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"Honoured in Poland as a national hero. Now there is a surprise !!"
Is that for his sterling work as emigration minister for Polish people wishing to relocate to the UK 1997-2007? |
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"Honoured in Poland as a national hero. Now there is a surprise !!
Is that for his sterling work as emigration minister for Polish people wishing to relocate to the UK 1997-2007?"
Well here's a clue. Apparently polish is now the most spoken language in the UK after, er what's it called, oh yes English !! |
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"Honoured in Poland as a national hero. Now there is a surprise !!
Is that for his sterling work as emigration minister for Polish people wishing to relocate to the UK 1997-2007?
Well here's a clue. Apparently polish is now the most spoken language in the UK after, er what's it called, oh yes English !!"
I read that today also. All thanks to Mr Blair and his former bunch of inept tossers. |
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"Honoured in Poland as a national hero. Now there is a surprise !!
Is that for his sterling work as emigration minister for Polish people wishing to relocate to the UK 1997-2007?
Well here's a clue. Apparently polish is now the most spoken language in the UK after, er what's it called, oh yes English !!
I read that today also. All thanks to Mr Blair and his former bunch of inept tossers."
What paper was it in? |
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"When he first came to power i even believed he might make a difference. I wasn't wrong there, but the difference was never in the way I could possibly imagined !!"
Ditto. I voted for the twat too. He masked his true intentions very well indeed until he got to No.10 and then proceeded to open the floodgates to three million new Labour voters and then changed constituency boundaries that give Labour an 8% edge in high concentration constituencies (and this govts' attempt to redress that has been blocked - by Labour, even though under the proposed boundary changes Labour would still have a 3% edge in high concentration seats.) |
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"When he first came to power i even believed he might make a difference. I wasn't wrong there, but the difference was never in the way I could possibly imagined !!
Ditto. I voted for the twat too. He masked his true intentions very well indeed until he got to No.10 and then proceeded to open the floodgates to three million new Labour voters and then changed constituency boundaries that give Labour an 8% edge in high concentration constituencies (and this govts' attempt to redress that has been blocked - by Labour, even though under the proposed boundary changes Labour would still have a 3% edge in high concentration seats.)"
So basically your to blame…   |
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"Honoured in Poland as a national hero. Now there is a surprise !!
Is that for his sterling work as emigration minister for Polish people wishing to relocate to the UK 1997-2007?"
Fucking hell! I was joking when I said is that for allowing thousands of Poles to come here, but that is the REAL reason why he's been given the award!  |
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"When he first came to power i even believed he might make a difference. I wasn't wrong there, but the difference was never in the way I could possibly imagined !!
Ditto. I voted for the twat too. He masked his true intentions very well indeed until he got to No.10 and then proceeded to open the floodgates to three million new Labour voters and then changed constituency boundaries that give Labour an 8% edge in high concentration constituencies (and this govts' attempt to redress that has been blocked - by Labour, even though under the proposed boundary changes Labour would still have a 3% edge in high concentration seats.)
So basically your to blame… "
Sorry. I promise on the graves of my forebears that I will NEVER make the mistake of voting for Labour ever again. You may violently scrape my testicles over a cheese grater and then soak them in vinegar if I break this pledge. |
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From the moment I first saw him I thought he is not a man to trust, that inane shifty grin was and is far to quick to flash up. I am sorry to say I was right. The man and all those involved in the decision to take part in the illegal invasion of Iraq should be tried as war criminals. |
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"When he first came to power i even believed he might make a difference. I wasn't wrong there, but the difference was never in the way I could possibly imagined !!"
He introduced us to Cherie? Was bessy mates George W Got Professor Cox to N04 in the charts with things can only get better............so many pluses!!
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"Relative peace in Northern Ireland must go down as one of his finer moments."
I hate to disillusion you but it was the Tories that started that ball rolling... Labour were just fortunate enough to keep it going after the election. |
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"Relative peace in Northern Ireland must go down as one of his finer moments.
I hate to disillusion you but it was the Tories that started that ball rolling... Labour were just fortunate enough to keep it going after the election. "
Dillusion me!!! WTF Not like a tory to take credit for something they never did. You think Cameron/Clegg are good for Britain |
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It's a shame the headline doesn't read "Polish now spoken by more English people than ever" but there we go. Personally I think we should all start learning Mandarin for when we need to start talking to our bosses.
I don't like TB, think he was a terrible PM. He could have come in and stopped PFI in it's tracks and a host of other things but instead chose to blur the lines between labour and tory even more.
I don't think his immigration policy is worth getting upset about though. Aside from when policing, all the immigrants I've met have been great hardworking people. And even when policing, I saw a damn sight more purebred English customers than foreign ones. |
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"and the sickening thing is how he now is making huge sums of money
It would seem his ability for self advancement is unparallelled. I'm not that keen on him you know lol !!"
And all whilst on his holibobs on Necker Island with Branson. Champagne Socialist springs to mind.
Did you know that his middle east company is so secretive that it has never filed accounts in the UK yet MILLIONS is channelled through it. It has a London address as it registered address but nobody works there and no paperwork is received by HMRC from it, or sent to it. |
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"Relative peace in Northern Ireland must go down as one of his finer moments.
I hate to disillusion you but it was the Tories that started that ball rolling... Labour were just fortunate enough to keep it going after the election. Dillusion me!!! WTF Not like a tory to take credit for something they never did. You think Cameron/Clegg are good for Britain"
Now there you making assumptions... I am not a Tory supporter and though Liberal minded I find the LibDems a little woolly in their thinking. After 30 years or so of taking a keen interest in politics both local and national I have learnt its all a game of smoke and mirrors. The polite way of calling them all liars! Every single man jack of them (including the women) forget who they are actually working for the minuet they take up office. I'm sick of them being the parties representative in the constituency rather than the constituency representative in Parliament. |
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"This is not an anti polish thread. It's about that scheming, lying, two faced, former prime minister of ours who thankfully isn't any longer. And don't start me on his sidekick Brown. !!"
And DC is any better?????  |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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Did you know that his middle east company is so secretive that it has never filed accounts in the UK yet MILLIONS is channelled through it. It has a London address as it registered address but nobody works there and no paperwork is received by HMRC from it, or sent to it."
Perhaps he 'fully expects his accountant to minimise his tax bill as much as he legally can.'
If that sounds familiar, it should |
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Did you know that his middle east company is so secretive that it has never filed accounts in the UK yet MILLIONS is channelled through it. It has a London address as it registered address but nobody works there and no paperwork is received by HMRC from it, or sent to it.
Perhaps he 'fully expects his accountant to minimise his tax bill as much as he legally can.'
If that sounds familiar, it should "
I'm sure he does, which I don't have a problem with as it's all legal like, I just wish he'd fess up to be a dirty stinking capitalist like me instead of still trying to claim he's a fookin socialist.
Plus some submitted accounts like the rest of us business owners would be nice. |
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"This is not an anti polish thread. It's about that scheming, lying, two faced, former prime minister of ours who thankfully isn't any longer. And don't start me on his sidekick Brown. !!"
tbh that could be any of dozens of them, they all have their foibles, fuck ups and faux pa's..
and it will ever be the same..
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"This is not an anti polish thread. It's about that scheming, lying, two faced, former prime minister of ours who thankfully isn't any longer. And don't start me on his sidekick Brown. !!
And DC is any better????? "
I don't think DC is as devious as Blair answer his lying Scottish Mafia |
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I never voted for Tony Blair or Gordon Brown so I feel fully vindicated in expressing my disappointment at their governance….
However I did reluctantly vote for DC’s and his party…. But purely out of a frustration born from a lack of a better option which truly represented my views…
My initial reservations about DC seen upheld… so I’m certainly not a fan of his… However I fail to see any redeeming qualities in Miliband and Balls……
But I have to say, when DC is the better option from the present crop of political elite, we are scrapping at the very bottom of a political barrel which is in desperate need of an infusion of grounded individuals…..
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Ditto. I voted for the twat too."
Is it confession time?
Ok
*hangs head*
I voted for labour once too.
Ken Livingstone in the London mayoral elections. I really thought he'd changed 
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"Honoured in Poland as a national hero. Now there is a surprise !!
Is that for his sterling work as emigration minister for Polish people wishing to relocate to the UK 1997-2007?
Well here's a clue. Apparently polish is now the most spoken language in the UK after, er what's it called, oh yes English !!
I read that today also. All thanks to Mr Blair and his former bunch of inept tossers."
My there are some pretty ignorant people about!
The simple facts behind this are that after WW2:
Post-war Polish migration to the UK Polish Diaspora around the World comes to roughly 15 - 20 million people, making it one of the largest in the World. There are various reasons for this: from border shifts, through forced resettlement, to political or economic emigration. The history of Polish migration to the UK has a long standing tradition, reaching as far back as the Middle Ages. However little is known of this, not only amongst British society, but also among the Poles. The history of Polish migration, from the 20th century in particular, needs to be retold. It has been passed over in silence, due to political reasons associated with the communist regime, and the Cold War. Our aim is to retrieve the knowledge about this heritage and to present it to the general public. The project presents the new Polish community within the UK and places it in the context of existing Polish Diaspora, who arrived here after the Second World War and during the communism regime. Even though these two generations of Poles come from the same country, their different histories and cultural backgrounds has caused some notable tensions between them. Our project aims to bring different generations of Poles in the UK together.
Now get over it and be glad it didn't happen to you! |
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"When he first came to power i even believed he might make a difference. I wasn't wrong there, but the difference was never in the way I could possibly imagined !!
Ditto. I voted for the twat too. He masked his true intentions very well indeed until he got to No.10 and then proceeded to open the floodgates to three million new Labour voters and then changed constituency boundaries that give Labour an 8% edge in high concentration constituencies (and this govts' attempt to redress that has been blocked - by Labour, even though under the proposed boundary changes Labour would still have a 3% edge in high concentration seats.)"
Have you any idea how often boundaries have changed?
Try looking up your family tree and you may well learn a few things... |
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"Honoured in Poland as a national hero. Now there is a surprise !!
Is that for his sterling work as emigration minister for Polish people wishing to relocate to the UK 1997-2007?
Well here's a clue. Apparently polish is now the most spoken language in the UK after, er what's it called, oh yes English !!
I read that today also. All thanks to Mr Blair and his former bunch of inept tossers.
My there are some pretty ignorant people about!
The simple facts behind this are that after WW2:
Post-war Polish migration to the UK Polish Diaspora around the World comes to roughly 15 - 20 million people, making it one of the largest in the World. There are various reasons for this: from border shifts, through forced resettlement, to political or economic emigration. The history of Polish migration to the UK has a long standing tradition, reaching as far back as the Middle Ages. However little is known of this, not only amongst British society, but also among the Poles. The history of Polish migration, from the 20th century in particular, needs to be retold. It has been passed over in silence, due to political reasons associated with the communist regime, and the Cold War. Our aim is to retrieve the knowledge about this heritage and to present it to the general public. The project presents the new Polish community within the UK and places it in the context of existing Polish Diaspora, who arrived here after the Second World War and during the communism regime. Even though these two generations of Poles come from the same country, their different histories and cultural backgrounds has caused some notable tensions between them. Our project aims to bring different generations of Poles in the UK together.
Now get over it and be glad it didn't happen to you!"
Seems familiar,,, Is that copied from "Exilesforfreedom" |
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Nearly 800,000 Brits now live in Spain...300,000 Brits now live in France...180,000 Brits now live in Portugal...120,000 Brits now live in Italy....
You reckon they all speak the language of the country they are now relocated to?
It's the 21st century, we live in the European Community, I think some people on here need to wise up to the fact that many Europeans, including nearly 1.8 Million Brits, have chosen to try moving around the European Community to try a different lifestyle.
Instead of acting like 'Little Englanders' they have exercised their right to roam..... |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Nearly 800,000 Brits now live in Spain...300,000 Brits now live in France...180,000 Brits now live in Portugal...120,000 Brits now live in Italy....
You reckon they all speak the language of the country they are now relocated to?
It's the 21st century, we live in the European Community, I think some people on here need to wise up to the fact that many Europeans, including nearly 1.8 Million Brits, have chosen to try moving around the European Community to try a different lifestyle.
Instead of acting like 'Little Englanders' they have exercised their right to roam....."
C'mon Jane, we know that Brits don't need to speak the local lingo when they move around. The whole world is expected to speak English for our convenience.
I spoke at a conference in Berlin a couple of years ago to an audience from 14 European countries. When it came to the workshop sessions I found myself being amazed that the written English of all of the participants was much better than I would see on here. No confusion about know/no or there/their/they're, for instance. |
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"Nearly 800,000 Brits now live in Spain...300,000 Brits now live in France...180,000 Brits now live in Portugal...120,000 Brits now live in Italy....
You reckon they all speak the language of the country they are now relocated to?
It's the 21st century, we live in the European Community, I think some people on here need to wise up to the fact that many Europeans, including nearly 1.8 Million Brits, have chosen to try moving around the European Community to try a different lifestyle.
Instead of acting like 'Little Englanders' they have exercised their right to roam.....
C'mon Jane, we know that Brits don't need to speak the local lingo when they move around. The whole world is expected to speak English for our convenience.
I spoke at a conference in Berlin a couple of years ago to an audience from 14 European countries. When it came to the workshop sessions I found myself being amazed that the written English of all of the participants was much better than I would see on here. No confusion about know/no or there/their/they're, for instance."
or your/you're |
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Best thing blair did was to bring in minimum wage which helped millions tories voted against which says a lot.
I am big tony blair fan yes the iraq fuk up was disgusting but overall was happy with him. |
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"I never voted for Tony Blair or Gordon Brown so I feel fully vindicated in expressing my disappointment at their governance….
However I did reluctantly vote for DC’s and his party…. But purely out of a frustration born from a lack of a better option which truly represented my views…
My initial reservations about DC seen upheld… so I’m certainly not a fan of his… However I fail to see any redeeming qualities in Miliband and Balls……
But I have to say, when DC is the better option from the present crop of political elite, we are scrapping at the very bottom of a political barrel which is in desperate need of an infusion of grounded individuals…..
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you fell hook line and sinker for the Daily mail drivel! I use them/their name as a generalization for the 'press'.
libor mean nothing to you?
Mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac may have lost up to $3 billion from the manipulation by several big banks of the global interest rate known as Libor, according to an internal government memo.
That was just one more sign Wednesday of the growing rate-fixing scandal, as federal prosecutors and regulators also announced that Swiss banking giant UBS had agreed to pay $1.5 billion in fines for manipulating the rate. U.S. authorities also filed criminal charges against two UBS employees, the first individuals targeted by the widening investigation.
The interest rate — the London Interbank Offered Rate, or Libor — is supposed to reflect the rate at which banks lend to one another and is used as a benchmark for other interest rates around the world. The Commodity Futures Trading Commission was the first to uncover evidence that something was amiss with the rates going as far back as 2005. |
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"Best thing blair did was to bring in minimum wage which helped millions tories voted against which says a lot.
I am big tony blair fan yes the iraq fuk up was disgusting but overall was happy with him."
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"I never voted for Tony Blair or Gordon Brown so I feel fully vindicated in expressing my disappointment at their governance….
However I did reluctantly vote for DC’s and his party…. But purely out of a frustration born from a lack of a better option which truly represented my views…
My initial reservations about DC seen upheld… so I’m certainly not a fan of his… However I fail to see any redeeming qualities in Miliband and Balls……
But I have to say, when DC is the better option from the present crop of political elite, we are scrapping at the very bottom of a political barrel which is in desperate need of an infusion of grounded individuals…..
you fell hook line and sinker for the Daily mail drivel! I use them/their name as a generalization for the 'press'.
libor mean nothing to you?
Mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac may have lost up to $3 billion from the manipulation by several big banks of the global interest rate known as Libor, according to an internal government memo.
That was just one more sign Wednesday of the growing rate-fixing scandal, as federal prosecutors and regulators also announced that Swiss banking giant UBS had agreed to pay $1.5 billion in fines for manipulating the rate. U.S. authorities also filed criminal charges against two UBS employees, the first individuals targeted by the widening investigation.
The interest rate — the London Interbank Offered Rate, or Libor — is supposed to reflect the rate at which banks lend to one another and is used as a benchmark for other interest rates around the world. The Commodity Futures Trading Commission was the first to uncover evidence that something was amiss with the rates going as far back as 2005. "
Is that all your own work or is it another piece plucked from the internet? |
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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago
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"Best thing blair did was to bring in minimum wage which helped millions tories voted against which says a lot.
I am big tony blair fan yes the iraq fuk up was disgusting but overall was happy with him."
so, his fuk up in Iraq was his only ooopsy? And you believe his mimimum wage intro far outweighs that, right?  |
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"When he first came to power i even believed he might make a difference. I wasn't wrong there, but the difference was never in the way I could possibly imagined !!
Ditto. I voted for the twat too. He masked his true intentions very well indeed until he got to No.10 and then proceeded to open the floodgates to three million new Labour voters and then changed constituency boundaries that give Labour an 8% edge in high concentration constituencies (and this govts' attempt to redress that has been blocked - by Labour, even though under the proposed boundary changes Labour would still have a 3% edge in high concentration seats.)
So basically your to blame…
Sorry. I promise on the graves of my forebears that I will NEVER make the mistake of voting for Labour ever again. You may violently scrape my testicles over a cheese grater and then soak them in vinegar if I break this pledge."
Oh My God! Is this all in the name of Immigration? What about other Labour party achievements? Immigrants come and go, okay. I keep saying this, right. More than 80% of all these so-called immigrant are not even entitled to benefit. And majority dont even claim tax back because they have no clue how it works.
The fact is all these people running the country know damn too well that if not of immigration, the recession would have been more worse than it is at the moment and we should be thankful.
Im not supporting Labour because it opened door to immigration, i'm supporting them because records shows Labour have the best and knowlegeable politicians and the Tories would have to tighten their belt and posh attitude to reach the wider audience.
Geez...enough scapegoating please |
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"When he first came to power i even believed he might make a difference. I wasn't wrong there, but the difference was never in the way I could possibly imagined !!
Ditto. I voted for the twat too. He masked his true intentions very well indeed until he got to No.10 and then proceeded to open the floodgates to three million new Labour voters and then changed constituency boundaries that give Labour an 8% edge in high concentration constituencies (and this govts' attempt to redress that has been blocked - by Labour, even though under the proposed boundary changes Labour would still have a 3% edge in high concentration seats.)
Have you any idea how often boundaries have changed?
Try looking up your family tree and you may well learn a few things..."
I have my family tree going back to the 1600s on both sides thank you very much. However, 500 years ago the population of the UK significantly less than it is today, so boundaries have obviously changed, which is all rather irrelevant when you consider that the common man couldn't actually vote all those years ago. Women couldn't vote until the early 20th century.
So here we are with c.40m voters today and constituency boundaries that favour one political party over another. How is that democratic?
ps.. what was that you said about being ignorant earlier?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"you fell hook line and sinker for the Daily mail drivel! "
Every time I read this well worn out mantra trotted out by people who need to insult first, debate second I tend to completely disregard the rest of the post. And then disregard the poster. |
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Were'nt the tories going to change the constituency boundaries to improve their own chances at the next election..?
there in lies the lesson, shit on your 'partners' in coalition over Lords reform and they will do you in return on boundary changes..
and they expect us to trust them... |
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"When he first came to power i even believed he might make a difference. I wasn't wrong there, but the difference was never in the way I could possibly imagined !!
Ditto. I voted for the twat too. He masked his true intentions very well indeed until he got to No.10 and then proceeded to open the floodgates to three million new Labour voters and then changed constituency boundaries that give Labour an 8% edge in high concentration constituencies (and this govts' attempt to redress that has been blocked - by Labour, even though under the proposed boundary changes Labour would still have a 3% edge in high concentration seats.)
So basically your to blame…
Sorry. I promise on the graves of my forebears that I will NEVER make the mistake of voting for Labour ever again. You may violently scrape my testicles over a cheese grater and then soak them in vinegar if I break this pledge.
Oh My God! Is this all in the name of Immigration? What about other Labour party achievements? Immigrants come and go, okay. I keep saying this, right. More than 80% of all these so-called immigrant are not even entitled to benefit. And majority dont even claim tax back because they have no clue how it works.
The fact is all these people running the country know damn too well that if not of immigration, the recession would have been more worse than it is at the moment and we should be thankful.
Im not supporting Labour because it opened door to immigration, i'm supporting them because records shows Labour have the best and knowlegeable politicians and the Tories would have to tighten their belt and posh attitude to reach the wider audience.
Geez...enough scapegoating please "
What a narrow minded crock of crap that is. Immigration is measured in net increases/decreases and under Labour it increased exponentially year after year under Blair's open door policy. Even Miliband is on record this week as saying that policy was WRONG.
Regardless of what Labour did or didn't do in govt their reckless promotion of the UK as a safe harbour for any ship from any storm was foolish and divisive. And it will take a generation to forgive them for it. I've no doubt that Labour will win power again one day but it won't be one day soon, and I hope beyond hope that I'll be secure enough to be able to ride out the inevitable firestorm heading our way if the do get their stupid paws on the helm of the country again. It will probably be a Pole in charge of Labour by then anyway. |
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"Were'nt the tories going to change the constituency boundaries to improve their own chances at the next election..?
there in lies the lesson, shit on your 'partners' in coalition over Lords reform and they will do you in return on boundary changes..
and they expect us to trust them... "
No, the proposed changes were to reduce the number of MPs from 650 to 600 (which you'd think 99% of the populace would support considering their widespread belief that they're all corrupt anyway) and to redraw the constituency boundaries that would reduce the current 8% that Labour have before a vote is even cast.
Think about that for a second.
8% before anyone casts a vote is what the Tories are behind on election night.
The proposed changed would still give Labour a 3% lead by default but they blocked it in order to keep their undemocratic 8% lead. |
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" It will probably be a Pole in charge of Labour by then anyway.
Will Ed still be in charge or will be it David? Their grandfather was Polish wasn't he?"
It'll probably be Miliband the Younger, or Miliband the Embryo, or Miliband the Glint in the Milkman's Eye. |
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I’m not against googling factual quotes or statistical analysis …
But I sometimes wonder if there’s any value gained when evocatively provided forum posts which are obviously plagiarised and used hoping to force home a salient point …
An earlier plagiarised piece about Polish immigration seemed to contain a number of anecdotal references and didn’t really support either side of the debate and therefore added nothing of value other than being an obvious attempt to belittle another persons point of view by simply copying a poorly matched document...
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"I’m not against googling factual quotes or statistical analysis …
But I sometimes wonder if there’s any value gained when evocatively provided forum posts which are obviously plagiarised and used hoping to force home a salient point …
An earlier plagiarised piece about Polish immigration seemed to contain a number of anecdotal references and didn’t really support either side of the debate and therefore added nothing of value other than being an obvious attempt to belittle another persons point of view by simply copying a poorly matched document...
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You got that far into it to actually comprehend what it was saying? I gave up after the first sentence and went to look at some boobies. |
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"Were'nt the tories going to change the constituency boundaries to improve their own chances at the next election..?
there in lies the lesson, shit on your 'partners' in coalition over Lords reform and they will do you in return on boundary changes..
and they expect us to trust them...
No, the proposed changes were to reduce the number of MPs from 650 to 600 (which you'd think 99% of the populace would support considering their widespread belief that they're all corrupt anyway) and to redraw the constituency boundaries that would reduce the current 8% that Labour have before a vote is even cast.
Think about that for a second.
8% before anyone casts a vote is what the Tories are behind on election night.
The proposed changed would still give Labour a 3% lead by default but they blocked it in order to keep their undemocratic 8% lead."
take the point about it not being an even playing field..
makes you wonder just how modern and forward thinking the tories are if they were not prepared to shift enough on Lords reform to garner some support from the Liberals..
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"I never voted for Tony Blair or Gordon Brown so I feel fully vindicated in expressing my disappointment at their governance….
However I did reluctantly vote for DC’s and his party…. But purely out of a frustration born from a lack of a better option which truly represented my views…
My initial reservations about DC seen upheld… so I’m certainly not a fan of his… However I fail to see any redeeming qualities in Miliband and Balls……
But I have to say, when DC is the better option from the present crop of political elite, we are scrapping at the very bottom of a political barrel which is in desperate need of an infusion of grounded individuals…..
you fell hook line and sinker for the Daily mail drivel! I use them/their name as a generalization for the 'press'.
libor mean nothing to you?
Mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac may have lost up to $3 billion from the manipulation by several big banks of the global interest rate known as Libor, according to an internal government memo.
That was just one more sign Wednesday of the growing rate-fixing scandal, as federal prosecutors and regulators also announced that Swiss banking giant UBS had agreed to pay $1.5 billion in fines for manipulating the rate. U.S. authorities also filed criminal charges against two UBS employees, the first individuals targeted by the widening investigation.
The interest rate — the London Interbank Offered Rate, or Libor — is supposed to reflect the rate at which banks lend to one another and is used as a benchmark for other interest rates around the world. The Commodity Futures Trading Commission was the first to uncover evidence that something was amiss with the rates going as far back as 2005.
Is that all your own work or is it another piece plucked from the internet?"
To deny the facts of what bankers did be they american,swiss or UK to the globe is like sticking your head in the sand and ignoring everything that's happened and blaming it on solely on labour.
Wouldn't have mattered who was leading! Cons just look after the rich! How wealthy is Osbourne?
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" It will probably be a Pole in charge of Labour by then anyway.
Will Ed still be in charge or will be it David? Their grandfather was Polish wasn't he?"
People move over time you see, we are all immigrants at the end of the day including the black slaves that were catapulted here. |
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"To deny the facts of what bankers did be they american,swiss or UK to the globe is like sticking your head in the sand and ignoring everything that's happened and blaming it on solely on labour.
Wouldn't have mattered who was leading! Cons just look after the rich! How wealthy is Osbourne?
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Now who's burying his head in the sand. Google how many current members of the shadow cabinet are from wealthy backgrounds.
I've said this so many times on here but it appears Labour supporters have a very selective memory: In the televised debates during Election 2010 Gordon Brown ADMITTED that he should have regulated the UK banks to minimise their exposure to American toxic debt but he failed to do so after pressure applied by the banking sector caused him to change tack. You cannot blame the banking crisis on the Conservatives as they weren't in power for 13 years. When Labour won in 97 the economy was in a very buoyant state. Blair had the opportunity to regulate the banks time and again and didn't. Brown had the same opportunity and also failed to act.
This long and bitter recession, although caused by the banking sector, could have been minimised, if not averted if the previous government had done their jobs properly. That is inescapable no matter how much Labour supporters wail "it wasn't us!". |
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"...including the black slaves that were catapulted here."
That has absolutely no bearing in the world today. You are harking back to a time in humanity's past that is probably best forgotten, but it will never be laid to rest if people keep dredging it up. How many times is someone expected to apologise for something their great great great grandfathers did in a time when it was completely normal to do it.
We've moved on since those dark days, maybe you should to. |
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Europeans have been moving around for centuries, particularly since 1945, it's nothing new, entry to and expansion of the EU has just served to increase the movement at a faster rate....
And it works both ways, with many Brits choosing to live all over Europe....and why not?
Viva La' difference!...or however the saying goes
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"I’m not against googling factual quotes or statistical analysis …
But I sometimes wonder if there’s any value gained when evocatively provided forum posts which are obviously plagiarised and used hoping to force home a salient point …
An earlier plagiarised piece about Polish immigration seemed to contain a number of anecdotal references and didn’t really support either side of the debate and therefore added nothing of value other than being an obvious attempt to belittle another persons point of view by simply copying a poorly matched document...
You got that far into it to actually comprehend what it was saying? I gave up after the first sentence and went to look at some boobies. "
Simple points but I'll explain:
Polish is second language, facts are polish people's have been in the UK in large numbers for generations.
Blair helped with immigration policy which saw a lager number enter than first realised when Poland entered EU.
That isn't the reason second language is polish.
See the historical information stretching back more than 60 years...
Or is that Blairs fault too.
County lines/boundaries and latterly postcode regions/areas have changed already. The latest divides towns. ie your town may have been more con than lab but now would swing, no pun.
Stoke on Trent is now a city and has a city council. When the Staffordshire hoard was found in Burton both Birmingham and Stoke didn't want to acknowledge it fell within the Staffordshire boundaries. Stoke doesn't like to acknowledge it still falls within Staffordshire.
It's all political bullshit!
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"Europeans have been moving around for centuries, particularly since 1945, it's nothing new, entry to and expansion of the EU has just served to increase the movement at a faster rate....
And it works both ways, with many Brits choosing to live all over Europe....and why not?
Viva La' difference!...or however the saying goes
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"...including the black slaves that were catapulted here.
That has absolutely no bearing in the world today. You are harking back to a time in humanity's past that is probably best forgotten, but it will never be laid to rest if people keep dredging it up. How many times is someone expected to apologise for something their great great great grandfathers did in a time when it was completely normal to do it.
We've moved on since those dark days, maybe you should to."
Attitudes have moved on but not as much as is needed. All in the past is history, should we ignore it all? Learn from history and not repeat it. I am not asking anyone to apologise for the forebears but I ask them not to deny it, perpetuate in attitude and behaviour or deny that past. It may seem like dredging up to you but my grandmother was born into indentured slavery. |
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My Dutch,Spanish and French neighbours in Tarragona in Spain think it's hilarious the way some Brits rattle on...and were relieved to find that we were not like the stereotypical 'Little Englanders' that they encounter every summer.
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"...including the black slaves that were catapulted here.
That has absolutely no bearing in the world today. You are harking back to a time in humanity's past that is probably best forgotten, but it will never be laid to rest if people keep dredging it up. How many times is someone expected to apologise for something their great great great grandfathers did in a time when it was completely normal to do it.
We've moved on since those dark days, maybe you should to."
It has bearing for those with inherited wealth that descends from having exploited others - though that doesn't seem to get discussed much.
That said, to some extent I agree in so far as cannot stand people who use the past to disguise the present. |
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"When he first came to power i even believed he might make a difference. I wasn't wrong there, but the difference was never in the way I could possibly imagined !!
Ditto. I voted for the twat too. He masked his true intentions very well indeed until he got to No.10 and then proceeded to open the floodgates to three million new Labour voters and then changed constituency boundaries that give Labour an 8% edge in high concentration constituencies (and this govts' attempt to redress that has been blocked - by Labour, even though under the proposed boundary changes Labour would still have a 3% edge in high concentration seats.)
So basically your to blame…
Sorry. I promise on the graves of my forebears that I will NEVER make the mistake of voting for Labour ever again. You may violently scrape my testicles over a cheese grater and then soak them in vinegar if I break this pledge.
Oh My God! Is this all in the name of Immigration? What about other Labour party achievements? Immigrants come and go, okay. I keep saying this, right. More than 80% of all these so-called immigrant are not even entitled to benefit. And majority dont even claim tax back because they have no clue how it works.
The fact is all these people running the country know damn too well that if not of immigration, the recession would have been more worse than it is at the moment and we should be thankful.
Im not supporting Labour because it opened door to immigration, i'm supporting them because records shows Labour have the best and knowlegeable politicians and the Tories would have to tighten their belt and posh attitude to reach the wider audience.
Geez...enough scapegoating please
What a narrow minded crock of crap that is. Immigration is measured in net increases/decreases and under Labour it increased exponentially year after year under Blair's open door policy. Even Miliband is on record this week as saying that policy was WRONG.
Regardless of what Labour did or didn't do in govt their reckless promotion of the UK as a safe harbour for any ship from any storm was foolish and divisive. And it will take a generation to forgive them for it. I've no doubt that Labour will win power again one day but it won't be one day soon, and I hope beyond hope that I'll be secure enough to be able to ride out the inevitable firestorm heading our way if the do get their stupid paws on the helm of the country again. It will probably be a Pole in charge of Labour by then anyway."
Yeah i agree immigration increased under Labour. But to be fair, was it bad or good at the time of increase???
Was it not when recession hit early 2008 that people started banging on about 'no more use of immigrants' and immigrant to go back to their country??? Thats ungrateful in my opinion!
Yeah Milliband accepted it was wrong because people wont stop banging on about it even when it was good at the time. Blair did what he felt was beneficial for the country, and when recession hit, we blame him for everything. Even for our own personal inadequacies, God have mercy!
Okay, i would advise you research more on complex issues such as immigration before coming online banging on your own personal sentiments.
UKBA systematically grant indefinite leave to those migrants that travelled past 10 safe countries heading for Britain. Clearly, travelling past all those countries shows they are economic shopper and not genuine asylum seekers, yet several hundred of thousands from asia been granted a stay through this obvious loophole. Yet Labour is been blamed for UKBA inside policy.
Even under your so-called Tories, this Policy is still ongoing and systematically increasing migration. What guts me most is Africans always take the crap for Britain problem.
Everyone kept banging on about immigration as if the government could really be bothered. This shows immigration is not a problem in this country. Its simply a propaganda to distract the people from ******(i would classified that one)
At the time they announced policy to decrease migration, and the policy focused on points based system to decrease non-european migrant. But surprisingly, they opened doors to increase migration from European nations. Slovakia, Poland and many more to come sooner or later.
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An MP, a Prime Minister also a solicitor(lawyer) it speaks for itself where his loyalty lies, maybe got a £1.00 of each one that came here.
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"To deny the facts of what bankers did be they american,swiss or UK to the globe is like sticking your head in the sand and ignoring everything that's happened and blaming it on solely on labour.
Wouldn't have mattered who was leading! Cons just look after the rich! How wealthy is Osbourne?
Now who's burying his head in the sand. Google how many current members of the shadow cabinet are from wealthy backgrounds.
I've said this so many times on here but it appears Labour supporters have a very selective memory: In the televised debates during Election 2010 Gordon Brown ADMITTED that he should have regulated the UK banks to minimise their exposure to American toxic debt but he failed to do so after pressure applied by the banking sector caused him to change tack. You cannot blame the banking crisis on the Conservatives as they weren't in power for 13 years. When Labour won in 97 the economy was in a very buoyant state. Blair had the opportunity to regulate the banks time and again and didn't. Brown had the same opportunity and also failed to act.
This long and bitter recession, although caused by the banking sector, could have been minimised, if not averted if the previous government had done their jobs properly. That is inescapable no matter how much Labour supporters wail "it wasn't us!"."
So you don't remember mortgage interest rates @16% inflation @15%? Selective memory? Thatcher years?
Poll tax riots? Nationalisations?
No?
Ah we never had it so good...the roaring 80's not forgetting the Falklands...
70's 3 day weeks! Leccy off @10, refuse not being collected. No minimum wage....
The only good thing that came out of the 70's and 80's was the long hot summer of 76! Oh and denim aftershave!
How we forget!
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People need to open their minds to the 21st Century and what it can offer"
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"...including the black slaves that were catapulted here.
That has absolutely no bearing in the world today. You are harking back to a time in humanity's past that is probably best forgotten, but it will never be laid to rest if people keep dredging it up. How many times is someone expected to apologise for something their great great great grandfathers did in a time when it was completely normal to do it.
We've moved on since those dark days, maybe you should to."
Stop picking words out of context. Its not healthy for an honest debate, i must tell |
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"An MP, a Prime Minister also a solicitor(lawyer) it speaks for itself where his loyalty lies, maybe got a £1.00 of each one that came here.
A very good indication of where this country is heading."
Good point....it indicates where the country is heading alright, ridiculous claims made on internet sites by people who wouldn't have the balls to put it in writing complete with their home address...in fear of ending up in the courts and being sued for making such stupid claims.
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"To deny the facts of what bankers did be they american,swiss or UK to the globe is like sticking your head in the sand and ignoring everything that's happened and blaming it on solely on labour.
Wouldn't have mattered who was leading! Cons just look after the rich! How wealthy is Osbourne?
Now who's burying his head in the sand. Google how many current members of the shadow cabinet are from wealthy backgrounds.
I've said this so many times on here but it appears Labour supporters have a very selective memory: In the televised debates during Election 2010 Gordon Brown ADMITTED that he should have regulated the UK banks to minimise their exposure to American toxic debt but he failed to do so after pressure applied by the banking sector caused him to change tack. You cannot blame the banking crisis on the Conservatives as they weren't in power for 13 years. When Labour won in 97 the economy was in a very buoyant state. Blair had the opportunity to regulate the banks time and again and didn't. Brown had the same opportunity and also failed to act.
This long and bitter recession, although caused by the banking sector, could have been minimised, if not averted if the previous government had done their jobs properly. That is inescapable no matter how much Labour supporters wail "it wasn't us!".
So you don't remember mortgage interest rates @16% inflation @15%? Selective memory? Thatcher years?
Poll tax riots? Nationalisations?
No?
Ah we never had it so good...the roaring 80's not forgetting the Falklands...
70's 3 day weeks! Leccy off @10, refuse not being collected. No minimum wage....
The only good thing that came out of the 70's and 80's was the long hot summer of 76! Oh and denim aftershave!
How we forget!
Cameron now getting us involved in Marli ?"
And Labour reversed all those bad Tory policies did they? We're still paying some form of poll tax (the council tax by another name), so if it was so bad why didn't Labour scrap it in their 13 years in power?
You can't keep harking back to the Thatcher era when the subsequent Blair era had a golden opportunity to change what she did and failed to do it (and yes, I think the poll tax was an obscenely bad idea, but then so is it's replacement) |
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"Yes the poll tax was hated and quite a few people were hauled in front of the 'beaks' for refusing to pay it.
I know. I was one of them.
I know - I remember you told us years ago. "
You've got a good memory. I'd forgotten I went to court over it until it was mentioned on here just now. |
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"tony blair = war criminal"
Clearly no one that really matters...ie the UN, or the International War Crimes Tribunial group thinks so...so knock yourself out with your thoughts on the matter.
They carry little weight |
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"Honoured in Poland as a national hero. Now there is a surprise !!
Is that for his sterling work as emigration minister for Polish people wishing to relocate to the UK 1997-2007?"
Come on wishy,they are Europeans, besides we didn't mind the 195,000 who came over in WW2 to help us.Including the 19000 aircrew many of which helped us win the Battle of Britain. |
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"tony blair = war criminal
Clearly no one that really matters...ie the UN, or the International War Crimes Tribunial group thinks so...so knock yourself out with your thoughts on the matter.
They carry little weight"
they also don't seem to have bothered much about Robert Mugabe or Bashar al-Assad, that doesnt mean to say these men dont have the blood of numerous innocent people on their hands. The lack of action by the UN and International War Crimes Tribunal does not automatically mean a leader did not commit and atrocities.
also why do you need to be so condescending because we disagree on something? manners cost nothing |
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A very good indication of where this country is heading.
Good point....it indicates where the country is heading alright, ridiculous claims made on internet sites by people who wouldn't have the balls to put it in writing complete with their home address...in fear of ending up in the courts and being sued for making such stupid claims.
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"tony blair = war criminal
Clearly no one that really matters...ie the UN, or the International War Crimes Tribunial group thinks so...so knock yourself out with your thoughts on the matter.
They carry little weight
they also don't seem to have bothered much about Robert Mugabe or Bashar al-Assad, that doesnt mean to say these men dont have the blood of numerous innocent people on their hands. The lack of action by the UN and International War Crimes Tribunal does not automatically mean a leader did not commit and atrocities.
also why do you need to be so condescending because we disagree on something? manners cost nothing"
i never voted for blair and think the war was not 'legal' in the true sense of the word, however i believe that whomever was the PM at the time would have taken the same course of action to go with the USA..
comparing him however to mugabe and assad who are butchers particularly the latter does not add to a debate on him..
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"Honoured in Poland as a national hero. Now there is a surprise !!
Is that for his sterling work as emigration minister for Polish people wishing to relocate to the UK 1997-2007?
Come on wishy,they are Europeans, besides we didn't mind the 195,000 who came over in WW2 to help us.Including the 19000 aircrew many of which helped us win the Battle of Britain. "
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I take on board your comment regarding comparing blair to them and yes they are not as bad, I was more trying to make a point that someone not having been convicted of a war crime does not mean they arnt 1.
suppose the true war criminal is bush? |
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"I take on board your comment regarding comparing blair to them and yes they are not as bad, I was more trying to make a point that someone not having been convicted of a war crime does not mean they arnt 1.
suppose the true war criminal is bush? "
either him or the rest of the band who decided to do it 'because they could'..
just cant see dubya ending up in the Hague somehow though.. |
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"tony blair = war criminal
Clearly no one that really matters...ie the UN, or the International War Crimes Tribunial group thinks so...so knock yourself out with your thoughts on the matter.
They carry little weight
they also don't seem to have bothered much about Robert Mugabe or Bashar al-Assad, that doesnt mean to say these men dont have the blood of numerous innocent people on their hands. The lack of action by the UN and International War Crimes Tribunal does not automatically mean a leader did not commit and atrocities.
also why do you need to be so condescending because we disagree on something? manners cost nothing"
Comparing Blair to a political leader that starves his own countymen and women (and children) to death, dissapears his own countrymen, women and children to unknown fates, openly bombs his own people.....is frankly ridiculous.
The UK's leaders have over the years had to make these difficult decisions, often based only on the evidence and conjecture of so called 'Military and Intelligence Experts'....that's the job of a Prime Minister, to act on these 'Facts'. |
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"To deny the facts of what bankers did be they american,swiss or UK to the globe is like sticking your head in the sand and ignoring everything that's happened and blaming it on solely on labour.
Wouldn't have mattered who was leading! Cons just look after the rich! How wealthy is Osbourne?
Now who's burying his head in the sand. Google how many current members of the shadow cabinet are from wealthy backgrounds.
I've said this so many times on here but it appears Labour supporters have a very selective memory: In the televised debates during Election 2010 Gordon Brown ADMITTED that he should have regulated the UK banks to minimise their exposure to American toxic debt but he failed to do so after pressure applied by the banking sector caused him to change tack. You cannot blame the banking crisis on the Conservatives as they weren't in power for 13 years. When Labour won in 97 the economy was in a very buoyant state. Blair had the opportunity to regulate the banks time and again and didn't. Brown had the same opportunity and also failed to act.
This long and bitter recession, although caused by the banking sector, could have been minimised, if not averted if the previous government had done their jobs properly. That is inescapable no matter how much Labour supporters wail "it wasn't us!"."
all countries had the option to regulate their banks,how many countries actually opted to regulate their banks??.
gordon brown first spoke of the need for bank regulation,and control,in 1997,
no one listened.
tony blair was an electable labour leader,maybe not scrupulously moral,show me a present day party leader who is.
people seem to forget,the recession was worldwide,so it would be extremely foolish to lay the blame,at the last labour governments door.in fact,the last labour government,left this country in a healthier economic position,than almost all other developed countries worldwide.
tony blair,may not have been perfect,and no doubt made many mistakes,but he was good for this country.as history will eventually show.
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