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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
What? Surely we should hire the one who is the highest qualified and not because of their gender?
What is your view about it and do you also agree with that gender shouldnt come into the question of who gets the job, but rather their experience and qualifications? 
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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On the whole gender shouldn’t come into it.
However, and I say this as a feminist, there are some jobs better suited to each gender. Having worked in care for example, I found it much safer to work alongside a man because they had the strength needed in some situations.
Having also work in predominantly male dominated work places such as building sites, women are becoming more prevalent and usually just as capable so my views are changing.
That said, I am not averse to fluttering my eyelashes at the builder and getting him to carry my ladders on occasion 
However, I would much rather have my smear test conducted by a female nurse than a male one! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Most qualified for the position regardless of gender.
Unless the role requires a specific gender penis model for example
Mrs "
I thik I may have missed the advert for that position. Do you know if the role is still available?
(* asking for a friend) |
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"Most qualified for the position regardless of gender.
Unless the role requires a specific gender penis model for example
Mrs "
Where does one apply for the job of penis model?
Asking for a friend... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Most qualified for the position regardless of gender.
Unless the role requires a specific gender penis model for example
Mrs
Where does one apply for the job of penis model?
Asking for a friend..."
Hey, my friend asked first! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Gender shouldn't come into for most jobs. It still upsets me that when I left a job once I hired a male replacement and they instantly paid him more than I was on.
There are some cases where it is important to be able to specify. Such as care. While both men and women can do the job brilliant, people being cared for should still be able to have their wishes accommodated where possible |
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By *adyJayneWoman
over a year ago
Burnleyish (She/They) |
While it *should* be the most qualified, human nature often overrides that without us realising (hello uncónscióus bias).
Now you mention uncónscióus bias and people get uncomfortable, but actually it's nothing to get worked up about, it's just the human brain doing what it does...
Our brains exist to spot and recognise patterns. When it spots patterns it's familiar with it feels more comfortable...
We like familiarity and having things in common.
So if a 25 year old, white woman was interviewing someone for a position, she would feel much more comfortable, like she had more in common with someone her own age, with her background... If her candidates are a 26 year old white woman Vs a 45 year old white man, her brain is going to feel more at ease, more comfortable with her peer (than someone technically old enough to be her father)
Now if they are both equally qualified, have experience etc, the pattern recognition tells her 'pick the woman' and if you asked the interviewer she would likely say 'she felt like the best fit'.
So, uncónscióus bias is a thing, and let's say 70% of middle management is middle aged, middle class, white men... (Or where I work more like 99%), those men are going to feel like another middle aged, middle class white men are going to be the better 'fit'.
Sure they could try positive discrimination *shudders* but for many reasons that often fails... Often not because the person isn't perfectly capable of doing the job, but because they don't 'fit'... If they haven't addressed their uncónscióus bias (and learned how to work in a way that isn't gender stereotyping or discriminating...) it's always going to fail...
They aren't up for a few rounds of golf after work, because they have to sort the kids... They don't want to do cigars and Whisky (and let's face it they wouldn't be invited)... So they miss out on conversations or team building...
Yeah that was heavy for first thing in the morning. I'll head back to reading war and peace or summat now...
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Plenty of times jobs should go to women in my opinion.
For example for organisations that work with women, vulnerable women and on women’s issues. Anything to do with gender based violence or working with women disclosing trauma. |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"On the whole gender shouldn’t come into it.
However, and I say this as a feminist, there are some jobs better suited to each gender. Having worked in care for example, I found it much safer to work alongside a man because they had the strength needed in some situations.
Having also work in predominantly male dominated work places such as building sites, women are becoming more prevalent and usually just as capable so my views are changing.
That said, I am not averse to fluttering my eyelashes at the builder and getting him to carry my ladders on occasion
However, I would much rather have my smear test conducted by a female nurse than a male one! "
You are right there, it shouldnt come into it and I have few examples on few jobs where we dont see so many women on. I wonder how much say the employer have a say on it of who gets it? No doubt there are women who is interested in those jobs as well |
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By *host63Man
over a year ago
Bedfont Feltham |
"On the whole gender shouldn’t come into it.
However, and I say this as a feminist, there are some jobs better suited to each gender. Having worked in care for example, I found it much safer to work alongside a man because they had the strength needed in some situations.
Having also work in predominantly male dominated work places such as building sites, women are becoming more prevalent and usually just as capable so my views are changing.
That said, I am not averse to fluttering my eyelashes at the builder and getting him to carry my ladders on occasion
However, I would much rather have my smear test conducted by a female nurse than a male one! "
It should be based on the ability to do the job. I have yet however to see a female waste collector or sewer worker.
And in my job I have to take time out of my day to help women fo part of the job they havnt the physical strength to do.
So this foes irritate me a bit.
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"On the whole gender shouldn’t come into it.
However, and I say this as a feminist, there are some jobs better suited to each gender. Having worked in care for example, I found it much safer to work alongside a man because they had the strength needed in some situations.
Having also work in predominantly male dominated work places such as building sites, women are becoming more prevalent and usually just as capable so my views are changing.
That said, I am not averse to fluttering my eyelashes at the builder and getting him to carry my ladders on occasion
However, I would much rather have my smear test conducted by a female nurse than a male one! You are right there, it shouldnt come into it and I have few examples on few jobs where we dont see so many women on. I wonder how much say the employer have a say on it of who gets it? No doubt there are women who is interested in those jobs as well "
The jobs that I wanted to give few examples on are asphalt workers and oil riggers in the pacific ocean, surely women are interested in those job as well |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Liverpool |
It's not black and white. Never will be black and white.
Like with most things it's not simple and multiple factors need to be taken in to account.
On the surface yes every job role should be open for anyone to apply for. The most qualified in terms of exam results, and experience etc gets the job.
Then you have things like Pickle has said, certain roles require to be gender specific requirements.
Heavily abused victims are more comfortable and feel safer with somebody of the opposite gender of their abuser.
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton, |
Hiring people just to tick a box doesn't do anyone any favours,especially the candidate if it turns out they are not suited to the role.I have worked with men and women who have been hired because they tick a box but have turned out to be useless in the job. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Liverpool |
Anyone that thinks there are not quota hirings are in denial, or just oblivious. Plenty of companies have openly admitted to it.
It is heavily "encouraged" to do so by higher up. Unfortunately to the outside its never going to be clear who has been a genuine hire or not based on qualifications alone. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Most qualified for the position regardless of gender.
Unless the role requires a specific gender penis model for example
Mrs
Women have penises too"
“It’s a boy, it’s a boy!”. And somebody said “but it hasn’t got a winkle!”. And then I said “A boy without a winkle? God be praised, it is a miracle. A boy without a winkle!” And then Sir Thomas More pointed out that a boy without a winkle is a girl. And everyone was really disappointed. (Blackadder II) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"On the whole gender shouldn’t come into it.
However, and I say this as a feminist, there are some jobs better suited to each gender. Having worked in care for example, I found it much safer to work alongside a man because they had the strength needed in some situations.
Having also work in predominantly male dominated work places such as building sites, women are becoming more prevalent and usually just as capable so my views are changing.
That said, I am not averse to fluttering my eyelashes at the builder and getting him to carry my ladders on occasion
However, I would much rather have my smear test conducted by a female nurse than a male one!
It should be based on the ability to do the job. I have yet however to see a female waste collector or sewer worker.
And in my job I have to take time out of my day to help women fo part of the job they havnt the physical strength to do.
So this foes irritate me a bit.
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By *929Man
over a year ago
bedlington |
Whoever’s most qualified but there will always be jobs women are better at and jobs men are better at. That being said I know a tiny woman in her late 50s who has ms and I’ve seen her lift and carry things that you would not believe and shovel and barrow better than many men. |
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Mostly yes, the most qualified and experienced. However, if a job is currently dominanted by a particular gender and you want to change that, the most experienced people are always going to be the already dominant gender so the only way to change it is to employ some who are less experienced. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Hiring people just to tick a box doesn't do anyone any favours,especially the candidate if it turns out they are not suited to the role.I have worked with men and women who have been hired because they tick a box but have turned out to be useless in the job."
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Even the military as fallen foul of this recently… more the RAF only accepting recruiting candidates of ethnicity and sexuality.
It’s come back to bite them in the arse.
The best person should always get the job. Regardless of box ticking.
But it’s not always down to ethnicity or sex.
I’ve had friends passed over for promotion over where they’re from. For having a family,
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"Gender shouldn't come into for most jobs. It still upsets me that when I left a job once I hired a male replacement and they instantly paid him more than I was on.
There are some cases where it is important to be able to specify. Such as care. While both men and women can do the job brilliant, people being cared for should still be able to have their wishes accommodated where possible "
You are right there, it shouldnt come into it, but yes, some roles it is important to specify as well |
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As a woman in a male dominated industry, I hate the idea of me getting my job purely to tick a diversity box.
It used to really bother me initially, the not knowing. Now though, I know my worth and know I am well beyond some of the males so I have no complaints.
I meet your sentiment that gender should not matter for any job.
You need a plumber and the best is female? Hire her.
You are looking for childcare and the best is male? Hire him?
The best nurse is a guy? So what?
Look beyond the job and at the actual person and their skills |
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I’m glad everyone is in broad agreement. I disagree
In my industry, employees are about 95% male. Not because it’s physically limited but because it’s traditionally a male industry and the university students or apprentices are very slow to change too. It’s taking decades.
If a male candidate might be slightly better, I’d still choose the female (or non binary) candidate because it helps my team’s diversity which means we can have different ways of seeing problems and therefore fixing them.
I’d gladly take a candidate 90% as good if they made the team much stronger. That’s the same for anyone who isn’t white and upper-working or middle class too. If my employees all think the same, they’re not going to be very creative in their solutions. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm going to stick my neck out here. I much preferred women midwives."
It's ok. Me too. After all it means "with woman". But I met two excellent male ones in teaching roles and making amazing impact in the trust they worked.
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