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By *r-8-BBC OP Man
over a year ago
LONDON |
"It will do massive damage to the economy. I could talk all day about all the ways in which this is bad. "
Please tell me more I am very interested. I believe there is some merit UBI but also open to abuse. |
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By *x SmithMan
over a year ago
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It will happen eventually, it has to, as more automation means fewer jobs means more people out of work means something somehow has to sustain the masses, at least Bread and Circus, but also the nourishment that comes from something fulfilling, like a creative hobby or a sense of community. One day, we'll have the energy to automate all manufacturing and food production, move it underground, rewild the surface and be in balance with nature without reducing our level of comfort.
How it happens and how soon is up to governments. Fully automated luxury communism will come, and I say that as someone with only as passing interest in Iain M. Banks' sci-fi.
One of the ways this will be attained is by universal basic income. If humanity is to progress, it will become the norm. Eventually, when there is abundance for everybody (and that could be today), even UBI will be seen as a thing of the past. Post-scarcity will happen, it should have happened decades ago, but capitalism creates greed, and greed hampers global innovation. |
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Just looked it up and seems there will be a trial to assess it. In a utopian society it sounds great but the amount suggested is more than the state pension which will gradually be phased out as its not affordable. A government, non means tested hand out has to be paid for somewhere. |
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"Just read an article about a UBI trial in the UK. What do you think about this ? Is it a good idea or will it be a detriment to our society?"
I earn less than this, so I'd be happy to get this instead of my wage  |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
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If you are only allowed to earn X,why would anyone bother risking their money to set up a business,why bother getting qualified in a profession when you will only earn the same as an unskilled person,why work hard for a promotion? |
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It is a great idea but it will meet the usual resistance on the grounds that it is communism and that it will trash the economy.
Those ideas will be pushed by those sitting on vast fortunes who never have to worry about paying the bills. |
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"Just read an article about a UBI trial in the UK. What do you think about this ? Is it a good idea or will it be a detriment to our society?
I earn less than this, so I'd be happy to get this instead of my wage "
You would get it in addition to your wage!! Just read that Finland trialled it but scrapped the idea at the end of the trial. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"It is a great idea but it will meet the usual resistance on the grounds that it is communism and that it will trash the economy.
Those ideas will be pushed by those sitting on vast fortunes who never have to worry about paying the bills."
The future looks pretty different from the model we have enjoyed since ww2. UBI is one of the options going forward. AI is going to change the working environment. And we still haven't found our post covid normal. |
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By *empted23Couple
over a year ago
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It is entirely dependant on how people use it as to wether or not it’s a good idea
You can see it as free money to squander or you can see it as a freeing opportunity to follow a dream
I haven’t looked into how much they are going to use as a basis amount in the trial
But from my perspective if it’s enough just to cover the rent
Then I can peruse wood working and guitar as passion hobbies and giving paddle boarding lessons which I do but doesn’t generate enough income to leave a shit job
But would generate enough income to have a nice life if it wasn’t for the fucking rent
So bring it on and I will serenade the world while on my guitar teaching everyone who wants to learn to paddleboard
And if you want a deck building I will probably be around for that too  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Massively complex. I can't understand how you can trial it unless you segragate a population first and for years at a time though. It's a pychological experiment as much as anything...
I can see reasons for and against. I think this was the plan all along though .Certainly what those WEF's want and goes nicely with digital only currencies
Ultimately I think it's damaging and gives control to the minority will likely result in control if what they spend and on what they spend it on
Again massively complex discussion |
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"Just read an article about a UBI trial in the UK. What do you think about this ? Is it a good idea or will it be a detriment to our society?
I earn less than this, so I'd be happy to get this instead of my wage
You would get it in addition to your wage!! Just read that Finland trialled it but scrapped the idea at the end of the trial."
Yeah I know, but I'd be happier either or  |
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It will be inevitable eventually but I highly suspect we will need to face an employment crisis first, then it will be a rushed, botched job at first highly open to fraud which will then lead to scepticism and criticism. It will eventually become the norm maybe 5 years after implimentation, possibly 10 years before it's not massively divisive. |
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By *r-8-BBC OP Man
over a year ago
LONDON |
Ok. So knowing we maybe issued UBI at some point and now countries around the world including our own are now introducing CBDC's (central bank digital currencies) our government said we will only be allowed to spend £20,000 max and we can't save any of it because it has an expiration date. How do you feel about UBI now ? I mean I can see a lot of things the government is introducing but in stages that all lead to a more controlled bigger brother society to the one we have already. I see our rights being overriden and I see everyone just going along with it all. CBDC, ULEZ and the introduction of AI into all these systems what chance do we have of some kind of freedom ? |
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"If you are only allowed to earn X,why would anyone bother risking their money to set up a business,why bother getting qualified in a profession when you will only earn the same as an unskilled person,why work hard for a promotion?"
I think you're confusing UBI with communism. It doesn't mean everyone earns the same for employed work. |
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over a year ago
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"Ok. So knowing we maybe issued UBI at some point and now countries around the world including our own are now introducing CBDC's (central bank digital currencies) our government said we will only be allowed to spend £20,000 max and we can't save any of it because it has an expiration date. How do you feel about UBI now ? I mean I can see a lot of things the government is introducing but in stages that all lead to a more controlled bigger brother society to the one we have already. I see our rights being overriden and I see everyone just going along with it all. CBDC, ULEZ and the introduction of AI into all these systems what chance do we have of some kind of freedom ?"
The expiry date thing is interesting as some people simply like to save and have spare cash whilst others would be happy with the expiry date thing as they likely already have credit anyway.
Depending on your personality, your DNA,you simply don't have freedom, or very little now anyway. It's getting worse too like you illuded too |
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"It is entirely dependant on how people use it as to wether or not it’s a good idea
You can see it as free money to squander or you can see it as a freeing opportunity to follow a dream
I haven’t looked into how much they are going to use as a basis amount in the trial
But from my perspective if it’s enough just to cover the rent
Then I can peruse wood working and guitar as passion hobbies and giving paddle boarding lessons which I do but doesn’t generate enough income to leave a shit job
But would generate enough income to have a nice life if it wasn’t for the fucking rent
So bring it on and I will serenade the world while on my guitar teaching everyone who wants to learn to paddleboard
And if you want a deck building I will probably be around for that too "
Its £1600 per month, per person in trial groups in Jarrow and Finchley. There's also groups who won't receive anything so the results can be analysed between the 2 groups. This is all from the Internet but it's all I can find. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It is entirely dependant on how people use it as to wether or not it’s a good idea
You can see it as free money to squander or you can see it as a freeing opportunity to follow a dream
I haven’t looked into how much they are going to use as a basis amount in the trial
But from my perspective if it’s enough just to cover the rent
Then I can peruse wood working and guitar as passion hobbies and giving paddle boarding lessons which I do but doesn’t generate enough income to leave a shit job
But would generate enough income to have a nice life if it wasn’t for the fucking rent
So bring it on and I will serenade the world while on my guitar teaching everyone who wants to learn to paddleboard
And if you want a deck building I will probably be around for that too
Its £1600 per month, per person in trial groups in Jarrow and Finchley. There's also groups who won't receive anything so the results can be analysed between the 2 groups. This is all from the Internet but it's all I can find."
That's already about what I earn working full time and shifts? That wouldn't be sustainable to give to millions of people surely? |
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"It is entirely dependant on how people use it as to wether or not it’s a good idea
You can see it as free money to squander or you can see it as a freeing opportunity to follow a dream
I haven’t looked into how much they are going to use as a basis amount in the trial
But from my perspective if it’s enough just to cover the rent
Then I can peruse wood working and guitar as passion hobbies and giving paddle boarding lessons which I do but doesn’t generate enough income to leave a shit job
But would generate enough income to have a nice life if it wasn’t for the fucking rent
So bring it on and I will serenade the world while on my guitar teaching everyone who wants to learn to paddleboard
And if you want a deck building I will probably be around for that too
Its £1600 per month, per person in trial groups in Jarrow and Finchley. There's also groups who won't receive anything so the results can be analysed between the 2 groups. This is all from the Internet but it's all I can find.
That's already about what I earn working full time and shifts? That wouldn't be sustainable to give to millions of people surely? "
1600 x 70m people = 112b per month.
If imagine it would be less for children etc etc..
1600/per person/per month definitely isn't sustainable but I would be in favour of UBI should we manage to work out an affordable solution. |
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By *empted23Couple
over a year ago
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"It is entirely dependant on how people use it as to wether or not it’s a good idea
You can see it as free money to squander or you can see it as a freeing opportunity to follow a dream
I haven’t looked into how much they are going to use as a basis amount in the trial
But from my perspective if it’s enough just to cover the rent
Then I can peruse wood working and guitar as passion hobbies and giving paddle boarding lessons which I do but doesn’t generate enough income to leave a shit job
But would generate enough income to have a nice life if it wasn’t for the fucking rent
So bring it on and I will serenade the world while on my guitar teaching everyone who wants to learn to paddleboard
And if you want a deck building I will probably be around for that too
Its £1600 per month, per person in trial groups in Jarrow and Finchley. There's also groups who won't receive anything so the results can be analysed between the 2 groups. This is all from the Internet but it's all I can find.
That's already about what I earn working full time and shifts? That wouldn't be sustainable to give to millions of people surely?
1600 x 70m people = 112b per month.
If imagine it would be less for children etc etc..
1600/per person/per month definitely isn't sustainable but I would be in favour of UBI should we manage to work out an affordable solution."
Oh I only need £780 for the rent
Yep deffo still all in
Shame I’m not in the trial area |
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By *empted23Couple
over a year ago
countryside |
"It is entirely dependant on how people use it as to wether or not it’s a good idea
You can see it as free money to squander or you can see it as a freeing opportunity to follow a dream
I haven’t looked into how much they are going to use as a basis amount in the trial
But from my perspective if it’s enough just to cover the rent
Then I can peruse wood working and guitar as passion hobbies and giving paddle boarding lessons which I do but doesn’t generate enough income to leave a shit job
But would generate enough income to have a nice life if it wasn’t for the fucking rent
So bring it on and I will serenade the world while on my guitar teaching everyone who wants to learn to paddleboard
And if you want a deck building I will probably be around for that too
Its £1600 per month, per person in trial groups in Jarrow and Finchley. There's also groups who won't receive anything so the results can be analysed between the 2 groups. This is all from the Internet but it's all I can find.
That's already about what I earn working full time and shifts? That wouldn't be sustainable to give to millions of people surely?
1600 x 70m people = 112b per month.
If imagine it would be less for children etc etc..
1600/per person/per month definitely isn't sustainable but I would be in favour of UBI should we manage to work out an affordable solution.
Oh I only need £780 for the rent
Yep deffo still all in
Shame I’m not in the trial area"
Obviously that’s becuase E puts in the other 780 but if it’s universal we would presumably both receive it
She can go back to diving and water rescue shizz
That she loved
Cos she is a maniac
I will stay on top of the water where the air is
UBI has a massive tick in our box
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"It is entirely dependant on how people use it as to wether or not it’s a good idea
You can see it as free money to squander or you can see it as a freeing opportunity to follow a dream
I haven’t looked into how much they are going to use as a basis amount in the trial
But from my perspective if it’s enough just to cover the rent
Then I can peruse wood working and guitar as passion hobbies and giving paddle boarding lessons which I do but doesn’t generate enough income to leave a shit job
But would generate enough income to have a nice life if it wasn’t for the fucking rent
So bring it on and I will serenade the world while on my guitar teaching everyone who wants to learn to paddleboard
And if you want a deck building I will probably be around for that too
Its £1600 per month, per person in trial groups in Jarrow and Finchley. There's also groups who won't receive anything so the results can be analysed between the 2 groups. This is all from the Internet but it's all I can find.
That's already about what I earn working full time and shifts? That wouldn't be sustainable to give to millions of people surely?
1600 x 70m people = 112b per month.
If imagine it would be less for children etc etc..
1600/per person/per month definitely isn't sustainable but I would be in favour of UBI should we manage to work out an affordable solution."
I'd expect income would be taxed so that if you earned more than a certain threshold you'd end up paying the equivalent back in income tax.
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"It is entirely dependant on how people use it as to wether or not it’s a good idea
You can see it as free money to squander or you can see it as a freeing opportunity to follow a dream
I haven’t looked into how much they are going to use as a basis amount in the trial
But from my perspective if it’s enough just to cover the rent
Then I can peruse wood working and guitar as passion hobbies and giving paddle boarding lessons which I do but doesn’t generate enough income to leave a shit job
But would generate enough income to have a nice life if it wasn’t for the fucking rent
So bring it on and I will serenade the world while on my guitar teaching everyone who wants to learn to paddleboard
And if you want a deck building I will probably be around for that too
Its £1600 per month, per person in trial groups in Jarrow and Finchley. There's also groups who won't receive anything so the results can be analysed between the 2 groups. This is all from the Internet but it's all I can find.
That's already about what I earn working full time and shifts? That wouldn't be sustainable to give to millions of people surely?
1600 x 70m people = 112b per month.
If imagine it would be less for children etc etc..
1600/per person/per month definitely isn't sustainable but I would be in favour of UBI should we manage to work out an affordable solution.
I'd expect income would be taxed so that if you earned more than a certain threshold you'd end up paying the equivalent back in income tax.
B"
If imagine the tax free allowance would be gone in an instant. Not sure how much that would raise though.
Then we would lose all other benefits ie. UC, DLA etc etc.
I'm absolutely sure this could work, just not sure at which level. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Obviously that’s becuase E puts in the other 780 but if it’s universal we would presumably both receive it
She can go back to diving and water rescue shizz
That she loved
Cos she is a maniac
I will stay on top of the water where the air is
UBI has a massive tick in our box
Yes but inflation would skyrocket. Your rent at £780 would skyrocket. In the short term atleast until enough people were unemployed.
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Just like everything else, it is a good idea and a bad idea all at once, because human beings are all wildly different. For every person UBI sets free to pursue a dream, writing a book, basket weaving, whatever, it will breed apathy and complacency in someone else. On balance, I suspect it will further entrench the negative aspects of dependency and entitlement more than it will promote the pursuit of dreams and ambition. If by some economic sleight of hand the nation could afford such a scheme, I’d say a far better use of the funds would be to make university education free once again, and cover the costs of basic necessities, such as water and heating. |
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By *empted23Couple
over a year ago
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"Obviously that’s becuase E puts in the other 780 but if it’s universal we would presumably both receive it
She can go back to diving and water rescue shizz
That she loved
Cos she is a maniac
I will stay on top of the water where the air is
UBI has a massive tick in our box
Yes but inflation would skyrocket. Your rent at £780 would skyrocket. In the short term atleast until enough people were unemployed.
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I’m not absolutely convinced how it would automatically throw inflation into chaos
Perhaps it would
There is a vanishingly small chance your so well informed and qualified to make such a judgement
But let’s pretend your just with out any doubt
Correct
When In the next let’s hypothetically say …20 years
60% of jobs are automated what do you suggest for those people if not UBI |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Obviously that’s becuase E puts in the other 780 but if it’s universal we would presumably both receive it
She can go back to diving and water rescue shizz
That she loved
Cos she is a maniac
I will stay on top of the water where the air is
UBI has a massive tick in our box
Yes but inflation would skyrocket. Your rent at £780 would skyrocket. In the short term atleast until enough people were unemployed.
I’m not absolutely convinced how it would automatically throw inflation into chaos
Perhaps it would
There is a vanishingly small chance your so well informed and qualified to make such a judgement
But let’s pretend your just with out any doubt
Correct
When In the next let’s hypothetically say …20 years
60% of jobs are automated what do you suggest for those people if not UBI "
Covid handouts were a driver of inflation...
But yes to your point you'd have to include many factors and a timeframe before deciding what the affects would have on inflation.
Truth is we could get rid of alot of jobs already through automation but they're is no real appetite for it. Automation is a choice that we are allowing. Mike Lynch from the railways union thankfully points this out in the railway dispute.
Of course, if we have mass automation we will need UBI. I suggested earlier though you will likely lose your autonomy at the same time. No-one will give you money for nothing, with no rules. As I pointed out thought earlier it's a complex topic but I would suggest resisting it at all costs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It will do massive damage to the economy. I could talk all day about all the ways in which this is bad.
Please tell me more I am very interested. I believe there is some merit UBI but also open to abuse."
If you give everyone free money then the value of the money decreases which means the prices of everything will increase. You’ll have more money but less spending power and it would just mean that the poor get poorer and the rich get richer. |
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By *empted23Couple
over a year ago
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"It will do massive damage to the economy. I could talk all day about all the ways in which this is bad.
Please tell me more I am very interested. I believe there is some merit UBI but also open to abuse.
If you give everyone free money then the value of the money decreases which means the prices of everything will increase. You’ll have more money but less spending power and it would just mean that the poor get poorer and the rich get richer. "
And that’s different to how things have always been ??
The rich have always got richer , the poor have always got poorer and the middle has been eroded top and bottom , a rare few escape upwards
Most fall to the bottom and the number sustaining in the middle decreases
Don’t see how UBI would rock that boat with any significance
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We should explore more ways to create a society that works for all, including this. We should avoid ignorance and not having evidence behind the important decisions that we take, affecting millions of people |
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"For 1600 quid a month I’d probably never bother going to work again
I can tell you know that £1600 per month is not enough to give up looking for work and staying at home."
Considering a nurse makes less than £200 a month more than that after deductions and if they didn't work, wouldn't have to pay for their professional registration, union membership, travel or childcare, for many people it is and they would actually be better off. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Liverpool |
"For 1600 quid a month I’d probably never bother going to work again
I can tell you know that £1600 per month is not enough to give up looking for work and staying at home."
Lifestyle varies greatly. Nobody is going to be living the lifestyle of the rich and famous but to survive for doing the equivalent of fuck all while being content with surviving comfortable and safe.
It is going to go a hell of a lot further for those up north than it will in the south, especially London. |
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over a year ago
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"It will do massive damage to the economy. I could talk all day about all the ways in which this is bad.
Please tell me more I am very interested. I believe there is some merit UBI but also open to abuse.
If you give everyone free money then the value of the money decreases which means the prices of everything will increase. You’ll have more money but less spending power and it would just mean that the poor get poorer and the rich get richer.
And that’s different to how things have always been ??
The rich have always got richer , the poor have always got poorer and the middle has been eroded top and bottom , a rare few escape upwards
Most fall to the bottom and the number sustaining in the middle decreases
Don’t see how UBI would rock that boat with any significance
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It would accelerate the process. The destruction of the middle class leaves nothing for people to work hard for. In an open and free world, people have to have the ability to gain attainable wealth through their own means |
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By *929Man
over a year ago
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"For 1600 quid a month I’d probably never bother going to work again
I can tell you know that £1600 per month is not enough to give up looking for work and staying at home."
I’m up north mate living costs far lower, house is paid off and have no other debt, I could live very well off 1600 quid a month |
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By *r-8-BBC OP Man
over a year ago
LONDON |
I hear what you are all saying. If its £1600 per adult per household then living not surviving is ok.
£1600 per household if you have a family or a young couple with a child isn't enough, it says nothing about additional help for council tax energy, rent, food or clothing.
I know recieving the £1600 is for doing absolutely nothing but who wants to survive?
Its £1600 that's it. I can't speak for up north but down here in the south that won't cut it which would lead to crime. |
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"I hear what you are all saying. If its £1600 per adult per household then living not surviving is ok.
£1600 per household if you have a family or a young couple with a child isn't enough, it says nothing about additional help for council tax energy, rent, food or clothing.
I know recieving the £1600 is for doing absolutely nothing but who wants to survive?
Its £1600 that's it. I can't speak for up north but down here in the south that won't cut it which would lead to crime."
I think you're missing the point that many, many people currently go out and work full time for less money than that. Without additional help to pay the bills and with additional expenses related to being in work. For many people, that would be an increase in their standard of living. |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
Isn’t the idea of the pilots to see if it changes people’s attitudes and triggers more social mobility. It’s a social science experiment
The current system has a major flaw , starting with introduction of JSA, you were expected to look for work in return for your benefits , this assumes there is work that pays what you need, matches your skills, and you just need to somehow find it. It also assumes full employment is possible.
We now know these are big mistakes and need to design a system to increase skills development & people learn and are motivated more when they feel safe |
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over a year ago
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"If you are only allowed to earn X,why would anyone bother risking their money to set up a business,why bother getting qualified in a profession when you will only earn the same as an unskilled person,why work hard for a promotion?"
Exactly - I have, from time to time, limited my earning capacity. Once I had enough to keep me happy I pulled the plug and preferred to stay in bed not earning rather than earn more and lose half on tax
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By *r-8-BBC OP Man
over a year ago
LONDON |
"For 1600 quid a month I’d probably never bother going to work again
I can tell you know that £1600 per month is not enough to give up looking for work and staying at home.
Considering a nurse makes less than £200 a month more than that after deductions and if they didn't work, wouldn't have to pay for their professional registration, union membership, travel or childcare, for many people it is and they would actually be better off."
Are those qualified nurses or nurses in training? |
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"For 1600 quid a month I’d probably never bother going to work again
I can tell you know that £1600 per month is not enough to give up looking for work and staying at home."
Wow it deffo is! I would have been happy with that amount plenty to live on! 700 more than I currently earn and 800 more than I shall be living on as a oap ! X |
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By *woinoneMan
over a year ago
Edinburgh |
We basically trialed it en masse already, it was called furlough.
The result - double digit levels of inflation. The government doesn't generate wealth, it only taxes it or prints it and the 2nd option is far easier to fool voters with.
Thinking the government/politicians are the solution to the world's problems in 2023 is wild. |
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By *r-8-BBC OP Man
over a year ago
LONDON |
"I hear what you are all saying. If its £1600 per adult per household then living not surviving is ok.
£1600 per household if you have a family or a young couple with a child isn't enough, it says nothing about additional help for council tax energy, rent, food or clothing.
I know recieving the £1600 is for doing absolutely nothing but who wants to survive?
Its £1600 that's it. I can't speak for up north but down here in the south that won't cut it which would lead to crime.
I think you're missing the point that many, many people currently go out and work full time for less money than that. Without additional help to pay the bills and with additional expenses related to being in work. For many people, that would be an increase in their standard of living. "
Ok, I understand that, i really do, but they are struggling on that initial income and even with £200/£300 extra they'll still be struggling, they'll just about be keeping their heads above water and that’s my point.
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By *r-8-BBC OP Man
over a year ago
LONDON |
"For 1600 quid a month I’d probably never bother going to work again
I can tell you know that £1600 per month is not enough to give up looking for work and staying at home.
Wow it deffo is! I would have been happy with that amount plenty to live on! 700 more than I currently earn and 800 more than I shall be living on as a oap ! X"
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"We basically trialed it en masse already, it was called furlough.
The result - double digit levels of inflation. The government doesn't generate wealth, it only taxes it or prints it and the 2nd option is far easier to fool voters with.
Thinking the government/politicians are the solution to the world's problems in 2023 is wild. "
I’m the uk yes, they are clearly way out of their depth but plenty of examples of regulation and capitalism being used very smart & effectively by those in control in other countries. Uk has become so far behind technologically too it’s going to be hard to bring any kind of change in successfully
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"For 1600 quid a month I’d probably never bother going to work again
I can tell you know that £1600 per month is not enough to give up looking for work and staying at home.
Considering a nurse makes less than £200 a month more than that after deductions and if they didn't work, wouldn't have to pay for their professional registration, union membership, travel or childcare, for many people it is and they would actually be better off.
Are those qualified nurses or nurses in training?"
Nurses with years of experience. |
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"For 1600 quid a month I’d probably never bother going to work again
I can tell you know that £1600 per month is not enough to give up looking for work and staying at home.
Wow it deffo is! I would have been happy with that amount plenty to live on! 700 more than I currently earn and 800 more than I shall be living on as a oap ! X
How ?! I am assuming you own your property and not renting?"
Nope! Council renting so not to bad x |
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The trial is for young people, leaving care. I've just done a quick calculation and it's the equivalent to earning £23k. I don't know what it teaches anyone? One of the measurement criteria is 'will it encourage them to find work?' I can assume that in over 50% of the cases the answer is no. So what happens after the trial when they go back to the base rate? Another criteria is 'affects on mental health'. Well, that will be fucked, too, when you whip away their income
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By *r-8-BBC OP Man
over a year ago
LONDON |
"We basically trialed it en masse already, it was called furlough.
The result - double digit levels of inflation. The government doesn't generate wealth, it only taxes it or prints it and the 2nd option is far easier to fool voters with.
Thinking the government/politicians are the solution to the world's problems in 2023 is wild.
I’m the uk yes, they are clearly way out of their depth but plenty of examples of regulation and capitalism being used very smart & effectively by those in control in other countries. Uk has become so far behind technologically too it’s going to be hard to bring any kind of change in successfully
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By *r-8-BBC OP Man
over a year ago
LONDON |
"The trial is for young people, leaving care. I've just done a quick calculation and it's the equivalent to earning £23k. I don't know what it teaches anyone? One of the measurement criteria is 'will it encourage them to find work?' I can assume that in over 50% of the cases the answer is no. So what happens after the trial when they go back to the base rate? Another criteria is 'affects on mental health'. Well, that will be fucked, too, when you whip away their income
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So what's the point of the experiment? |
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By *r-8-BBC OP Man
over a year ago
LONDON |
"For 1600 quid a month I’d probably never bother going to work again
I can tell you know that £1600 per month is not enough to give up looking for work and staying at home.
Wow it deffo is! I would have been happy with that amount plenty to live on! 700 more than I currently earn and 800 more than I shall be living on as a oap ! X
How ?! I am assuming you own your property and not renting?
Nope! Council renting so not to bad x"
And you live on your own ? |
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"For 1600 quid a month I’d probably never bother going to work again
I can tell you know that £1600 per month is not enough to give up looking for work and staying at home.
Wow it deffo is! I would have been happy with that amount plenty to live on! 700 more than I currently earn and 800 more than I shall be living on as a oap ! X
How ?! I am assuming you own your property and not renting?
Nope! Council renting so not to bad x
And you live on your own ?"
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