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Did they actually use the money to build it or did they just use the name of the trust to get planning permission.
Both horrible.
Poor old Tom he had the good intentions and his name is being grifted. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
"One of the greatest grifts of all time though.
You have to take your hat off to them.
You have to take your hat off before using the pool"
Unless it's a swimming hat.
I don't need one of those as I look close enough to Duncan Goodhew already. 
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By *TG3Man
over a year ago
Dorchester |
"Awful daughter, using money sent to his foundation to build a swimming pool and spa in their garden....in his name!"
How do you know have you read it in the paper or watched the news?  |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton, |
Unclear whether they have used charity money or just charity status for planning permission or to claim vat back on materials.Its alleged they called the pool "public" which suggests they have used charity money. |
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I took a dislike to her from the beginning. In the early days when he walked it became clear that she was part of a business and she exploited what was going on - they came under investigation some time ago.
Entitled people.
Not read the ins and outs but I must do |
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According to some news articles they've built it bigger than the original planning permission given and applied for retrospective planning permission which the council are now rejecting and are in the demolition enforcement order on it. There's an appeal lodged but who knows what will happen.
It's always been a bit sketchy from the start with them applying for an 85k salary while independent trustees were found. And from what I've read the trust has suspended taking any future donations or donors to it until investigations of wrongdoing etc have been completed.
Tinder x
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"According to some news articles they've built it bigger than the original planning permission given and applied for retrospective planning permission which the council are now rejecting and are in the demolition enforcement order on it. There's an appeal lodged but who knows what will happen.
It's always been a bit sketchy from the start with them applying for an 85k salary while independent trustees were found. And from what I've read the trust has suspended taking any future donations or donors to it until investigations of wrongdoing etc have been completed.
Tinder x
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The charity commission actually stepped in and made her step down when she tried to appoint herself a six figure salary as well |
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"One of the greatest grifts of all time though.
You have to take your hat off to them."
Actually the greatest grift was the Tories who enhanced the coverage about what he was doing.
Caveat, I fully respect what he did as a moral boost and his fight to the last spirit.
But as ex service and ex NHS I think the government was laughing all the way as not only do they find the NHS with our taxes they were encouraging us to continue funding it after tax by suggesting anyone not supporting Tom was being unpatriotic.
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Capt Toms daughter admitted to keeping the royalties from his book when it was meant to go to charity and getting covid loans and handouts.
She is lower than low, I bet she forced her Dad to go around the grounds of his large home.
His name is tarnished now because of her.
Where is the money?
Crooks!!! |
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over a year ago
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"Capt Toms daughter admitted to keeping the royalties from his book when it was meant to go to charity and getting covid loans and handouts.
She is lower than low, I bet she forced her Dad to go around the grounds of his large home.
His name is tarnished now because of her.
Where is the money?
Crooks!!!"
If people tarnish his name that's incredibly shit on them.
Unless they really think that he was aware and in on the scam.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"One of the greatest grifts of all time though.
You have to take your hat off to them.
Actually the greatest grift was the Tories who enhanced the coverage about what he was doing.
Caveat, I fully respect what he did as a moral boost and his fight to the last spirit.
But as ex service and ex NHS I think the government was laughing all the way as not only do they find the NHS with our taxes they were encouraging us to continue funding it after tax by suggesting anyone not supporting Tom was being unpatriotic.
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I fucking gave my money thinking it was going to NHS and good causes and not this criminal family to jet off and build a sports centre for themselves.
I hope they get charged and pay it all back to NHS.
I bet Captain Tom was trying to escape from his evil daughter and family.
I bet this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Where is the £40+million? |
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"£800,000 from his books went to the daughters company, to stay in the family. Awful daughter  "
Not just the daughter..you think other members of the family didnt know and the accountant.
You cant just take £800,000 without telling other people. |
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"There's a pub near me called Uncle Tom's Cabin
Captain Tom's Cabin is health and fitness club 
Pretty brazen behaviour.
It's also a weirdly racist joke. "
How is that racist? Should the publican change the name of their pub? |
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"One of the greatest grifts of all time though.
You have to take your hat off to them.
Actually the greatest grift was the Tories who enhanced the coverage about what he was doing.
Caveat, I fully respect what he did as a moral boost and his fight to the last spirit.
But as ex service and ex NHS I think the government was laughing all the way as not only do they find the NHS with our taxes they were encouraging us to continue funding it after tax by suggesting anyone not supporting Tom was being unpatriotic.
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Tom was used as smoke and mirrors during
governmental covid disdemeanours and given huge boosts by personalities and unwarranted news coverage.
It is so easy to fool the public and create a phoney hero for them , they are idiotic in their blindness. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There's a pub near me called Uncle Tom's Cabin
Captain Tom's Cabin is health and fitness club
Pretty brazen behaviour.
It's also a weirdly racist joke. "
’weirdly racist’  reaching ?? |
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"Remember the Mcanns using money donated to find Maddie to pay off the mortgage"
No they didn't. They made two payments when they were on unpaid leave for 6 months. Unethical, yes, but totally different to what you said |
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They used money from the books not the charity funds. I beleive that it does not state the money from the books would go to the funds, it never stated that they wouldn't; so not misappropriated.
The issue is around how the trust is being run and the salary his daughter receives as Chair of the charity.
I think must of us who gave, believed the funds would have been distributed quickly and the fund closed down, but a vast majority hasn't and it is being used as a salary pot. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"All over the news, stealing £800,000.
I wonder what else she has done and is hiding.
Needs to get investigated and charged."
Must be a Tory scam going on and they need her in the news to cover it up. |
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"I fucking gave my money thinking it was going to NHS and good causes and not this criminal family to jet off and build a sports centre for themselves.
I hope they get charged and pay it all back to NHS.
I bet Captain Tom was trying to escape from his evil daughter and family.
The money he raised from his walk and the donations all went to charity. There’s no dispute there.
He wrote 3 books and in the prologue of one said that he wanted the money to do more good for charity. Those proceeds were held in a limited company and the daughter spent £800k. Not illegal just highly immoral.
I bet this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Where is the £40+million? "
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Whoa what's with all the judgements?
The 38 million raised by Tom was before the family created their charity.
Why shouldn't the family assume the proceeds of Tom's books would go to them as or unless specified in a will. You've heard of inheritance? |
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"Whoa what's with all the judgements?
The 38 million raised by Tom was before the family created their charity.
Why shouldn't the family assume the proceeds of Tom's books would go to them as or unless specified in a will. You've heard of inheritance?"
Because he wrote in the prologue of one of the books that he would like the money to go to charity. Unfortunately he didn’t ensure that legally that would happen. She didn’t break the law but she went against his written desire |
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By *oofy321 OP Man
over a year ago
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"Whoa what's with all the judgements?
The 38 million raised by Tom was before the family created their charity.
Why shouldn't the family assume the proceeds of Tom's books would go to them as or unless specified in a will. You've heard of inheritance?"
Most of that money was transferred to the new charity |
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"Whoa what's with all the judgements?
The 38 million raised by Tom was before the family created their charity.
Why shouldn't the family assume the proceeds of Tom's books would go to them as or unless specified in a will. You've heard of inheritance?
Most of that money was transferred to the new charity "
Obviously we don't read the same sources. |
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"Whoa what's with all the judgements?
The 38 million raised by Tom was before the family created their charity.
Why shouldn't the family assume the proceeds of Tom's books would go to them as or unless specified in a will. You've heard of inheritance?
Because he wrote in the prologue of one of the books that he would like the money to go to charity. Unfortunately he didn’t ensure that legally that would happen. She didn’t break the law but she went against his written desire "
Ok, a matter for her conscience then re one of the books. |
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Charity's are a stealth tax,stopped giving to any of them years ago,now i just drop 50 quid in the had of a homeless person,if they want to buy booze or anything to numb their upset on a tempory basis then crack on! |
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"Still like to find out where the £40m is. Is it in her bank account earning interest? "
All that money went to 241 nhs charities just as he wanted.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/captain-tom-moore-foundation-finances-b2011018.html
The foundation set up in his name is separate as is the limited company that had the money for his books |
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"I've just watch the interview. This spa wasn't that impressive.
These people are the only people who know what they really did right or wrong."
Other than the charities commission, HMRC and companies house . |
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"I've just watch the interview. This spa wasn't that impressive.
These people are the only people who know what they really did right or wrong.
Other than the charities commission, HMRC and companies house ."
Who will investigate |
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But I will say getting paid from the foundation and getting pain 18 grand for days work on top of that and give the charity 2 grand is not good.they say the money got was toms money from sale of his books. |
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They also (including Tom) went on holiday during the pandemic, and before people jump on the bandwagon off it was to fufill a lifetime dream etc that I have heard spouted around. At that time families were not even allowed to say goodbye to their loved ones before they passed away etc.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"... a charity CEO usually drives a Ferrari etc..."
And your evidence for this is where?
There are nearly 170,000 charities in England and Wales, are you saying that the leaders of let's say 85,001 of those drive Ferraris? (OK, just to be fair, take the make off and allow any posh sports car from a Porche upwards). Nope, still think you have no evidence for that.
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"They also (including Tom) went on holiday during the pandemic, and before people jump on the bandwagon off it was to fufill a lifetime dream etc that I have heard spouted around. At that time families were not even allowed to say goodbye to their loved ones before they passed away etc.
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They went to Barbados at a time when travel was allowed to "Green List" countries. |
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By *igtoyMan
over a year ago
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My best mate and his wife were friends of the family. They were telling me not nice things about the daughter years ago....they moved away from their sphere of influence. I wont repeat anything here but a nasty, narcissistic person to be sure. Or 'dodgy as f**k' as my family would say. |
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"Apealing against getting her spa building getting demolished.
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Logic to me states if they didn't comply with original permission re planning (external dimensions), then they'll lose appeal. If they did but only internally differ, they may have the right to appeal or reapply? |
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"Apealing against getting her spa building getting demolished.
Logic to me states if they didn't comply with original permission re planning (external dimensions), then they'll lose appeal. If they did but only internally differ, they may have the right to appeal or reapply? "
Apparently it is 49% bigger than the original plans |
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Mr S here.
So fed up with the crass and uninformed comments that all charities are a grifters or somehow corrupt!
I have very considerable and high level experience of the charity sector, and the truth is that the majority are run by well meaning volunteers. The larger ones have to be run by capable managers, and to attract decent people you need to pay decent salaries. The large mega charities are the exception rather than the rule.
Are there some bad apples, of course there are in the same way there are bad apples in all walks of life, but to tar all charities with the same brush is both wrong and disrespectful to all those who dedicate themselves to helping others.
Let’s be clear, the growth of the charity sector is a direct result of successive governments abdicating their social responsibilities and expecting charities to fill the gaps. Also, as part of this, governments and local authorities now contract out a lot of their functions to be delivered by charities. People need to remember our society would be all the poorer if charities did not exist, and you would soon be grateful if ever you needed their support.
As others have noted, the Charity Commission has stepped in as the regulator. Is the CC ideal, no because Government has increasingly cut its funding, but that is a political issue and not the fault of the charity sector.
Has this woman acted illegally, I don’t know, but that is for the authorities to determine. |
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"Mr S here.
So fed up with the crass and uninformed comments that all charities are a grifters or somehow corrupt!
I have very considerable and high level experience of the charity sector, and the truth is that the majority are run by well meaning volunteers. The larger ones have to be run by capable managers, and to attract decent people you need to pay decent salaries. The large mega charities are the exception rather than the rule.
Are there some bad apples, of course there are in the same way there are bad apples in all walks of life, but to tar all charities with the same brush is both wrong and disrespectful to all those who dedicate themselves to helping others.
Let’s be clear, the growth of the charity sector is a direct result of successive governments abdicating their social responsibilities and expecting charities to fill the gaps. Also, as part of this, governments and local authorities now contract out a lot of their functions to be delivered by charities. People need to remember our society would be all the poorer if charities did not exist, and you would soon be grateful if ever you needed their support.
As others have noted, the Charity Commission has stepped in as the regulator. Is the CC ideal, no because Government has increasingly cut its funding, but that is a political issue and not the fault of the charity sector.
Has this woman acted illegally, I don’t know, but that is for the authorities to determine."
Very well said! |
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"Mr S here.
So fed up with the crass and uninformed comments that all charities are a grifters or somehow corrupt!
I have very considerable and high level experience of the charity sector, and the truth is that the majority are run by well meaning volunteers. The larger ones have to be run by capable managers, and to attract decent people you need to pay decent salaries. The large mega charities are the exception rather than the rule.
Are there some bad apples, of course there are in the same way there are bad apples in all walks of life, but to tar all charities with the same brush is both wrong and disrespectful to all those who dedicate themselves to helping others.
Let’s be clear, the growth of the charity sector is a direct result of successive governments abdicating their social responsibilities and expecting charities to fill the gaps. Also, as part of this, governments and local authorities now contract out a lot of their functions to be delivered by charities. People need to remember our society would be all the poorer if charities did not exist, and you would soon be grateful if ever you needed their support.
As others have noted, the Charity Commission has stepped in as the regulator. Is the CC ideal, no because Government has increasingly cut its funding, but that is a political issue and not the fault of the charity sector.
Has this woman acted illegally, I don’t know, but that is for the authorities to determine.
Very well said!"
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