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"I think that people should abide by the rules laid out for them, and that those who are responsible for upholding those rules should do so. I don't think that everywhere should have the same rules or laws as we do just because I may not like something." Yes very true, as the post said, the designated smoking area rule should've been enforced properly by the hotel management, yet despite us, and many other guests, raising this with the hotel, nothing was done, and the smokers were free to smoke where they saw fit? With regards to the same rules, every country has it's own laws, obviously living in the UK we're used to our laws on smoking, but other countries are a long way behind us with this one, so we guess we'll just have to hope that our next holiday will be more smoke free! Thank-you for your opinion, much appreciated (-: | |||
"Nope. As an ex smoker I've seen those that still smoke persecuted more and more over the years, as well as those of us that vape. I agree with no smoking indoors. I agree with specific, designated smoking areas outside pubs, restaurants, clubs, hospitals...basically and public building. But to suggest smokers should be banished to the street? No. How would you feel if the situation was reversed and smokers could use any areas and it was the non-smokers that had to use designated areas? As long as people aren't doing it in places they shouldn't, where its clearly signposted, then public spaces are for all. I'm no fan of people eating in public (streets, not park picnics), but I'd never suggest they have to use designated areas. I'm pissed off when I go to a bar or restaurant and babies are screaming or kids running around, but I'd never want them banned. People just need to be more respectful of eachother and appreciate that they can't always have everything their own way. Maybe those that have at some point smoked view things differently than lifetime non smokers. Or maybe it's just me.
A"Well said dear. (Also... I’m not a fan of other people. Can we ban them from places I go?) | |||
"Nope. As an ex smoker I've seen those that still smoke persecuted more and more over the years, as well as those of us that vape. I agree with no smoking indoors. I agree with specific, designated smoking areas outside pubs, restaurants, clubs, hospitals...basically and public building. But to suggest smokers should be banished to the street? No. How would you feel if the situation was reversed and smokers could use any areas and it was the non-smokers that had to use designated areas? As long as people aren't doing it in places they shouldn't, where its clearly signposted, then public spaces are for all. I'm no fan of people eating in public (streets, not park picnics), but I'd never suggest they have to use designated areas. I'm pissed off when I go to a bar or restaurant and babies are screaming or kids running around, but I'd never want them banned. People just need to be more respectful of eachother and appreciate that they can't always have everything their own way. Maybe those that have at some point smoked view things differently than lifetime non smokers. Or maybe it's just me.
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"Now this will rattle a few cages, however, all sensible opinions are sought on this, as no doubt people will have strong feelings about it? We've just returned from a two week holiday in the Algarve, it was great, beautiful adults only hotel, nice area and mostly hot weather, just one problem......smoking! The smoking laws in the UK are obviously much stricter than abroad, but it drove us mad! We couldn't even get away from it in the hotel grounds, no matter where we sat or put our sunbeds, the foul stench always wafted in our direction, regardless of the wind direction? There was a designated smoking area clearly marked, yet the inconsiderate f****** just ignored it, and instead, subjected the majority of other guests to their second hand smoke? Yes, this should've been enforced by hotel management, but why do these people insist on ignoring the rules, and pleasing themselves where they carry out the disgusting habit, so..... Do you think that smoking should be banned within the confines of a hotel, building, restaurant, whatever, and like most places here in the UK, if you want to smoke, it should be outside in the public street/designated smoking area? Right, we'll now go and prepare ourselves for the barrage of abuse....." Congratulations. You are literally more of a dictator than the actual Kim Jong Un. 
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" Well said dear. (Also... I’m not a fan of other people. Can we ban them from places I go?)"
Fox is often the same. The problem with going out in public is that you can never control who'll be in that public space.
Does that make me particularly cruel for carting her off to the social tomorrow. 
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" Well said dear. (Also... I’m not a fan of other people. Can we ban them from places I go?)
Fox is often the same. The problem with going out in public is that you can never control who'll be in that public space.
Does that make me particularly cruel for carting her off to the social tomorrow.
A"You're so mean. Send her to hang out with me instead. We can sit in different rooms in the house and not talk to each other. Mind you... I keep getting made to be sociable. So actually... no. You take her and make her have fun  | |||
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"Nope. As an ex smoker I've seen those that still smoke persecuted more and more over the years, as well as those of us that vape. I agree with no smoking indoors. I agree with specific, designated smoking areas outside pubs, restaurants, clubs, hospitals...basically and public building. But to suggest smokers should be banished to the street? No. How would you feel if the situation was reversed and smokers could use any areas and it was the non-smokers that had to use designated areas? As long as people aren't doing it in places they shouldn't, where its clearly signposted, then public spaces are for all. I'm no fan of people eating in public (streets, not park picnics), but I'd never suggest they have to use designated areas. I'm pissed off when I go to a bar or restaurant and babies are screaming or kids running around, but I'd never want them banned. People just need to be more respectful of eachother and appreciate that they can't always have everything their own way. Maybe those that have at some point smoked view things differently than lifetime non smokers. Or maybe it's just me.
A"That is just it, they were doing it in places that they shouldn't, that is our point? Non-smokers sat outside anywhere, not just hotel grounds, do not affect other people in the same place with second hand, noxious smoke do they? Smokers exhale foul smelling, dangerous chemicals that affect others? You say that smokers shouldn't be banished to the streets, well, we shouldn't have to move chairs or sunbeds to another part of the hotel grounds just to avoid breathing in what they breath out, it works both ways my friend? If you go into a pub with screaming kids running around that piss you off, you can turn around and walk straight back out again, and it will have cost you nothing? We paid a lot of money to go on holiday, we couldn't just turn back around and go to another hotel or come home, but have to endure being smoked out by inconsiderate individuals that feel entitled to ignore the rules? Thanks for your response, much appreciated (-: | |||
"Going slightly off subject but theirs quite a few so called non smokers on here that do smoke but lie as they think there's more chance getting meets!" Indeed there is, we've been caught out by that one, very true what you say! Thanks! | |||
"We got married in Cuba, beautiful country and ppl. I hubby was a smoker ( still am) but Mrs had been stopped nearly 5 yrs. I've always considered myself a very considerate smoker, won't light up around others, even try to find smoking areas when outside. If there isn't one I don't. Simple as that. However, the hotel we stayed at even allowed smoking at the bar & in dining areas, which is completely alien to me. Long story short, was offered a cigar (Cuban obvs) when a little the worse for rum one night & Mrs loves the smell. Woke up next morning to find her outside " just having the one" "Good quote, unfortunately there needs to be more considerate smokers around that do think about others and stick to the rules wherever they may be, our recent experience certainly wasn't like that! Thanks for your response (-: | |||
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"Now this will rattle a few cages, however, all sensible opinions are sought on this, as no doubt people will have strong feelings about it? We've just returned from a two week holiday in the Algarve, it was great, beautiful adults only hotel, nice area and mostly hot weather, just one problem......smoking! The smoking laws in the UK are obviously much stricter than abroad, but it drove us mad! We couldn't even get away from it in the hotel grounds, no matter where we sat or put our sunbeds, the foul stench always wafted in our direction, regardless of the wind direction? There was a designated smoking area clearly marked, yet the inconsiderate f****** just ignored it, and instead, subjected the majority of other guests to their second hand smoke? Yes, this should've been enforced by hotel management, but why do these people insist on ignoring the rules, and pleasing themselves where they carry out the disgusting habit, so..... Do you think that smoking should be banned within the confines of a hotel, building, restaurant, whatever, and like most places here in the UK, if you want to smoke, it should be outside in the public street/designated smoking area? Right, we'll now go and prepare ourselves for the barrage of abuse....." Nope. I don’t think it should be banned outside. | |||
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"If I am right and I may not be, the smoking rule was an EU rule. We as country of rule followers eg orderly queueing etc will follow the rules. Other countries especially the ones were they see smoking as a right do not. O a recent trip to Egypt I found my self arguing with Russians, Italians etc who would just walk to the front of the queue. As a ex smoker who still vapes and smoke cigars, especially on holiday. I will follow the rules as I consider myself considerate of others. What does get my back are the waiters and coughers who make a dramatic show when I am smoking in a designated place. I was once sat in a smoking area outside a bar in Spain, a fella came to me and asked me to put out my rather expensive cigar, as his wife was feeling sick. I pointed out that I was in a smoking allowed area designated by a sign and the ash trays on all the tables. He said he knew this but his wife liked a certain table and that I was being inconsiderate to his wife. His wife was sitting at the table doing the waft and cough actions. My smoke going in the opposite direction. At this point I was getting a bit annoyed as I just wanted a quiet afternoon beer, so in my northern charm said F@@k Off. He then went to complain to the bar staff who also pointed out it was a smoking area and he was free to sit anywhere else. They spent the next 15 minutes coughing and wafting before leaving. " To be fair, in that situation I would of done the same. Purely because they were playing the " I'm a regular" card. It's hard in some parts of Spain to know where you can and can't smoke. Canaries being a good example. Nearly got a fine for leaving a bar area to go into the street to smoke. | |||
"If I am right and I may not be, the smoking rule was an EU rule. We as country of rule followers eg orderly queueing etc will follow the rules. Other countries especially the ones were they see smoking as a right do not. O a recent trip to Egypt I found my self arguing with Russians, Italians etc who would just walk to the front of the queue. As a ex smoker who still vapes and smoke cigars, especially on holiday. I will follow the rules as I consider myself considerate of others. What does get my back are the waiters and coughers who make a dramatic show when I am smoking in a designated place. I was once sat in a smoking area outside a bar in Spain, a fella came to me and asked me to put out my rather expensive cigar, as his wife was feeling sick. I pointed out that I was in a smoking allowed area designated by a sign and the ash trays on all the tables. He said he knew this but his wife liked a certain table and that I was being inconsiderate to his wife. His wife was sitting at the table doing the waft and cough actions. My smoke going in the opposite direction. At this point I was getting a bit annoyed as I just wanted a quiet afternoon beer, so in my northern charm said F@@k Off. He then went to complain to the bar staff who also pointed out it was a smoking area and he was free to sit anywhere else. They spent the next 15 minutes coughing and wafting before leaving. " Last time I was in Portugal bars had the option to be smoking or non smoking and signs were outside to tell you the status. Just checked online and found this. "From Sunday, January 1, 2023, smoking will only be allowed in restaurants, bars and clubs with an area equal to or greater than 100 square metres and a minimum ceiling height of three metres." So seems you can still smoke indoors in larger venues, but legislation has been proposed to implement further restrictions. Despite the EU being a bloc, individual countries can still set their own rules. Odd that given what so many were claiming about EU rules being all powerful during brexit, eh....
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"Now this will rattle a few cages, however, all sensible opinions are sought on this, as no doubt people will have strong feelings about it? We've just returned from a two week holiday in the Algarve, it was great, beautiful adults only hotel, nice area and mostly hot weather, just one problem......smoking! The smoking laws in the UK are obviously much stricter than abroad, but it drove us mad! We couldn't even get away from it in the hotel grounds, no matter where we sat or put our sunbeds, the foul stench always wafted in our direction, regardless of the wind direction? There was a designated smoking area clearly marked, yet the inconsiderate f****** just ignored it, and instead, subjected the majority of other guests to their second hand smoke? Yes, this should've been enforced by hotel management, but why do these people insist on ignoring the rules, and pleasing themselves where they carry out the disgusting habit, so..... Do you think that smoking should be banned within the confines of a hotel, building, restaurant, whatever, and like most places here in the UK, if you want to smoke, it should be outside in the public street/designated smoking area? Right, we'll now go and prepare ourselves for the barrage of abuse..... Congratulations. You are literally more of a dictator than the actual Kim Jong Un.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_in_North_Korea"Ahh thank-you, that's the best response so far, you know what you're talking about, good on ya, i like it (-: | |||
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"I'm sure it wasnt half as bad as you make out, you appear to enjoy overstating things. " Oh right, overstating things then? So you were staying at the A P Oriental Beach hotel in Portimao between the 5th and 19th June to justify that statement then? First of all, your response is completely irrelevant to the question asked, and secondly, we can assure you that we wouldn't have randomly chosen this subject for the fun of it if it wasn't true? In hindsight, we should've got footage to verify our position on this, then you would've seen for yourself that we've certainly not 'overstated' things as you seem to have assumed, we don't 'enjoy' overstating anything at all no matter what it's about, and we certainly don't enjoy is being subjected to second hand cigarette smoke spoiling our holiday? | |||
"I'm sure it wasnt half as bad as you make out, you appear to enjoy overstating things. Oh right, overstating things then? So you were staying at the A P Oriental Beach hotel in Portimao between the 5th and 19th June to justify that statement then? First of all, your response is completely irrelevant to the question asked, and secondly, we can assure you that we wouldn't have randomly chosen this subject for the fun of it if it wasn't true? In hindsight, we should've got footage to verify our position on this, then you would've seen for yourself that we've certainly not 'overstated' things as you seem to have assumed, we don't 'enjoy' overstating anything at all no matter what it's about, and we certainly don't enjoy is being subjected to second hand cigarette smoke spoiling our holiday?" I rest my case | |||
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"I'm sure it wasnt half as bad as you make out, you appear to enjoy overstating things. Oh right, overstating things then? So you were staying at the A P Oriental Beach hotel in Portimao between the 5th and 19th June to justify that statement then? First of all, your response is completely irrelevant to the question asked, and secondly, we can assure you that we wouldn't have randomly chosen this subject for the fun of it if it wasn't true? In hindsight, we should've got footage to verify our position on this, then you would've seen for yourself that we've certainly not 'overstated' things as you seem to have assumed, we don't 'enjoy' overstating anything at all no matter what it's about, and we certainly don't enjoy is being subjected to second hand cigarette smoke spoiling our holiday? I rest my case "Lmao | |||
"If I am right and I may not be, the smoking rule was an EU rule. We as country of rule followers eg orderly queueing etc will follow the rules. Other countries especially the ones were they see smoking as a right do not. O a recent trip to Egypt I found my self arguing with Russians, Italians etc who would just walk to the front of the queue. As a ex smoker who still vapes and smoke cigars, especially on holiday. I will follow the rules as I consider myself considerate of others. What does get my back are the waiters and coughers who make a dramatic show when I am smoking in a designated place. I was once sat in a smoking area outside a bar in Spain, a fella came to me and asked me to put out my rather expensive cigar, as his wife was feeling sick. I pointed out that I was in a smoking allowed area designated by a sign and the ash trays on all the tables. He said he knew this but his wife liked a certain table and that I was being inconsiderate to his wife. His wife was sitting at the table doing the waft and cough actions. My smoke going in the opposite direction. At this point I was getting a bit annoyed as I just wanted a quiet afternoon beer, so in my northern charm said F@@k Off. He then went to complain to the bar staff who also pointed out it was a smoking area and he was free to sit anywhere else. They spent the next 15 minutes coughing and wafting before leaving. " You were doing the right thing where you were at in the designated area, but those people were over the top with how they were behaving? Our point is that we don't have an issue with people smoking, it is their choice and to their very high costs, but we do strongly object to being subjected to their habit when they are blatantly ignoring rules surrounding it, when smoking areas are provided for them to smoke, if you can do it, why can't others? Thanks for your response! | |||
"Whilst we're on the subject of antisocial behaviour here's my list of stuff that (in my opinion and I'll admit others may have different ideas) Smoking/vaping in public Drones (fucking hate the whiny things) Paramotor flyers (this and the drones should be covered by the CAA legislature but it's generally ignored around here) Anybody subjecting their choice of music on others on a public beach Disposable barbicues Dog owners who don't clear up after their pet or even worse hang a bag of poo on a tree for the poo fairies to collect Oooh I'm on a roll now ".....lol.....keep going, this is getting better!! | |||
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"Whilst we're on the subject of antisocial behaviour here's my list of stuff that (in my opinion and I'll admit others may have different ideas) Smoking/vaping in public Drones (fucking hate the whiny things) Paramotor flyers (this and the drones should be covered by the CAA legislature but it's generally ignored around here) Anybody subjecting their choice of music on others on a public beach Disposable barbicues Dog owners who don't clear up after their pet or even worse hang a bag of poo on a tree for the poo fairies to collect Oooh I'm on a roll now "I domt disagree with the above however... not just subjecting people to your music on beaches... trains.. oh my god. Buy headphones. I dont wish to listen to your crappy tik tok rubbish, or your shite taste in music or you tube. Buy headphones ! | |||
"Whilst we're on the subject of antisocial behaviour here's my list of stuff that (in my opinion and I'll admit others may have different ideas) Smoking/vaping in public Drones (fucking hate the whiny things) Paramotor flyers (this and the drones should be covered by the CAA legislature but it's generally ignored around here) Anybody subjecting their choice of music on others on a public beach Disposable barbicues Dog owners who don't clear up after their pet or even worse hang a bag of poo on a tree for the poo fairies to collect Oooh I'm on a roll now
.....lol.....keep going, this is getting better!!"I am a dog owner, or should I say owned human. I always pick up after my dog, she knows this and while doing the deed often looks back at me to say this one really stinks. Don’t have a drone problem near me and to be fair not encountered many so would be unfair to comment. As an occasional smoker - I will partake if it is allowed and I am not breaking laws/rules. I do think smoking has been outlawed in enough places now. I do remember the days when you could smoke in any pub, on the bus, even on the plane. Disposable bbqs never used one never will in my eyes much the same as a gas or electric bbq. If you’re going to bbq do it right charcoal and fire. I have a several bbq’s including a Webber go anywhere that as it says can be carried and used anywhere. Music - dependent on if they are playing what I like, I am guilty of having my car stereo to loud especially on certain playlists. But I would add to your list. Annoying engine exhaust noise from bikes and cars which were not made or designed to have them. I have no issue with a M3 or fast Audi piping as it goes by but a two non fiesta sounding the same is ridicules. They are shopping cars for fu&ks sake. | |||
"Whilst we're on the subject of antisocial behaviour here's my list of stuff that (in my opinion and I'll admit others may have different ideas) Smoking/vaping in public Drones (fucking hate the whiny things) Paramotor flyers (this and the drones should be covered by the CAA legislature but it's generally ignored around here) Anybody subjecting their choice of music on others on a public beach Disposable barbicues Dog owners who don't clear up after their pet or even worse hang a bag of poo on a tree for the poo fairies to collect Oooh I'm on a roll now
.....lol.....keep going, this is getting better!!
I am a dog owner, or should I say owned human.
I always pick up after my dog, she knows this and while doing the deed often looks back at me to say this one really stinks.
Don’t have a drone problem near me and to be fair not encountered many so would be unfair to comment.
As an occasional smoker - I will partake if it is allowed and I am not breaking laws/rules. I do think smoking has been outlawed in enough places now. I do remember the days when you could smoke in any pub, on the bus, even on the plane.
Disposable bbqs never used one never will in my eyes much the same as a gas or electric bbq. If you’re going to bbq do it right charcoal and fire. I have a several bbq’s including a Webber go anywhere that as it says can be carried and used anywhere.
Music - dependent on if they are playing what I like, I am guilty of having my car stereo to loud especially on certain playlists.
But I would add to your list.
Annoying engine exhaust noise from bikes and cars which were not made or designed to have them.
I have no issue with a M3 or fast Audi piping as it goes by but a two non fiesta sounding the same is ridicules. They are shopping cars for fu&ks sake. "It's specifically music on a beach that I object too (or indeed at picnic areas etc), if you must have music play it quietly not wound up to 11 - I'm starting to sound a bit victor meldrew  | |||
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"Now this will rattle a few cages, however, all sensible opinions are sought on this, as no doubt people will have strong feelings about it? We've just returned from a two week holiday in the Algarve, it was great, beautiful adults only hotel, nice area and mostly hot weather, just one problem......smoking! The smoking laws in the UK are obviously much stricter than abroad, but it drove us mad! We couldn't even get away from it in the hotel grounds, no matter where we sat or put our sunbeds, the foul stench always wafted in our direction, regardless of the wind direction? There was a designated smoking area clearly marked, yet the inconsiderate f****** just ignored it, and instead, subjected the majority of other guests to their second hand smoke? Yes, this should've been enforced by hotel management, but why do these people insist on ignoring the rules, and pleasing themselves where they carry out the disgusting habit, so..... Do you think that smoking should be banned within the confines of a hotel, building, restaurant, whatever, and like most places here in the UK, if you want to smoke, it should be outside in the public street/designated smoking area? Right, we'll now go and prepare ourselves for the barrage of abuse..... Congratulations. You are literally more of a dictator than the actual Kim Jong Un.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smoking_in_North_Korea
Ahh thank-you, that's the best response so far, you know what you're talking about, good on ya, i like it (-:"That makes sence. The girls did say it was about square meters per business to be fair. But me being me thaught it best to just go over the road. | |||
"I'm sure it wasnt half as bad as you make out, you appear to enjoy overstating things. Oh right, overstating things then? So you were staying at the A P Oriental Beach hotel in Portimao between the 5th and 19th June to justify that statement then? First of all, your response is completely irrelevant to the question asked, and secondly, we can assure you that we wouldn't have randomly chosen this subject for the fun of it if it wasn't true? In hindsight, we should've got footage to verify our position on this, then you would've seen for yourself that we've certainly not 'overstated' things as you seem to have assumed, we don't 'enjoy' overstating anything at all no matter what it's about, and we certainly don't enjoy is being subjected to second hand cigarette smoke spoiling our holiday? I rest my case " | |||
oh look she's put her washing out, let's light the bonfire...
Any way. Once the restaurants found that more patrons were attending their establishments more frequently once they had banned smoking, it really took off in the UK, But lots of European countries smoke heavily, so it wouldn't be in the buisness/governments interest to ban indoor smoking.
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) smoker and have a huge amount of sympathy with the OP. When smoking was banned from inside Pubs in the UK, i was gutted. But, within a few years the benefits were obvious, no more stinky pubs. And yes, even as a smoker i could tell the difference.
The thing i will say about Europe and especially France, Spain, Portugal, Italy and especially Greece is that unless you are in a major city or very large town any and all EU directives are ignored. They simply do not exist as far as smoking is concerned. If the this was the OP's first visit to the Algarve, it will be repeated if you go back.
The reason is very simple, most southern EU countries have huge amounts of people that still smoke and always will do. A business needs there custom when you are not on holiday, that's why they ignore EU directives.
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"As an ex smoker, i now get it. Never understood when i smoked but it stinks. When you smoke, I just dont think people realise how disgusting it smells and for that reason, justify it as oh you are being dramatic etc. But it stinks. Members of my family still smoke and i reckon i could walk around a building following them blindfolded, just following the smell. Its rank. But when you smoke you dont notice it" Yes we see your point and a good point it is too, it is good to hear this argument from someone who has smoked and now doesn't? We fully understand that you'd not notice the smell if you're a smoker yourself? Most of us have walked past some sweaty person in the supermarket and got a whiff of their sweaty rank smell, yet that individual can't smell it him/her self? Good to see it from both sides, thanks for your opinion (-: | |||
