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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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I was listening to the news about it and it gave me a thinking about it and I kind of see the thinking behind it as it isnt a human voice.
Even sting was worried about it and says musicians face "a battle" to defend their work against the rise of songs written by artificial intelligence, he also added that it could clone their voice.
I can also see stings worry and side of it and I totally agree with him, what is your view about it?  |
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over a year ago
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I remember when synthesisers and sampling were going to “kill” the music industry
My daughter is a musician and she’s confident that artists will always find new ways to create original work. |
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AI is the death of creativity and shouldn't be supported.
You can always tell a true artist, writer, musicians work from a fucking bot but it's scary that people out there are using it so much.
People are using it to finish authors stories who haven't uploaded the next chapter.
People are commissioning artists for exclusive works but taking the sketch stage and using AI to finish the piece off and gwt the person out of paying the artist.
AI is a monster and non creative will never see the worry and danger in it.
Skynet is coming. |
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"I remember when synthesisers and sampling were going to “kill” the music industry
My daughter is a musician and she’s confident that artists will always find new ways to create original work. "
Totally agree, there's always going to be an avenue for human creativity. And even so relatively early into the wave of AI generated art in many mediums, people's natural rebellious side are shunning it in favour of purely human mind creations; that'll always be a part of our nature.
At the same time, I reckon there does need to be at least some regulation discussed just to give a little balance/reassurance to people and artists who are looking at it all and thinking 'what's the point'
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"AI is the death of creativity and shouldn't be supported.
You can always tell a true artist, writer, musicians work from a fucking bot but it's scary that people out there are using it so much.
People are using it to finish authors stories who haven't uploaded the next chapter.
People are commissioning artists for exclusive works but taking the sketch stage and using AI to finish the piece off and gwt the person out of paying the artist.
AI is a monster and non creative will never see the worry and danger in it.
Skynet is coming."
I went to a robo cafe recently , robotic chefs powered by AI , the food was bland. None of this AI stuff worries me, Computers can never match human creativity, spontaneity and innovation.
I’d like to see them do something impressive , fake Donald trump and crap pop songs are not really in the top 10 world problems to solve right now are they |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"I remember when synthesisers and sampling were going to “kill” the music industry
My daughter is a musician and she’s confident that artists will always find new ways to create original work.
Totally agree, there's always going to be an avenue for human creativity. And even so relatively early into the wave of AI generated art in many mediums, people's natural rebellious side are shunning it in favour of purely human mind creations; that'll always be a part of our nature.
At the same time, I reckon there does need to be at least some regulation discussed just to give a little balance/reassurance to people and artists who are looking at it all and thinking 'what's the point'
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Intellectual property laws already sufficiently cover it. Anyone can copyright the fake version of their image or voice or any of their unique works and that prevents others from exploiting it |
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"AI is the death of creativity and shouldn't be supported.
You can always tell a true artist, writer, musicians work from a fucking bot but it's scary that people out there are using it so much.
People are using it to finish authors stories who haven't uploaded the next chapter.
People are commissioning artists for exclusive works but taking the sketch stage and using AI to finish the piece off and gwt the person out of paying the artist.
AI is a monster and non creative will never see the worry and danger in it.
Skynet is coming.
I went to a robo cafe recently , robotic chefs powered by AI , the food was bland. None of this AI stuff worries me, Computers can never match human creativity, spontaneity and innovation.
I’d like to see them do something impressive , fake Donald trump and crap pop songs are not really in the top 10 world problems to solve right now are they "
My worry is exactly this if the instruction is ‘AI sort out the biggest issues affected the planet!’ The human race is no1 to get binned. |
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"I remember when synthesisers and sampling were going to “kill” the music industry
My daughter is a musician and she’s confident that artists will always find new ways to create original work.
Totally agree, there's always going to be an avenue for human creativity. And even so relatively early into the wave of AI generated art in many mediums, people's natural rebellious side are shunning it in favour of purely human mind creations; that'll always be a part of our nature.
At the same time, I reckon there does need to be at least some regulation discussed just to give a little balance/reassurance to people and artists who are looking at it all and thinking 'what's the point'
Intellectual property laws already sufficiently cover it. Anyone can copyright the fake version of their image or voice or any of their unique works and that prevents others from exploiting it "
Oh sure on that bit.
I meant more in terms of job security, where writers and artists, especially freelance, are suddenly losing vast amounts of work.
It's growth, and when its faster than expected, there's growing pains I guess |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"I remember when synthesisers and sampling were going to “kill” the music industry
My daughter is a musician and she’s confident that artists will always find new ways to create original work.
Totally agree, there's always going to be an avenue for human creativity. And even so relatively early into the wave of AI generated art in many mediums, people's natural rebellious side are shunning it in favour of purely human mind creations; that'll always be a part of our nature.
At the same time, I reckon there does need to be at least some regulation discussed just to give a little balance/reassurance to people and artists who are looking at it all and thinking 'what's the point'
Intellectual property laws already sufficiently cover it. Anyone can copyright the fake version of their image or voice or any of their unique works and that prevents others from exploiting it
Oh sure on that bit.
I meant more in terms of job security, where writers and artists, especially freelance, are suddenly losing vast amounts of work.
It's growth, and when its faster than expected, there's growing pains I guess"
The development of shipping containers eliminated dockers as a profession. I have no doubt AI will also eliminate some professions. It's already having an impact in journalism and copy writing. The writers strike in the US has led to AI generated scripts. So far the results are poor but will improve. |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"AI is the death of creativity and shouldn't be supported.
You can always tell a true artist, writer, musicians work from a fucking bot but it's scary that people out there are using it so much.
People are using it to finish authors stories who haven't uploaded the next chapter.
People are commissioning artists for exclusive works but taking the sketch stage and using AI to finish the piece off and gwt the person out of paying the artist.
AI is a monster and non creative will never see the worry and danger in it.
Skynet is coming."
Yes, you are right there and yes, you can tell if it is a true artist or not, they didnt need it back in the days
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I've said it before and I'll keep saying it.
Humans like to create, we love it.
AI will become dominant within all aspects of creation, and this will change the landscape of music, mostly from a financial perspective as companies/employers/labels will likely opt to use AI as it will probably be much cheaper than hiring musicians.
But this wont stop people from making music.
People love live music, people love watching a bands, orchestras and DJs.
As a musician I am excited to see what we can do with AI... I see it as a tool to help develop my own ideas rather than something to replace them.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I've said it before and I'll keep saying it.
Humans like to create, we love it.
AI will become dominant within all aspects of creation, and this will change the landscape of music, mostly from a financial perspective as companies/employers/labels will likely opt to use AI as it will probably be much cheaper than hiring musicians.
But this wont stop people from making music.
People love live music, people love watching a bands, orchestras and DJs.
As a musician I am excited to see what we can do with AI... I see it as a tool to help develop my own ideas rather than something to replace them.
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I agree with what you have said about people will still be creative and will use AI to help them.
I'm more worried for day to day jobs. Companies are always looking to save money and AI is going to hit every industry like a train wreck.
2 years ago the average person knew shit about how advanced AI was or could be. Look at it now, it's still early stages but it's everywhere and is becoming more accessible.
With it becoming more accessible, more people are working on developing it further, they will be using input and data from the people using the services which in turn will make it even better.
Maybe completely different topic but remember when China got hit with COVID, everyone was saying it won't reach us etc, within weeks the UK was on its knees.
The same thing will happen with AI. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If we didn’t do it when auto tune came out I don’t see a reason to do it now.
If anything, I think it will reignite popular interest in live music which can only be a good thing in my book |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Travelling |
"I remember when synthesisers and sampling were going to “kill” the music industry
My daughter is a musician and she’s confident that artists will always find new ways to create original work.
Totally agree, there's always going to be an avenue for human creativity. And even so relatively early into the wave of AI generated art in many mediums, people's natural rebellious side are shunning it in favour of purely human mind creations; that'll always be a part of our nature.
At the same time, I reckon there does need to be at least some regulation discussed just to give a little balance/reassurance to people and artists who are looking at it all and thinking 'what's the point'
Intellectual property laws already sufficiently cover it. Anyone can copyright the fake version of their image or voice or any of their unique works and that prevents others from exploiting it
Oh sure on that bit.
I meant more in terms of job security, where writers and artists, especially freelance, are suddenly losing vast amounts of work.
It's growth, and when its faster than expected, there's growing pains I guess
The development of shipping containers eliminated dockers as a profession. I have no doubt AI will also eliminate some professions. It's already having an impact in journalism and copy writing. The writers strike in the US has led to AI generated scripts. So far the results are poor but will improve. "
To be fair, a good amount of scripts from actual "creative" people are poor too.
There is a reason Disney are doing reboots, because it's less risky than attempting new scripts from an already bankrupt pool of creativity. |
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It's the same as real singers using auto tune, it makes it totally iterative shit. But, it doesn’t matter, if the industry pumps out 10,000 bits of rubbish and 1 genuine song it will just get lost. People don't listen to this because they like it, they just aren't given an alternative. Thanks to Simon Cowell and people like him, the music industry is no longer an art, it's a business. |
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"I've said it before and I'll keep saying it.
Humans like to create, we love it.
AI will become dominant within all aspects of creation, and this will change the landscape of music, mostly from a financial perspective as companies/employers/labels will likely opt to use AI as it will probably be much cheaper than hiring musicians.
But this wont stop people from making music.
People love live music, people love watching a bands, orchestras and DJs.
As a musician I am excited to see what we can do with AI... I see it as a tool to help develop my own ideas rather than something to replace them.
I agree with what you have said about people will still be creative and will use AI to help them.
I'm more worried for day to day jobs. Companies are always looking to save money and AI is going to hit every industry like a train wreck.
2 years ago the average person knew shit about how advanced AI was or could be. Look at it now, it's still early stages but it's everywhere and is becoming more accessible.
With it becoming more accessible, more people are working on developing it further, they will be using input and data from the people using the services which in turn will make it even better.
Maybe completely different topic but remember when China got hit with COVID, everyone was saying it won't reach us etc, within weeks the UK was on its knees.
The same thing will happen with AI. "
I completely agree with you about how it will affect the business/financial side of things.
Companies will 100% opt for the cheaper solution.
In a way though, that means that human made music will become sort of artisan and bespoke, potentially opening up a market of horrendously expensive music that has been crafted by a human and not churned out by some soulless AI... but then again, it won't be long before AI music can imitate a humans touch and no one will know the difference. |
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The same thing can be said of ai art. In fact there's a article on the bbc about this it being used to create fake child porn!. Obviously this is banned and is good that it is. However it begs the question if that's banned why isn't copying someone else voice not. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"I remember when synthesisers and sampling were going to “kill” the music industry
My daughter is a musician and she’s confident that artists will always find new ways to create original work.
Totally agree, there's always going to be an avenue for human creativity. And even so relatively early into the wave of AI generated art in many mediums, people's natural rebellious side are shunning it in favour of purely human mind creations; that'll always be a part of our nature.
At the same time, I reckon there does need to be at least some regulation discussed just to give a little balance/reassurance to people and artists who are looking at it all and thinking 'what's the point'
Intellectual property laws already sufficiently cover it. Anyone can copyright the fake version of their image or voice or any of their unique works and that prevents others from exploiting it
Oh sure on that bit.
I meant more in terms of job security, where writers and artists, especially freelance, are suddenly losing vast amounts of work.
It's growth, and when its faster than expected, there's growing pains I guess
The development of shipping containers eliminated dockers as a profession. I have no doubt AI will also eliminate some professions. It's already having an impact in journalism and copy writing. The writers strike in the US has led to AI generated scripts. So far the results are poor but will improve.
To be fair, a good amount of scripts from actual "creative" people are poor too.
There is a reason Disney are doing reboots, because it's less risky than attempting new scripts from an already bankrupt pool of creativity."
Script quality is a separate issue. It has already affected some professions and if the tech is good enough to replace humans then that is whats going to happen. |
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"I was listening to the news about it and it gave me a thinking about it and I kind of see the thinking behind it as it isnt a human voice.
Even sting was worried about it and says musicians face "a battle" to defend their work against the rise of songs written by artificial intelligence, he also added that it could clone their voice.
I can also see stings worry and side of it and I totally agree with him, what is your view about it? "
I wish they could sample Axl Roses voice from 1987 instead of that diabolical row at Glastonbury the other night. |
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"Everything AI related should come with a warning and nothing will ever convince me otherwise.
What would the warning be though?"
Highly possible malicious use for the start, as well as unclear legal regulations. |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"Everything AI related should come with a warning and nothing will ever convince me otherwise.
What would the warning be though?
Highly possible malicious use for the start, as well as unclear legal regulations. "
Yes, it should be a warning on it too and for music it could be "this voice is ai generated" that way, the person can decide if they want to support it or not. I think it would be a good idea too |
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"I reckon that the reason why so much is ai generated nowadays and cloned is because there really isnt any more new ideas for music, most things have been done "
Well back in 2019 a musician/lawyer Damien Rhiel teamed up with his friend Noah Rubin a computer programmer/musician to create a piece of software called Allthemusic that could calculate every possible melody within one octave starting from middle C, in both the major and minor scales. They achieved this using a process called brute forcing (a process through which a computer will systematically run through every possible combination of pre-determined parameters to find an answer, usually someone's password). They left the algorithm to run in the background and after six days it had calculated 68.7 billion melodic combinations.
So, is originality even possible? Well, it depends on how you want to approach it, yes, every melody has been written and copywritten and in time the code will be expanded to contain all 88 notes of a piano in every possible combination, which would equate to 216 sextillion melodies… just for reference this is what 26 sextillion looks like 26,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.
When this happens originality in melody will no longer be possible, whatever tune you absentmindedly whistle whilst making your coffee will have been written by this software already... doesn’t that suck the wind out of your creativity?
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"Everything AI related should come with a warning and nothing will ever convince me otherwise.
What would the warning be though?
Highly possible malicious use for the start, as well as unclear legal regulations. "
AI is an umbrella term and covers different applications. It's here already and it's use is only going to increase. The ai tools aren't the danger, it is how and what they're used for. Your life is probably already affected by AI.
I think that education is one sector where AI is already the elephant in the room. |
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"I was listening to the news about it and it gave me a thinking about it and I kind of see the thinking behind it as it isnt a human voice.
Even sting was worried about it and says musicians face "a battle" to defend their work against the rise of songs written by artificial intelligence, he also added that it could clone their voice.
I can also see stings worry and side of it and I totally agree with him, what is your view about it? "
I can kind of see Sting's view. People want to "protect" the unique things about their skills, which they may have worked hard for.
AI democratises and levels the playing field. It removes barriers of entry in some areas. To that end, I support it because I've never been a fan of protectionism. Sting might argue that he only got where he was/is via hard work, and thus only a few can make it. Now more than a few can do the same thing, faster, easier and to a standard that will make others notice. Sting needs to "get with the program" and use AI creatively. After all, he's supposed to be creative, right ? Show us then what you can do, dear Sting. |
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By *TG3Man
over a year ago
Dorchester |
"I was listening to the news about it and it gave me a thinking about it and I kind of see the thinking behind it as it isnt a human voice.
Even sting was worried about it and says musicians face "a battle" to defend their work against the rise of songs written by artificial intelligence, he also added that it could clone their voice.
I can also see stings worry and side of it and I totally agree with him, what is your view about it? "
all stingers should be worried  |
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