"If you could afford it you'd go. Once in a life time chance well worth the risk. Live life to full no regrets"
I doubt that teenager thought he had lived life to the full. just because you can afford something doesn’t mean you need to do it |
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"Titan landing gear and end cone found in debris."
I didnt think anything fishy at all til this.
Everything i have read about the water pressure down there says they should be the size of a can of . So how is identifiable debri turning up
It wouldnt surprise me if debri was faked because now people need closure … the search cant just go on forever but the world is invested in the story now |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"Titan landing gear and end cone found in debris.
I didnt think anything fishy at all til this.
Everything i have read about the water pressure down there says they should be the size of a can of . So how is identifiable debri turning up
It wouldnt surprise me if debri was faked because now people need closure … the search cant just go on forever but the world is invested in the story now "
With all those billionaires on it I suspect some insurance companies will be shifting themselves.
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*til they turn up on a desert island somewhere like that bloke that went missing in a canoe.......  |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"Titan landing gear and end cone found in debris.
I didnt think anything fishy at all til this.
Everything i have read about the water pressure down there says they should be the size of a can of . So how is identifiable debri turning up
It wouldnt surprise me if debri was faked because now people need closure … the search cant just go on forever but the world is invested in the story now
With all those billionaires on it I suspect some insurance companies will be shifting themselves.
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*til they turn up on a desert island somewhere like that bloke that went missing in a canoe....... "
*Shitting - not shifting. 
Why would they be looking to relocate at a time like this? 
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*brexit, obvs......   |
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"Titan landing gear and end cone found in debris.
I didnt think anything fishy at all til this.
Everything i have read about the water pressure down there says they should be the size of a can of . So how is identifiable debri turning up
It wouldnt surprise me if debri was faked because now people need closure … the search cant just go on forever but the world is invested in the story now "
The hollow stuff can obviously be compressed, but not things that are solid, such as metal landing struts etc. |
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"Titan landing gear and end cone found in debris.
I didnt think anything fishy at all til this.
Everything i have read about the water pressure down there says they should be the size of a can of . So how is identifiable debri turning up
It wouldnt surprise me if debri was faked because now people need closure … the search cant just go on forever but the world is invested in the story now "
think of it another way….
Have you ever squashed a drinks can before?… Could you still recognise that it was a drinks can at one point? |
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"Titan landing gear and end cone found in debris.
I didnt think anything fishy at all til this.
Everything i have read about the water pressure down there says they should be the size of a can of . So how is identifiable debri turning up
It wouldnt surprise me if debri was faked because now people need closure … the search cant just go on forever but the world is invested in the story now think of it another way….
Have you ever squashed a drinks can before?… Could you still recognise that it was a drinks can at one point?"
Yeah but if probably has the coca cola logo on it and it was squashed by my foot not the weight of the bottom of the ocean lol
I guess what the poster above said about the non hollow parts makes sense |
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"Titan landing gear and end cone found in debris.
I didnt think anything fishy at all til this.
Everything i have read about the water pressure down there says they should be the size of a can of . So how is identifiable debri turning up
It wouldnt surprise me if debri was faked because now people need closure … the search cant just go on forever but the world is invested in the story now think of it another way….
Have you ever squashed a drinks can before?… Could you still recognise that it was a drinks can at one point?
Yeah but if probably has the coca cola logo on it and it was squashed by my foot not the weight of the bottom of the ocean lol
I guess what the poster above said about the non hollow parts makes sense "
I was also the poster above |
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"Titan landing gear and end cone found in debris.
I didnt think anything fishy at all til this.
Everything i have read about the water pressure down there says they should be the size of a can of . So how is identifiable debri turning up
It wouldnt surprise me if debri was faked because now people need closure … the search cant just go on forever but the world is invested in the story now think of it another way….
Have you ever squashed a drinks can before?… Could you still recognise that it was a drinks can at one point?
Yeah but if probably has the coca cola logo on it and it was squashed by my foot not the weight of the bottom of the ocean lol
I guess what the poster above said about the non hollow parts makes sense
I was also the poster above"
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"If you could afford it you'd go. Once in a life time chance well worth the risk. Live life to full no regrets"
I wouldn't, no matter how much money I had.
You couldn't give me enough money to go on that submarine or any other one; I get claustrophobic in a car with the windows closed! |
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I don’t want to sound too unsympathetic but the amount of media attention on this is so disproportionate.
If we think about other sea going vessels that get lost at sea with only a fraction of the attention. The Clipper Round the World race has had several tragedies and I am guessing not many people on here have heard about those.
Billionaires have enough sycophants surrounding them, spending obscene sums of money on an extreme tourist cruise did not eliminate the risk and the amount of resource spent trying to find them was ridiculous. There was never going to be a rescue. Read about the Kursk, fascinating and incredibly challenging. |
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"I don’t want to sound too unsympathetic but the amount of media attention on this is so disproportionate."
Is t it just?
Five multi-millionaires / billionaires instantly lose lives lost in high risk vanity pursuit as vessel implodes. World wide media attention and rescue efforts.
Five hundred migrants suffer slower death by drowning trapped in a ship in the Mediterranean while trying to make a better lives for their families… world shrugs its shoulders.
The inequality we tolerate makes me sick. |
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"I don’t want to sound too unsympathetic but the amount of media attention on this is so disproportionate.
Is t it just?
Five multi-millionaires / billionaires instantly lose lives lost in high risk vanity pursuit as vessel implodes. World wide media attention and rescue efforts.
Five hundred migrants suffer slower death by drowning trapped in a ship in the Mediterranean while trying to make a better lives for their families… world shrugs its shoulders.
The inequality we tolerate makes me sick."
We know why 
But anyway the CEO of this thing sounds like he was an arrogant prick destined to meet death on this journey. |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
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"I don’t want to sound too unsympathetic but the amount of media attention on this is so disproportionate.
Is t it just?
Five multi-millionaires / billionaires instantly lose lives lost in high risk vanity pursuit as vessel implodes. World wide media attention and rescue efforts.
Five hundred migrants suffer slower death by drowning trapped in a ship in the Mediterranean while trying to make a better lives for their families… world shrugs its shoulders.
The inequality we tolerate makes me sick."
I don't care about either if that helps |
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I was saying only the other day that I didn't see this having a happy ending.
The front viewport was only certified for 1,300 meters whereas Titantic is 3,800 meters down.
There were reports of a chap who had been sacked from the company after raising safety concerns.
What did surprise me though was that Paul-Henrt Nargeolet was on the sub. He's an experienced deep sea explorer and has dived Titanic many times before. I would have thought, with his experience, he might have noticed things on the sub.
Very sad, but it was an accident waiting to happen |
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"I don’t want to sound too unsympathetic but the amount of media attention on this is so disproportionate.
Is t it just?
Five multi-millionaires / billionaires instantly lose lives lost in high risk vanity pursuit as vessel implodes. World wide media attention and rescue efforts.
Five hundred migrants suffer slower death by drowning trapped in a ship in the Mediterranean while trying to make a better lives for their families… world shrugs its shoulders.
The inequality we tolerate makes me sick.
We know why
But anyway the CEO of this thing sounds like he was an arrogant prick destined to meet death on this journey. "
It's a shame he took other people with him.
Maybe people will stop listening to douchebros and understand that regulations are often written in blood. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"I couldnt help thinking the sub looked like a fleshlight from certain angles but accept my mind may be warped.
Maybe a boy whale thought the same "
A boy sperm whale, probs......
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"Ahhhh bring on the conspiracy theorists. Lmfao. Not meant to be there. It f ucked up. Job done.
Waiting to hear bill gates involvement. "
5G fucked up the sat nav and they got lost. 
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"Ahhhh bring on the conspiracy theorists. Lmfao. Not meant to be there. It f ucked up. Job done.
Waiting to hear bill gates involvement.
5G fucked up the sat nav and they got lost.
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Vaccine apocalypse something something |
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Considering that there was no apparent emergency backup, I wouldn't dream of using such a service, however much I'd want to see the Titanic. They took that risk and were content with it, it's just tragic that their worst nightmare resulted |
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"Ahhhh bring on the conspiracy theorists. Lmfao. Not meant to be there. It f ucked up. Job done.
Waiting to hear bill gates involvement.
5G fucked up the sat nav and they got lost.
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Vaccine apocalypse something something "
Thanks Pfizer |
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"Ahhhh bring on the conspiracy theorists. Lmfao. Not meant to be there. It f ucked up. Job done.
Waiting to hear bill gates involvement.
5G fucked up the sat nav and they got lost.
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Vaccine apocalypse something something
Thanks Pfizer "
They're just servants of the almighty Gates |
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"I don’t want to sound too unsympathetic but the amount of media attention on this is so disproportionate.
Is t it just?
Five multi-millionaires / billionaires instantly lose lives lost in high risk vanity pursuit as vessel implodes. World wide media attention and rescue efforts.
Five hundred migrants suffer slower death by drowning trapped in a ship in the Mediterranean while trying to make a better lives for their families… world shrugs its shoulders.
The inequality we tolerate makes me sick."
Not just on the media, but also the social media and Fab forums. |
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"If you could afford it you'd go. Once in a life time chance well worth the risk. Live life to full no regrets
I doubt that teenager thought he had lived life to the full. just because you can afford something doesn’t mean you need to do it "
This!! Even if we were billionaires we could think of so many better things to spend a couple of hundred grand on!! |
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By *TG3Man
over a year ago
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Some would say a risk too far to go down to a depth of 3,800 m in a sub thats viewing window is only safe to 1,300 m is i would say a risk too much and a worse death i couldn't think of but i guess you'd die pretty quick, water pressure and temperature, RIP to all on board |
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"Did you know that the Titan 1c was the world's first single use submarine.
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I know it's a joke, but the Titan has actually been in use since 2018 and made more than 50 Dives. It has made three previous dives to The Titanic, there were technical issues on two of those trips. It had a record of SIX trips hit by technical issues over it's five years in use. |
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"Did you know that the Titan 1c was the world's first single use submarine.
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I know it's a joke, but the Titan has actually been in use since 2018 and made more than 50 Dives. It has made three previous dives to The Titanic, there were technical issues on two of those trips. It had a record of SIX trips hit by technical issues over it's five years in use."
The company's approach to the design and production of the sub seems to be questionable, which then makes you wonder about the maintenance regime / was it tested for stress fractures, etc after the previous dives.
The only good thing is that those onboard wouldn't have known anything about the implosion and would have died instantly, though its heartbreaking to think that they knew they were in trouble with little chance of rescue beforehand. RIP. |
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"The sharks, sorry the lawyers will be getting ready to feast now. They will litigate this one to the bottom of the ocean "
I was thinking the very same but the incident happened in International Waters and also all of the passengers, when they handed their £250k fare over, all signed waivers. So, yes, the lawyers will still have a field day as you suggest but it'll be even more messy surely. |
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"The sharks, sorry the lawyers will be getting ready to feast now. They will litigate this one to the bottom of the ocean
I was thinking the very same but the incident happened in International Waters and also all of the passengers, when they handed their £250k fare over, all signed waivers. So, yes, the lawyers will still have a field day as you suggest but it'll be even more messy surely. "
I think that waivers would be "null & void" if negligence could be proven... A poor maintenance record, documented safety concerns over design, etc |
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over a year ago
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"Did you know that the Titan 1c was the world's first single use submarine.
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I know it's a joke, but the Titan has actually been in use since 2018 and made more than 50 Dives. It has made three previous dives to The Titanic, there were technical issues on two of those trips. It had a record of SIX trips hit by technical issues over it's five years in use."
It's a line from 'Cunk on Earth' referring to the actual Titanic.
Titan1c.........
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"The sharks, sorry the lawyers will be getting ready to feast now. They will litigate this one to the bottom of the ocean
I was thinking the very same but the incident happened in International Waters and also all of the passengers, when they handed their £250k fare over, all signed waivers. So, yes, the lawyers will still have a field day as you suggest but it'll be even more messy surely.
I think that waivers would be "null & void" if negligence could be proven... A poor maintenance record, documented safety concerns over design, etc"
Again I'd think the very same. But according to a news item I heard this aft apparently not. With it being International Waters that's how they managed to operate. They also interviewed one of the stars of the Simpsons who has been down (and back) in this sub and he was mentioning all the waivers etc... The word "death" cropped up a lot he said.
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"The sharks, sorry the lawyers will be getting ready to feast now. They will litigate this one to the bottom of the ocean
I was thinking the very same but the incident happened in International Waters and also all of the passengers, when they handed their £250k fare over, all signed waivers. So, yes, the lawyers will still have a field day as you suggest but it'll be even more messy surely.
I think that waivers would be "null & void" if negligence could be proven... A poor maintenance record, documented safety concerns over design, etc
Again I'd think the very same. But according to a news item I heard this aft apparently not. With it being International Waters that's how they managed to operate. They also interviewed one of the stars of the Simpsons who has been down (and back) in this sub and he was mentioning all the waivers etc... The word "death" cropped up a lot he said.
I'm sure the law will change after this. Surely it has to!"
Just because it happened in international waters doesn't avoid legal liability. In international waters the state that the vessel is registered to has legal jurisdiction (in this case its Canada).
Yes, the lawyers will have a field day and waivers can be overturned. Bear in mind the wealth that the victims had and the financial capabilities of their families to pursue this. There is also the possibility of a class action, where they could combine their financial resources (though in reality, this wouldn't be necessary).
However, this all relates to civil proceedings and there is the potential criminal negligence side, which cannot be avoided with waivers. Corporate manslaughter does not exist in Canadian law, but criminal negligence does and this can apply to individuals within a corporation, so undoubtedly the authorities and lawyers will be looking into this too. |
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"I think that waivers would be "null & void" if negligence could be proven... A poor maintenance record, documented safety concerns over design, etc"
From my motorsport background, the club I was part off was sued by a driver who was injured competing at an event. His argument was the track was in a dangerous condition. Our argument was you’ve signed a waiver, you knew the track, yet took part so don’t have a case. The waiver was produced by international motorsport authorities, approved by our insurers, and used widely. The judge ruled quite quickly that the waiver was null and void because it required the signatory to sign their rights away. We lost the case. So, waivers… not worth the paper they are written on.
In this case, it was a commercial operation. They paid money to a (I’m assuming) US company. International waters doesn’t matter… if negligence can be proven. The families and the businesses behind them have resources to take action against the company to make good their financial losses.
Regaling their final moments, a hull failure at that depth would be catastrophic… it is highly unlikely they would have even known that they had a problem before imploding. There will not be anything to recover. |
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"If you could afford it you'd go. Once in a life time chance well worth the risk. Live life to full no regrets
Does dying young class as living life to the full?"
No but not going he could have regretted it the rest of his life. What's sad I saw today he didn't want to go but did it for his Dad. |
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"If you could afford it you'd go. Once in a life time chance well worth the risk. Live life to full no regrets
Does dying young class as living life to the full?
No but not going he could have regretted it the rest of his life. What's sad I saw today he didn't want to go but did it for his Dad. "
He probably did regret it for the rest of his life. |
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"Just because it happened in international waters doesn't avoid legal liability. In international waters the state that the vessel is registered to has legal jurisdiction (in this case its Canada)."
Our understanding is the Canadian ship was hired by the sub company purely as transport. Not as any form of support or base of operations. The sub was untethered, fully autonomous, and owned and operated independently of the ship company.
That makes the transport ship nothing more than a man-with-a-van. If you got someone to transport a piece of kit from A to B, hang around while you use it at point B, then take you back to point A; they can not be held responsible if that piece of kit is knackered and you nominate yourself for the Darwin Awards that year.
It's got to be entirely the responsibility of the sub company and design engineers. Unless the construction company also had any input into the design and operational specs, they are also off the cook. |
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