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By *uvery30Woman
over a year ago
Gloucestershire |
"100% no. Definitely others out there
That degree of confidence always stands out for me. I've heard 'there just has to be'
It's akin to faith rather than based on fact."
I'm definitely confident there is other life.
Be it its starting out just as we did or ending as we will.
Or completely different who knows that. But there is other life |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"100% no. Definitely others out there
That degree of confidence always stands out for me. I've heard 'there just has to be'
It's akin to faith rather than based on fact."
Given the billions of galaxies out there, each of which contains billions of solar systems, it’s essentially impossible that Earth would be the only one capable of sustaining intelligent life. |
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By *acktopervMan
over a year ago
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"Given the billions of galaxies out there, each of which contains billions of solar systems, it’s essentially impossible that Earth would be the only one capable of sustaining intelligent life."
It dosn't even have to intelligent life, all it has to be is life. |
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"This rocky little dot we call home. Do you think it's the only one with crittery bits crawling around its surface  "
The universe must be teeming with life. We can't be the only life form on this infinitely mind-boggling expanse of a universe.
To think that we are the only form of life is rather a peculiar take on things. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think it's extremely arrogant to assume that we are the only planet with life in this vast universe.
Our Sun is one of billions and billions of stars in our galaxy alone. And as has been discovered already there are many, many other stars with planetary systems.
And our galaxy is one in billions.
So, one star out of billions and billions and billions the only system with life
Sorry, I just don't buy it.
There must be other life out there |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"100% no. Definitely others out there
That degree of confidence always stands out for me. I've heard 'there just has to be'
It's akin to faith rather than based on fact.
I'm definitely confident there is other life.
Be it its starting out just as we did or ending as we will.
Or completely different who knows that. But there is other life "
And is this confidence based on any verifiable proof? |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Travelling |
It's a tricky one.
A planet like earth with the exact same conditions to support life like Earth does, chances are low.
However life on a planet without the exact same conditions as Earth is likely. |
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"And is this confidence based on any verifiable proof?
There is NO verifiable that life outside of planet earth dosn't exist either."
So there's no proof there is, no proof there isn't.
So therefore the answer is maybe, not definitely. If we're being logical |
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By *uvery30Woman
over a year ago
Gloucestershire |
"And is this confidence based on any verifiable proof?
There is NO verifiable that life outside of planet earth dosn't exist either."
This ^
The odds of nothing being out there, to there being life is completely out number |
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By *uvery30Woman
over a year ago
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"It's a tricky one.
A planet like earth with the exact same conditions to support life like Earth does, chances are low.
However life on a planet without the exact same conditions as Earth is likely. "
They have found one that really close to being just like us. The only thing difference is the atmosphere is lower meaning the gravity pull is stronger.
So for life to live there things would need to be bigger I.e feet ect or more legs to support its self from being pulled down to the ground |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"100% no. Definitely others out there
That degree of confidence always stands out for me. I've heard 'there just has to be'
It's akin to faith rather than based on fact.
I'm definitely confident there is other life.
Be it its starting out just as we did or ending as we will.
Or completely different who knows that. But there is other life
And is this confidence based on any verifiable proof?"
The Earth-type planets that have already been discovered? |
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The way I logic this out, usually in the context of have we been visited by UFOs
The universe is infinite
The conditions required to create life are likely very rare
Infinite plus incredibly rare - I'd say there's probably other life
But what kind of life?
The conditions required for any life are unlikely given any of the ways planets form and are situated. The more complex the life, the less likely it is
So, there might be viruses or there precursors on other planets - other things are much less likely
Add in the vast distances of space. On the extreme off chance that a life form sophisticated enough for space travel exists, are the distances imagined even feasible for any life form?
Basically, there's probably life on the basis of probability, but it's probably about as complex as your kid's most recent ear infection. If it is more complicated, the odds are good that it's too far away for us to ever know about it |
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Not all life lasts forever and even planets with life may not have it for much of their existence.
The probability for mutually concurrent life existing is obviously lower than it having ever lived in more than 1 place.
I think it's likely that life has been or will exist elsewhere. I'm less confident that it currently exists |
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"Not all life lasts forever and even planets with life may not have it for much of their existence.
The probability for mutually concurrent life existing is obviously lower than it having ever lived in more than 1 place.
I think it's likely that life has been or will exist elsewhere. I'm less confident that it currently exists "
I didn't add the infinite of time into what I was saying, which is also a good point |
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On the contrary, if the universe is infinite then there will be an info number of alien species. Additionally, there will be an infinite number of absolutely identical humans on and infinite identical worlds following identical life’s and history’s. Trouble with infinity is that it makes the totally weird and bizarre and rare and improbably unusual, totally usual and….infinitely occurring. |
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Take this as an example...
There are more stars in our own Galaxy than there are grains of sand on Bondi Beach ...
And that's just our Galaxy..
There are roughly 200,000,000,000 Galaxies in the observable universe..
Each of those Galaxies has billions and billions of Stars and trillions and trillions of planets ..
There is more chance of you winning the Euromillions jackpot every week until you die ( statistically) than our planet being the only inhabited one in the entire universe  |
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"100% no. Definitely others out there
That degree of confidence always stands out for me. I've heard 'there just has to be'
It's akin to faith rather than based on fact.
Given the billions of galaxies out there, each of which contains billions of solar systems, it’s essentially impossible that Earth would be the only one capable of sustaining intelligent life."
There's a growing number of scientists that might disagree, took 2 billion years for single cell life to become multiple cell life, it's very possible there is no other intelligent life, certainly none we will ever make contact with |
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"On the contrary, if the universe is infinite then there will be an info number of alien species. Additionally, there will be an infinite number of absolutely identical humans on and infinite identical worlds following identical life’s and history’s. Trouble with infinity is that it makes the totally weird and bizarre and rare and improbably unusual, totally usual and….infinitely occurring. "
An expanding universe that's infinite, so infinity can get bigger, how does that work |
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"On the contrary, if the universe is infinite then there will be an info number of alien species. Additionally, there will be an infinite number of absolutely identical humans on and infinite identical worlds following identical life’s and history’s. Trouble with infinity is that it makes the totally weird and bizarre and rare and improbably unusual, totally usual and….infinitely occurring.
An expanding universe that's infinite, so infinity can get bigger, how does that work "
Even weirder, is the fact that the edge goes faster. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Given the billions of galaxies out there, each of which contains billions of solar systems, it’s essentially impossible that Earth would be the only one capable of sustaining intelligent life."
Wait.. There is intelligent life on Earth?  
Doesn't have to be anything like life on this rock. Just some kind of critter crawling around reproducing themselves on that rock like happens on this one. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"And is this confidence based on any verifiable proof?
There is NO verifiable that life outside of planet earth dosn't exist either.
This ^
The odds of nothing being out there, to there being life is completely out number "
Absolutely not this, science is based on proof. A hypothesis is proposed, a proposed explanation for something unknown, the hypothesis is compared to what we know and proved already and the hypothesis is tested by evidence and experiment.
It's not based on disproving an assumption. A legal trial presumes innocence and tries to prove guilt, not assuming guilt and attempting to prove innocence. Witch Trials assumed often assumed guilt by way of counterpoint
What evidence would you offer to disprove a claim that someone is a witch?
You are certainly entitled to your belief that we are not the only life form in the universe. But this belief isn't based on observable knowledge and a proven hypothesis. Rather there just has to be.
That's why I said it's more akin to faith. Faith isn't based on fact but beliefs. |
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"On the contrary, if the universe is infinite then there will be an info number of alien species. Additionally, there will be an infinite number of absolutely identical humans on and infinite identical worlds following identical life’s and history’s. Trouble with infinity is that it makes the totally weird and bizarre and rare and improbably unusual, totally usual and….infinitely occurring.
An expanding universe that's infinite, so infinity can get bigger, how does that work
Even weirder, is the fact that the edge goes faster. "
Not if it's finite of course, it just means it's stretchy |
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"And is this confidence based on any verifiable proof?
There is NO verifiable that life outside of planet earth dosn't exist either.
This ^
The odds of nothing being out there, to there being life is completely out number
Absolutely not this, science is based on proof. A hypothesis is proposed, a proposed explanation for something unknown, the hypothesis is compared to what we know and proved already and the hypothesis is tested by evidence and experiment.
It's not based on disproving an assumption. A legal trial presumes innocence and tries to prove guilt, not assuming guilt and attempting to prove innocence. Witch Trials assumed often assumed guilt by way of counterpoint
What evidence would you offer to disprove a claim that someone is a witch?
You are certainly entitled to your belief that we are not the only life form in the universe. But this belief isn't based on observable knowledge and a proven hypothesis. Rather there just has to be.
That's why I said it's more akin to faith. Faith isn't based on fact but beliefs."
Faith isn't based on laws of probability or statistics though |
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"On the contrary, if the universe is infinite then there will be an info number of alien species. Additionally, there will be an infinite number of absolutely identical humans on and infinite identical worlds following identical life’s and history’s. Trouble with infinity is that it makes the totally weird and bizarre and rare and improbably unusual, totally usual and….infinitely occurring.
An expanding universe that's infinite, so infinity can get bigger, how does that work
Even weirder, is the fact that the edge goes faster.
Not if it's finite of course, it just means it's stretchy "
Like a cock or a foof. Fancy that! |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"And is this confidence based on any verifiable proof?
There is NO verifiable that life outside of planet earth dosn't exist either.
This ^
The odds of nothing being out there, to there being life is completely out number
Absolutely not this, science is based on proof. A hypothesis is proposed, a proposed explanation for something unknown, the hypothesis is compared to what we know and proved already and the hypothesis is tested by evidence and experiment.
It's not based on disproving an assumption. A legal trial presumes innocence and tries to prove guilt, not assuming guilt and attempting to prove innocence. Witch Trials assumed often assumed guilt by way of counterpoint
What evidence would you offer to disprove a claim that someone is a witch?
You are certainly entitled to your belief that we are not the only life form in the universe. But this belief isn't based on observable knowledge and a proven hypothesis. Rather there just has to be.
That's why I said it's more akin to faith. Faith isn't based on fact but beliefs.
Faith isn't based on laws of probability or statistics though "
No it's based on belief without proof like the assumption of the existence other life forms without proof. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Considering me and T quite clearly saw a UFO a couple of weeks ago, clear as day, no we’re not!
He wouldn’t have believed me if I hadn’t have screamed for him to enter the kitchen immediately to look at what I could see.
Mrs |
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"This rocky little dot we call home. Do you think it's the only one with crittery bits crawling around its surface
Come across some questionable life forms on fab. "
Have you been looking in the mirror again? |
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"Considering me and T quite clearly saw a UFO a couple of weeks ago, clear as day, no we’re not!
He wouldn’t have believed me if I hadn’t have screamed for him to enter the kitchen immediately to look at what I could see.
Mrs "
What did it look like? |
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By *r.SJMan
over a year ago
Wellingborough |
Beyond the statistical likelihood of their being another similar planet and then the discussions regard what type of life because it wouldn't survive etc. If we ourselves were slightly more intelligent, then why can't we also be open to the fact that just because it's what we need to live... why would an alternate species require the same?
I think yes, got to be and that we're narrow minded to rule it out on the probability of life based on our science and needs. |
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"Probably not, but there's really no point in caring as they'd be too far away for it to ever affect our lives"
Unless they have hyperdrive or warp speed or use a wormhole or Dune Spice to bend space. |
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"Probably not, but there's really no point in caring as they'd be too far away for it to ever affect our lives
Unless they have hyperdrive or warp speed or use a wormhole or Dune Spice to bend space. "
Because, of course, space isn’t just distance. It’s also time. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Probably not, but there's really no point in caring as they'd be too far away for it to ever affect our lives
Unless they have hyperdrive or warp speed or use a wormhole or Dune Spice to bend space. "
If you can bend space then, could you use it as a slingshot to propel you somewhere when the bit you bent springs back |
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There are other many other species for sure. But the ones capable of thinking are much rare. Probably one of two other in our entire galaxy. And similarly very few in every other galaxy. Because of the distance, we most probably won't be able to find any of them.
I recommend reading "Where is everybody" by Stephen Webb. Quite a fun read. |
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"Probably not, but there's really no point in caring as they'd be too far away for it to ever affect our lives
Unless they have hyperdrive or warp speed or use a wormhole or Dune Spice to bend space.
If you can bend space then, could you use it as a slingshot to propel you somewhere when the bit you bent springs back"
I don’t think space has got any elastic kinetic energy. It’s more akin to pushing your finger in a jelly I think. |
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A handful of very "simple" amino acids have formed to create life on earth and its bonkers to think that they are millions of different species on earth now and it cant have happened anywhere else.
As the only species who have been able to travel to space suggests most species elsewhere will not achieve space travel.
As i question our intelligence not to annihilate ourselves with more advancements, i dont think we'll ever reach far enough to find any substantial other worldly flora or fauna
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"This rocky little dot we call home. Do you think it's the only one with crittery bits crawling around its surface
Come across some questionable life forms on fab.
Have you been looking in the mirror again? "
I'll own my crazy  |
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There is life elsewhere in the universe. In many places. However the closest is a long long looooong way away. The universe is a very sparsely occupied place, and any single civilisation has a very short technological lifetime. We are not going to meet anyone else out there because the overlap in the lifetime of our civilisation and that of any other civilisation is shorter than the time it would take for them to explore every place between there and here .
One remote possibility of finding a sign of other civilisation would be if there was any race within our galaxy that had created self reproducing Von Neumann machines and let them loose. These could then start eating planets and expanding in a sphere from the point of origin at half the speed of light. About 200,000 years would be enough for the galaxy to be totally overrun. However we would only know of their presence when the first replicator machine arrived and start exponentially reproducing, converting every planet in our solar system into nothing but more of them. Eventually there would be no life left anywhere, just a cloud of replicators. |
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