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More Lives Lost to the Titanic
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
Tom sadly wonders about the lost submarine that went to view the Titanic ship that sank after hitting an iceburg. He hopes they all survive. How many more lives will the Titanic take? Sadly it's all over the news. What's going on here guys ? |
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over a year ago
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"Why do you ask what’s going on here guys when you’ve already said what’s going
Tbf, it’s not like the titanic killed ‘em
The lure of the Titanic has drawn them. Is this a devil ship ?"
So if someone dies looking for mermaids it’s the mermaids fault?
A lot of victim blaming going on here Tom! |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
Tbh I'd never be interested in going down what is essentially a very deep graveyard.
There's enough footage available online if you're curious with paying ridiculous sums of money and (as occurred) potentially losing your life just to view a dimly lit wreck.
It shouldn't be a tourist destination to me, but then I kinda feel the same about the WTC Museum.
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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago
South Wales |
I think it’s more a case of someone not taking directions and getting lost.
I mean, how can you find The Titanic but not a submersible?
Could it be that the submersible was taken over by AI and is currently being driven to the Mariana Trench???
Time will tell. |
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"Why do you ask what’s going on here guys when you’ve already said what’s going
Tbf, it’s not like the titanic killed ‘em
The lure of the Titanic has drawn them. Is this a devil ship ?
So if someone dies looking for mermaids it’s the mermaids fault?
A lot of victim blaming going on here Tom!"
I heard they got lost in the bermuda triangle - which is the most dangerous instrument in the orchestra and were then abducted by aliens while trying to create crop circles in the water … none of that made the news Tom - you need insider info… thats where the gold is!! |
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"Submarine + enormous sea = not fucking likely
My worst nightmare. I hope they all get rescued, but their chances are extremely poor "
Me neither. There's enough dry land to stand on and explore for me |
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"Submarine + enormous sea = not fucking likely
My worst nightmare. I hope they all get rescued, but their chances are extremely poor
Me neither. There's enough dry land to stand on and explore for me "
Wise, very wise |
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"Have you seen what the submarine looked like? I'd have been worried taking it into the local pond nevermind the depths of the ocean."
Looked like bin with a window. No way I'd ever get in that. £250k too! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It's pretty sad. When I think about them being trapped, it gives me a sinking feeling. But hopefully if they have died already it was a quick death. "
Teeheeeee |
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I am not sure this is going to have a happy ending. I just hope they find them in time or it was quick.
Wrecks like this or any other for that matter should be treated like war graves and not have tourists poking about. If it must be examined let the professionals with permission do it.
Poor people |
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By *.T.Man
over a year ago
Belfast |
"I am not sure this is going to have a happy ending. I just hope they find them in time or it was quick.
Wrecks like this or any other for that matter should be treated like war graves and not have tourists poking about. If it must be examined let the professionals with permission do it.
Poor people "
Totally agree.
Just goes to show, if you have enough money, there will be someone out there who will find a new way to get you to part with it willingly.
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"It’s fascinating with who is in the sub. Extreme explorers, so if they aren’t found in time at least they will have died doing something they loved.
Not many can say that
Marc"
Don't know if there's any marine engineers here, but wouldn't the pressure crush it like a tin can? |
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By *opinovMan
over a year ago
Point Nemo, Cumbria |
My heart goes out to all in peril at sea, especially those who are crammed on a sinking refugee boat for a better life and who aren't considered important/rich enough to have the most advanced tax payer funded resources of the world's navies rushing to rescue them from a $200K per seat seat ogling jolly. |
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"Tbh I'd never be interested in going down what is essentially a very deep graveyard.
There's enough footage available online if you're curious with paying ridiculous sums of money and (as occurred) potentially losing your life just to view a dimly lit wreck.
It shouldn't be a tourist destination to me, but then I kinda feel the same about the WTC Museum.
A"
Yes, the memorial, lovely, a quiet place to contemplate. The museum, no thanks. |
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"My heart goes out to all in peril at sea, especially those who are crammed on a sinking refugee boat for a better life and who aren't considered important/rich enough to have the most advanced tax payer funded resources of the world's navies rushing to rescue them from a $200K per seat seat ogling jolly."
You have a point sir. Hats off |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
Tom knew a solitary soul who died at sea in a storm. He was never found but at the memorial service a friend placed flowers in the shape of a rescue ring on the memorial. Some said it was a tasteless gesture but we were reminded that it is what he would have wanted ... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why do you ask what’s going on here guys when you’ve already said what’s going
Tbf, it’s not like the titanic killed ‘em
The lure of the Titanic has drawn them. Is this a devil ship ?"
Sound like a good plot to a possible fun. |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
East London |
Thinking about how they must be feeling right now; if they're still alive, sets off my claustrophobia and I get chest pains.
I can't joke about people suffocating to death in a small vessel under the sea. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Tom knew a solitary soul who died at sea in a storm. He was never found but at the memorial service a friend placed flowers in the shape of a rescue ring on the memorial. Some said it was a tasteless gesture but we were reminded that it is what he would have wanted ... "
Tom !!!!
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By *lynJMan
over a year ago
Morden |
"Hope they find them all safe and well..
If they end up at the bottom of Davey Jones locker then even more ghoulish trips. Titanic will claim more lives. Is the shop cursed ?"
No, it's because of the people who couldn't be arsed to get the submersible certified because:
"Bringing an outside entity up to speed on every innovation before it is put into real-world testing is anathema to rapid innovation,"
WTF, these are peoples lives they're messing about with! |
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It’s the Father and Son being onboard that really hits me hard. I have two sons the thought of watching one of them suffer, being scared and all because of me. It’s why I hope they are found alive or it was a quick and painless death. |
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"Tom sadly wonders about the lost submarine that went to view the Titanic ship that sank after hitting an iceburg. He hopes they all survive. How many more lives will the Titanic take? Sadly it's all over the news. What's going on here guys ?"
I hope they are OK but the super rich are not immune to the laws of physics and nature. Nice expensive toys still break…
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Of all the 'This didnt seem like a good idea' this must be up there.
If they are alive which I doubt it must be pretty awful sitting in a locked dark can with a few strangers knowing this is the end and you have only a few hours left.
The panic and feeling hopless as there is nothing you can do. There is no plan B.
Watching the others die around you and being the last one alive knowing you will never be found is horrific.
Maybe this will serve as a warning for other people thinking of the same journey.
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"It’s the Father and Son being onboard that really hits me hard. I have two sons the thought of watching one of them suffer, being scared and all because of me. It’s why I hope they are found alive or it was a quick and painless death. "
No, if they don’t get rescued - and who knows, they may be bobbing about on the surface, but…even if they were on the surface, they can’t get out. They’re bolted in. So if they don’t get rescued then their death by suffocation won’t be either quick nor painless. The worst part for them is the knowledge and (limited) time to contemplate their situation. |
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"Five children die every five minutes in Africa from lack of food and clean water.
Yet 5 people on a jolly at £200k a head is global news. "
I can imagine that those in the sub are not concerned about other people dying, just themselves. I also imagine that they’re not thinking about their lifestyle and bank accounts. |
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Sadly I think the inevitable has already happened and they are somewhere on the ocean floor or tangled in the wreck! Even if they are found now, someone’s got to come up with a plan to rescue. 40 hours isn’t a lot of time to get all the equipment needed in place.
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"Sadly I think the inevitable has already happened and they are somewhere on the ocean floor or tangled in the wreck! Even if they are found now, someone’s got to come up with a plan to rescue. 40 hours isn’t a lot of time to get all the equipment needed in place.
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Hardly anything can go that deep never mind having the ability and power to lift them up. |
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When very rich people get bored and try to outdue each other.
If the trip went trouble free there wouldnt be many people that can say they saw the Titanic up close.
Its not just about the money and danger but the fact there isnt many trips each year.
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"Surely they are lowered on a metal cable
Why didnt they think of having a 4 mile long reinforced super strong cable attached to the sub? "
It would be too heavy and pull the ship over. Then it would be like the crane and cable scene in ‘The Abyss’.
Someone with more time and less cba can work out the formula of sub weight/pressure/cable width/cable length and do the math. |
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"Surely they are lowered on a metal cable
Why didnt they think of having a 4 mile long reinforced super strong cable attached to the sub?
It would be too heavy and pull the ship over. Then it would be like the crane and cable scene in ‘The Abyss’.
Someone with more time and less cba can work out the formula of sub weight/pressure/cable width/cable length and do the math. "
Yep, the cable responce was a tounge in check answer to the other poster.
No way they are still alive. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So 4 rich guys paid £1,000,000 to be locked in a sub the size of a transit van to view the wreck of the Titanic. Knowing it was dangerous and they could die. 2 observations spring to mind. 1 why? and 2nd they have too much money and high risk endeavours is the only way they feel alive. It’s a sad, mad world! Anyone want to fuck? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Surely there must be an escape hatch
It's bolted shut from the outside. If it wasn't it wouldn't hold against the water pressure. "
I always wonder when I see the dispatcher on a plane if he or she has put the bolts on properly. |
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By *929Man
over a year ago
bedlington |
Hoping it turns up but seems unlikely now those poor people
Having seen the piece of shit they went down in you couldn’t pay me all the money in the world to go down in that never mind paying quarter of a million to them. It hasn’t even got windows to see it so what’s the point ? |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton, |
The Titanic hit bottom around 50 miles from where it went under.The search area for that smaller lighter submersible is several hundred sq miles.Submersibles have no propulsion system,they can only rotate,rise or fall,they are at the mercy of any ocean current.The wreck is only 2.3 miles from the surface but the technology required to get there is equal to you commuting to the moon.That also applies to any rescuers.Put it another way,it's at a depth beyond the working pressure of any military submarine.It appears this submersible is a bit of a "bodge it and scarper" affair,untested parts from Amazon,engineers raising concerns sacked from the project.It doesn't seem to have the most basic feature,a locator beacon on fine monofilament fibre longer than the planned dive depth. |
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I'm a bit surprised by the seeming lack of a rescue vessel and crew, on standby. I'd not take being bolted in from the outside, without any internal exit capability. These tourists knew this, so at least they took an educated risk
With the lack of contact, I'm assuming the odds are poor for them to survive. Very sad, if so |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
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"I'm a bit surprised by the seeming lack of a rescue vessel and crew, on standby. I'd not take being bolted in from the outside, without any internal exit capability. These tourists knew this, so at least they took an educated risk
With the lack of contact, I'm assuming the odds are poor for them to survive. Very sad, if so "
Any rescue vessel and crew has to be at least equal to the vessel being rescued.They are not easy to come by,which is why the US Coastguard is having to wait so long for personnel and kit to get to the area,but at the moment that area is accurate to several hundred sq miles not a specific spot and the rescue requirements are unknown.Not good when the clock is running. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The forward viewport on the missing vessel is only certified to a depth of 1,300 metres.
Titanic lies at almost 3 times that depth at 3,800 metres.
I doubt this story is going to have a happy ending |
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By *uckMan
over a year ago
Scunthorpe DN15 |
Five people with more money than sense lost at the bottom of the ocean. By Thursday with no oxygen the conclusion will be that they are dead, died in a tragedy.
My question is...
come the weekend will the search be called off. I takes money and time to find a submersible about the size of a ford transit. look how long it took to find the Titanic. Will the families finance the further search to seek out answers. |
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Atleast they got the full Titanic Gold package.
No way they are still alive unless they decided to bump someone off to increase the amount of oxygen in the sub.
Also a lack of food and water in the sub leads to more problems if they are alive.
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Whilst typing this message feels dreadful, there is some simple maths here.
The oxygen is calculated to run out at 12.08pm. This is 3 hours and 30 minutes away. Even if they found the sub at this second, it's a 2 hour descent to The Titanic (although the sub could be in slightly shallower water, so might take less).
From my understanding, they cannot simply pull the sub up at full speed because of compression bends. So it will take 2 hours to come up again.
We are already 30 minutes over the deadline. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This might sound harsh and I don't mean it to be.
I think anyone taking on a dangerous expedition should deposit an equal amount to rescue teams before indulging. If rescue not needed, deposits returned. I'm sorry for the families. |
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"Whilst typing this message feels dreadful, there is some simple maths here.
The oxygen is calculated to run out at 12.08pm. This is 3 hours and 30 minutes away. Even if they found the sub at this second, it's a 2 hour descent to The Titanic (although the sub could be in slightly shallower water, so might take less).
From my understanding, they cannot simply pull the sub up at full speed because of compression bends. So it will take 2 hours to come up again.
We are already 30 minutes over the deadline. "
Yes, I came to the same conclusion myself this morning.
That is assuming that the sub provided air to its maximum capacity and that the quoted time was accurate.
Reading a few articles online from experienced divers and captains they suspect the oxygen would not have lasted as long as the time quoted by Ocean gate. |
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I think the oxygen ran out long ago.
Have to factor in the panic so the people will be breathing in and out more and if anyone died on board.
Judging what I heard and read about that Sub it wasnt the best so I wouldnt trust those figures. |
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"Why is everyone so sad ? You do dangerous expeditions , there’s always a chance you might die, you know this.
My friend and his son fell of striding edge one winter "
Because its sad people dieing?? |
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"I think the oxygen ran out long ago.
Have to factor in the panic so the people will be breathing in and out more and if anyone died on board.
Judging what I heard and read about that Sub it wasnt the best so I wouldnt trust those figures."
Apparently, the US Navy knew about the sub imploding a few days ago, but didn't go public with it so as prevent disclosure of operational tactics & procedures.
The designer of the sub boasted that he was "breaking rules" with the design, and quoted General McArthur about how people are "remembered for the rules they break" rather than sticking to them.
Engineers have always said that you should never put titanium and carbon-fibre together in a design - both of which were the exact materials the now lost sub was constructed from. It's unfortunate for the rest of those on board that he WILL be remembered for the rules he broke. |
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"The Titanic has claimed more lives but reports of serious concerns about the construction of the submarine and materials used. This had been highlighted and published by 40 leading scientists."
I thought scientists were to be disbelieved and mistrusted? So they're probably talking shite or something. |
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over a year ago
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"Well it's not 100 per cent but pretty much it exploded and probably due to the pressure.
Experts are saying that the deeper you go then the pressure expands "
It would have imploded. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"The Titanic has claimed more lives but reports of serious concerns about the construction of the submarine and materials used. This had been highlighted and published by 40 leading scientists.
I thought scientists were to be disbelieved and mistrusted? So they're probably talking shite or something. "
Not you again |
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"Well it's not 100 per cent but pretty much it exploded and probably due to the pressure.
Experts are saying that the deeper you go then the pressure expands
It would have imploded. "
This. Opposite to an explosion. |
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By *amish SMan
over a year ago
Eastleigh |
The experts make me laugh, most don't understand how pressure works on a vessel or body or even where the greatest change in pressure occurs when leaving the surface.
I'm also amazed that such a huge international effort costing huge sums to search and recover the vessel, but don't see the same interest and sums being spent to find 5 missing climbers on Everest in the last climbing window. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
Is it true that the man who designed or owned the sub sadly died during the explosion?
If true he had faith in the design.
Does anyone know if the brains behind the Titanic were actually on the ship when it hit the iceburb..
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By *TG3Man
over a year ago
Dorchester |
"Why do you ask what’s going on here guys when you’ve already said what’s going
Tbf, it’s not like the titanic killed ‘em
The lure of the Titanic has drawn them. Is this a devil ship ?" yes it is tom 3,800 m down |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Is it true that the man who designed or owned the sub sadly died during the explosion?
If true he had faith in the design.
Does anyone know if the brains behind the Titanic were actually on the ship when it hit the iceburb..
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The submersible wasn't "approved" you could say, they all signed some sort of disclosure about potential death, the youngest apparently said he was scared to go, which ok, he could've said no. Ross Kemp was supposed to go down on this "thing" a while back for a documentary but it was deemed unsafe. If I was a billionaire I certainly wouldn't spend 200 odd grand that!! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The experts make me laugh, most don't understand how pressure works on a vessel or body or even where the greatest change in pressure occurs when leaving the surface.
I'm also amazed that such a huge international effort costing huge sums to search and recover the vessel, but don't see the same interest and sums being spent to find 5 missing climbers on Everest in the last climbing window. "
Or the British firefighter who went missing when swimming the channel.
Search ended after 24hrs |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is it true that the man who designed or owned the sub sadly died during the explosion?
If true he had faith in the design.
Does anyone know if the brains behind the Titanic were actually on the ship when it hit the iceburb..
The submersible wasn't "approved" you could say, they all signed some sort of disclosure about potential death, the youngest apparently said he was scared to go, which ok, he could've said no. Ross Kemp was supposed to go down on this "thing" a while back for a documentary but it was deemed unsafe. If I was a billionaire I certainly wouldn't spend 200 odd grand that!!"
I'm really not sure if spending immense amounts of money is truly justified, especially in the current financial situation.
Yes, Titanic will always court interest but it also is probably technically a grave site.
The money spent on the Sub mission, the search and the expected recovery could undoubtedly feed many millions of hungry folk around the world.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Is it true that the man who designed or owned the sub sadly died during the explosion?
If true he had faith in the design.
Does anyone know if the brains behind the Titanic were actually on the ship when it hit the iceburb..
The submersible wasn't "approved" you could say, they all signed some sort of disclosure about potential death, the youngest apparently said he was scared to go, which ok, he could've said no. Ross Kemp was supposed to go down on this "thing" a while back for a documentary but it was deemed unsafe. If I was a billionaire I certainly wouldn't spend 200 odd grand that!!
I'm really not sure if spending immense amounts of money is truly justified, especially in the current financial situation.
Yes, Titanic will always court interest but it also is probably technically a grave site.
The money spent on the Sub mission, the search and the expected recovery could undoubtedly feed many millions of hungry folk around the world.
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It is a grave site! You're spot on, we're in the middle of a cost of living crisis. The money could have paid so many people's gas/electric bills and fed them, but hey they were billionaires so I'm guessing to them it just wasn't their problem |
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Billionaires spending millions to have themselves locked in a bean can for a one way ticket to oblivion, no non billionaire would get into a plane if informed it only had enough fuel to get airborne, then millions are spent trying to find said billionaires when the authorities would of known what happened |
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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago
Liverpool |
"People are dismissing one theory. Could a large sea creature like a killer whale or giant squid of attacked the sub"
Yes.
Though that's a very slim chance 000000000000000.1% give or take.
The chances of it being destroyed by a Russian submarine are higher.
Everything else points to piss poor quality engineering and every safety corner cut all on the name of an ego. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"People are dismissing one theory. Could a large sea creature like a killer whale or giant squid of attacked the sub"
By the time the contact was lost they were about a mile deeper than deepest recorded squid or a whale |
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By *eyeYCouple
over a year ago
Nr Leicester |
"Tbh I'd never be interested in going down what is essentially a very deep graveyard.
There's enough footage available online if you're curious with paying ridiculous sums of money and (as occurred) potentially losing your life just to view a dimly lit wreck.
It shouldn't be a tourist destination to me, but then I kinda feel the same about the WTC Museum.
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Totally crossed my mind!! Understood it had been designated as a grave site? Understand the morbid curiosity, but add in the 'visitors' being billionaires (as reported) who could easily afford to build a suitable vessel.. A questionable submarine safety history (as reported) having a 'jolly'??? Call me a conspiracy theorist by all means but there's a lot that doesn't add up.
That said, a nightmare worthy way to go!! Mr |
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By *lynJMan
over a year ago
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"People are dismissing one theory. Could a large sea creature like a killer whale or giant squid of attacked the sub
By the time the contact was lost they were about a mile deeper than deepest recorded squid or a whale "
Perhap it was a kraken! |
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