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Hi all.. just wondered what everyone’s thoughts on entry costs at clubs ect.. Why do men pay so much more in this day and age?.. Difficult for the clubs to manage I know but is this price discrimination? |
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By *TG3Man
over a year ago
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"Hi all.. just wondered what everyone’s thoughts on entry costs at clubs ect.. Why do men pay so much more in this day and age?.. Difficult for the clubs to manage I know but is this price discrimination?"
It is but like on here women rule so no women no sex clubs  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Clubs will be full of single guys that way. If alot of guys can afford one night a month it spreads out when they go meaning numbers will be equal.
The way it works now is that there is usually a good mix. Let's not try and over complicate things by trying to say we need to adapt it to this day and age. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"Hi all.. just wondered what everyone’s thoughts on entry costs at clubs ect.. Why do men pay so much more in this day and age?.. Difficult for the clubs to manage I know but is this price discrimination?"
Do a quick forum search and you'll find 1,000's of answers on the same subject.
The long and the short is this.
It's legal to have differential prices.
It's used as a means to control numbers.
It's the most effective mechanism to do the above.
It's not really fair - neither is life.
It puts some off going but it's still probably better value than blowing a wad in a bar on a weekend night.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Also having a higher price for men discourages swarms of single guys coming that can be very intimidating to people as often single guys will follow you around all night "
I doubt it does. They just limit the numbers. Otherwise it would still be huge numbers of blokes all willing to pay. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Either choose to pay extra, or don't bother attending OP...
Is it fair? Nope, but the clubs have a hard enough time attracting solo ladies anyways. I can recall in my younger years attending standard night club events where there was lower entry costs for women too... There was even less chance of a shag at those  |
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"Single women in clubs are often perceived as sex bait hence the low ticket price and I’m not ok with that.
I’m all for equal price for everyone but limited spaces possibly, just a thought."
Surely if their was a club with carefully managed numbers M/F and lower cost it would attract a whole lot more people? |
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"Also having a higher price for men discourages swarms of single guys coming that can be very intimidating to people as often single guys will follow you around all night
I doubt it does. They just limit the numbers. Otherwise it would still be huge numbers of blokes all willing to pay."
That's the other way of doing it but then when a guy left for the club he would have no idea if he could get in. With the higher prices, he knows he will. Both ways have their issues. |
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"Single women in clubs are often perceived as sex bait hence the low ticket price and I’m not ok with that.
I’m all for equal price for everyone but limited spaces possibly, just a thought.
Surely if their was a club with carefully managed numbers M/F and lower cost it would attract a whole lot more people? "
If clubs were struggling to attract enough single men, they'd lower their prices. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Single women in clubs are often perceived as sex bait hence the low ticket price and I’m not ok with that.
I’m all for equal price for everyone but limited spaces possibly, just a thought.
Surely if their was a club with carefully managed numbers M/F and lower cost it would attract a whole lot more people? "
No, it would just still attract more men. There's less women attending in general it's not rocket science |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I get it from a business point of view but not from a customer point of view. Yes us women benefit from free entry most the time but we wouldn't attend if it wasn't for the men so I don't think they should pay more. It should be equal across the board. |
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"Single women in clubs are often perceived as sex bait hence the low ticket price and I’m not ok with that.
I’m all for equal price for everyone but limited spaces possibly, just a thought.
Surely if their was a club with carefully managed numbers M/F and lower cost it would attract a whole lot more people?
No, it would just still attract more men. There's less women attending in general it's not rocket science "
I agree, but if there was a club where everyone gets charged the same, number are managed and there is an even split, this would attract a lot of women who are not attending due to swarms of guys? |
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"Single women in clubs are often perceived as sex bait hence the low ticket price and I’m not ok with that.
I’m all for equal price for everyone but limited spaces possibly, just a thought.
Surely if their was a club with carefully managed numbers M/F and lower cost it would attract a whole lot more people?
No, it would just still attract more men. There's less women attending in general it's not rocket science
I agree, but if there was a club where everyone gets charged the same, number are managed and there is an even split, this would attract a lot of women who are not attending due to swarms of guys? "
Most clubs manage their numbers anyway, I think. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It's an interesting one given that the sex discrimination act was brought in in 1975 and, strictly speaking, it is illegal for clubs to do this
But...
I understand WHY they do it - not that I agree with it.
If they charged everyone the same, they'd have even more men turning up and a lot less women |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The best club I've been to was split in two. One half was for couples only. The other was open to single men.
Couples could move freely between the two but single men had to stick to the one side.
I don't know if the pricing was equal but it was a great way of managing the far higher numbers of blokes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Single women in clubs are often perceived as sex bait hence the low ticket price and I’m not ok with that.
I’m all for equal price for everyone but limited spaces possibly, just a thought.
Surely if their was a club with carefully managed numbers M/F and lower cost it would attract a whole lot more people?
No, it would just still attract more men. There's less women attending in general it's not rocket science
I agree, but if there was a club where everyone gets charged the same, number are managed and there is an even split, this would attract a lot of women who are not attending due to swarms of guys? "
Right, so are they then upping the charge for solo women to attend? Or lowering the prices for solo men? Because from a business model (which they are). They're still struggling to attract the solo women. So increasing prices is highly unlikely to attract them, no? And lowering the prices for allocated number of solo men is not exactly going to help th out because there will still be more males than women looking to attend. And where do you price couples in all of this? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Single women in clubs are often perceived as sex bait hence the low ticket price and I’m not ok with that.
I’m all for equal price for everyone but limited spaces possibly, just a thought.
Surely if their was a club with carefully managed numbers M/F and lower cost it would attract a whole lot more people?
No, it would just still attract more men. There's less women attending in general it's not rocket science "
And it would attract even more men who assume a swingers club = a guaranteed shag |
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By *iasubTV/TS
over a year ago
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"Single women in clubs are often perceived as sex bait hence the low ticket price and I’m not ok with that.
I’m all for equal price for everyone but limited spaces possibly, just a thought.
Surely if their was a club with carefully managed numbers M/F and lower cost it would attract a whole lot more people?
No, it would just still attract more men. There's less women attending in general it's not rocket science
And it would attract even more men who assume a swingers club = a guaranteed shag"
Exactly that no end of times have i told guys going doesn’t mean your going to have sex and if thats the only reason for going then it’s probably not the place for you to be. Yes sex does happen but if thats the only expectation people will be disappointed |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Put it this way OP. There are plenty of strip/lap dancing clubs who charge an absolute fortune to men who have literally zero chance of actually having sex in them. And they're clearly still in business as men are obviously easily parted with their money to look at tits & ass... Swingers clubs generally ask between a tenner to £20 additional for solo males to pay to again look at tits & ass. So, if I was a bloke and looking for a cheaper night to look at the aforementioned tits/ass, I know I'd rather stump up an extra tenner. But as its optional they can just stop home instead if they prefer  |
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"Put it this way OP. There are plenty of strip/lap dancing clubs who charge an absolute fortune to men who have literally zero chance of actually having sex in them. And they're clearly still in business as men are obviously easily parted with their money to look at tits & ass... Swingers clubs generally ask between a tenner to £20 additional for solo males to pay to again look at tits & ass. So, if I was a bloke and looking for a cheaper night to look at the aforementioned tits/ass, I know I'd rather stump up an extra tenner. But as its optional they can just stop home instead if they prefer "
Guess that’s one way to look at it..
Getting rid of these “blokes” from swingers clubs is in everyone’s interest? Creating a club with a fair entry fee and a good balance would encourage folk with genuine interest to attend and out the idiots? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Supply and demand, and a way to filter custom, it's that simple.
If it was the same amount cross board, you'd soon find there'd be very few women, if any at all, and many many men.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Put it this way OP. There are plenty of strip/lap dancing clubs who charge an absolute fortune to men who have literally zero chance of actually having sex in them. And they're clearly still in business as men are obviously easily parted with their money to look at tits & ass... Swingers clubs generally ask between a tenner to £20 additional for solo males to pay to again look at tits & ass. So, if I was a bloke and looking for a cheaper night to look at the aforementioned tits/ass, I know I'd rather stump up an extra tenner. But as its optional they can just stop home instead if they prefer
Guess that’s one way to look at it..
Getting rid of these “blokes” from swingers clubs is in everyone’s interest? Creating a club with a fair entry fee and a good balance would encourage folk with genuine interest to attend and out the idiots?"
You're going round in circles mate. There will still be more male demand than female to attend. Hence the pricing difference. It's not fair, it's not equal. But it's supply & demand. And until clubs start having to limit the number of solo women looking to attend then it won't change  |
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The club we use doesn’t charge single guys much more than couples , And why shouldn’t they charge a little extra , us husbands pay out on nice naughty wear for our wives , as they like to look good , but it’s also true it helps keep the club from being flooded by guys as it can sometimes be unsettling for ladies |
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At the club we go to men are charged more than single women and couples but other than couples only nights there are always more single men attending than couples or women. What would be the benefit to the club in changing their pricing structure? |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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For those advocating an alternative system......how?
If you just limit numbers who gets on the list? 1st come 1st served? What if they're all nutters and the wanking dead zombie crowd following folk around?
What if they don't turn up? Others have missed the chance to get in.
If you vet applicants (as some clubs do) who gets to choose and how do you decide who's right on behalf on the women and couples going? Your ideas and tastes may not be theirs.
If you split a club and have half available to single guys and half couples and women only, what happens when have is just full of guys? A big circle jerk?
The current system has been used by clubs for decades. There's no sign of it changing and yet every night there are men attending, evidently willing to pay the required fee to gain entry.
Despite all the discussions nobody has come up with a viable alternative. I'm sure clubs would welcome one. But it seems none can be found.
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It's getting to a point where the private parties are hugely popular with single ladies, rather than clubs, they are happier to pay a higher price, knowing that every man has been specifically chosen to attend, with, looks, skills and general behaviour.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Vote with your feet mate.
But…
A lot of clubs won’t be there long if there’s only 6 couples and 2 single females plus however many guys all paying a tenner. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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As a fellow forumite famously says... Charge it to the game.
You can choose not to go in protest but if you don't pay the fee, some other sucker will and it won't make a blind bit of difference to the club. As a single guy, you're a drop in the ocean and the supply of single guys will always be there because of the numbers which means the club can pretty much charge whatever they want. |
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Its strange for us. We are used to BDSM nights where this sort of pricing just wouldn't sit right with most attendees and have known events be boycotted until it was a single pricing structure. Those same clubs who host the kink events then whack their prices up for the swinger nights and have 3 different prices for entry, I guess it helps keep the single guy numbers down to a manageable level though |
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"Hi all.. just wondered what everyone’s thoughts on entry costs at clubs ect.. Why do men pay so much more in this day and age?.. Difficult for the clubs to manage I know but is this price discrimination?"
It is price discrimination and it’s perfectly legal. You’re paying for a different experience of the club as a single male.
However we agree that in this day and age price parity should be looked at by clubs
The simple facts are that men are in an abundance so the club can increase their admission price in comparison, it’s a simple supply and demand curve. The sweet spot for the club is to be able to charge a price high enough, that only the number of men sufficient to fill the number of male places will pay it.
And yes it does suck. |
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I'm yet to attend a club, I know chams does a reduced rate usually after a social event and without needing to be a member.
£20 I was told unless it's gone up now, I don't think high price is right but it's necessary or it would just be a sausage fest and that's not what I'd want if attending |
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"Hi all.. just wondered what everyone’s thoughts on entry costs at clubs ect.. Why do men pay so much more in this day and age?.. Difficult for the clubs to manage I know but is this price discrimination?
It is price discrimination and it’s perfectly legal. You’re paying for a different experience of the club as a single male.
However we agree that in this day and age price parity should be looked at by clubs
The simple facts are that men are in an abundance so the club can increase their admission price in comparison, it’s a simple supply and demand curve. The sweet spot for the club is to be able to charge a price high enough, that only the number of men sufficient to fill the number of male places will pay it.
And yes it does suck. "
"Paying for a different experience of the club as a single male" !! |
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"Hi all.. just wondered what everyone’s thoughts on entry costs at clubs ect.. Why do men pay so much more in this day and age?.. Difficult for the clubs to manage I know but is this price discrimination?
It is price discrimination and it’s perfectly legal. You’re paying for a different experience of the club as a single male.
However we agree that in this day and age price parity should be looked at by clubs
The simple facts are that men are in an abundance so the club can increase their admission price in comparison, it’s a simple supply and demand curve. The sweet spot for the club is to be able to charge a price high enough, that only the number of men sufficient to fill the number of male places will pay it.
And yes it does suck.
"Paying for a different experience of the club as a single male" !! "
The experience as far as we can see is walking from room to room like a restless animal. |
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"I'm yet to attend a club, I know chams does a reduced rate usually after a social event and without needing to be a member.
£20 I was told unless it's gone up now, I don't think high price is right but it's necessary or it would just be a sausage fest and that's not what I'd want if attending "
What do you mean by after a social event?
Socials held at the club allow a non-member single male to enter for the duration of that day xx |
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"I'm yet to attend a club, I know chams does a reduced rate usually after a social event and without needing to be a member.
£20 I was told unless it's gone up now, I don't think high price is right but it's necessary or it would just be a sausage fest and that's not what I'd want if attending
What do you mean by after a social event?
Socials held at the club allow a non-member single male to enter for the duration of that day xx"
After Newport social |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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For me I'll never go while they charge us more I can afford Easley to go every week but I won't yes it's a clubs decision it's also my choice to not be ripped off. |
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By *izzy.Woman
over a year ago
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"For me I'll never go while they charge us more I can afford Easley to go every week but I won't yes it's a clubs decision it's also my choice to not be ripped off."
My local club charges £30 entry for single guys and you can take your own alcohol. I'm pretty sure you'd spend more than that on a night out with mates !
For that £30 you get 5 hours enjoying a social evening with chance to meet face to face probably 50 to 80 active swingers, super opportunity if people haven't got verifications, also getting tips, swapping stories and maybe invites to future parties. You get a DJ playing great tunes if you fancy a dance. You get the chance to watch people having sex live....(not just on a computer screen), and the possibility of getting involved in the action if you hit it off with people.
Are you really getting ripped off? I think that's excellent value for money . |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I’ve often wondered if the excuse of “controlling the numbers” of men is valid.
Surely you can control the numbers of men at the door/reception.
Or is it simply that the clubs are operating on such tight margins that it’s an easy cop out to hike the fees for a guy in order make a an extra £ or ten?
Btw I have no vested interest in clubs, I don’t like them, and don’t use them. I’m merely spitballing with no knowledge of how they operate.
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"Hi all.. just wondered what everyone’s thoughts on entry costs at clubs ect.. Why do men pay so much more in this day and age?.. Difficult for the clubs to manage I know but is this price discrimination?"
Shit happens, you could always couple up with a women....its called supply and demand simple |
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"For me I'll never go while they charge us more I can afford Easley to go every week but I won't yes it's a clubs decision it's also my choice to not be ripped off."
I'm starting to kind of go along with this thinking. I would like to go to clubs for socialising more than sex. As for seeing live sex, I couldn't care less. If you can't join in then what's the point.
I enjoy the forum because you can chat freely about anything without too much trouble. But with clubs you've got to pay extra and then fight uphill just to try and get a conversation in.
I Hope it changes but I don't think it will. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Personally, I think price should be based on attractiveness, regardless of gender. I personally will shoulder the responsibility of assigning club-goers a hotness rating out of 10, with prices based on rating.
Problem solved 
(This is clearly a joke, before you verbally crucify me... Personally I don't know the solution to the problem. What I do know is that men outnumber women 10 to 1 in swing world. Cis women have the biggest draw; straight men the biggest surplus, and are the ones paying the club's bills. It's a complex situation and I don't envy the people trying to solve it.) |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I understand why single men feel this way about pricing but the clubs we’ve been to don’t charge that much more. Most are bring your own booze so it still works out cheaper than normal night out. If you don’t like a particular clubs pricing you don’t have to go. |
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Someone posted on this a while back and there was quite substantial evidence that it is a form of discrimination. People where citing statutes etc.
If that was upheld legally then supply and demand would not be a valid justification. As you don't need to alter prices to control numbers. You can just control how many people you let in. |
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A tale as old as Fab itself. I think on the whole clubs know what works for them. We've been to clubs that charge through the nose of single males and ones that charge no membership and a reasonable price for males and the same price as couples. All these clubs seem to work and if it works don't fix it. People will always vote with their feet anyways with regards if the club is worth the price for them as an individual. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"Someone posted on this a while back and there was quite substantial evidence that it is a form of discrimination. People where citing statutes etc.
If that was upheld legally then supply and demand would not be a valid justification. As you don't need to alter prices to control numbers. You can just control how many people you let in."
Nope.
The equality act allows for differential pricing to encourage minority groups (in the case single women and to a lesser extent couples) to attend. Given the ratios at clubs on single guy nights are similar to Fab itself, it would be a cinch for any club to evidence that the current model works to level the numbers and that any change would result in a disproportionate number of men attending, thus reducing further the number of single women and couples that would attend and making the business an unfixable proposition, forcing closure.
Funny how nobody ever claims discrimination because single men aren't allowed in at all on certain nights, or even at all at certain venues, yet always bring up the entry fees....... 
I mean if you really think it's an illegal practice maulybe consider why so many councils grant licences to clubs whilst so obviously breaking the law.....
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By (user no longer on site)
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I'm sure it's been said...
But gals are not just the customer but also the commodity.
Isn't it unfair I have to pay to go to Wembley, but the footballers actually get paid.
After all most me would not go to a club that is 99pc male. After all for every thread we have about entry prices there are 200 on fab ratios and not getting a reply. Imagine if you had fab odds AND actually had to talk to a gal to get your willy wet. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I'm sure it's been said...
But gals are not just the customer but also the commodity.
Isn't it unfair I have to pay to go to Wembley, but the footballers actually get paid.
After all most me would not go to a club that is 99pc male. After all for every thread we have about entry prices there are 200 on fab ratios and not getting a reply. Imagine if you had fab odds AND actually had to talk to a gal to get your willy wet. "
Eh there's no talking at clubs.
Drop towel, point at semi soft willy.... job done mate. |
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"Men have always been targeted"
Single men have never been targeted. It is simply the case that not only are single men in much greater abundance than other categories of swingers but also many single men have proven themselves untrustworthy when it comes to interactions in clubs. Clubs want to create an environment where people feel happy and relaxed and can have fun. That will always on some level require manipulation of entrants.
Also I'm here to learn so I'm more than happy for someone to educate me otherwise |
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By *os19Man
over a year ago
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As a single guy when I have my night out at my local club I know the price of the entrance fee and I know it’s bring your own booze but as I don’t drink that doesn’t effect me but I buy a couple of soft drinks which the club sell.With regards to the entrance fees yes men pay more but if we feel it’s too expensive or we are been ripped off we are adults with a mind of our own and we can choose not to go. |
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"For me I'll never go while they charge us more I can afford Easley to go every week but I won't yes it's a clubs decision it's also my choice to not be ripped off.
I'm starting to kind of go along with this thinking. I would like to go to clubs for socialising more than sex. As for seeing live sex, I couldn't care less. If you can't join in then what's the point.
I enjoy the forum because you can chat freely about anything without too much trouble. But with clubs you've got to pay extra and then fight uphill just to try and get a conversation in.
I Hope it changes but I don't think it will."
Not sure which clubs you've been to where you have to fight to get a conversation. In our experience there are people who chat and people who don't say a word but expect to just be invited to play just because they have their willy out. Club are friendly places so just relax and enjoy. |
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"Someone posted on this a while back and there was quite substantial evidence that it is a form of discrimination. People where citing statutes etc.
If that was upheld legally then supply and demand would not be a valid justification. As you don't need to alter prices to control numbers. You can just control how many people you let in."
Private members clubs are exempt. |
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