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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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"Food habits...why are we so crap at buying preparing and eating healthy?
Have you seen America?"
It’s a good question I don’t know the answer. I was raised on the sane shit most people I know were, things in packets and tins and fried food but from 15 to 18 worked in a restaurant and found a love for food.
Since then I made everything from scratch for myself, family, friends so I find it hard to imagine buying frozen things in boxes and putting into the oven or microwave I’d rather go hungry |
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I exclude myself from your statement because I'm pretty good at eating healthily.
I think there are several reasons people don't.
They don't know how.
Fast food is too easily available every, damn where.
The likes of Deliveroo.
People think of food as good and bad and believe they don't like 'good' food.
Eating badly is almost like a badge of honour, nobody laughs and pats you on the back if you say you ate a huge salad with wholemeal bread but they do if you tell them you ate a family sized bar of chocolate.
A lot of people have no concept of portion control. How many times have you had a restaurant recommended because they serve large portions?
Sweets, chocolates and fast food are used as rewards or compensation rather than occasional treats.
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The decline in fresh fruit and veg being available at either a local shop or the town market.
Butchers shops pretty much disappeared from existence one's still going are ridiculous expensive.
It's too easy to order in food.
People are working longer hours and have less free time.
Pressure from media making fast food cool and unrelenting advertising. |
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over a year ago
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"Food habits...why are we so crap at buying preparing and eating healthy? "
I'm actually damn good at it. I cook from scratch. I don't have ready meals or packet mixes etc. It's how I was raised |
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"The decline in fresh fruit and veg being available at either a local shop or the town market.
Butchers shops pretty much disappeared from existence one's still going are ridiculous expensive.
It's too easy to order in food.
People are working longer hours and have less free time.
Pressure from media making fast food cool and unrelenting advertising."
Yep that’s it basically.
It’s become so easy and convenient to eat bad.
It’s easy to eat healthily but only if you enjoy it, have the time, tools and skills.
I spend a lot of time cooking and preparing food and then cleaning the kitchen usually after people have left but I pay for general house cleaning and ironing. Others pay companies to make their food…. , it’s choices and economics |
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"Laziness. Lack of self responsibility.
People know what's unhealthy for them. They just can't be arsed to change their habits."
Plus it’s really easy not too.
20 minutes bung in the oven or 40 mins stood doing stuff. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Laziness. Lack of self responsibility.
People know what's unhealthy for them. They just can't be arsed to change their habits.
Plus it’s really easy not too.
20 minutes bung in the oven or 40 mins stood doing stuff. "
Yeah. Kind of a cultural thing too. Everyone in a rush etc. (or at least pretending to be)
I enjoy cooking from scratch so the time factor doesn't usually bother me. On the days when time really is short I'll use a slow cooker on a timer. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
There's many factors involved In no particular order and not comprehensive.
Lifestyle, ie working and commuting can leave little time for other things, like cooking.
Education and knowledge, if you don't know then you can't do it.
Infrastructure. Where are the shops and how do you get to them. High Street is long gone.
The environment. What I'm referring to here is what the retailers are allowed to sell. IE, the quality of food.
Housing I think also comes into play. The way people live has changed and the fully working kitchen has evolved.
Is there a gender skills gap? My unscientific opinion is that there is.
Up to post covid time, the alternatives was too easy. Just get it delivered.
No thanks to the global supply crisis and brexit (sorry), the issue has become more pressing. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There's many factors involved In no particular order and not comprehensive.
Lifestyle, ie working and commuting can leave little time for other things, like cooking.
Education and knowledge, if you don't know then you can't do it.
Infrastructure. Where are the shops and how do you get to them. High Street is long gone.
The environment. What I'm referring to here is what the retailers are allowed to sell. IE, the quality of food.
Housing I think also comes into play. The way people live has changed and the fully working kitchen has evolved.
Is there a gender skills gap? My unscientific opinion is that there is.
Up to post covid time, the alternatives was too easy. Just get it delivered.
No thanks to the global supply crisis and brexit (sorry), the issue has become more pressing."
Just reads like a list of excuses.
People in this country have no excuse for not being educated.
No idea what you mean by a gender skills gap? |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"There's many factors involved In no particular order and not comprehensive.
Lifestyle, ie working and commuting can leave little time for other things, like cooking.
Education and knowledge, if you don't know then you can't do it.
Infrastructure. Where are the shops and how do you get to them. High Street is long gone.
The environment. What I'm referring to here is what the retailers are allowed to sell. IE, the quality of food.
Housing I think also comes into play. The way people live has changed and the fully working kitchen has evolved.
Is there a gender skills gap? My unscientific opinion is that there is.
Up to post covid time, the alternatives was too easy. Just get it delivered.
No thanks to the global supply crisis and brexit (sorry), the issue has become more pressing.
Just reads like a list of excuses.
People in this country have no excuse for not being educated.
No idea what you mean by a gender skills gap?"
In this context education means learning how to cook budget and shop. If you didn't learn from your parents then you were left with the formal education system. When you're an adult you might have the option of learning from other adults.
Gender skillS? Mem aren't as competent as women when it comes to shop, budget and cooking. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In this context education means learning how to cook budget and shop. If you didn't learn from your parents then you were left with the formal education system. When you're an adult you might have the option of learning from other adults.
Gender skillS? Mem aren't as competent as women when it comes to shop, budget and cooking."
Even if that were true it's the 21st century. Anybody who can be bothered can easily learn how to cook healthily on a budget.
I don't buy into the 'men aren't competent' thing either. Pretty much every famous chef I could name would be male. I think many blokes can count too... although maybe not in inches. |
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"The decline in fresh fruit and veg being available at either a local shop or the town market.
Butchers shops pretty much disappeared from existence one's still going are ridiculous expensive.
It's too easy to order in food.
People are working longer hours and have less free time.
Pressure from media making fast food cool and unrelenting advertising.
Yep that’s it basically.
It’s become so easy and convenient to eat bad.
It’s easy to eat healthily but only if you enjoy it, have the time, tools and skills.
I spend a lot of time cooking and preparing food and then cleaning the kitchen usually after people have left but I pay for general house cleaning and ironing. Others pay companies to make their food…. , it’s choices and economics "
I get that and its all true. But it is equally as true in other countries and they dont have the same numbers as we do?
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"In this context education means learning how to cook budget and shop. If you didn't learn from your parents then you were left with the formal education system. When you're an adult you might have the option of learning from other adults.
Gender skillS? Mem aren't as competent as women when it comes to shop, budget and cooking.
Even if that were true it's the 21st century. Anybody who can be bothered can easily learn how to cook healthily on a budget.
I don't buy into the 'men aren't competent' thing either. Pretty much every famous chef I could name would be male. I think many blokes can count too... although maybe not in inches."
The gender of famous chefs isn't relevant to the topic, othr than proving that with the right training, they can cook. Besides, there's one gordon ramsey to millions of non gordon ramseys.
Yes cooking isn't rocket science. If someone wants to learn, they should be able to. So aside from the desire, they will need a budget, some equipment, cooking and food storage and access to raw ingredients.
On a seperate note, the points I identified above aren't excuses, they are barriers. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Funny how eating a bad diet is actually cheaper then eating healthy
And people believe the government is here to help!
We opt for eating healthy but at a great cost
I would say this definitely has a bearing on peoples diet |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"Funny how eating a bad diet is actually cheaper then eating healthy
And people believe the government is here to help!
We opt for eating healthy but at a great cost
I would say this definitely has a bearing on peoples diet "
It absolutely has a bearing. Unhealthy diet can be cheaper in the short term. Healthy eating has more overheads as well as being more expensive. |
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The cost of healthy is significantly more than processed foods.
Last night I decided to have a bit of salmon, £4.50 for a small fillet. Cost of processed fish? £2.50.
Everyone can cook healthy, but the costs are significantly higher for doing so. |
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I'm going to be controversial and say it's the change in the working environment. Gone are the days of one person working households while one stayed at home and did the domestic duties. Consequently, unless both parties agree to split cooking chores, convenience rules. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
"Food habits...why are we so crap at buying preparing and eating healthy? "
Largely work/life balance and rising living costs I suspect.
Now both halves of a couple generally work, often long hours, and it's just down to convenience and cost that we eat more processed crap.
People just don't have the time to shop for fresh.
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Healthy eating is not more expensive than junk food.
Just eat what you can afford and not best cuts.
Your choice.
I eat on the UBER side of healthy. There isn't any waste here and I invent, prepare and cook with ease.
There is no need to make a massive job of it every meal every day ...... massive jobs are for when you are showing off to guests.... otherwise it's proteins that keep the bills down, loads of veg and some carb ... ( too much some days - esp winter )
I don't think people should be branded as lazy for making the choices they do ever.
I lived in a two income household for decades and we still prepared all our own food so the - oh one person used to stay home to cook' doesn't wash with me ever. |
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"Food habits...why are we so crap at buying preparing and eating healthy?
Largely work/life balance and rising living costs I suspect.
Now both halves of a couple generally work, often long hours, and it's just down to convenience and cost that we eat more processed crap.
People just don't have the time to shop for fresh.
A"
In the time it takes to read instructions, unbox a product, heat a pan or oven ..... id have my veg cooked in the microwave.. 5 mins.
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"I'm going to be controversial and say it's the change in the working environment. Gone are the days of one person working households while one stayed at home and did the domestic duties. Consequently, unless both parties agree to split cooking chores, convenience rules. "
Bit of a rose tint there......
Women have always worked and those that didn't weren't necessarily domestic goddesses and were mainly the middle classes.
Bit of an enduring trope to be frank. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I'm going to be controversial and say it's the change in the working environment. Gone are the days of one person working households while one stayed at home and did the domestic duties. Consequently, unless both parties agree to split cooking chores, convenience rules.
Bit of a rose tint there......
Women have always worked and those that didn't weren't necessarily domestic goddesses and were mainly the middle classes.
Bit of an enduring trope to be frank. "
Angela Davis talks about something similar in women race and class as well. |
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"There's many factors involved In no particular order and not comprehensive.
Lifestyle, ie working and commuting can leave little time for other things, like cooking.
Education and knowledge, if you don't know then you can't do it.
Infrastructure. Where are the shops and how do you get to them. High Street is long gone.
The environment. What I'm referring to here is what the retailers are allowed to sell. IE, the quality of food.
Housing I think also comes into play. The way people live has changed and the fully working kitchen has evolved.
Is there a gender skills gap? My unscientific opinion is that there is.
Up to post covid time, the alternatives was too easy. Just get it delivered.
No thanks to the global supply crisis and brexit (sorry), the issue has become more pressing.
Just reads like a list of excuses.
People in this country have no excuse for not being educated.
No idea what you mean by a gender skills gap?
In this context education means learning how to cook budget and shop. If you didn't learn from your parents then you were left with the formal education system. When you're an adult you might have the option of learning from other adults.
Gender skillS? Mem aren't as competent as women when it comes to shop, budget and cooking."
Yet, most Michelin starred chefs and celeb chefs are male...... |
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"I'm going to be controversial and say it's the change in the working environment. Gone are the days of one person working households while one stayed at home and did the domestic duties. Consequently, unless both parties agree to split cooking chores, convenience rules.
Bit of a rose tint there......
Women have always worked and those that didn't weren't necessarily domestic goddesses and were mainly the middle classes.
Bit of an enduring trope to be frank. "
I work FT, always have, yet manage to cook proper food. It requires planning, advanced prep and a slow cooker helps! |
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"In this context education means learning how to cook budget and shop. If you didn't learn from your parents then you were left with the formal education system. When you're an adult you might have the option of learning from other adults.
Gender skillS? Mem aren't as competent as women when it comes to shop, budget and cooking.
Even if that were true it's the 21st century. Anybody who can be bothered can easily learn how to cook healthily on a budget.
I don't buy into the 'men aren't competent' thing either. Pretty much every famous chef I could name would be male. I think many blokes can count too... although maybe not in inches.
The gender of famous chefs isn't relevant to the topic, othr than proving that with the right training, they can cook. Besides, there's one gordon ramsey to millions of non gordon ramseys.
Yes cooking isn't rocket science. If someone wants to learn, they should be able to. So aside from the desire, they will need a budget, some equipment, cooking and food storage and access to raw ingredients.
On a seperate note, the points I identified above aren't excuses, they are barriers."
I'll suggest highlighting competent male cooks is very relevant to the nonsense suggestion men are somehow historically unable to cook.
I doubt equipment, cooking, storage and access to raw ingredients are an issue for very many in this country.
The budget argument is nonsense too.
The barriers to people eating healthily are the people themselves. They just can't be arsed. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
"Food habits...why are we so crap at buying preparing and eating healthy?
Largely work/life balance and rising living costs I suspect.
Now both halves of a couple generally work, often long hours, and it's just down to convenience and cost that we eat more processed crap.
People just don't have the time to shop for fresh.
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In the time it takes to read instructions, unbox a product, heat a pan or oven ..... id have my veg cooked in the microwave.. 5 mins.
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Yep.
But it's 11 miles to the nearest supermarket for us, 5 to the nearest small shop and that stock the bare minimum. I also work 18 hour days around 4 days a week and Fox is busy too.
It's situationally dependant and there's no one size fits all.
With fuel costs as they are doing ab20 mile + trip more regularly just to get fresh food isn't an option.
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"There's many factors involved In no particular order and not comprehensive.
Lifestyle, ie working and commuting can leave little time for other things, like cooking.
Education and knowledge, if you don't know then you can't do it.
Infrastructure. Where are the shops and how do you get to them. High Street is long gone.
The environment. What I'm referring to here is what the retailers are allowed to sell. IE, the quality of food.
Housing I think also comes into play. The way people live has changed and the fully working kitchen has evolved.
Is there a gender skills gap? My unscientific opinion is that there is.
Up to post covid time, the alternatives was too easy. Just get it delivered.
No thanks to the global supply crisis and brexit (sorry), the issue has become more pressing.
Just reads like a list of excuses.
People in this country have no excuse for not being educated.
No idea what you mean by a gender skills gap?
In this context education means learning how to cook budget and shop. If you didn't learn from your parents then you were left with the formal education system. When you're an adult you might have the option of learning from other adults.
Gender skillS? Mem aren't as competent as women when it comes to shop, budget and cooking.
Yet, most Michelin starred chefs and celeb chefs are male......"
And that probably has more to do with the industry and work environment. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"In this context education means learning how to cook budget and shop. If you didn't learn from your parents then you were left with the formal education system. When you're an adult you might have the option of learning from other adults.
Gender skillS? Mem aren't as competent as women when it comes to shop, budget and cooking.
Even if that were true it's the 21st century. Anybody who can be bothered can easily learn how to cook healthily on a budget.
I don't buy into the 'men aren't competent' thing either. Pretty much every famous chef I could name would be male. I think many blokes can count too... although maybe not in inches.
The gender of famous chefs isn't relevant to the topic, othr than proving that with the right training, they can cook. Besides, there's one gordon ramsey to millions of non gordon ramseys.
Yes cooking isn't rocket science. If someone wants to learn, they should be able to. So aside from the desire, they will need a budget, some equipment, cooking and food storage and access to raw ingredients.
On a seperate note, the points I identified above aren't excuses, they are barriers.
I'll suggest highlighting competent male cooks is very relevant to the nonsense suggestion men are somehow historically unable to cook.
I doubt equipment, cooking, storage and access to raw ingredients are an issue for very many in this country.
The budget argument is nonsense too.
The barriers to people eating healthily are the people themselves. They just can't be arsed."
So in this thread people have offered time, lifestyle, transport, cost and knowledge as having an impact on food choices. If you're going to dismiss these as nonsense and personal failings then I'll leave there with you. |
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"So in this thread people have offered time, lifestyle, transport, cost and knowledge as having an impact on food choices. If you're going to dismiss these as nonsense and personal failings then I'll leave there with you. "
Indeed I will.
Always somebody else's responsibility. Somebody else's fault. Bloody government making us eat all that crap. How dare those corporations force us to eat their filth. If only somebody had told me what to do... or even better done it for me. Who knew eating shit food would be bad for my health? We're all victims.
And yet here we are with access to more food and more awareness of what we can do with it, and what it does to us, than at at any point in history. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
"So in this thread people have offered time, lifestyle, transport, cost and knowledge as having an impact on food choices. If you're going to dismiss these as nonsense and personal failings then I'll leave there with you.
Indeed I will.
Always somebody else's responsibility. Somebody else's fault. Bloody government making us eat all that crap. How dare those corporations force us to eat their filth. If only somebody had told me what to do... or even better done it for me. Who knew eating shit food would be bad for my health? We're all victims.
And yet here we are with access to more food and more awareness of what we can do with it, and what it does to us, than at at any point in history."
When some people have to choose between heating their homes, keeping the lights switched on, having hot water and paying the rent....maybe a little more understanding and empathy about why they have to live on cheap, convenient food might be recommended.
Walk in someone strugglings shoes. Live their life for a week.
And stop assuming everyone is playing the victim.
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"So in this thread people have offered time, lifestyle, transport, cost and knowledge as having an impact on food choices. If you're going to dismiss these as nonsense and personal failings then I'll leave there with you.
Indeed I will.
Always somebody else's responsibility. Somebody else's fault. Bloody government making us eat all that crap. How dare those corporations force us to eat their filth. If only somebody had told me what to do... or even better done it for me. Who knew eating shit food would be bad for my health? We're all victims.
And yet here we are with access to more food and more awareness of what we can do with it, and what it does to us, than at at any point in history.
When some people have to choose between heating their homes, keeping the lights switched on, having hot water and paying the rent....maybe a little more understanding and empathy about why they have to live on cheap, convenient food might be recommended.
Walk in someone strugglings shoes. Live their life for a week.
And stop assuming everyone is playing the victim.
A"
For those who are in that position there's plenty of available advice on how to eat healthily on a budget. The BBC has loads of recipes and guidance on it, all of which is free to access.
Even if it is the case that some of those are genuinely unable to eat anything other than convenience food (which I don't believe to be cheaper than fresh/frozen veg?), that still doesn't explain or excuse everyone else.
Diet related health issues are going to be a HUGE issue for this country in the near future.
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
"So in this thread people have offered time, lifestyle, transport, cost and knowledge as having an impact on food choices. If you're going to dismiss these as nonsense and personal failings then I'll leave there with you.
Indeed I will.
Always somebody else's responsibility. Somebody else's fault. Bloody government making us eat all that crap. How dare those corporations force us to eat their filth. If only somebody had told me what to do... or even better done it for me. Who knew eating shit food would be bad for my health? We're all victims.
And yet here we are with access to more food and more awareness of what we can do with it, and what it does to us, than at at any point in history.
When some people have to choose between heating their homes, keeping the lights switched on, having hot water and paying the rent....maybe a little more understanding and empathy about why they have to live on cheap, convenient food might be recommended.
Walk in someone strugglings shoes. Live their life for a week.
And stop assuming everyone is playing the victim.
A
For those who are in that position there's plenty of available advice on how to eat healthily on a budget. The BBC has loads of recipes and guidance on it, all of which is free to access.
Even if it is the case that some of those are genuinely unable to eat anything other than convenience food (which I don't believe to be cheaper than fresh/frozen veg?), that still doesn't explain or excuse everyone else.
Diet related health issues are going to be a HUGE issue for this country in the near future.
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Health related issues caused by the economic policies of the current government are going to be a HUGE issue for this country in the near future.
They already are of course....but hey. Easier to blame 'lazy'people of course.
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"Health related issues caused by the economic policies of the current government are going to be a HUGE issue for this country in the near future.
They already are of course....but hey. Easier to blame 'lazy'people of course.
A"
You think?
Seems more people find it easier to sit on their sofa and blame the govt. while munching their way through another sharing sized pack of crisps.
Doughnut anyone? Would you like it delivered? How about a nice fizzy drink to go with it? |
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"There's many factors involved In no particular order and not comprehensive.
Lifestyle, ie working and commuting can leave little time for other things, like cooking.
Education and knowledge, if you don't know then you can't do it.
Infrastructure. Where are the shops and how do you get to them. High Street is long gone.
The environment. What I'm referring to here is what the retailers are allowed to sell. IE, the quality of food.
Housing I think also comes into play. The way people live has changed and the fully working kitchen has evolved.
Is there a gender skills gap? My unscientific opinion is that there is.
Up to post covid time, the alternatives was too easy. Just get it delivered.
No thanks to the global supply crisis and brexit (sorry), the issue has become more pressing.
Just reads like a list of excuses.
People in this country have no excuse for not being educated.
No idea what you mean by a gender skills gap?
In this context education means learning how to cook budget and shop. If you didn't learn from your parents then you were left with the formal education system. When you're an adult you might have the option of learning from other adults.
Gender skillS? Mem aren't as competent as women when it comes to shop, budget and cooking.
Yet, most Michelin starred chefs and celeb chefs are male......
And that probably has more to do with the industry and work environment."
Maybe. But it shows that cooking can be achieved by any gender, if they decide to learn how to do it. My Grandad had to learn at the age of 80 when Grandma died because he'd barely ever boiled an egg. He managed to live to 89 though, so worked it out. Because he had to. It can be done. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
"Health related issues caused by the economic policies of the current government are going to be a HUGE issue for this country in the near future.
They already are of course....but hey. Easier to blame 'lazy'people of course.
A
You think?
Seems more people find it easier to sit on their sofa and blame the govt. while munching their way through another sharing sized pack of crisps.
Doughnut anyone? Would you like it delivered? How about a nice fizzy drink to go with it?"
Ah, the Daily Fail approach to empathy.
Yeah.
On that note I'm out. 
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"Health related issues caused by the economic policies of the current government are going to be a HUGE issue for this country in the near future.
They already are of course....but hey. Easier to blame 'lazy'people of course.
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You think?
Seems more people find it easier to sit on their sofa and blame the govt. while munching their way through another sharing sized pack of crisps.
Doughnut anyone? Would you like it delivered? How about a nice fizzy drink to go with it?
Ah, the Daily Fail approach to empathy.
Yeah.
On that note I'm out.
A"
Empathy for what?
The easy access to nutritious foods?
The decades of health education?
The pretty much unlimited recipes and cooking guidance available?
What else would it take? Maybe a sugar tax? Better labelling? They could even remove the unhealthy snacks from next to the kiosks (cos people just can't help themselves)...
Oh, but they did those things?
Great 'Daily Fail' dig by the way. Because I must be a right wing nut job to suggest people could take responsibility for what they put into their own bodies. How very extreme. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
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"There's many factors involved In no particular order and not comprehensive.
Lifestyle, ie working and commuting can leave little time for other things, like cooking.
Education and knowledge, if you don't know then you can't do it.
Infrastructure. Where are the shops and how do you get to them. High Street is long gone.
The environment. What I'm referring to here is what the retailers are allowed to sell. IE, the quality of food.
Housing I think also comes into play. The way people live has changed and the fully working kitchen has evolved.
Is there a gender skills gap? My unscientific opinion is that there is.
Up to post covid time, the alternatives was too easy. Just get it delivered.
No thanks to the global supply crisis and brexit (sorry), the issue has become more pressing.
Just reads like a list of excuses.
People in this country have no excuse for not being educated.
No idea what you mean by a gender skills gap?
In this context education means learning how to cook budget and shop. If you didn't learn from your parents then you were left with the formal education system. When you're an adult you might have the option of learning from other adults.
Gender skillS? Mem aren't as competent as women when it comes to shop, budget and cooking.
Yet, most Michelin starred chefs and celeb chefs are male......
And that probably has more to do with the industry and work environment.
Maybe. But it shows that cooking can be achieved by any gender, if they decide to learn how to do it. My Grandad had to learn at the age of 80 when Grandma died because he'd barely ever boiled an egg. He managed to live to 89 though, so worked it out. Because he had to. It can be done."
I never said or thought that men are incapable of cooking. But Ramsey et al are to family/personal cooking as David Hockney is to a painter & decorator you'd find on FB. But for a variety of reasons I think men are deficient in terms of cooking shopping and budgeting. Is this evolving? I think it is. |
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M speaking here. Im the one organising all shopping/foods/lunches/meals. I cook from scratch every single meal in our house, when I can breathe I even make natural ice lollies and homemade cookies/flapjacks (you name it!).
In the last 2 years, we haven’t changed our habits but the shopping has gone up almost £100. One McDonald’s breakfast is almost £6 with drink. A full English is 7.99 without drink. If we talk about healthier breakfast, we’re talking about oats, fruit, nuts, yogurt and honey (quick example) and that would be anything but cheap/quick.
Then we throw in the time you spend preparing everything. For many people who work from 9-5 and have to commute (add more or less +2h to that schedule) the last thing they fancy doing is prepping, cutting, chopping and cooking when they arrive home, so they’ll resort to the quick and easy which is not always the healthiest.
There are many many variables of which we can talk about why diet is crappy in general nowadays… and some of them are quite sensitive so I’ll abstain myself of talking about it in public  |
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"M speaking here. Im the one organising all shopping/foods/lunches/meals. I cook from scratch every single meal in our house, when I can breathe I even make natural ice lollies and homemade cookies/flapjacks (you name it!).
In the last 2 years, we haven’t changed our habits but the shopping has gone up almost £100. One McDonald’s breakfast is almost £6 with drink. A full English is 7.99 without drink. If we talk about healthier breakfast, we’re talking about oats, fruit, nuts, yogurt and honey (quick example) and that would be anything but cheap/quick.
Then we throw in the time you spend preparing everything. For many people who work from 9-5 and have to commute (add more or less +2h to that schedule) the last thing they fancy doing is prepping, cutting, chopping and cooking when they arrive home, so they’ll resort to the quick and easy which is not always the healthiest.
There are many many variables of which we can talk about why diet is crappy in general nowadays… and some of them are quite sensitive so I’ll abstain myself of talking about it in public "
750g of oats = 84p (Tesco)
200g Mixed nuts - £2.20
500g frozen fruit = £2.20
Add syrup/honey/yogurt/whatever
That's over a week's healthy breakfasts for less than the cost of one fast food breakfast. Do them as overnight oats and it's next to no time or effort at all (quicker than going to the drive-thru). You can even buy the fruit and nuts chopped!
McDonald's do nice cheap coffee though.
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"M speaking here. Im the one organising all shopping/foods/lunches/meals. I cook from scratch every single meal in our house, when I can breathe I even make natural ice lollies and homemade cookies/flapjacks (you name it!).
In the last 2 years, we haven’t changed our habits but the shopping has gone up almost £100. One McDonald’s breakfast is almost £6 with drink. A full English is 7.99 without drink. If we talk about healthier breakfast, we’re talking about oats, fruit, nuts, yogurt and honey (quick example) and that would be anything but cheap/quick.
Then we throw in the time you spend preparing everything. For many people who work from 9-5 and have to commute (add more or less +2h to that schedule) the last thing they fancy doing is prepping, cutting, chopping and cooking when they arrive home, so they’ll resort to the quick and easy which is not always the healthiest.
There are many many variables of which we can talk about why diet is crappy in general nowadays… and some of them are quite sensitive so I’ll abstain myself of talking about it in public "
Working 9 to 5 isnt really an obstacle to learning about food, buying, preparing and eating well. Its just an excuse. People have always worked hard. And we reap what we sow. |
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By *apybarasCouple
over a year ago
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"M speaking here. Im the one organising all shopping/foods/lunches/meals. I cook from scratch every single meal in our house, when I can breathe I even make natural ice lollies and homemade cookies/flapjacks (you name it!).
In the last 2 years, we haven’t changed our habits but the shopping has gone up almost £100. One McDonald’s breakfast is almost £6 with drink. A full English is 7.99 without drink. If we talk about healthier breakfast, we’re talking about oats, fruit, nuts, yogurt and honey (quick example) and that would be anything but cheap/quick.
Then we throw in the time you spend preparing everything. For many people who work from 9-5 and have to commute (add more or less +2h to that schedule) the last thing they fancy doing is prepping, cutting, chopping and cooking when they arrive home, so they’ll resort to the quick and easy which is not always the healthiest.
There are many many variables of which we can talk about why diet is crappy in general nowadays… and some of them are quite sensitive so I’ll abstain myself of talking about it in public
750g of oats = 84p (Tesco)
200g Mixed nuts - £2.20
500g frozen fruit = £2.20
Add syrup/honey/yogurt/whatever
That's over a week's healthy breakfasts for less than the cost of one fast food breakfast. Do them as overnight oats and it's next to no time or effort at all (quicker than going to the drive-thru). You can even buy the fruit and nuts chopped!
McDonald's do nice cheap coffee though.
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Quite, you can also do similar for a number of meals during the week. I tend to do at least one "big pot" meal at the weekend (sausage stew, fish pie etc.) that I can have a couple of times during the week when time is short.
I generally prep some flat bread (flour, sourdough starter, yogurt 10 minute job) dough and keep it in the fridge, a 3 minute cook on the hob and it's lovely with a bit of salad/cold chicken etc.
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"I'm going to be controversial and say it's the change in the working environment. Gone are the days of one person working households while one stayed at home and did the domestic duties. Consequently, unless both parties agree to split cooking chores, convenience rules.
Bit of a rose tint there......
Women have always worked and those that didn't weren't necessarily domestic goddesses and were mainly the middle classes.
Bit of an enduring trope to be frank. "
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"Theres some really good reasoning in here...so heres an idea and maybe it woukd be better in a new thread.... But.. Tomorrows healthy and affordable meal plan is...? "
Insects.
They were talking about them on the radio a while back. Munching them up into a cheap source of protein. Yum. I think Lidl in Ireland are already selling insect burgers.
I'll stick with beans personally. |
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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago
Derry |
"M speaking here. Im the one organising all shopping/foods/lunches/meals. I cook from scratch every single meal in our house, when I can breathe I even make natural ice lollies and homemade cookies/flapjacks (you name it!).
In the last 2 years, we haven’t changed our habits but the shopping has gone up almost £100. One McDonald’s breakfast is almost £6 with drink. A full English is 7.99 without drink. If we talk about healthier breakfast, we’re talking about oats, fruit, nuts, yogurt and honey (quick example) and that would be anything but cheap/quick.
Then we throw in the time you spend preparing everything. For many people who work from 9-5 and have to commute (add more or less +2h to that schedule) the last thing they fancy doing is prepping, cutting, chopping and cooking when they arrive home, so they’ll resort to the quick and easy which is not always the healthiest.
There are many many variables of which we can talk about why diet is crappy in general nowadays… and some of them are quite sensitive so I’ll abstain myself of talking about it in public
Working 9 to 5 isnt really an obstacle to learning about food, buying, preparing and eating well. Its just an excuse. People have always worked hard. And we reap what we sow. "
If you're going to dismiss answers as excuses and say it just comes down to personal responsibility. Why even ask the question? |
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"M speaking here. Im the one organising all shopping/foods/lunches/meals. I cook from scratch every single meal in our house, when I can breathe I even make natural ice lollies and homemade cookies/flapjacks (you name it!).
In the last 2 years, we haven’t changed our habits but the shopping has gone up almost £100. One McDonald’s breakfast is almost £6 with drink. A full English is 7.99 without drink. If we talk about healthier breakfast, we’re talking about oats, fruit, nuts, yogurt and honey (quick example) and that would be anything but cheap/quick.
Then we throw in the time you spend preparing everything. For many people who work from 9-5 and have to commute (add more or less +2h to that schedule) the last thing they fancy doing is prepping, cutting, chopping and cooking when they arrive home, so they’ll resort to the quick and easy which is not always the healthiest.
There are many many variables of which we can talk about why diet is crappy in general nowadays… and some of them are quite sensitive so I’ll abstain myself of talking about it in public "
It's pretty economical to buy frozen veg and fruit and it's pre chopped. You can make a quick stir fry with some chicken thigh meat (de bone of an evening, freeze in suitable portion sizes and defrost as needed, we do this), frozen peppers and other veg straight from the freezer bag. If you're really pressed for time, own brand microwave rice pouches are okay but obviously cheaper to wait for it to cook in a pan from dried rice or use cheap noodles.
We work 08:30-16:30 (him) and 10:00-18:00. We're out of the house by 07:05 (him) or 08:15 (me) and due to childcare pick ups, no-one is ever home before 18:00. We work it by pre chopping everything at weekends and freezing/storing in ready to go portions. We use chopped frozen veg, canned pulses etc. We use a slow cooker on a timer, prepped the night before and batch cook and then freeze portions for the future etc.
Yes, we're lucky to be able to afford a big freezer, but it's been an excellent investment. Cost about £150 10yrs ago, still going strong. |
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"M speaking here. Im the one organising all shopping/foods/lunches/meals. I cook from scratch every single meal in our house, when I can breathe I even make natural ice lollies and homemade cookies/flapjacks (you name it!).
In the last 2 years, we haven’t changed our habits but the shopping has gone up almost £100. One McDonald’s breakfast is almost £6 with drink. A full English is 7.99 without drink. If we talk about healthier breakfast, we’re talking about oats, fruit, nuts, yogurt and honey (quick example) and that would be anything but cheap/quick.
Then we throw in the time you spend preparing everything. For many people who work from 9-5 and have to commute (add more or less +2h to that schedule) the last thing they fancy doing is prepping, cutting, chopping and cooking when they arrive home, so they’ll resort to the quick and easy which is not always the healthiest.
There are many many variables of which we can talk about why diet is crappy in general nowadays… and some of them are quite sensitive so I’ll abstain myself of talking about it in public
Working 9 to 5 isnt really an obstacle to learning about food, buying, preparing and eating well. Its just an excuse. People have always worked hard. And we reap what we sow.
If you're going to dismiss answers as excuses and say it just comes down to personal responsibility. Why even ask the question?"
There may be other answers than only one.
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"Why does it matter what one person does/eat. It causes no harm to you, its their body to do what they see fit with it. If they want to eat pizza or a salad every day then good for them "
Well that is somewhat true. I think the issue largely is down to the impact other peoples health and well being and happiness has upon those in their community. Today and tomorrow. No man is an island and we are all connected. Everything we do has consequences. |
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