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By (user no longer on site) OP
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So being a Chelsea fan since i was knee high ( my mum went out with a chelsea striker in the 60's lol ) and at running the risk no doubt i will be slated for this i wanted to put across my thoughts on football.....
What i find ironic is that many people slate, hate and show general contempt for football teams based purely on location, management or money.
I try my hardest to support my team for playing great football, and will happily accept a loss if beaten fairly by a better team on the day. Why there is so much hatred in football is beyond me, racism, violence, far too much money and a general ethos of prima donna god like icons is ruining the beautiful game !!
When i grew up in the 80's watching football it was amazing, simply great football and phenomenal skills and players whatever happened to that ?? Seems the whole thing needs a bloody boot up the ass and sorted out so we can get back to the days of good sportsmanship and great football !!
I do not condone, justify or support any of the bad things that have happened with Chelsea of late, but it does not stop them being a really good football team who when in full flow can deliver some of the greatest football on show. If you dont like them thats your choice but base your judgement on how they play football not who they are owned by or managed by. And that applies to all teams.
Lets bring back the love of the game and put a stop to the racism, violence and stupidness and get back to watching 2 teams playing fantastic football 
Just my 5 pence worth lol |
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I've been a Chelsea fan since I was seven. I thought we'd got rid of the constant embarrassment of Ken Bates but its just as bad now.
Sometimes I think I preferred it when we were shit |
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"Twenty two adults chasing a bag of wind around a well kempt lawn, the wonders of sport, look at golf hit a ball go find it...........what next?"
Technically its 20 adults running round a " well kempt lawn " as the goalkeepers tend to stay in goal  |
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"I've been a Chelsea fan since I was seven. I thought we'd got rid of the constant embarrassment of Ken Bates but its just as bad now.
Sometimes I think I preferred it when we were shit "
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"So being a Chelsea fan since i was knee high ( my mum went out with a chelsea striker in the 60's lol ) and at running the risk no doubt i will be slated for this i wanted to put across my thoughts on football.....
What i find ironic is that many people slate, hate and show general contempt for football teams based purely on location, management or money.
I try my hardest to support my team for playing great football, and will happily accept a loss if beaten fairly by a better team on the day. Why there is so much hatred in football is beyond me, racism, violence, far too much money and a general ethos of prima donna god like icons is ruining the beautiful game !!
When i grew up in the 80's watching football it was amazing, simply great football and phenomenal skills and players whatever happened to that ?? Seems the whole thing needs a bloody boot up the ass and sorted out so we can get back to the days of good sportsmanship and great football !!
I do not condone, justify or support any of the bad things that have happened with Chelsea of late, but it does not stop them being a really good football team who when in full flow can deliver some of the greatest football on show. If you dont like them thats your choice but base your judgement on how they play football not who they are owned by or managed by. And that applies to all teams.
Lets bring back the love of the game and put a stop to the racism, violence and stupidness and get back to watching 2 teams playing fantastic football
Just my 5 pence worth lol "
Agree with you, the Clattenburg bit and last night is a disgrace, I watched an interview with Denis Law after that, and I realised how things had changed for the worse. |
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"Twenty two adults chasing a bag of wind around a well kept lawn, the wonders of sport, look at golf hit a ball go find it...........what next?"
Yes, perhaps so. But what else can illicit such passion (not always good passion, granted) as sport? Millions of people live their lives around sport, either playing or travelling the world in support. So thanks for your comments but the majority of mankind disagrees with you. lol.
To the OP, back in the 80's where you infer footballing nirvana there was way more violence on the terraces than we see now so i think there have been forward steps since then. Also, the standard of skill is far greater now, also the business side of football is bigger and better than ever. Where i do agree, however, is the focus should be back on the game itself and not the money behind it. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Twenty two adults chasing a bag of wind around a well kept lawn, the wonders of sport, look at golf hit a ball go find it...........what next?
Yes, perhaps so. But what else can illicit such passion (not always good passion, granted) as sport? Millions of people live their lives around sport, either playing or travelling the world in support. So thanks for your comments but the majority of mankind disagrees with you. lol.
To the OP, back in the 80's where you infer footballing nirvana there was way more violence on the terraces than we see now so i think there have been forward steps since then. Also, the standard of skill is far greater now, also the business side of football is bigger and better than ever. Where i do agree, however, is the focus should be back on the game itself and not the money behind it."
I disagree i dont think the level of skill is better its just taken a different slant due to huge academies and the enhancement of training facilities, 20 years ago it was raw , natural skill which made a good player not manufactured players bought up from an early age to dive, roll around in pain at the touch of a feather etc.
The violence on the terraces i agree with you and that has been a good thing, the business side of things becoming bigger etc has marred and overtaken the game and as a previous poster said one word that has ruined football MONEY !!! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I realised how things had changed for the worse.
As Bob Dylan once sang "Times, they are a changing"
Jumpers fer goalposts 'n all that eh  "
Ha ha that made me think of Ron Manager from the fast show |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Money has ruined the game, and having dealt with the money men at the highest levels in the game I'm afraid to say it is worse than many of you could imagine.
I now get my enjoyment from coaching and watching youth football and adult amateur football, where people play for the love of the game, enjoyment, and a beer and a bit of a social side (not the kids obviously!) afterwards. |
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"Money has ruined the game, and having dealt with the money men at the highest levels in the game I'm afraid to say it is worse than many of you could imagine.
I now get my enjoyment from coaching and watching youth football and adult amateur football, where people play for the love of the game, enjoyment, and a beer and a bit of a social side (not the kids obviously!) afterwards."
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A footnote to all football fans: read Gary Nelsons two biogs, which gives a real insight into the cutthroat world of professional football at two levels.
The professional game ( as with the entertainment world ) is all about achieving the dream: for the players, the chairmen( and women ) and the supporters. It is escapism. Whilst there is a market, it has been exploited by the sponsors and the media to get across their products and sell subscriptions, this is what has pushed up and inflated wages and disengaged the players from the fans. Technology has improved the surfaces and this is reflected in the emphasis and development of a lesser contact sport with improved accuracy with more athletic, faster players that have to fit a body type. Football has moved away from the pie and pint culture, in outdated and often not fit for purpose stadia, into a leisure industry, moved with the times and a result of some dreadful incidents into an all seater, segregated theatre. The players are rewarded accordingly. Film stars play out to lesser audiences and do far less for far more, with a career that lasts far longer. They are an easy target, as they are the visible side of the "beautiful game". It's the administrators and the money men who are the real power. Look at the FA's and FIFA's posted accounts, or the biggest revenue stream for the satelite TV companies. It is we, the public who have created this monster. |
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As anyone who's been on here a while will know about me, football is my passion. I'd even go as far as to say I'd pass on having sex if it meant I got to see an important match. I'd turn down Miss World to see a world Cup Final. I'd turn down a session with all Miss World contenders to see England in it.
There is much wrong with the game, and that is personified in the continued presence of Sepp Blatter as head of Fifa. It is difficult to instigate the changes needed to make football repsectable again when a man like him remains at the helm of world football, but his time will end one day, and hopefully one day soon. The money awash in the game is neither here nor there, it's just business and many stars of yesterday have said they wished they had had the earning potential that today's stars have. Golf, Pro-Tennis, and F1 are no different in terms of how they remunerate their biggest stars, and it is like that because these men and women sell shirts and increase sponsor brand awareness.
Putting all that aside though, I am a subcriber to The Blizzard, which is a quarterly journal, that was started in Sundelrand in 2011 and it features reports and editorials about football from all around the world that you never get to read in the mainstream press, and one of those reports looked into the passion between fans that the OP touched upon. The Blizzard conducted extensive research and found that young men need an outlet for the testosterone pumping through their systems and in the past, when it was an almost generational occurence, war filled that gap. It doesn't any longer though and since WW2 we've had three generations of men who have never been to war (apart from those who actively enlist and seek out a career in the armed forces), but in it's place world football has risen to the fore and all that aggression and testosterone has latched onto it which is why opposing fans are vehement in their hatred of fans of other teams. Of course, we don't go around with machine guns shooting opposing supporters (although yes, it does sometimes explode into deadly violence but that's more at international level football, which kind of backs up what I'm saying).
The majority of true fans of football enjoy the rivalries and the history between certain clubs. We enjoy the passion that is evoked when our team scores the winning goal in the final seconds of a game. We fall into a brief despair when we lose a game in the dying minutes, but it soon passes, and life goes on.
What I love about football the most though, is that I can walk into any pub on match day anywhere in the country and get involved in the banter that abounds during a game. So long as I'm not stupid and walk into a Newcastle pub wearing my Man Utd shirt when Man Uts are actually playing Newcastle, I'm quite safe supporting my team and having a laugh with supporters of other teams (up here it's Newcastle or Sunderland and that's it, they're a partisan lot lol).
With football, I'll never walk alone. |
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The advent of the Premiership coupled with an impotent FA has led to the demise of the game and true competition virtually removed
Top flight players are only bothered about who pays most and as for being a man's game the premiership is full of diving prima donnas who'd crap themselves if Tony Adams or Roy Keane came near them
But one bright light in the gloom is the success of Bradford City - total cost £7,500 and they beat 3 premiership teams, lest hope they make it 4 |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The advent of the Premiership coupled with an impotent FA has led to the demise of the game and true competition virtually removed
Top flight players are only bothered about who pays most and as for being a man's game the premiership is full of diving prima donnas who'd crap themselves if Tony Adams or Roy Keane came near them
But one bright light in the gloom is the success of Bradford City - total cost £7,500 and they beat 3 premiership teams, lest hope they make it 4 "
I'd love to see it happen but I fear they've had their luck. This is the first final Swansea have ever reached and they beat the current European Champions to get there. Being realistic, it would take a capitulation of gargantuan porportions by Swansea for Bradford to win the Final. |
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"The advent of the Premiership coupled with an impotent FA has led to the demise of the game and true competition virtually removed
Top flight players are only bothered about who pays most and as for being a man's game the premiership is full of diving prima donnas who'd crap themselves if Tony Adams or Roy Keane came near them
But one bright light in the gloom is the success of Bradford City - total cost £7,500 and they beat 3 premiership teams, lest hope they make it 4
I'd love to see it happen but I fear they've had their luck. This is the first final Swansea have ever reached and they beat the current European Champions to get there. Being realistic, it would take a capitulation of gargantuan porportions by Swansea for Bradford to win the Final."
I agree but there is hope - in 1991 I saw Sheffield Wednesday beat Man Utd in the League Cup. No one outside Sheffield gaves us a hope
So upsets do happen and I hope Bradford can pull off the biggest upset of all time |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The advent of the Premiership coupled with an impotent FA has led to the demise of the game and true competition virtually removed
Top flight players are only bothered about who pays most and as for being a man's game the premiership is full of diving prima donnas who'd crap themselves if Tony Adams or Roy Keane came near them
But one bright light in the gloom is the success of Bradford City - total cost £7,500 and they beat 3 premiership teams, lest hope they make it 4
I'd love to see it happen but I fear they've had their luck. This is the first final Swansea have ever reached and they beat the current European Champions to get there. Being realistic, it would take a capitulation of gargantuan porportions by Swansea for Bradford to win the Final.
I agree but there is hope - in 1991 I saw Sheffield Wednesday beat Man Utd in the League Cup. No one outside Sheffield gaves us a hope
So upsets do happen and I hope Bradford can pull off the biggest upset of all time "
It gets them a Europa spot if they win it too. You might get to see some good European teams at the Valley as a bonus. |
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Too much money is part of the issue, however the balance of players wages being capped decades ago needed addressing..
i used to love the game with a passion but have lost interest in it by and large over the last few years..
used to always support a local team due to living over 200+ miles from where i was born and raised..
yes i will still keep an eye on results and engage in banter from some of you lot who support lesser teams lol..
but i think its out of control financially and in some cases morally also, the pricing for 'normal' folk, the bad examples being set by some..
most of the clubs are so in debt they would be in any other industry declared bankrupt..
we live in a capitalist society and planet with the benefits and pitfalls of that but when some players earn in excess of £200k per week for what used to be the people's game i scratch my head tbh..
yes its supply and demand, yes no one is forced to pay tens of thousands of pounds for a season ticket..
just think its unsustainable the way its going, who in the future will be able to afford to go to a game if it stays on its current upward path..
hey ho
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"Too much money is part of the issue, however the balance of players wages being capped decades ago needed addressing..
i used to love the game with a passion but have lost interest in it by and large over the last few years..
used to always support a local team due to living over 200+ miles from where i was born and raised..
yes i will still keep an eye on results and engage in banter from some of you lot who support lesser teams lol..
but i think its out of control financially and in some cases morally also, the pricing for 'normal' folk, the bad examples being set by some..
most of the clubs are so in debt they would be in any other industry declared bankrupt..
we live in a capitalist society and planet with the benefits and pitfalls of that but when some players earn in excess of £200k per week for what used to be the people's game i scratch my head tbh..
yes its supply and demand, yes no one is forced to pay tens of thousands of pounds for a season ticket..
just think its unsustainable the way its going, who in the future will be able to afford to go to a game if it stays on its current upward path..
hey ho
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Totally agree !! Such a shame there is no quick sure fire way to resolve it all  |
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"Too much money is part of the issue, however the balance of players wages being capped decades ago needed addressing..
i used to love the game with a passion but have lost interest in it by and large over the last few years..
used to always support a local team due to living over 200+ miles from where i was born and raised..
yes i will still keep an eye on results and engage in banter from some of you lot who support lesser teams lol..
but i think its out of control financially and in some cases morally also, the pricing for 'normal' folk, the bad examples being set by some..
most of the clubs are so in debt they would be in any other industry declared bankrupt..
we live in a capitalist society and planet with the benefits and pitfalls of that but when some players earn in excess of £200k per week for what used to be the people's game i scratch my head tbh..
yes its supply and demand, yes no one is forced to pay tens of thousands of pounds for a season ticket..
just think its unsustainable the way its going, who in the future will be able to afford to go to a game if it stays on its current upward path..
hey ho
"
Good old Jimmy Hill!! The game in England is far more sustainable than in other parts of Europe ( ref the galacticos part 1, Zidane, Figo etc,, where RM, had to sell off half it's real estate assets to fund the debt it cost them ), with a major revenue stream coming over the turnstyle as opposed to the ticket prices in Europe. It's about demand. Accepting the lower league clubs have a far more difficult time financially, the top tier of English football has full stadia with most clubs having a waiting list on season tickets or home game tickets. Try and get a ticket for The Arsenal, Liverpool! The prices set are what the clubs believe they can get for their product, we may moan about it, but we still attend the games...if and when we can get tickets. Players and their wages are reflective of what they can get. They wouldn't be paid the salaries they enjoy if there wasn't the demand. It was the case in Italy, where all the top players migrated there, then Spain, now it's England. |
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"Too much money is part of the issue, however the balance of players wages being capped decades ago needed addressing..
i used to love the game with a passion but have lost interest in it by and large over the last few years..
used to always support a local team due to living over 200+ miles from where i was born and raised..
yes i will still keep an eye on results and engage in banter from some of you lot who support lesser teams lol..
but i think its out of control financially and in some cases morally also, the pricing for 'normal' folk, the bad examples being set by some..
most of the clubs are so in debt they would be in any other industry declared bankrupt..
we live in a capitalist society and planet with the benefits and pitfalls of that but when some players earn in excess of £200k per week for what used to be the people's game i scratch my head tbh..
yes its supply and demand, yes no one is forced to pay tens of thousands of pounds for a season ticket..
just think its unsustainable the way its going, who in the future will be able to afford to go to a game if it stays on its current upward path..
hey ho
Good old Jimmy Hill!! The game in England is far more sustainable than in other parts of Europe ( ref the galacticos part 1, Zidane, Figo etc,, where RM, had to sell off half it's real estate assets to fund the debt it cost them ), with a major revenue stream coming over the turnstyle as opposed to the ticket prices in Europe. It's about demand. Accepting the lower league clubs have a far more difficult time financially, the top tier of English football has full stadia with most clubs having a waiting list on season tickets or home game tickets. Try and get a ticket for The Arsenal, Liverpool! The prices set are what the clubs believe they can get for their product, we may moan about it, but we still attend the games...if and when we can get tickets. Players and their wages are reflective of what they can get. They wouldn't be paid the salaries they enjoy if there wasn't the demand. It was the case in Italy, where all the top players migrated there, then Spain, now it's England. "
It needed sorting though the pendulum has gone too far or is in the process of doing so..
part of my point is the escalation of salaries to attract these 'superstars'..
how much would Man city pay Mese per week, £300k or anything he asked..
bottomless pit clubs can do so and the owners take the hit, when the others try and follow suit its the fans that are picking up the bill..
and yes i agree that some within society can afford the cost, but not all..
on its current path it will be out of the reach of the majority of folk in this country..
i dont think thats right or the way to go..
all gravy trains hit the buffers at some stage.. |
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"The advent of the Premiership coupled with an impotent FA has led to the demise of the game and true competition virtually removed
Top flight players are only bothered about who pays most and as for being a man's game the premiership is full of diving prima donnas who'd crap themselves if Tony Adams or Roy Keane came near them
But one bright light in the gloom is the success of Bradford City - total cost £7,500 and they beat 3 premiership teams, lest hope they make it 4
I'd love to see it happen but I fear they've had their luck. This is the first final Swansea have ever reached and they beat the current European Champions to get there. Being realistic, it would take a capitulation of gargantuan porportions by Swansea for Bradford to win the Final.
I agree but there is hope - in 1991 I saw Sheffield Wednesday beat Man Utd in the League Cup. No one outside Sheffield gaves us a hope
So upsets do happen and I hope Bradford can pull off the biggest upset of all time
It gets them a Europa spot if they win it too. You might get to see some good European teams at the Valley as a bonus. "
yeah but can they do it on a warm and breezy evening in Valencia |
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