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"I think the issue is the grooming as far as I see it, then it seems his arrogance so they are going after him as likely people he had sacked or side shifted likely work for other media outlets now. Reap what you sow I guess, the young man in question is likely being offered a fortune to talk." How do you know its grooming? What you read in the papers? Because newspapers don't lie? | |||
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"I think the issue is the grooming as far as I see it, then it seems his arrogance so they are going after him as likely people he had sacked or side shifted likely work for other media outlets now. Reap what you sow I guess, the young man in question is likely being offered a fortune to talk. How do you know its grooming? What you read in the papers? Because newspapers don't lie?" Have a look at what grooming defines as I’m pretty sure most of the aspects of what it entails applies here. | |||
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"I think the issue is the grooming as far as I see it, then it seems his arrogance so they are going after him as likely people he had sacked or side shifted likely work for other media outlets now. Reap what you sow I guess, the young man in question is likely being offered a fortune to talk. How do you know its grooming? What you read in the papers? Because newspapers don't lie?" He met him as a young teen on a school visit & started contact on twitter when the kid was 15 as reported. Happy for you to stick up for Schofield but if these were lies he'd be suing the reports. Do you not think that's grooming or is it a coincidence that once he was 18 this teen from the North West was living in London & working on his show & was his lover? | |||
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"Age gap aside, there is something murky about helping a young teen into the industry then starting a relationship with them. Irtespective of it starting once the lad had reached the age of consent, it looks from the outside like Schofield took a shine to him, helped him in every way possible and ensured that he managed to work in close proximity to him. It sounds predatory to me. For all the cries of witch hunt etc, for everyone to drop him like a hot potato implies there is more yet to come. The everyone is out to get me feels a lot like he doesn't feel like he has done anyyhing wrong. If he had done the same with a teen girl, I suspect the level of outrage would be far higher. " Exactly, nobody knows if this man ‘willingly’ wanted to be in a relationship with Scofield or if it’s because he felt he owed him something. Plus, there is a big age gap, power imbalance and therefore never an equal. What else could he give Scofield except himself and it would appear Schofield made it blatant he liked him sexually as at this point he was still masquerading behind his wife and kids! | |||
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"The legal age for gay men is 16 so this feels like a disguised attack on someone being in the public eye and being gay..remember the newspapers hacked a dead teenagers phone so this is another hunt by the right wing press and from some very bitter ex co-workers " So the fact Schofield knew him from being a minor means nothing and potentially groomed him for his own gain? | |||
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"The legal age for gay men is 16 so this feels like a disguised attack on someone being in the public eye and being gay..remember the newspapers hacked a dead teenagers phone so this is another hunt by the right wing press and from some very bitter ex co-workers " Also, sexuality isn’t the issue here!! | |||
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"Yes deffo a witch hunt imo! X" If a witch hunt is him being shown for who he truly is, then let the witch hunt commence! | |||
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"The legal age for gay men is 16 so this feels like a disguised attack on someone being in the public eye and being gay..remember the newspapers hacked a dead teenagers phone so this is another hunt by the right wing press and from some very bitter ex co-workers " There you go, exposed yourself as a Liberal leftie. You can't comprehend the cohersion or grooming, maybe it's acceptable to you but to the majority it isn't. At 16 yes you can bum a 61yr old but it's not morally correct and less so if you are stepping into a world of advantage supplied by the 61yr old. It's grooming absolutely 100%. | |||
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"A handy distraction for the masses. Forget record breaking inflation, the steady erosion of civil liberties, government cronyism, destruction of the NHS and justice system, the blatant failure of privatised utility companies and energy strategy, the wholesale lack of investment in renewable energy - oh the shit-show that is Britain." All these things will still exist regardless of this ‘distraction’ but then again the fact that the energy rises were constantly wrote about made no difference did it? | |||
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" There you go, exposed yourself as a Liberal leftie." Sorry but that sentence is hilarious. “Exposed” as if being on the left is something to be ashamed of  | |||
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" There you go, exposed yourself as a Liberal leftie. Sorry but that sentence is hilarious. “Exposed” as if being on the left is something to be ashamed of "No, not at all & it should be irrelevant but Goofy attacks the right wing press which is equally irrelevant so thats where the dig comes from. Always someone trying to turn any forum into politics. This is beyond politics surely? | |||
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"Another guilty until proven innocent by the fabulous theatre news case, we have been here many times before, and he will be investigated by the police, IF there are any unlawful occurrences. Moral bandwagons aside, I've no Intention of judgement on the man without knowing the FULL facts..." Will you have access to the FULL facts or like everyone else just have to take what's reported. | |||
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" There you go, exposed yourself as a Liberal leftie. Sorry but that sentence is hilarious. “Exposed” as if being on the left is something to be ashamed of
No, not at all & it should be irrelevant but Goofy attacks the right wing press which is equally irrelevant so thats where the dig comes from.
Always someone trying to turn any forum into politics.
This is beyond politics surely?"For balance and just for you Fuck all the newspapers x | |||
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" There you go, exposed yourself as a Liberal leftie. Sorry but that sentence is hilarious. “Exposed” as if being on the left is something to be ashamed of
No, not at all & it should be irrelevant but Goofy attacks the right wing press which is equally irrelevant so thats where the dig comes from.
Always someone trying to turn any forum into politics.
This is beyond politics surely?"I agree, politics is completely irrelevant to this conversation. | |||
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"Deep breath....is this now just a witch hunt? An older man has a relationship with a younger not under age man! Ok he lied at work but how many other mature gents have wanted something with a younger person at work? Does his actions effect your life? I cant see what he has done illegally! Its a morning show on the telly ffs! All he is guilty of is being in a relationship with someone at work, a consensual relationship by the way.so he lied about it..maybe because he was embarrassed! Feel free to pull me up on this but like you im not privy to any of this and its just my opinion x I agree. It's no one's goddam business. no one is an angel. I personally don't like him and don't care but they should stop all this. It's such a British trait to boost up people then delight in bringing them down. Some of his so called friends are not friends. " He is very much brought about his own fall from grace! | |||
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"Deep breath....is this now just a witch hunt? An older man has a relationship with a younger not under age man! Ok he lied at work but how many other mature gents have wanted something with a younger person at work? Does his actions effect your life? I cant see what he has done illegally! Its a morning show on the telly ffs! All he is guilty of is being in a relationship with someone at work, a consensual relationship by the way.so he lied about it..maybe because he was embarrassed! Feel free to pull me up on this but like you im not privy to any of this and its just my opinion x I agree. It's no one's goddam business. no one is an angel. I personally don't like him and don't care but they should stop all this. It's such a British trait to boost up people then delight in bringing them down. Some of his so called friends are not friends. He is very much brought about his own fall from grace! " Has* | |||
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"The legal age for gay men is 16 so this feels like a disguised attack on someone being in the public eye and being gay..remember the newspapers hacked a dead teenagers phone so this is another hunt by the right wing press and from some very bitter ex co-workers There you go, exposed yourself as a Liberal leftie. You can't comprehend the cohersion or grooming, maybe it's acceptable to you but to the majority it isn't. At 16 yes you can bum a 61yr old but it's not morally correct and less so if you are stepping into a world of advantage supplied by the 61yr old. It's grooming absolutely 100%." Liberal Leftie here… It’s got nothing to do with being liberal or “woke” or any bullshit derogatory term you can come up with for a person with compassion or views you may label “PC”. Personally I think what has allegedly transpired (because we don’t 100% know the facts) between PS and the other guy is at the very least extremely dodgy and deserving of potential criminal investigation, and at worst extremely predatory. Opinions on things aren’t on some black or white made up political spectrum | |||
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"Yes deffo a witch hunt imo! X If a witch hunt is him being shown for who he truly is, then let the witch hunt commence! " Or not!! X | |||
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"Deep breath....is this now just a witch hunt? An older man has a relationship with a younger not under age man! Ok he lied at work but how many other mature gents have wanted something with a younger person at work? Does his actions effect your life? I cant see what he has done illegally! Its a morning show on the telly ffs! All he is guilty of is being in a relationship with someone at work, a consensual relationship by the way.so he lied about it..maybe because he was embarrassed! Feel free to pull me up on this but like you im not privy to any of this and its just my opinion x"  | |||
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"It's Ironic all the comments on here from people on a sex site. "Yeah because potentially having groomed a teenager is on a par with adults having consensual sex. | |||
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"It's Ironic all the comments on here from people on a sex site. "I’d be seriously worried if you think swinging and potential grooming are the same thing. | |||
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"Consensual " I would suggest you look at what grooming actually is… and if you still see no potential issue then I hope plenty of other people see your comments and take note | |||
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"It's Ironic all the comments on here from people on a sex site. "How is that ironic? | |||
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"Watch this space saying nothing but unless he gets Starmer to intervene like Starmer did with Saville the poo will hit the fan " Keir Starmer had nothing to do with Saville not being prosecuted. He actually commissioned an investigation into why Saville wasn’t | |||
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"It's Ironic all the comments on here from people on a sex site. "We are all just ordinary people are we not or are you extra ordinary, we just have freedom of speach just like everyone  | |||
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"Age gap aside, there is something murky about helping a young teen into the industry then starting a relationship with them. Irtespective of it starting once the lad had reached the age of consent, it looks from the outside like Schofield took a shine to him, helped him in every way possible and ensured that he managed to work in close proximity to him. It sounds predatory to me. For all the cries of witch hunt etc, for everyone to drop him like a hot potato implies there is more yet to come. The everyone is out to get me feels a lot like he doesn't feel like he has done anyyhing wrong. If he had done the same with a teen girl, I suspect the level of outrage would be far higher. " Absolutely. It's casting couch, young impressionable person trying to get into the industry is taken advantage of by an older professional. The fact the relationship (I don't mean that as sexual, as in them knowing each other) was started when he was underage makes it even worse. | |||
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"It's Ironic all the comments on here from people on a sex site. "Yeah because swinging and grooming underage kids are the same 
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"Even though Starmer was in charge of deciding who gets prosecuted.Starmer investigates Starmer,wonder what the outcome of that is.Given he can't define a biological woman,nothing probably.or perhaps older boys did it and ran away.He's become some sort of Uncle Albert,instead of "during the war" it's "when I was head of the CPS".Always successes though,funny that." A couple of points… 1. Being head of the CPS doesn’t mean you’re in charge of who gets prosecuted, there’s no one person in this country with that power or authority. 2. The investigation that he commissioned into the lack of prosecution for Saville was critical of both police and prosecutors But obviously people like to just believe what they’re told…. Which is possibly relevant in the current case in question | |||
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"The legal age for gay men is 16 so this feels like a disguised attack on someone being in the public eye and being gay..remember the newspapers hacked a dead teenagers phone so this is another hunt by the right wing press and from some very bitter ex co-workers " Very much this | |||
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"Even though Starmer was in charge of deciding who gets prosecuted.Starmer investigates Starmer,wonder what the outcome of that is.Given he can't define a biological woman,nothing probably.or perhaps older boys did it and ran away.He's become some sort of Uncle Albert,instead of "during the war" it's "when I was head of the CPS".Always successes though,funny that. A couple of points… 1. Being head of the CPS doesn’t mean you’re in charge of who gets prosecuted, there’s no one person in this country with that power or authority. 2. The investigation that he commissioned into the lack of prosecution for Saville was critical of both police and prosecutors But obviously people like to just believe what they’re told…. Which is possibly relevant in the current case in question " Prosecutions or not are not decided by committee.Starmer had influence,he could have gone higher,Attorney General or Home Sec,influence as Good as an instruction. Saville wasn't tried,he was dead. I don't believe what I want.The earlier post about the Barry Bennell situation is evidence of that. | |||
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"Deep breath....is this now just a witch hunt? An older man has a relationship with a younger not under age man! Ok he lied at work but how many other mature gents have wanted something with a younger person at work? Does his actions effect your life? I cant see what he has done illegally! Its a morning show on the telly ffs! All he is guilty of is being in a relationship with someone at work, a consensual relationship by the way.so he lied about it..maybe because he was embarrassed! Feel free to pull me up on this but like you im not privy to any of this and it’s just my opinion x" he met the lad when the lad was under 16…. Schofield said nothing happened before he was of legal age but then again, schofield has also proven that he is a liar, so maybe this isn’t true either? Also, it could be considered grooming. | |||
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"The media has spoken. Now be good little lemmings and hang him from the nearest lamppost. " Nonsense. This story has been doing the rounds since before he came out as gay. Of course the media is bitter as he killed their stories with a super injunction, but that's not why people are angry at him and they're not being the media's lemmings. I've found him a slimy annoying twat for years so I'm personally glad he's getting his comeuppance. | |||
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"Yet no one ever mentioned Cheryl Cole knowing Liam Payne at 14 and went on to have a kid together ! It's ironic how because it's a man that's elegiably done.... its all wrong "I said at the time that I found this bizarre and weird. The same as I do with Schofield. But what I say in private obviously isn't what is said loudest in public. | |||
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"Yet no one ever mentioned Cheryl Cole knowing Liam Payne at 14 and went on to have a kid together ! It's ironic how because it's a man that's elegiably done.... its all wrong
I said at the time that I found this bizarre and weird. The same as I do with Schofield. But what I say in private obviously isn't what is said loudest in public. "Totally agree with you | |||
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"I cant see the difference between what Schofield has done and what Cheryl cole did. She mentored a 14 year old lad and then later had a child with him. Seems to be some double standards here. " Oh no, not double standards. That's unthinkable | |||
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"I cant see the difference between what Schofield has done and what Cheryl cole did. She mentored a 14 year old lad and then later had a child with him. Seems to be some double standards here. " I said that wasn’t right when they got together but the majority were okay with it. I guess it’s comparable to when a teenager sleeps with their teacher - if the child is a boy he gets pats on the back and jokes are made, if it’s a girl the teacher is a paedo. It’s the old boy’s attitude of “wahey he got laid” that completely dismisses that grown women shouldn’t be going after kids either. IMO Cheryl should have been criticised the same way Schofe is… she mentored him then had his baby! | |||
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"A handy distraction for the masses. Forget record breaking inflation, the steady erosion of civil liberties, government cronyism, destruction of the NHS and justice system, the blatant failure of privatised utility companies and energy strategy, the wholesale lack of investment in renewable energy - oh the shit-show that is Britain." I mean at least it spared the trans community a day off getting blown up each day by shitty news rags/ websites | |||
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"It's difficult until we know the full story from both sides and there's scant hope of that. I'm the meantime I'm reserving judgement " Agree with your measured approach. It smells bad, but we don’t know the true story. | |||
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"they could be leaving themselves open to be sued for libel or slander." Yep, or I’d be mentioning a famously litigious aging pop singer, who reputedly has been “doing a Kevin Spacey” since day one, but somehow got away with it. | |||
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"I cant see the difference between what Schofield has done and what Cheryl cole did. She mentored a 14 year old lad and then later had a child with him. Seems to be some double standards here. I said that wasn’t right when they got together but the majority were okay with it. I guess it’s comparable to when a teenager sleeps with their teacher - if the child is a boy he gets pats on the back and jokes are made, if it’s a girl the teacher is a paedo. It’s the old boy’s attitude of “wahey he got laid” that completely dismisses that grown women shouldn’t be going after kids either. IMO Cheryl should have been criticised the same way Schofe is… she mentored him then had his baby!" When Cheryl Cole first met Liam at 14 he didn’t get through. It was later when he joined with the other members of one direction when he was 16 and they auditioned for x-factor. When they were together he was 22! It’s not the same thing at all. She didn’t groom him or abuse a position of trust. | |||
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"Watch this space saying nothing but unless he gets Starmer to intervene like Starmer did with Saville the poo will hit the fan Keir Starmer had nothing to do with Saville not being prosecuted. He actually commissioned an investigation into why Saville wasn’t " Rubbish Statmer was director of public prosecutions at the time and denied investigations into Saville | |||
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"Watch this space saying nothing but unless he gets Starmer to intervene like Starmer did with Saville the poo will hit the fan Keir Starmer had nothing to do with Saville not being prosecuted. He actually commissioned an investigation into why Saville wasn’t Rubbish Statmer was director of public prosecutions at the time and denied investigations into Saville " He did not. The decision not to prosecute was taken without consultation with Starmer. This is easy enough to fact check. Even Boris Johnson had to give one of his half hearted apologies for saying this. He only did that Starmer when was mobbed by an angry misinformed crowd | |||
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"Johnson said "I totally understand that he had nothing to do personally with those decisions"" A clear case of flinging mud and it sticking though | |||
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"Johnson said "I totally understand that he had nothing to do personally with those decisions" A clear case of flinging mud and it sticking though"  | |||
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"Deep breath....is this now just a witch hunt? An older man has a relationship with a younger not under age man! Ok he lied at work but how many other mature gents have wanted something with a younger person at work? Does his actions effect your life? I cant see what he has done illegally! Its a morning show on the telly ffs! All he is guilty of is being in a relationship with someone at work, a consensual relationship by the way.so he lied about it..maybe because he was embarrassed! Feel free to pull me up on this but like you im not privy to any of this and its just my opinion x" meeting the lad when he was 10 or 11 leads us to think he may have groomed him secondly he made a quoted about when his brother told him about his the kid he was jailed for, he didnt contact the police he basically washed his hands of his brothers actions, which is a criminal offence in itself, still cant understand why he hasnt been arrested for this | |||
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"On a very general note as I have not read the whole thread or the daily mail..... Perhaps we should all stop judging celebrities and people in the public eye differently to everyone else. They have flaws like all of us. They are normal but feel like they have to hide infidelity, different sexuality, kink etc. This means it gets almost more negative and taboo for everyone. If they were able to just get on with their jobs and we kept their private lives private everyone would be better off. Obviously not criminal stuff but treat that like everyone else too. " Well said! X | |||
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"The legal age for gay men is 16 so this feels like a disguised attack on someone being in the public eye and being gay..remember the newspapers hacked a dead teenagers phone so this is another hunt by the right wing press and from some very bitter ex co-workers " Those two things are not even remotely the same. And the media don't need to disguise hatred of anything, as demonstrated by the hysteria over 'small boats'. As mentioned above, because of the age of the partner at the time they met, the help that Schofield gave him in getting work on the show and then becoming lovers as soon as he turned 18 is the sticking point for most people. There may not have been anything untoward until that point and he didn't do anything illegal, but morally it's a sticky wicket that makes people uncomfortable. Coupled with the news about his brother, you can't blame people for finding it distasteful. | |||
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"The bigger question is was there a MMF with Holly?" Ooooo Holly Willoughby’s wallabies! But given the context here I think they’d have gone to waste. | |||
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"A handy distraction for the masses. Forget record breaking inflation, the steady erosion of civil liberties, government cronyism, destruction of the NHS and justice system, the blatant failure of privatised utility companies and energy strategy, the wholesale lack of investment in renewable energy - oh the shit-show that is Britain." 100% Agree, opium for the people | |||
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"Deep breath....is this now just a witch hunt? An older man has a relationship with a younger not under age man! Ok he lied at work but how many other mature gents have wanted something with a younger person at work? Does his actions effect your life? I cant see what he has done illegally! Its a morning show on the telly ffs! All he is guilty of is being in a relationship with someone at work, a consensual relationship by the way.so he lied about it..maybe because he was embarrassed! Feel free to pull me up on this but like you im not privy to any of this and its just my opinion x" Totally agree, it's all about her ego | |||
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"From what I feel about this situation.... Phillip Schofield is a completely different person to the one he portrays himself to be. Along the way to his success, he has thrown others under the bus, been rather nasty to his peers and is rather selfish. Due to this, he has made many enemy's along the way. Due to his popularity and power in his industry, he thought he was untouchable. But quite a few have been waiting to get him back and slowly but surely, he has been given enough rope to hang himself. This saga has been going on for a long time behind the scenes (I would say from at least when Fern Brittan was forced out, then Amanda Holden, then a host of other presenters), slowly but surly small snippets had been coming out in the media against him (like the queue jumping at the queens funeral). The whole, him coming out was a smart move on his behalf as he had got wind that that was going to come out in the media, so he said it 1st. a) to cover up what he was up to and b) to crush the closet story by beating the tabloids to it. But the tabloids have been waiting patently to get him and they wanted their ounce of flesh and he finally gave it to them when his brother was caught and convicted of grooming and interfering with minors. At this point. all the rats deserting a sinking ship happened, Starting with Holly Willywolly (whom I am sure knew about the teenage runner situation) and who I believe is not the same as she likes to portray herself on screen. I also think there will be more coming out so that hes career is over. So yes, it is a witch hunt and the tabloid press have their claws out to ruin him. But its his own fault due to his arrogance. To put him on the same page as Jimmy Saville is a bit out of order though UNLESS there is more we have not heard about yet. Only time will tell but one thing is for sure. He wont be on day time telly ever again." Give it a year he will be on channel 4 or some random online channel . | |||
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"From what I feel about this situation.... Phillip Schofield is a completely different person to the one he portrays himself to be. Along the way to his success, he has thrown others under the bus, been rather nasty to his peers and is rather selfish. Due to this, he has made many enemy's along the way. Due to his popularity and power in his industry, he thought he was untouchable. But quite a few have been waiting to get him back and slowly but surely, he has been given enough rope to hang himself. This saga has been going on for a long time behind the scenes (I would say from at least when Fern Brittan was forced out, then Amanda Holden, then a host of other presenters), slowly but surly small snippets had been coming out in the media against him (like the queue jumping at the queens funeral). The whole, him coming out was a smart move on his behalf as he had got wind that that was going to come out in the media, so he said it 1st. a) to cover up what he was up to and b) to crush the closet story by beating the tabloids to it. But the tabloids have been waiting patently to get him and they wanted their ounce of flesh and he finally gave it to them when his brother was caught and convicted of grooming and interfering with minors. At this point. all the rats deserting a sinking ship happened, Starting with Holly Willywolly (whom I am sure knew about the teenage runner situation) and who I believe is not the same as she likes to portray herself on screen. I also think there will be more coming out so that hes career is over. So yes, it is a witch hunt and the tabloid press have their claws out to ruin him. But its his own fault due to his arrogance. To put him on the same page as Jimmy Saville is a bit out of order though UNLESS there is more we have not heard about yet. Only time will tell but one thing is for sure. He wont be on day time telly ever again." It's also a classic case of Be nice to people on your way up because you meet them on your way down. | |||
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"Cheyrl was a judge on The X Factor when Liam Payne first auditioned at the age of 14 She later had a relationship with him and had his child Don't remember any papers making anything out of this at the time " She had a relationship with him when he was 22! He didn’t even get through when he auditioned at 14. | |||
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"Cheyrl was a judge on The X Factor when Liam Payne first auditioned at the age of 14 She later had a relationship with him and had his child Don't remember any papers making anything out of this at the time She had a relationship with him when he was 22! He didn’t even get through when he auditioned at 14. " She was sitting facing him when he was 14, he got through first audition was cut and then was told to come back when he was 16 So did she groom him or is it different because shes a woman | |||
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"Just watched the interview (available on iPlayer) I'd say it's a witch hunt. Are all TV celebs divas, of course they are, wouldn't you be? What has he actually done wrong?" Grooming a child. He's scum. | |||
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"Just watched the interview (available on iPlayer) I'd say it's a witch hunt. Are all TV celebs divas, of course they are, wouldn't you be? What has he actually done wrong? Grooming a child. He's scum. " At what point has he groomed a child? | |||
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"Just watched the interview (available on iPlayer) I'd say it's a witch hunt. Are all TV celebs divas, of course they are, wouldn't you be? What has he actually done wrong? Grooming a child. He's scum. At what point has he groomed a child?" The point where he groomed a child. | |||
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"I have no idea what happened but all I know is I didn't believe that interview. Something is off, might not be as sinister as people think but yeah the story stinks." Yes, I agree, I thought he came over very badly in the interview. Hearing his own description of events, it may not have been unlawful, but definitely off. | |||
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"On a very general note as I have not read the whole thread or the daily mail..... Perhaps we should all stop judging celebrities and people in the public eye differently to everyone else. They have flaws like all of us. They are normal but feel like they have to hide infidelity, different sexuality, kink etc. This means it gets almost more negative and taboo for everyone. If they were able to just get on with their jobs and we kept their private lives private everyone would be better off. Obviously not criminal stuff but treat that like everyone else too. " Unfortunately that will never happen, so many like to see people in high positions fall and feed off the drama | |||
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"I don't understand why he chose to do the interview" to get sympathy and play the victim… | |||
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"I don't understand why he chose to do the interviewto get sympathy and play the victim…" I don't think that worked | |||
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"I don't understand why he chose to do the interview" See Prince Andrew. Another self deluded narcissist. | |||
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"Just watched the interview (available on iPlayer) I'd say it's a witch hunt. Are all TV celebs divas, of course they are, wouldn't you be? What has he actually done wrong? Grooming a child. He's scum. At what point has he groomed a child?" meeting the child at age 15 (or possibly younger). Providing opportunities for that child/young adult into the world of television, that child/young adult then appears to get very preferential treatment, then forming a relationship with the child/young adult….. What is grooming? Grooming is when someone builds a relationship, trust and emotional connection with a child or young person so they can manipulate, exploit and abuse them. Children and young people who are groomed can be sexually abused, exploited or trafficked. | |||
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"I don't understand why he chose to do the interviewto get sympathy and play the victim… I don't think that worked" I hope it didn’t | |||
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"The whole, him coming out was a smart move on his behalf as he had got wind that that was going to come out in the media, so he said it 1st. a) to cover up what he was up to and b) to crush the closet story by beating the tabloids to it." Agree with your entire post. However, Schofield like Diana, knows how to manipulate the media in terms of your above statement and his recent interview. Where he admitted that if his daughters weren't around. He could easily have gone the way of Caroline Flack. Bringing Caroline, to back his points up. Imho is below the belt but shows how low he will stoop. I don't know what he's trying to cover up. But as Jimmy Cricket used to say. There's more. There are a few co-incidences revolving around his brother: The day I think he was arrested or charged. Schofield came out. The day his brother was sentenced: Was very close to his last day on TV....can I say thank the BeJesus....because I think he's a slimy rat. Jus sayin. | |||
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"Cheyrl was a judge on The X Factor when Liam Payne first auditioned at the age of 14 She later had a relationship with him and had his child Don't remember any papers making anything out of this at the time "I was thinking about this too as a comparison but I'm not sure it's quite the same. He built his own career with One Direction which she, AFAIK, had no influence on or input with. From what I've read Schofield was getting this fella jobs and roles at ITV as a result of their blossoming relationship and to keep him sweet. | |||
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"Deep breath....is this now just a witch hunt? An older man has a relationship with a younger not under age man! Ok he lied at work but how many other mature gents have wanted something with a younger person at work? Does his actions effect your life? I cant see what he has done illegally! Its a morning show on the telly ffs! All he is guilty of is being in a relationship with someone at work, a consensual relationship by the way.so he lied about it..maybe because he was embarrassed! Feel free to pull me up on this but like you im not privy to any of this and its just my opinion x" Havent read the thread. But in response to your op. Yeah its a witch hunt. Yeah its sexist and certainly homophobic. If holly had a finger with jack Grealish in the green room everyone would be slapping her on the back. Its disgusting and another example of the awful power that media has in our lives. Media will only be happy when one or both of them have topped themselves. I cant stand scofields work but hes a human being. Let him be and pick on putin or someone who is doing shit to affect our lives. | |||
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"Maybe it’s media-driven, but there’s a weird obsession, especially in this country, with people having to know what goes on in the life of others." Exactly. And that back stabbing witch holly oainting herself as hard done to. Fuck off you talentless crone. What gives you the right to be offended because you didnt know details of his private life.? | |||
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"Maybe but after the Saville situation I think any perceived grooming needs to be highlighted. Sadly Schofield is trying to muddy the waters saying its homophobes & now has Tatchell & some actor backing him up as well as saying no one attacks Leo de caprio for having young lovers. De Caprio is 100% an embarrassment pursuing young women in there 20's but its different, its the grooming aspect & running along side his brothers situation its doesn't sit right as looks a loose comparison added to the fact he didn't shop his brother. How many said Saville was a weirdo after it was too late." What grooming? . Man offers to help assist a juniors career. Happens all the time and everywhere, thankfully people still do people favours. Theres no evidence hes a saville monster. Where do you get that helping a youngster get a job having been asked to do so is grooming? | |||
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"Fuck off you talentless crone. What an offensive statement" Yes it is, unusual. Time to step off amd take a time out. | |||
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"Where do you get that helping a youngster get a job having been asked to do so is grooming? " Because after getting the job the young man had sex with Schofield. | |||
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"Maybe but after the Saville situation I think any perceived grooming needs to be highlighted. Sadly Schofield is trying to muddy the waters saying its homophobes & now has Tatchell & some actor backing him up as well as saying no one attacks Leo de caprio for having young lovers. De Caprio is 100% an embarrassment pursuing young women in there 20's but its different, its the grooming aspect & running along side his brothers situation its doesn't sit right as looks a loose comparison added to the fact he didn't shop his brother. How many said Saville was a weirdo after it was too late. What grooming? . Man offers to help assist a juniors career. Happens all the time and everywhere, thankfully people still do people favours. Theres no evidence hes a saville monster. Where do you get that helping a youngster get a job having been asked to do so is grooming? " Are you truly the Niave, grooming to me is exactly what's happened. Someone who is secretly gay & in his 50's befriends a 12yr old starting puberty & becomes twitter friends when 15. Gets him a massively sort after job in his workplace when a teen and then randomly starts having sex with the teenager. The lad would firstly feel indebted to the much older adult & secondly the much older adult would be well aware the teens sex life should be explored with another similar aged person. Think about being aged 15/18 & being in that situation. It's why we have laws on teachers having sex with pupils once 18. | |||
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"Maybe but after the Saville situation I think any perceived grooming needs to be highlighted. Sadly Schofield is trying to muddy the waters saying its homophobes & now has Tatchell & some actor backing him up as well as saying no one attacks Leo de caprio for having young lovers. De Caprio is 100% an embarrassment pursuing young women in there 20's but its different, its the grooming aspect & running along side his brothers situation its doesn't sit right as looks a loose comparison added to the fact he didn't shop his brother. How many said Saville was a weirdo after it was too late. What grooming? . Man offers to help assist a juniors career. Happens all the time and everywhere, thankfully people still do people favours. Theres no evidence hes a saville monster. Where do you get that helping a youngster get a job having been asked to do so is grooming? " I think you speak some wisdom here. | |||
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"Maybe but after the Saville situation I think any perceived grooming needs to be highlighted. Sadly Schofield is trying to muddy the waters saying its homophobes & now has Tatchell & some actor backing him up as well as saying no one attacks Leo de caprio for having young lovers. De Caprio is 100% an embarrassment pursuing young women in there 20's but its different, its the grooming aspect & running along side his brothers situation its doesn't sit right as looks a loose comparison added to the fact he didn't shop his brother. How many said Saville was a weirdo after it was too late. What grooming? . Man offers to help assist a juniors career. Happens all the time and everywhere, thankfully people still do people favours. Theres no evidence hes a saville monster. Where do you get that helping a youngster get a job having been asked to do so is grooming? Are you truly the Niave, grooming to me is exactly what's happened. Someone who is secretly gay & in his 50's befriends a 12yr old starting puberty & becomes twitter friends when 15. Gets him a massively sort after job in his workplace when a teen and then randomly starts having sex with the teenager. The lad would firstly feel indebted to the much older adult & secondly the much older adult would be well aware the teens sex life should be explored with another similar aged person. Think about being aged 15/18 & being in that situation. It's why we have laws on teachers having sex with pupils once 18. " When I was 15 my father helped me get an apprenticeship with an old schoolfriend of his. Neither wanted to bum me. | |||
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" It's why we have laws on teachers having sex with pupils once 18. Teachers can't have contact with pupils until three years after they leave school. " So 21 I guess given most schools are 6th forms now. Of course that's because like celebrities many particularly the young hold these people in awe & aren't necessarily thinking things through. | |||
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"I find it quite interesting that someone considers what is happening to Schofield, who has clearly groomed this young man, to be a Witch hunt, whereas everyone was piling on Prince Andrew for allegedly having sex with a then 17 year old woman and, by association, branding him a nonce - and demonstrating that they clearly don't understand the term. Not taking sides here nor defending anyone but nothing was proved against Prince Andrew and yet his reputation and his role as a working Royal destroyed - one photograph of him taken with the lady in question does not prove anything other than the two of them were photographed side by side - and, let's face it, how many people are so eager to get a picture of themselves posing with a celebrity. On the other hand, Schofield has presented a lot of information himself but doesn't see what he's done as grooming. " A bigger worry is the numbers particularly men or men thinking they are women supporting Schofield on here, surely indicates they'd be happy to take advantage of an 18yr old in the same way. | |||
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"I find it quite interesting that someone considers what is happening to Schofield, who has clearly groomed this young man, to be a Witch hunt, whereas everyone was piling on Prince Andrew for allegedly having sex with a then 17 year old woman and, by association, branding him a nonce - and demonstrating that they clearly don't understand the term. Not taking sides here nor defending anyone but nothing was proved against Prince Andrew and yet his reputation and his role as a working Royal destroyed - one photograph of him taken with the lady in question does not prove anything other than the two of them were photographed side by side - and, let's face it, how many people are so eager to get a picture of themselves posing with a celebrity. On the other hand, Schofield has presented a lot of information himself but doesn't see what he's done as grooming. " TBH, There was more to Prince Andrew than a single photograph. The company he kept did him no favours While there may be some similarities I think the Schofield saga is more of a reflection on how the UK media does or doesn't police itself. I don't think we are hearing the whole story There was an interesting article in NYT this week about a prominent Guardian journalist that was a serial harrasser. A number of publications spiked the story. | |||
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"These forums really do make it easy to identity the absolute dangers lurking on the site. Wow. Well, that was helpful! " It's very helpful when grown men go out of their way to tell on themselves about their shady moral compasses, yes. | |||
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"These forums really do make it easy to identity the absolute dangers lurking on the site. Wow. Well, that was helpful! It's very helpful when grown men go out of their way to tell on themselves about their shady moral compasses, yes. " Yep, decisions that some see as having a moral or ethical dimension are viewed by others as strictly legal or not legal. | |||
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"I find it quite interesting that someone considers what is happening to Schofield, who has clearly groomed this young man, to be a Witch hunt, whereas everyone was piling on Prince Andrew for allegedly having sex with a then 17 year old woman and, by association, branding him a nonce - and demonstrating that they clearly don't understand the term. Not taking sides here nor defending anyone but nothing was proved against Prince Andrew and yet his reputation and his role as a working Royal destroyed - one photograph of him taken with the lady in question does not prove anything other than the two of them were photographed side by side - and, let's face it, how many people are so eager to get a picture of themselves posing with a celebrity. On the other hand, Schofield has presented a lot of information himself but doesn't see what he's done as grooming. A bigger worry is the numbers particularly men or men thinking they are women supporting Schofield on here, surely indicates they'd be happy to take advantage of an 18yr old in the same way." Thats quite a leap to be making. Let the law take its course before trial by media, ignorance and prejudice take over. | |||
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"The legal age for gay men is 16 so this feels like a disguised attack on someone being in the public eye and being gay..remember the newspapers hacked a dead teenagers phone so this is another hunt by the right wing press and from some very bitter ex co-workers There you go, exposed yourself as a Liberal leftie. You can't comprehend the cohersion or grooming, maybe it's acceptable to you but to the majority it isn't. At 16 yes you can bum a 61yr old but it's not morally correct and less so if you are stepping into a world of advantage supplied by the 61yr old. It's grooming absolutely 100%." Given how you worded it … whats your thoughts on sugar daddy arrangements? Who is taking advantage of who there? Because its textbook stepping into a world of advantage of a world supplied by the daddy but ive never seen it described as grooming I dont know what schofield has been up to, none of us do (probably yet… if there is more it will come out) But i do think things are never quite as black and white as people on this thread seem to think they are. Unfortunately thats how both some groomers get away with it and some innocent people get trashed | |||
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"Cheyrl was a judge on The X Factor when Liam Payne first auditioned at the age of 14 She later had a relationship with him and had his child Don't remember any papers making anything out of this at the time She had a relationship with him when he was 22! He didn’t even get through when he auditioned at 14. " Its strange how you justify this one when its so similar “He had a relationship with him at 18, he didn’t even get him a job for itv at 12” See how its the same? Or is it different because the older person is male , gay and cheating so kept it a secret? | |||
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"Cheyrl was a judge on The X Factor when Liam Payne first auditioned at the age of 14 She later had a relationship with him and had his child Don't remember any papers making anything out of this at the time She had a relationship with him when he was 22! He didn’t even get through when he auditioned at 14. Its strange how you justify this one when its so similar “He had a relationship with him at 18, he didn’t even get him a job for itv at 12” See how its the same? Or is it different because the older person is male , gay and cheating so kept it a secret? " Had that very conversation last night. Didnt seem to do her career any harm. | |||
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"Cheyrl was a judge on The X Factor when Liam Payne first auditioned at the age of 14 She later had a relationship with him and had his child Don't remember any papers making anything out of this at the time She had a relationship with him when he was 22! He didn’t even get through when he auditioned at 14. Its strange how you justify this one when its so similar “He had a relationship with him at 18, he didn’t even get him a job for itv at 12” See how its the same? Or is it different because the older person is male , gay and cheating so kept it a secret? Had that very conversation last night. Didnt seem to do her career any harm. " I do think the lies he told to keep his secrets wont have helped , whereas cheryl was out in the open because she just had a younger guy, she didnt need to cover up sexuality and cheating. There are lots of elements of this story where people have confused correlation with causation … because 2 things happened, doesn’t automatically mean one is as a result of the other Ive said before if it comes out he is a groomer then he deserves what he has gotten, but it seems we don’t wait for evidence anymore. A bit of gossip and speculation, 2+2=5 is all it takes to destroy someone these days | |||
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"I always think the Cheryl thing a bit weird too. But then again, she didn't have anything to do with him did she? Well, not until he was in his 20s. I do think it's a bit different if that is the case. But the thing with Philip, is that he has always been in contact with this man and then stuck it in his ass as soon as he turned 18. You never know what to believe, but if that is how it is, then I'm glad it has been made public. People deserve to know about these things and he shouldn't be able to just live his life with no consequences. It's so hard to know what's real these days. But something about Schofe doesn't sit right with me. I'm not that invested though." The other thing about the Cheryl thing is that Liam Payne is obviously an insufferable bellend as well | |||
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"Cheyrl was a judge on The X Factor when Liam Payne first auditioned at the age of 14 She later had a relationship with him and had his child Don't remember any papers making anything out of this at the time She had a relationship with him when he was 22! He didn’t even get through when he auditioned at 14. Its strange how you justify this one when its so similar “He had a relationship with him at 18, he didn’t even get him a job for itv at 12” See how its the same? Or is it different because the older person is male , gay and cheating so kept it a secret? Had that very conversation last night. Didnt seem to do her career any harm. I do think the lies he told to keep his secrets wont have helped , whereas cheryl was out in the open because she just had a younger guy, she didnt need to cover up sexuality and cheating. There are lots of elements of this story where people have confused correlation with causation … because 2 things happened, doesn’t automatically mean one is as a result of the other Ive said before if it comes out he is a groomer then he deserves what he has gotten, but it seems we don’t wait for evidence anymore. A bit of gossip and speculation, 2+2=5 is all it takes to destroy someone these days " Yep very well put. | |||
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"I always think the Cheryl thing a bit weird too. But then again, she didn't have anything to do with him did she? Well, not until he was in his 20s. I do think it's a bit different if that is the case. But the thing with Philip, is that he has always been in contact with this man and then stuck it in his ass as soon as he turned 18. You never know what to believe, but if that is how it is, then I'm glad it has been made public. People deserve to know about these things and he shouldn't be able to just live his life with no consequences. It's so hard to know what's real these days. But something about Schofe doesn't sit right with me. I'm not that invested though." But the age of consent for gay men in uk is 16 , so why if you were grooming someone from 12 , just waiting for him to be legal, why would he wait til he was 18 before starting a sexual relationship? Maybe because he knew it was dodgy and this looked better as a loophole Or maybe because he wasn’t grooming him they just got closer naturally as they worked together and the guy had gotten older People are filling in the blanks and calling him jimmy saville without any accusation from the supposed victim or any other victims | |||
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