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over a year ago
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I reckon it would stop a lot of chavs etc ruining our towns and maybe teach them how to have respect for others and their properties as well as learning the value of life. |
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As has been said elsewhere in the thread, could you imagine the effect it would have on morale if their experienced and well trained comrades were to be replaced on their redundancy by out of work youngsters?
To be honest, in these times of swathing cuts in our armed forces it is ridiculous to suggest the country embarks on a National Service programme. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"Government announced large cuts in Th e Armed Forces today, personnel cuts could run in to the thousands..don't think we could begin to afford it! "
The Govt is only cutting regular soldiers. They are filling the gaps with Reserves, which is why the TA is advertising so much at the mo.
Regarding the OP, not that I am generalising or anything, but I would rather the people who will defend the UK not be coerced into it. |
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If we had the money 'to afford' it would prefer we stick to the volunteer system we currently have..
it's a far more professional option..
if the thinking behind the OP's question is to address some of the issue's with some of the young people in society then there are other options for those that may benefit from them..
not all of our young people need national service.. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I reckon it would stop a lot of chavs etc ruining our towns and maybe teach them how to have respect for others and their properties as well as learning the value of life."
this doesn't work in the countries I have worked in that have national service, all it does is make them proficient with guns and knives. |
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By *yrdwomanWoman
over a year ago
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"not all of our young people need national service.."
The European system is better, where National Service can be time spent in any public service like helping out the Ambulance Service, Fire Service, at hospitals etc. Maybe a year helping out at A&E would give them a sense of proportion. Maybe! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Mmmmmm not sure I would want somebody next to me when it matters, that doesn't want to be there,
Was great in the day as it was the norm and part of being a man, now it would be seen as punishment,
But it would fill in the gaps of the ever reducing forces, and then if everyman between 21-25 had served, you have experience and skills in the military if a time arouse when we needed extra support. and be interesting to see how Britain would change when people had bit more respect and no longer tolerate a walk on by society.
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I have a 24 year old son, he would fit into the National Service catchment area....he has a good education, has brought his first property, earns in excess of £40k a year and is a well rounded human being who has never looked like falling into the 'Chav' category.....
Why on earth would he need to endure National Service?.....he has no need to prove his worthiness as a decent member of society to ANYONE. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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2 years doing some for of "national service" whether it be armed forces, public service or whatever where young men and women are made to feel some self worth while at the same time learning some skills and how to operate in society has got to be better than claiming benefits, watching Jeremy Kyle and generally suffering from low self esteem. If we can afford to pay the benefits we can afford for something that would have multiple benefits, both social and economic. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This government has announced its making 5.000 redundant in the armed forces...
I agree with national service in principal but it wouldnt work in this country now.
We have to start looking after those troops we already have and may lose  |
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What really gets my goat is those that have passed the age of National Service catchment then going on to insist it would be of a benefit to younger people in the generation behind them.....so not good enough for them, but good enough for the youth of today? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What really gets my goat is those that have passed the age of National Service catchment then going on to insist it would be of a benefit to younger people in the generation behind them.....so not good enough for them, but good enough for the youth of today?"
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What really gets my goat is those that have passed the age of National Service catchment then going on to insist it would be of a benefit to younger people in the generation behind them.....so not good enough for them, but good enough for the youth of today?"
I wish it had been around for me, I suspect it would have taught me things university and work didn't. |
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"2 years doing some for of "national service" whether it be armed forces, public service or whatever where young men and women are made to feel some self worth while at the same time learning some skills and how to operate in society has got to be better than claiming benefits, watching Jeremy Kyle and generally suffering from low self esteem. If we can afford to pay the benefits we can afford for something that would have multiple benefits, both social and economic."
You're assuming all young people are in need of national service. Some of us have managed to raise and educate our children both academically and morally to take their place in society without the need of national service. |
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"What really gets my goat is those that have passed the age of National Service catchment then going on to insist it would be of a benefit to younger people in the generation behind them.....so not good enough for them, but good enough for the youth of today?
I wish it had been around for me, I suspect it would have taught me things university and work didn't."
It was around for you....the opportunity to join the armed forces is open to everyone fit enough to join up. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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national service doesn't necessarily have to involve the army. in Germany for example it can involve work with the elderly/community/disadvantaged.. plus the army has had some horrendous hazing scandals.. not convinced it should be trusted to be beacons of moral guidance. |
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"What really gets my goat is those that have passed the age of National Service catchment then going on to insist it would be of a benefit to younger people in the generation behind them.....so not good enough for them, but good enough for the youth of today?
I wish it had been around for me, I suspect it would have taught me things university and work didn't.
It was around for you....the opportunity to join the armed forces is open to everyone fit enough to join up."
That isn't the point, the forces were not what I wanted from a career, but if I had been asked to contribute and "do my bit" like I said I think I would have learned a lot. And as a previous poster said, why should national service be solely linked to the armed forces? I genuinely think I would have and many people would benefit from a period of time dedicated to something other than themselves which is structured, organised and designed for the greater good. |
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A couple of terms that have cropped up in many of these replies are "self worth" and "respect". Another that hasn't appeared until now is "discipline". I realise many young people don't need national service as they are growing up on their own but many more do need some assistance. Like the dreaded health and safety man who has to work to the lowest common denominator so should any NS scheme. It can't be seen as punishment for offenders but has to be seen as a positive thing for all.
This was my thoughts when i was of age for NS too, and to respond to one post i DID try to join up, unfortunately for whatever reason it didn't happen. |
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"national service doesn't necessarily have to involve the army. in Germany for example it can involve work with the elderly/community/disadvantaged.. plus the army has had some horrendous hazing scandals.. not convinced it should be trusted to be beacons of moral guidance."
Yeah we have something similar here its called work fare. Shame that is designed to benefit wealthy global corporations instead of the OAP's the vulnerable and the disadvantged. But thats what politicians value. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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We believe it would benefit britain of today, for the national service to be brought in.
As in costs im sure between the housing benefits and court cost etc etc they will be on par, But also like th idea of it being split between A&E, Ambulance, fire, etc etc,
But only if they havnt got anything, why punish hard working or full time learners with this, so if you dont work full time or at full time education and dont have anything looking good for a future at moment then why not it wont harm will it? At least they,ll be earning there keep.
But why dont the goverment keep the arm forces personal look at the great job they did of the Olympics, so lets put the army at Airports cutting terrorism, working in jails, attending football matches, major sporting events riots etc et lets put these highly trained and great people to use instead of making them unemployed, and lets be honest they probally do a better job than most of the security firms. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"We believe it would benefit britain of today, for the national service to be brought in.
As in costs im sure between the housing benefits and court cost etc etc they will be on par, But also like th idea of it being split between A&E, Ambulance, fire, etc etc,
But only if they havnt got anything, why punish hard working or full time learners with this, so if you dont work full time or at full time education and dont have anything looking good for a future at moment then why not it wont harm will it? At least they,ll be earning there keep.
But why dont the goverment keep the arm forces personal look at the great job they did of the Olympics, so lets put the army at Airports cutting terrorism, working in jails, attending football matches, major sporting events riots etc et lets put these highly trained and great people to use instead of making them unemployed, and lets be honest they probally do a better job than most of the security firms. "
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By (user no longer on site)
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I joined up at sixteen. It was MY decision. If anybody had tried forcing me into it at eighteen, you would have have had to drag me kicking and screaming. Society doesn't need this. The Daily Mail brigade would have you believe anyone under twenty-five is a drug taking, thieving, benefit cheat. The demonisation of our youth is something we should be ashamed of. It is a small minority that are criminals. Why should the majority suffer for the failure of the police and justice system? |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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"I've got a brainwave lets force these unemployed people into these new programmes and instead of calling it 'National Service'......we could call it 'The Workhouse'
Original eh?"
they are needing extras on the next series of Ripper Street |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I reckon it would stop a lot of chavs etc ruining our towns and maybe teach them how to have respect for others and their properties as well as learning the value of life.
this doesn't work in the countries I have worked in that have national service, all it does is make them proficient with.guns and knives."
And it also seems to ignore that our armed forces aren't all a credit to our country and contains it's fairshare of undesirables. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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So we have one of the highest youth uneployment percentages in the developed world, one of the highest teenage pregnancy rates, some serious issues around binge drinking and the crime that results from that and in certain areas a gang culture that makes people afraid to leave their homes. I don't have the answer but something is clearly wrong albeit I acknowledge there are plenty of decent hard working youngsters out there who are a credit to our society. |
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"I reckon it would stop a lot of chavs etc ruining our towns and maybe teach them how to have respect for others and their properties as well as learning the value of life.
this doesn't work in the countries I have worked in that have national service, all it does is make them proficient with.guns and knives.
And it also seems to ignore that our armed forces aren't all a credit to our country and contains it's fairshare of undesirables."
I would agree, have seen too many squaddies kicking off when on leave, just because they are "letting off steam" |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I reckon it would stop a lot of chavs etc ruining our towns and maybe teach them how to have respect for others and their properties as well as learning the value of life.
this doesn't work in the countries I have worked in that have national service, all it does is make them proficient with.guns and knives.
And it also seems to ignore that our armed forces aren't all a credit to our country and contains it's fairshare of undesirables.
I would agree, have seen too many squaddies kicking off when on leave, just because they are "letting off steam""
some are a bunch of animals. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I reckon it would stop a lot of chavs etc ruining our towns and maybe teach them how to have respect for others and their properties as well as learning the value of life.
this doesn't work in the countries I have worked in that have national service, all it does is make them proficient with.guns and knives.
And it also seems to ignore that our armed forces aren't all a credit to our country and contains it's fairshare of undesirables.
I would agree, have seen too many squaddies kicking off when on leave, just because they are "letting off steam"
some are a bunch of animals."
Did 22 years and unfortunately have to agree with you.......but have also seen civvies start just because they where squaddies. It's the world we live in worst luck  |
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"I joined up at sixteen. It was MY decision. If anybody had tried forcing me into it at eighteen, you would have have had to drag me kicking and screaming. Society doesn't need this. The Daily Mail brigade would have you believe anyone under twenty-five is a drug taking, thieving, benefit cheat. The demonisation of our youth is something we should be ashamed of. It is a small minority that are criminals. Why should the majority suffer for the failure of the police and justice system?"
Well said mate. Its that sort daily fail propaganda about young people that robs them of self esteem, ambition and hope. Tar all of the youth with the brush that they are lazy , good for nothing , violent , thieving, binge drinking, benefit scrounging wasters and then feign shock and outrage when some of them actually give up trying. It amazes me that dumb ass govt/media trick of demonising groups still works. Hitlers legacy lives on. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I reckon it would stop a lot of chavs etc ruining our towns and maybe teach them how to have respect for others and their properties as well as learning the value of life.
this doesn't work in the countries I have worked in that have national service, all it does is make them proficient with.guns and knives.
And it also seems to ignore that our armed forces aren't all a credit to our country and contains it's fairshare of undesirables.
I would agree, have seen too many squaddies kicking off when on leave, just because they are "letting off steam"
some are a bunch of animals.
Did 22 years and unfortunately have to agree with you.......but have also seen civvies start just because they where squaddies. It's the world we live in worst luck "
true.
I remember being out one night in town. some girls me and a pal was chatting to was bring bothered by some guys and it was upsetting them.
I politely asked if they wouldn't mind leaving then alone a they were not interested.
the guy responds by asking what my jobs was, I was confused by this question and asked why it mattered. he said that he was in the army and you can't fuck with the army, and he and his mates were going to knock ten bells out of me.
my response was to bite the end of his nose off.....true story. |
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By *xpresMan
over a year ago
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Not a chance
I want the guys defnding this great isle to want to be their and not becuse they have no choice as an exsquaddie myself moral is very inportant n a bunch of no hope jezza kyle dropouts aint what id call reliable |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So we have one of the highest youth uneployment percentages in the developed world, one of the highest teenage pregnancy rates..."
Are you trying to make some point about excessively liberal sexual attitudes on a swinging site? 
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"So we have one of the highest youth uneployment percentages in the developed world, one of the highest teenage pregnancy rates...
Are you trying to make some point about excessively liberal sexual attitudes on a swinging site?
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"I reckon it would stop a lot of chavs etc ruining our towns and maybe teach them how to have respect for others and their properties as well as learning the value of life.
this doesn't work in the countries I have worked in that have national service, all it does is make them proficient with.guns and knives.
And it also seems to ignore that our armed forces aren't all a credit to our country and contains it's fairshare of undesirables.
I would agree, have seen too many squaddies kicking off when on leave, just because they are "letting off steam"
some are a bunch of animals.
Did 22 years and unfortunately have to agree with you.......but have also seen civvies start just because they where squaddies. It's the world we live in worst luck
true.
I remember being out one night in town. some girls me and a pal was chatting to was bring bothered by some guys and it was upsetting them.
I politely asked if they wouldn't mind leaving then alone a they were not interested.
the guy responds by asking what my jobs was, I was confused by this question and asked why it mattered. he said that he was in the army and you can't fuck with the army, and he and his mates were going to knock ten bells out of me.
my response was to bite the end of his nose off.....true story."
Well done would have done the same |
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"I reckon it would stop a lot of chavs etc ruining our towns and maybe teach them how to have respect for others and their properties as well as learning the value of life.
this doesn't work in the countries I have worked in that have national service, all it does is make them proficient with.guns and knives.
And it also seems to ignore that our armed forces aren't all a credit to our country and contains it's fairshare of undesirables.
I would agree, have seen too many squaddies kicking off when on leave, just because they are "letting off steam"
some are a bunch of animals.
Did 22 years and unfortunately have to agree with you.......but have also seen civvies start just because they where squaddies. It's the world we live in worst luck
true.
I remember being out one night in town. some girls me and a pal was chatting to was bring bothered by some guys and it was upsetting them.
I politely asked if they wouldn't mind leaving then alone a they were not interested.
the guy responds by asking what my jobs was, I was confused by this question and asked why it mattered. he said that he was in the army and you can't fuck with the army, and he and his mates were going to knock ten bells out of me.
my response was to bite the end of his nose off.....true story."
And they all lived happily ever after... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I reckon it would stop a lot of chavs etc ruining our towns and maybe teach them how to have respect for others and their properties as well as learning the value of life.
this doesn't work in the countries I have worked in that have national service, all it does is make them proficient with.guns and knives.
And it also seems to ignore that our armed forces aren't all a credit to our country and contains it's fairshare of undesirables.
I would agree, have seen too many squaddies kicking off when on leave, just because they are "letting off steam"
some are a bunch of animals.
Did 22 years and unfortunately have to agree with you.......but have also seen civvies start just because they where squaddies. It's the world we live in worst luck
true.
I remember being out one night in town. some girls me and a pal was chatting to was bring bothered by some guys and it was upsetting them.
I politely asked if they wouldn't mind leaving then alone a they were not interested.
the guy responds by asking what my jobs was, I was confused by this question and asked why it mattered. he said that he was in the army and you can't fuck with the army, and he and his mates were going to knock ten bells out of me.
my response was to bite the end of his nose off.....true story.
And they all lived happily ever after..."
i'm fairly happy, don't know about the other guy though. |
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