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"In my opinion if you're going to break the law in another country you need to be prepared to accept the consequences according to their laws " +1. No sympathy for her at all | |||
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"she won't die, there will be an appeal from the UK and she will be jailed... a complete waste of time. there will be pics of wailing grandchildren, a sick family member making an appeal and they will be concerned for her mental health and blah, blah, blah..." I agree. I think Bali (or any other country where Brits have been sentenced to death, jailed in shitty conditions) should just tell us to fuck off - no-one can't NOT know that these countries have the death penalty or hell-hole prisons - tough fucking tits. The only commuting of the sentance should be if the drug mule gives up the next guy/girl up in the chain, the one who set them up with the 10 kg of snort or whatever | |||
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"In my opinion if you're going to break the law in another country you need to be prepared to accept the consequences according to their laws " Totally agree. If you're stupid enough to take that amount of into a country then you deserve what punishment you get | |||
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"In my opinion if you're going to break the law in another country you need to be prepared to accept the consequences according to their laws +1. No sympathy for her at all " +2. Think of the suffering her smuggling would have coursed. No sympathy at all from me ! | |||
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"In my opinion if you're going to break the law in another country you need to be prepared to accept the consequences according to their laws +1. No sympathy for her at all +2. Think of the suffering her smuggling would have coursed. No sympathy at all from me !" The judges didn't see overly concerned with any suffering caused, but more about damage to Bali as a holiday destination! | |||
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"In my opinion if you're going to break the law in another country you need to be prepared to accept the consequences according to their laws +1. No sympathy for her at all +2. Think of the suffering her smuggling would have coursed. No sympathy at all from me !" +3. She knew what she was doing and probably knew the consequences if caught. No sympathy from me. | |||
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"she won't die, there will be an appeal from the UK and she will be jailed... a complete waste of time. there will be pics of wailing grandchildren, a sick family member making an appeal and they will be concerned for her mental health and blah, blah, blah..." Agreed. I bet after another year in a hell hole prison she'll be begging them to shoot her! Absolutely no sympathy. | |||
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"tough. we should do the same to them who smuggle drugs into this country and to the scum who sells drugs to our kids !!! zero sympathy from me" You think the state should start murdering people who break the law? | |||
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"tough. we should do the same to them who smuggle drugs into this country and to the scum who sells drugs to our kids !!! zero sympathy from me You think the state should start murdering people who break the law?" for certain offences, yes i do | |||
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"I believe in the death penalty for people who are evil, but for carrying drugs. Come on. 15 years in prison should have been the sentence. " i dont agree. drugs ruin many lives. prison is no real deterrent | |||
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"I believe in the death penalty for people who are evil, but for carrying drugs. Come on. 15 years in prison should have been the sentence. " And how many people would have been harmed by the drugs? | |||
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"tough. we should do the same to them who smuggle drugs into this country and to the scum who sells drugs to our kids !!! zero sympathy from me You think the state should start murdering people who break the law?" Execution and murder are by definition different things. She broke the laws in a country where the penalty for her crime is execution. The is wailing now she has been caught and blaming others, would she have given them up to the police if she got away with it? No. | |||
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"she won't die, there will be an appeal from the UK and she will be jailed... a complete waste of time. there will be pics of wailing grandchildren, a sick family member making an appeal and they will be concerned for her mental health and blah, blah, blah..." Sadly you're right. Our bleeding hearts modern day society will pour pity on her & her relatives. No one in our country will consider the untold pain n misery her actions, had they been successful, would have wrought upon 1000's of others. 10lb of cocaine is alot? By the time it's been mixed with vim & other impurities I am pretty sure it'd go extremely far... Does she deserve to die for her actions? Her criminal actions would have brought death to many others, so why not? She doesn't even deny doing it, does she? What a shame we don't handle drug smugglers in the same way. A positive deterrant. | |||
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"tough. we should do the same to them who smuggle drugs into this country and to the scum who sells drugs to our kids !!! zero sympathy from me You think the state should start murdering people who break the law? for certain offences, yes i do" I disagree entirely. The death penalty simply cannot be justified. It's revenge in its most primitive form and doesn't belong in normal society. We should be setting an example to the backward countries like Iran, China and America, not following them down that path. | |||
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"If they had given one of their own people the same sentence would anyone outside of bali have said anything?. " What do you think? | |||
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"seen tv she lovely "what? hopefully a sarcastic remark!! | |||
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"Does she deserve to die for what she's done?" Yes. She broke the law in a country where the penalty for her crime is death. I hope its televised to put other fuckwits off this vile trade | |||
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"Does she deserve to die for what she's done?" Does she deserve compassion and help ? | |||
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"Does she deserve to die for what she's done? Does she deserve compassion and help ?" NO | |||
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"Does she deserve to die for what she's done? Does she deserve compassion and help ? NO" Do you think her human rights should simply no longer exist now she's been sentenced? | |||
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"Does she deserve to die for what she's done? Does she deserve compassion and help ? NO Do you think her human rights should simply no longer exist now she's been sentenced?" Why should she have any human rights when she was happy to get rich off other people's misery? Or was she going to give the money to charity | |||
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"Does she deserve to die for what she's done? Does she deserve compassion and help ? NO Do you think her human rights should simply no longer exist now she's been sentenced?" her human rights? i am more concerned with the human rights of the millions of lives shattered by drugs . and am i right in guessing that in your opinion drugs dealers are not evil? | |||
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"Does she deserve to die for what she's done? Does she deserve compassion and help ?" She had no compassion for the lives she was happy-to-help to Royally fuk over... | |||
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"Does she deserve to die for what she's done? Does she deserve compassion and help ? NO Do you think her human rights should simply no longer exist now she's been sentenced?" Apparently she has shown no remorse for her crime, so it’s hard to qualify any reason to provide her with compassion or help. Her human rights have being protected throughout her captivity, she was given a fair trial for her crimes,, A crime she willingly committed in full knowledge of the penelty,,, So how can you suggest her human rights don't exist? | |||
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"Do we think people in white vans who smuggle cheaper cigarettes into this country illegally should face a firing squad?...after all there are approx 80,000 smoking related deaths in the UK annually...Cocaine related deaths in the UK approx 250 annually. " No I don't think they should be but they should be punished in accordance with the laws of this land | |||
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"Do we think people in white vans who smuggle cheaper cigarettes into this country illegally should face a firing squad?...after all there are approx 80,000 smoking related deaths in the UK annually...Cocaine related deaths in the UK approx 250 annually. " But she wasn't smuggling anything into THIS country. | |||
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"Do we think people in white vans who smuggle cheaper cigarettes into this country illegally should face a firing squad?...after all there are approx 80,000 smoking related deaths in the UK annually...Cocaine related deaths in the UK approx 250 annually. " Cigarettes are legal in this country,,,, avoiding tax is not…!... | |||
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"Do we think people in white vans who smuggle cheaper cigarettes into this country illegally should face a firing squad?...after all there are approx 80,000 smoking related deaths in the UK annually...Cocaine related deaths in the UK approx 250 annually. " | |||
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"Do we think people in white vans who smuggle cheaper cigarettes into this country illegally should face a firing squad?...after all there are approx 80,000 smoking related deaths in the UK annually...Cocaine related deaths in the UK approx 250 annually. " people caught smuggling cigarettes into this country would be under our law she knew the law in the country she was entering, she knew the risk she was taking simple | |||
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"Do we think people in white vans who smuggle cheaper cigarettes into this country illegally should face a firing squad?...after all there are approx 80,000 smoking related deaths in the UK annually...Cocaine related deaths in the UK approx 250 annually. " That's because smoking is far more endemic than the use of cocaine or any drugs. Smoking also tends not to lead to lots of low levels of crime inc muggings, theft, burglary,etc in order to pay for the habit n the first place. However, thi is also the UK, our laws are different, if you commit a crime in another country you should be punished by that countries laws & accept your punishment in accordance with the penal system there. Be a drug smuggler in the UK, get a stay at HMs pleasure in a Cat A prison which treats its inmates to better food & education than our armed forces gives to its' personnel. Try to smuggle drugs into Bali & die. Which is the most effective deterrent, I wonder?? | |||
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"Why should she have any human rights when she was happy to get rich off other people's misery? Or was she going to give the money to charity" What's that got to do with anything? And why didn't you answer the question? "her human rights? i am more concerned with the human rights of the millions of lives shattered by drugs . and am i right in guessing that in your opinion drugs dealers are not evil? " Not even slightly right, no. "Apparently she has shown no remorse for her crime, so it’s hard to qualify any reason to provide her with compassion or help. Her human rights have being protected throughout her captivity, she was given a fair trial for her crimes,, A crime she willingly committed in full knowledge of the penelty,,, So how can you suggest her human rights don't exist?" Nobody said that or anything similar, and the question didn't relate to her treatment prior to her conviction. What I actually asked was: do you think her human rights should no longer exist now she's been sentenced? | |||
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"Why should she have any human rights when she was happy to get rich off other people's misery? Or was she going to give the money to charity What's that got to do with anything? And why didn't you answer the question? her human rights? i am more concerned with the human rights of the millions of lives shattered by drugs . and am i right in guessing that in your opinion drugs dealers are not evil? Not even slightly right, no.Apparently she has shown no remorse for her crime, so it’s hard to qualify any reason to provide her with compassion or help. Her human rights have being protected throughout her captivity, she was given a fair trial for her crimes,, A crime she willingly committed in full knowledge of the penelty,,, So how can you suggest her human rights don't exist? Nobody said that or anything similar, and the question didn't relate to her treatment prior to her conviction. What I actually asked was: do you think her human rights should no longer exist now she's been sentenced?" To answer the question ... Yes I think her human rights should no longer exist now she has been sentenced or to put it in an other way strip her of her ham rights | |||
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"To answer the question ... Yes I think her human rights should no longer exist now she has been sentenced or to put it in an other way strip her of her ham rights " Then perhaps you'd be happier living in Saudi Arabia. Human rights are non-existent. And nobody eats ham | |||
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"Do we think people in white vans who smuggle cheaper cigarettes into this country illegally should face a firing squad?...after all there are approx 80,000 smoking related deaths in the UK annually...Cocaine related deaths in the UK approx 250 annually. That's because smoking is far more endemic than the use of cocaine or any drugs. Smoking also tends not to lead to lots of low levels of crime inc muggings, theft, burglary,etc in order to pay for the habit n the first place. However, thi is also the UK, our laws are different, if you commit a crime in another country you should be punished by that countries laws & accept your punishment in accordance with the penal system there. Be a drug smuggler in the UK, get a stay at HMs pleasure in a Cat A prison which treats its inmates to better food & education than our armed forces gives to its' personnel. Try to smuggle drugs into Bali & die. Which is the most effective deterrent, I wonder??" I wasn't questioning the decisions of other countries, or the efficacy of deterrents in this country...I was simply asking whether people would agree with a law that would mean death by firing squad for those who illegally smuggle cigarettes into this country and contribute to the deaths of 80,000 UK annually. | |||
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"Why should she have any human rights when she was happy to get rich off other people's misery? Or was she going to give the money to charity What's that got to do with anything? And why didn't you answer the question? her human rights? i am more concerned with the human rights of the millions of lives shattered by drugs . and am i right in guessing that in your opinion drugs dealers are not evil? Not even slightly right, no.Apparently she has shown no remorse for her crime, so it’s hard to qualify any reason to provide her with compassion or help. Her human rights have being protected throughout her captivity, she was given a fair trial for her crimes,, A crime she willingly committed in full knowledge of the penelty,,, So how can you suggest her human rights don't exist? Nobody said that or anything similar, and the question didn't relate to her treatment prior to her conviction. What I actually asked was: do you think her human rights should no longer exist now she's been sentenced?" But they do exist.... She is being held in an appropriate facility where she is given access to legal advice and representation and all her fundamental needs are being met whilst awaiting her sentence…. Where’s your human rights problem with that? | |||
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"In my opinion if you're going to break the law in another country you need to be prepared to accept the consequences according to their laws +1. No sympathy for her at all " + another 1 | |||
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"But they do exist.... She is being held in an appropriate facility where she is given access to legal advice and representation and all her fundamental needs are being met whilst awaiting her sentence…. Where’s your human rights problem with that? " I don't see how this relates to the question I asked. | |||
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"But they do exist.... She is being held in an appropriate facility where she is given access to legal advice and representation and all her fundamental needs are being met whilst awaiting her sentence…. Where’s your human rights problem with that? I don't see how this relates to the question I asked." Can you make your question clearer? | |||
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"Does she deserve to die for what she's done? Does she deserve compassion and help ? NO Do you think her human rights should simply no longer exist now she's been sentenced?" No, she is entitled to her human rights, and they have be adhered to, she has the right to a fair trial in the country where she broke the law, has she not had this? | |||
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"Can you make your question clearer?" I'm not sure I can, it was pretty clear when I asked it  Maybe if you read it in context, more specifically as a response to the post I quoted, you'd understand what my question means.
"Does she deserve to die for what she's done? Does she deserve compassion and help ? NO Do you think her human rights should simply no longer exist now she's been sentenced? No, she is entitled to her human rights, and they have be adhered to, she has the right to a fair trial in the country where she broke the law, has she not had this?" Nobody's suggesting she hasn't. | |||
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"the reason drugs are deemed as illegal hasnt got much to do with protecting lives,health the basic fact is IF the governments around the world allowed illegal drugs, they would lose revenue on the other controlled substances I'm not saying I advocate the use of life destroying drugs...but when u put them realistically into the context of what they are and understand how they are misused there might be a clearer picture on how to tackle the problems. the media is rife with drug use..a bit of fame or power appears to separate those who do and those that shouldnt. in reference to countries like indonesia etc..I can only say they take backhanders for probably the most disgusting abuses of human beings(best not say human rights as people have started using that as a bad word). In a country where u can be hanged/shot for having a different political slant(perhaps even a different sexual persuasion)...I wouldnt say they are the on the moral highground of being interested in human welfare." Is some who peddles drugs taking the moral high-ground and showing just concern for human welfare? | |||
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"Can you make your question clearer? I'm not sure I can, it was pretty clear when I asked it Maybe if you read it in context, more specifically as a response to the post I quoted, you'd understand what my question means.
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"the reason drugs are deemed as illegal hasnt got much to do with protecting lives,health the basic fact is IF the governments around the world allowed illegal drugs, they would lose revenue on the other controlled substances I'm not saying I advocate the use of life destroying drugs...but when u put them realistically into the context of what they are and understand how they are misused there might be a clearer picture on how to tackle the problems. the media is rife with drug use..a bit of fame or power appears to separate those who do and those that shouldnt. in reference to countries like indonesia etc..I can only say they take backhanders for probably the most disgusting abuses of human beings(best not say human rights as people have started using that as a bad word). In a country where u can be hanged/shot for having a different political slant(perhaps even a different sexual persuasion)...I wouldnt say they are the on the moral highground of being interested in human welfare. Is some who peddles drugs taking the moral high-ground and showing just concern for human welfare?" maybe she thought the drugs were going to some rich people at a BBC party...or an ambassadors reception | |||
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"the reason drugs are deemed as illegal hasnt got much to do with protecting lives,health the basic fact is IF the governments around the world allowed illegal drugs, they would lose revenue on the other controlled substances I'm not saying I advocate the use of life destroying drugs...but when u put them realistically into the context of what they are and understand how they are misused there might be a clearer picture on how to tackle the problems. the media is rife with drug use..a bit of fame or power appears to separate those who do and those that shouldnt. in reference to countries like indonesia etc..I can only say they take backhanders for probably the most disgusting abuses of human beings(best not say human rights as people have started using that as a bad word). In a country where u can be hanged/shot for having a different political slant(perhaps even a different sexual persuasion)...I wouldnt say they are the on the moral highground of being interested in human welfare." Thanks for that..so refreshing to read a informed and considered opinion..unlike some of the lynch mob mentality posts | |||
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"The death penalty is morally wrong. No government should have the right to inflict lethal justice on a human being. " and what she did was wrong. How many lives would she have ruined taking drugs into their country. The effects on drug addicts on the individual and their families, and maybe the eventual death of the abuser. Sentence her to death & hope it will make others thing twice about drug trafficking. | |||
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"Is some who peddles drugs taking the moral high-ground and showing just concern for human welfare? maybe she thought the drugs were going to some rich people at a BBC party...or an ambassadors reception" Hidden in the Ferrero Rocher  | |||
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"The death penalty is morally wrong. No government should have the right to inflict lethal justice on a human being. and what she did was wrong. How many lives would she have ruined taking drugs into their country. The effects on drug addicts on the individual and their families, and maybe the eventual death of the abuser. Sentence her to death & hope it will make others thing twice about drug trafficking. " lolololol thats brilliant lol...she wont think twice after she cops it lol | |||
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"To answer the question ... Yes I think her human rights should no longer exist now she has been sentenced or to put it in an other way strip her of her ham rights Then perhaps you'd be happier living in Saudi Arabia. Human rights are non-existent. So because I don't think a drug smuggling low life deserves no human rights then I have to live in a country with no human rights. And by the way I fought for the human rights of the Saudis so get off your high horse just because I don't agree with you dosnt make me wrong. Maybe if one of your family was affected you'd feel differently or would you give her a pardon then ? And nobody eats ham " | |||
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"Can you make your question clearer? I'm not sure I can, it was pretty clear when I asked it Maybe if you read it in context, more specifically as a response to the post I quoted, you'd understand what my question means.
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I have and I still fail to see your point about any potential withholding of her human rights"Ok, let's do it this way. I'm not suggesting it does happen, or will happen, or is happening. I was asking whether you and Mr fireman think it should happen. Entirely hypothetical. Over to you. | |||
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"Can you make your question clearer? I'm not sure I can, it was pretty clear when I asked it Maybe if you read it in context, more specifically as a response to the post I quoted, you'd understand what my question means.
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Ok, let's do it this way. I'm not suggesting it does happen, or will happen, or is happening. I was asking whether you and Mr fireman think it should happen. Entirely hypothetical. Over to you."What should happen? | |||
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"the reason drugs are deemed as illegal hasnt got much to do with protecting lives,health the basic fact is IF the governments around the world allowed illegal drugs, they would lose revenue on the other controlled substances I'm not saying I advocate the use of life destroying drugs...but when u put them realistically into the context of what they are and understand how they are misused there might be a clearer picture on how to tackle the problems. the media is rife with drug use..a bit of fame or power appears to separate those who do and those that shouldnt. in reference to countries like indonesia etc..I can only say they take backhanders for probably the most disgusting abuses of human beings(best not say human rights as people have started using that as a bad word). In a country where u can be hanged/shot for having a different political slant(perhaps even a different sexual persuasion)...I wouldnt say they are the on the moral highground of being interested in human welfare. Thanks for that..so refreshing to read a informed and considered opinion..unlike some of the lynch mob mentality posts" Cheers, fuck most of us would be classed as aiding drug lords by doing online piracy | |||
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"Is some who peddles drugs taking the moral high-ground and showing just concern for human welfare? maybe she thought the drugs were going to some rich people at a BBC party...or an ambassadors reception Hidden in the Ferrero Rocher "I was accused of brown nosing... | |||
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"So because I don't think a drug smuggling low life deserves no human rights then I have to live in a country with no human rights. And by the way I fought for the human rights of the Saudis so get off your high horse just because I don't agree with you dosnt make me wrong. Maybe if one of your family was affected you'd feel differently or would you give her a pardon then ?" Do you think human rights should only be afforded to certain people then? | |||
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"Can you make your question clearer? I'm not sure I can, it was pretty clear when I asked it Maybe if you read it in context, more specifically as a response to the post I quoted, you'd understand what my question means.
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I have and I still fail to see your point about any potential withholding of her human rights
Ok, let's do it this way. I'm not suggesting it does happen, or will happen, or is happening. I was asking whether you and Mr fireman think it should happen. Entirely hypothetical. Over to you.
What should happen?"Are you for real? | |||
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"Is some who peddles drugs taking the moral high-ground and showing just concern for human welfare? maybe she thought the drugs were going to some rich people at a BBC party...or an ambassadors reception Hidden in the Ferrero Rocher
I was accused of brown nosing..."Ahh,,, don't worry what people say,,,,,,it's that subtle combination of crispy wafer, hazelnut and rich chocolate all wrapped up in elegant gold foil that makes them so highly addictive ...  | |||
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"Can you make your question clearer? I'm not sure I can, it was pretty clear when I asked it Maybe if you read it in context, more specifically as a response to the post I quoted, you'd understand what my question means.
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I have and I still fail to see your point about any potential withholding of her human rights
Ok, let's do it this way. I'm not suggesting it does happen, or will happen, or is happening. I was asking whether you and Mr fireman think it should happen. Entirely hypothetical. Over to you.
What should happen?
Are you for real?"Yeah I'm totally for real.... I’m not even an advocate of the death penalty, but having had a career where I was fortunate enough to live and work in many countries all over the world (including there) where cultures and laws have developed within the majority consent of the indigenous people. I respect their rights to uphold the authority of national governance….... This woman’s basic human rights have been observed .... I fail to see any connection that would suggest otherwise | |||
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"Can you make your question clearer? I'm not sure I can, it was pretty clear when I asked it Maybe if you read it in context, more specifically as a response to the post I quoted, you'd understand what my question means.
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I have and I still fail to see your point about any potential withholding of her human rights
Ok, let's do it this way. I'm not suggesting it does happen, or will happen, or is happening. I was asking whether you and Mr fireman think it should happen. Entirely hypothetical. Over to you.
What should happen?
Are you for real?
Yeah I'm totally for real....
I’m not even an advocate of the death penalty, but having had a career where I was fortunate enough to live and work in many countries all over the world (including there) where cultures and laws have developed within the majority consent of the indigenous people. I respect their rights to uphold the authority of national governance…....
This woman’s basic human rights have been observed .... I fail to see any connection that would suggest otherwise"It appeared as though you were implying that this woman should be denied compassion and assistance simply because she'd been convicted. If I misunderstood that then I apologise | |||
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"It appeared as though you were implying that this woman should be denied compassion and assistance simply because she'd been convicted. If I misunderstood that then I apologise "Nooooo OMG never apologise for having an opinion….!. Good-on you for having the courage to have one.!.…… | |||
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"It appeared as though you were implying that this woman should be denied compassion and assistance simply because she'd been convicted. If I misunderstood that then I apologise
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"So because I don't think a drug smuggling low life deserves no human rights then I have to live in a country with no human rights. And by the way I fought for the human rights of the Saudis so get off your high horse just because I don't agree with you dosnt make me wrong. Maybe if one of your family was affected you'd feel differently or would you give her a pardon then ? Do you think human rights should only be afforded to certain people then?" I think human rights should be afforded to everyone I also think you can lose those rights as well | |||
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"In my opinion if you're going to break the law in another country you need to be prepared to accept the consequences according to their laws " Here here. They know the consequences x | |||
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"So because I don't think a drug smuggling low life deserves no human rights then I have to live in a country with no human rights. And by the way I fought for the human rights of the Saudis so get off your high horse just because I don't agree with you dosnt make me wrong. Maybe if one of your family was affected you'd feel differently or would you give her a pardon then ? Do you think human rights should only be afforded to certain people then? I think human rights should be afforded to everyone I also think you can lose those rights as well " So, everyone except those who have done things you don't approve of? What about remand prisoners, do they deserve human rights? How about convicted burglars? How about a man convicted of manslaughter, having killed a late-night intruder into his home? A beaten wife who got pushed too far and killed her husband? Where would you like to draw the line? | |||
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"The death penalty is morally wrong. No government should have the right to inflict lethal justice on a human being. and what she did was wrong. How many lives would she have ruined taking drugs into their country. The effects on drug addicts on the individual and their families, and maybe the eventual death of the abuser. Sentence her to death & hope it will make others thing twice about drug trafficking. " The dealers couldnt give two hoots bout the mules they just want the goods, 10lb lost every now and again for how much that is smuggled through. They look for those that are unlikely to be mules example. The pregnant ex forces bomb disposal expert now giving birth in prision to her second child!! | |||
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"So because I don't think a drug smuggling low life deserves no human rights then I have to live in a country with no human rights. And by the way I fought for the human rights of the Saudis so get off your high horse just because I don't agree with you dosnt make me wrong. Maybe if one of your family was affected you'd feel differently or would you give her a pardon then ? Do you think human rights should only be afforded to certain people then? I think human rights should be afforded to everyone I also think you can lose those rights as well So, everyone except those who have done things you don't approve of? What about remand prisoners, do they deserve human rights? How about convicted burglars? How about a man convicted of manslaughter, having killed a late-night intruder into his home? A beaten wife who got pushed too far and killed her husband? Where would you like to draw the line?" So what human rights you harping on about the woman broke the law in a country with the death penalty so she get death so what? You seem like you just want Ta argue for the sake of it and if people don't agree with you then you start to try and brow beat them . So if you want lists how about Moors murderes, Yorkshire ripper, neilson the list is endless so do they deserve human rights or to rot in hell? And as you mentioned Saudi before shall we ask them about human rights they had when sadams men where rapping and murdering? Rights are earned not given | |||
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"Interesting that so many people on here support the death penalty for her, without having actually sat in the courtroom and heard all the evidence... Maybe it would be a good time to reflect on the fact that anyone on here who is gay or bi could be subject to the death penalty in some countries. Or even married women for playing away... Would you all support that so willingly?" I certainly don't support the death penalty, and if she had broken the same law in this country then she wouldn't be facing it but she doesn't deny her guilt and she was aware of the risk she was taking she broke their law simple, if any of the other groups you mention broke another countries law they would have to face that countries justice | |||
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"In my opinion if you're going to break the law in another country you need to be prepared to accept the consequences according to their laws "I agree with this to an extent, the extent being I do not agree with the death penalty, especially when it comes to drug mules. I do think they should be kept in jail in whichever country the offence took place, but then again, what about those foreign nationals here who have commited crime? Shouldnt they be deported? If so, surely she and other uk nationals should be sent to prison here? Maybe if our prisons were like other countries I'd agree with her being deported. When it comes to drug smuggling and this actual case, was she under duress? Was any of her family in danger? As for her not bringing drugs here, was she just smuggling them to Bali or was it just a connecting flight eventually with her bringing the drugs back to the UK? The brief report I read on bbc news says she is full of remorse and apologised. Her son believes it was a result of a fall out down to his unpaid rent, which she tried to pay off. Ok I may be seeing this through rose tinted glasses but I have had a lot of experience of drug mules, mainly young girls being forced into smuggling for various reasons. Ok she's a grandmother yada yada yada, but does anyone on this thread actually (especially those calling for her head) know the true circumstances as to why she was carrying? | |||
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"So what human rights you harping on about the woman broke the law in a country with the death penalty so she get death so what?" People have said things in this thread that suggest they don't believe she should be allowed any sort of appeal, or assistance from the UK Government. Someone actually said, with apparent seriousness, the Government should turn their backs on her. "You seem like you just want Ta argue for the sake of it and if people don't agree with you then you start to try and brow beat them ." No. If someone says something that is ridiculous, which has happened a lot in this thread, I'll take issue with it. There's no brow beating going on, what an odd thing to say. "So if you want lists how about Moors murderes, Yorkshire ripper, neilson the list is endless so do they deserve human rights or to rot in hell?" They should be treated with the same human courtesy as everyone else. This isn't to say those still living should be released and given free holidays. I just mean we shouldn't slip back to the Middle Ages with our attitudes towards criminals. Capital punishment is barbaric and has no place in true civilisation. "And as you mentioned Saudi before shall we ask them about human rights they had when sadams men where rapping and murdering? Rights are earned not given " What the fuck has Saddam got to do with Saudi Arabia? | |||
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"more will be earned from TV appearances and tabloid stories." I hope not. She absolutely should not be allowed to make money from this. | |||
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"more will be earned from TV appearances and tabloid stories. I hope not. She absolutely should not be allowed to make money from this." Ah but once she’s served a prison term there’s nothing to stop her selling her story in many counties around the world….... | |||
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"more will be earned from TV appearances and tabloid stories. I hope not. She absolutely should not be allowed to make money from this. Ah but once she’s served a prison term there’s nothing to stop her selling her story in many counties around the world….... "Sadly true. I hope nobody pays for it. | |||
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"I believe in the death penalty for people who are evil, but for carrying drugs. Come on. 15 years in prison should have been the sentence. And how many people would have been harmed by the drugs? " That's up to them. If you want to do drugs, carry on, knock yourself out. but a life sentence for a few kilos of is way over the top in my _iew. | |||
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"We should start machine-gunning drug pushers here - problem solved." I can't believe anyone would write this even as a joke. Fucking ridiculous thing to say. | |||
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"We should start machine-gunning drug pushers here - problem solved. I can't believe anyone would write this even as a joke. Fucking ridiculous thing to say." Some of us don't approve of drugs. If you're offended, tough. | |||
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"So what human rights you harping on about the woman broke the law in a country with the death penalty so she get death so what? People have said things in this thread that suggest they don't believe she should be allowed any sort of appeal, or assistance from the UK Government. Someone actually said, with apparent seriousness, the Government should turn their backs on her. You seem like you just want Ta argue for the sake of it and if people don't agree with you then you start to try and brow beat them . No. If someone says something that is ridiculous, which has happened a lot in this thread, I'll take issue with it. There's no brow beating going on, what an odd thing to say. So if you want lists how about Moors murderes, Yorkshire ripper, neilson the list is endless so do they deserve human rights or to rot in hell? They should be treated with the same human courtesy as everyone else. This isn't to say those still living should be released and given free holidays. I just mean we shouldn't slip back to the Middle Ages with our attitudes towards criminals. Capital punishment is barbaric and has no place in true civilisation. And as you mentioned Saudi before shall we ask them about human rights they had when sadams men where rapping and murdering? Rights are earned not given What the fuck has Saddam got to do with Saudi Arabia?" Firstly just because you think something's rediciulous doesn't mean it is. Some people agree with death penalty se don't its they'r choice. Secondly it costs thousands yearly to keep some body in prison so if they'r never to be released why bother when the money can be spent on other things Thirdly Iraq invaded Saudi after Kuwait ( only briefly ) but don't think they observed many human rights do you ? | |||
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"The prosecution in this case were pushing for 15 years. The judges decided differently. My concern is that when a judge decides to go against the 'poeple' and impose whatever sentence he feels like. I'm not saying I have any sympathy for the woman as I don't, she knew Indonesia had a death penalty for drug mules and still chose to take drugs through customs, but having said that, she is a British national and if the foreign office can apply pressure to have her sentence commuted then that's the option I'd prefer. I've always been against the death penalty, and that applies to any country." How do we know the judge went against the people he went against the prosecution. The max sentence for this offense is death and synergy he got pissed off with foreigners breaking the law in his homeland and getting away with it. Good for him | |||
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"Firstly just because you think something's rediciulous doesn't mean it is. Some people agree with death penalty se don't its they'r choice. Secondly it costs thousands yearly to keep some body in prison so if they'r never to be released why bother when the money can be spent on other things Thirdly Iraq invaded Saudi after Kuwait ( only briefly ) but don't think they observed many human rights do you ? "Sometimes it's not just about money though. It's how a nation of people decide how they want criminals treated, even the most henious of crimes committed by the vilest of criminals. We. as a nation, have decided that we do not want the death penalty in this country as it is barbaric but also because of one innocent person is executed that is one innocent person too much. I have no care the criminals themselves but I do have faith in the system, and my beliefs say life in prison with no parole, however much that costs. I'd feel much better knowing a scumbag has a 6'x4' cell to look at for the rest of his miserable life. | |||
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"she won't die, there will be an appeal from the UK and she will be jailed... a complete waste of time. there will be pics of wailing grandchildren, a sick family member making an appeal and they will be concerned for her mental health and blah, blah, blah... I agree. I think Bali (or any other country where Brits have been sentenced to death, jailed in shitty conditions) should just tell us to fuck off - no-one can't NOT know that these countries have the death penalty or hell-hole prisons - tough fucking tits. The only commuting of the sentance should be if the drug mule gives up the next guy/girl up in the chain, the one who set them up with the 10 kg of snort or whatever " err she did, prosecutors asked/recommended a 15year prison term. reported today that she does have mental health issues, she gave up the people she knows...her son was threatened with death. she had poor defense lawyers and one even stole from her. on the flip side pleading ignorance of whats in the suitcase just doesn't wash for me. so she should do the time as recommended by the prosecution.. as some have said it will end up being commuted.. | |||
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"How do we know the judge went against the people he went against the prosecution. The max sentence for this offense is death and synergy he got pissed off with foreigners breaking the law in his homeland and getting away with it. Good for him" The prosecution ARE the people. The judge is the instrument of law in a court owned by the people. Or he should be. Thise case should have a different judge if he was known as a hanging judge, or it should be enshrined in law that what the prosection ask for should be the maximum sentence permissable, as it the will of the people. | |||
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"The prosecution in this case were pushing for 15 years. The judges decided differently. My concern is that when a judge decides to go against the 'poeple' and impose whatever sentence he feels like. I'm not saying I have any sympathy for the woman as I don't, she knew Indonesia had a death penalty for drug mules and still chose to take drugs through customs, but having said that, she is a British national and if the foreign office can apply pressure to have her sentence commuted then that's the option I'd prefer. I've always been against the death penalty, and that applies to any country." Fair point. Looking through recently convicted drug smugglers, their sentence has been transferred here, which makes me sick. If the sentence is commuted to life, let the stupid bitch rot in a prison in Bail. As I said before, if she gets the firing squad, televise it to put other fuckwits off | |||
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"Firstly just because you think something's rediciulous doesn't mean it is. Some people agree with death penalty se don't its they'r choice. Secondly it costs thousands yearly to keep some body in prison so if they'r never to be released why bother when the money can be spent on other things Thirdly Iraq invaded Saudi after Kuwait ( only briefly ) but don't think they observed many human rights do you ?
Sometimes it's not just about money though. It's how a nation of people decide how they want criminals treated, even the most henious of crimes committed by the vilest of criminals. We. as a nation, have decided that we do not want the death penalty in this country as it is barbaric but also because of one innocent person is executed that is one innocent person too much. I have no care the criminals themselves but I do have faith in the system, and my beliefs say life in prison with no parole, however much that costs.
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"Some of us don't approve of drugs. If you're offended, tough." You think my offence comes from a pro-drug stance and not the fact that you advocated state-sponsored violence inspired by Nazi death camps? "Firstly just because you think something's rediciulous doesn't mean it is. Some people agree with death penalty se don't its they'r choice." I would suggest that people who are in favour of the death penalty are so because they a) don't understand the meaning of the word 'justice' as used by the British legal system; b) haven't considered the possibility of themselves or their family members being in that situation; or c) are extremists. "Secondly it costs thousands yearly to keep some body in prison so if they'r never to be released why bother when the money can be spent on other things" Because it's the right thing to do. We don't kill people because of the reasons already discussed. If you've got a humane alternative, I'd like to hear it. "Thirdly Iraq invaded Saudi after Kuwait ( only briefly ) but don't think they observed many human rights do you ? "You're right, they did - unsuccessfully. And no, they most likely didn't. But the point I was making there was in Saudi Arabia human rights abuses are pretty widespread, and executions are common, brutal and completely inhumane. | |||
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"Some of us don't approve of drugs. If you're offended, tough. You think my offence comes from a pro-drug stance and not the fact that you advocated state-sponsored violence inspired by Nazi death camps? Firstly just because you think something's rediciulous doesn't mean it is. Some people agree with death penalty se don't its they'r choice. I would suggest that people who are in favour of the death penalty are so because they a) don't understand the meaning of the word 'justice' as used by the British legal system; b) haven't considered the possibility of themselves or their family members being in that situation; or c) are extremists. Secondly it costs thousands yearly to keep some body in prison so if they'r never to be released why bother when the money can be spent on other things Because it's the right thing to do. We don't kill people because of the reasons already discussed. If you've got a humane alternative, I'd like to hear it. Thirdly Iraq invaded Saudi after Kuwait ( only briefly ) but don't think they observed many human rights do you ?
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" I would suggest that people who are in favour of the death penalty are so because they a) don't understand the meaning of the word 'justice' as used by the British legal system; b) haven't considered the possibility of themselves or their family members being in that situation; or c) are extremists. " would agree and add that they are ignoring for whatever reason the long list of miscarriages of justice which have taken place post the ending of capital punishment.. cant bring folk back from the dead once the state has killed them.. | |||
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" I disagree entirely. The death penalty simply cannot be justified. It's revenge in its most primitive form and doesn't belong in normal society. We should be setting an example to the backward countries like Iran, China and America, not following them down that path." It's not revenge, it's primarily a deterrent. It also removes the need to feed, clothe and care for, scum who make no valid contribution to society and have little regard for the lives of others. And the comment 'backward countries like Iran, (a founding member of the UN). China, (is the world's second-largest economy) and America, seriously?  Perhaps this country wouldn't be in the shit state it is in if there was a deterrent similar to the backward countries you refer too. | |||
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"Some of us don't approve of drugs. If you're offended, tough. You think my offence comes from a pro-drug stance and not the fact that you advocated state-sponsored violence inspired by Nazi death camps? Firstly just because you think something's rediciulous doesn't mean it is. Some people agree with death penalty se don't its they'r choice. I would suggest that people who are in favour of the death penalty are so because they a) don't understand the meaning of the word 'justice' as used by the British legal system; b) haven't considered the possibility of themselves or their family members being in that situation; or c) are extremists. Secondly it costs thousands yearly to keep some body in prison so if they'r never to be released why bother when the money can be spent on other things Because it's the right thing to do. We don't kill people because of the reasons already discussed. If you've got a humane alternative, I'd like to hear it. Thirdly Iraq invaded Saudi after Kuwait ( only briefly ) but don't think they observed many human rights do you ?
You're right, they did - unsuccessfully. And no, they most likely didn't. But the point I was making there was in Saudi Arabia human rights abuses are pretty widespread, and executions are common, brutal and completely inhumane."So to answer your reply A I have an education ( may not be best speller in the world but that doesn't make me uneducated ) and do understand the meaning of the word justice as used by the British legal system ( also confirmed I knew by asking sister who's a lawyer ) B if I or a family committed a crime that is punishable by death then why should I or they be excused. C I am not an extremist in any way I believe in human rights ( as stated earlier but also believe in the human rights of the people who have been wronged ) D the laws in Saudi are they're laws not ours no one is asking you to live by there but if you do then you abide by they're laws. And lastly doesn't the bible say an eye for an eye ? | |||
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"I do not support the death penalty for anything. I have some problems with an assumption that human rights travel with you to other jurisdictions. They may be described as universal rights but not all countries sign up to them. Just because you have citizenship of a country that does afford you human rights doesn't mean you can be treated differently when you break the law abroad. My concerns are about how cases like this get reported. Not just on this particular case but on other cases where Britons have flouted the laws of other countries. My concerns are about the fact that we try and have things both ways: "they" set their own laws and no one should interfere with the sovereignty of that law until it affects one of us. My concerns are about the fact that we allow social injustice to go unchecked because it doesn't affect us personally. On this particular case I take exception to being told she is a grandmother in every bulletin. We are all something to someone. The next man in this position should be described as son, nephew etc. There are grandmothers on this site. There are grandmothers in their late 30s. The term is being used to evoke a sympathy and emotion that is not impartial journalism." | |||
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"It's not revenge, it's primarily a deterrent. It also removes the need to feed, clothe and care for, scum who make no valid contribution to society and have little regard for the lives of others." Or people who've found themselves in difficult situations and have made poor decisions to get themselves out. The execution rates in the three countries mentioned suggest it's not a deterrent at all. "And the comment 'backward countries like Iran, (a founding member of the UN). China, (is the world's second-largest economy) and America, seriously? Perhaps this country wouldn't be in the shit state it is in if there was a deterrent similar to the backward countries you refer too. "Iran is an Islamic state which contains in its constitution the aim to destroy another country. There are daily, widespread human rights abuses. Men suspected of homosexual acts are executed. So yes, Iran is pretty backward. In China, there is no democracy. People have to move away from their families for months at a time and sleep on factory floors just for work. Female babies often don't last long. So yes, China is pretty backward. In America, mass shootings are a far too frequent occurrence. In parts of the country, Creation theory is taught as an equally valid alternative to evolution. George W Bush was President for 8 years. So yes, America is pretty backward. | |||
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"And lastly doesn't the bible say an eye for an eye ?" It does, but it also says a four hundred and something-year-old man built an enormous boat and collected billions of animals. It also says people who work on the Sabbath should be stoned to death. It also narrates the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah in a positive light. Put your outdated book away, it's not relevant at all. | |||
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" I disagree entirely. The death penalty simply cannot be justified. It's revenge in its most primitive form and doesn't belong in normal society. We should be setting an example to the backward countries like Iran, China and America, not following them down that path. It's not revenge, it's primarily a deterrent. It also removes the need to feed, clothe and care for, scum who make no valid contribution to society and have little regard for the lives of others. And the comment 'backward countries like Iran, (a founding member of the UN). China, (is the world's second-largest economy) and America, seriously? Perhaps this country wouldn't be in the shit state it is in if there was a deterrent similar to the backward countries you refer too. "If it was an effective deterrent there wouldn't be any drug pushers, but as there are people still prepared to run the risk of taking drugs through countries with the death penalty then it's obvious that it doesn't act as a deterrent at all. | |||
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"And lastly doesn't the bible say an eye for an eye ? " Wow, that old chestnut. People wheel that one out to back up an argument when they have nothing coherent left to say. | |||
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"And lastly doesn't the bible say an eye for an eye ? It does, but it also says a four hundred and something-year-old man built an enormous boat and collected billions of animals. It also says people who work on the Sabbath should be stoned to death. It also narrates the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah in a positive light. Put your outdated book away, it's not relevant at all." So my believe isn't relevant so isn't that my human right to believe in that outdated book? Didn't Hitler and Starling try to ban religion? Oh I forgot they where massive believers in human rights | |||
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"And lastly doesn't the bible say an eye for an eye ? Wow, that old chestnut. People wheel that one out to back up an argument when they have nothing coherent left to say." I believe it also said to turn the other cheek. | |||
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"And lastly doesn't the bible say an eye for an eye ? It does, but it also says a four hundred and something-year-old man built an enormous boat and collected billions of animals. It also says people who work on the Sabbath should be stoned to death. It also narrates the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah in a positive light. Put your outdated book away, it's not relevant at all. So my believe isn't relevant so isn't that my human right to believe in that outdated book? Didn't Hitler and Starling try to ban religion? Oh I forgot they where massive believers in human rights "Hitler wasn't an atheist, but nice try. Stalin created a personality cult around himself, which is basically the same as religion. The Kims have done the same in North Korea. You can believe whatever you want, that's the beauty of freedom, but picking bits out of the Bible to support your argument robs you of any credibility. | |||
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"And lastly doesn't the bible say an eye for an eye ? Wow, that old chestnut. People wheel that one out to back up an argument when they have nothing coherent left to say." I have a lot more to say. It's not an old chestnut it happens to say it in something I believe in. Lastly ignorant people like you who have nothing constructive to say should keep out of things. If you read the whole thing where as I don't always agree with 'don't bite my ears' at least his arguments are valid you just snipe at something you don't agree with or maybe understand!! | |||
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"And lastly doesn't the bible say an eye for an eye ? It does, but it also says a four hundred and something-year-old man built an enormous boat and collected billions of animals. It also says people who work on the Sabbath should be stoned to death. It also narrates the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah in a positive light. Put your outdated book away, it's not relevant at all. So my believe isn't relevant so isn't that my human right to believe in that outdated book? Didn't Hitler and Starling try to ban religion? Oh I forgot they where massive believers in human rights
Hitler wasn't an atheist, but nice try. Stalin created a personality cult around himself, which is basically the same as religion. The Kims have done the same in North Korea.
You can believe whatever you want, that's the beauty of freedom, but picking bits out of the Bible to support your argument robs you of any credibility."Firstly I'm not picking bits out of the bible to support my credibility I'm pointing out another way that people can look at it. And did I say Hitler was an atheist? | |||
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"And lastly doesn't the bible say an eye for an eye ? It does, but it also says a four hundred and something-year-old man built an enormous boat and collected billions of animals. It also says people who work on the Sabbath should be stoned to death. It also narrates the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah in a positive light. Put your outdated book away, it's not relevant at all. So my believe isn't relevant so isn't that my human right to believe in that outdated book? Didn't Hitler and Starling try to ban religion? Oh I forgot they where massive believers in human rights
Hitler wasn't an atheist, but nice try. Stalin created a personality cult around himself, which is basically the same as religion. The Kims have done the same in North Korea.
You can believe whatever you want, that's the beauty of freedom, but picking bits out of the Bible to support your argument robs you of any credibility.
Firstly I'm not picking bits out of the bible to support my credibility I'm pointing out another way that people can look at it. And did I say Hitler was an atheist? "How do you feel about the other three things I mentioned: Noah, Sodom and Gomorrah, working on the Sabbath? Why would anyone but an atheist try to ban religion? | |||
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"At the end of the day i'm in full agreement with View ...she wont get the death penalty they'll make her out as a victim ...she knew what she doing and what the consequences would be getting caught "Totally agree, the woman's an idiot. | |||
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" I disagree entirely. The death penalty simply cannot be justified. It's not revenge, it's primarily a deterrent. It also removes the need to feed, clothe and care for, scum who make no valid contribution to society and have little regard for the lives of others. " a staggering statement, someone is convicted cos they fit the crime or any of the other reasons that miscarriages of justice occur.. they are executed by the state and later proven to be innocent.. would you feel the same way about such 'scum' where they your child, sibling, parent or partner..? | |||
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"It's not revenge, it's primarily a deterrent. It also removes the need to feed, clothe and care for, scum who make no valid contribution to society and have little regard for the lives of others. Or people who've found themselves in difficult situations and have made poor decisions to get themselves out. The execution rates in the three countries mentioned suggest it's not a deterrent at all. And the comment 'backward countries like Iran, (a founding member of the UN). China, (is the world's second-largest economy) and America, seriously? Perhaps this country wouldn't be in the shit state it is in if there was a deterrent similar to the backward countries you refer too.
Iran is an Islamic state which contains in its constitution the aim to destroy another country. There are daily, widespread human rights abuses. Men suspected of homosexual acts are executed. So yes, Iran is pretty backward.
In China, there is no democracy. People have to move away from their families for months at a time and sleep on factory floors just for work. Female babies often don't last long. So yes, China is pretty backward.
In America, mass shootings are a far too frequent occurrence. In parts of the country, Creation theory is taught as an equally valid alternative to evolution. George W Bush was President for 8 years. So yes, America is pretty backward."And there is a country where people work away from home and have to sleep in cars or vans. Where children are systematically sexually abused by the people we are supposed to trust and are very rarely brought to justice. Where 1000's of elderly people die each year because they don't have the means to pay the obscene bills issued by energy companies. In other words different countries have different cultures and values and when it come down to the nitty gritty ours is no better than any other, so us being holier than thou about what happens in other countries backyards is a tad hypocritical when our own backyard is nothing to be proud of.  | |||
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" As I said before, if she gets the firing squad, televise it to put other fuckwits off" Regardless of her guilt, the thought of televising a crying, terrified and bewildered grandmother being frogmarched from a cell and then tied to a post whilst possibly urinating herself and then shot dead could hardly be considered either informative or entertaining? Maybe they should televise it in the middle of that diving program with Tom Daley in to try and boost the ratings? Or maybe have it screened as a one off special hosted by Cilla Black and call it Blind Hate?  | |||
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"And there is a country where people work away from home and have to sleep in cars or vans. Where children are systematically sexually abused by the people we are supposed to trust and are very rarely brought to justice. Where 1000's of elderly people die each year because they don't have the means to pay the obscene bills issued by energy companies. In other words different countries have different cultures and values and when it come down to the nitty gritty ours is no better than any other, so us being holier than thou about what happens in other countries backyards is a tad hypocritical when our own backyard is nothing to be proud of. "I don't disagree, but we absolutely shouldn't consider taking such mammoth backward steps as reintroducing the death penalty. We should be striving to make ourselves better, not worse. | |||
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"seen tv she lovely "Would you be saying the same thing if it was your beloved son/daughter who died a slow, horrible, painful death in front of you as a result of buying the drugs that this woman smuggled in? Nope - thought not! I'm not going to debate the rights & wrongs of the death penalty - the simple fact is, she looked at the risks and decided it was a chance worth taking. I'm afraid I'm with those who say she made her bed.... | |||
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"seen tv she lovely
Would you be saying the same thing if it was your beloved son/daughter who died a slow, horrible, painful death in front of you as a result of buying the drugs that this woman smuggled in? Nope - thought not!
did you?
I'm not going to debate the rights & wrongs of the death penalty - the simple fact is, she looked at the risks and decided it was a chance worth taking. I'm afraid I'm with those who say she made her bed...." | |||
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Would you be saying the same thing if it was your beloved son/daughter who died a slow, horrible, painful death in front of you as a result of buying the drugs that this woman smuggled in? Nope - thought not!
I'm not going to debate the rights & wrongs of the death penalty - the simple fact is, she looked at the risks and decided it was a chance worth taking. I'm afraid I'm with those who say she made her bed...."I'm totally against the death penalty but if someone killed my five year old son I'd hunt them down and torture them to death slowly but that doesn't make it right. The state has to be impartial and meter out acceptable levels of punishment that aren't cruel, unusual or barbaric. | |||
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" I disagree entirely. The death penalty simply cannot be justified. It's not revenge, it's primarily a deterrent. It also removes the need to feed, clothe and care for, scum who make no valid contribution to society and have little regard for the lives of others. a staggering statement, someone is convicted cos they fit the crime or any of the other reasons that miscarriages of justice occur.. they are executed by the state and later proven to be innocent.. would you feel the same way about such 'scum' where they your child, sibling, parent or partner..? " Yes, and I would pull the trigger myself, the woman addmitted the crime anyone who deals in drugs are the lowest form of scum and deserve everything that being caught bestows upon them, and if the crime is committed in a country where a conviction attracts the death penalty, all the better. It's the bleeding heart fluffy wuffy human rights obsessed that have ruined this country. If I were to commit a crime that affects the human right of others then I would expect to forfiet my human rights, you can't have it all ways. | |||
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"And lastly doesn't the bible say an eye for an eye ? Wow, that old chestnut. People wheel that one out to back up an argument when they have nothing coherent left to say. I have a lot more to say. It's not an old chestnut it happens to say it in something I believe in. Lastly ignorant people like you who have nothing constructive to say should keep out of things. If you read the whole thing where as I don't always agree with 'don't bite my ears' at least his arguments are valid you just snipe at something you don't agree with or maybe understand!!" So you want state sanctioned murder and you want to oppress anyone who disagrees with you? If you truly belived in the bible and all it contains then you wouldn't be on a site like this to begin with, but I suspect you support bits of it when it suits you. | |||
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"In my opinion if you're going to break the law in another country you need to be prepared to accept the consequences according to their laws +1. No sympathy for her at all " DITTO | |||
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"@funcple2013 is a drug dealer worse than a child molester?" No, they are not. A drug dealer doesn't know who he/she will be damaging with their drugs, a child molester knows exactly who they are damaging. | |||
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"In news today a british woman in bali has been found guilty of smuggling 10lb of cocaine which i guess is a lot. She has been given death penalty as far as i am concerned how they deal with it is upto them. Our foreign office state they are lobbying them as they do not believe in death sentence. We cannot have it all ways one hand we moan if folk try to interfere with our rules yet dictate to others. Folk say we need to be tougher on crime yet when another country is we complain. The woman admitted the offence gets what they deserve as its not news indonesia has strict rules." i think the death sentence is way too harsh for tht crime | |||
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"@funcple2013 is a drug dealer worse than a child molester? No, they are not. A drug dealer doesn't know who he/she will be damaging with their drugs, a child molester knows exactly who they are damaging." are all drug dealers the same? | |||
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"would you feel the same way about such 'scum' where they your child, sibling, parent or partner..? Yes, and I would pull the trigger myself" Absolute utter bullshit in its purest form. "the woman addmitted the crime anyone who deals in drugs are the lowest form of scum and deserve everything that being caught bestows upon them, and if the crime is committed in a country where a conviction attracts the death penalty, all the better. It's the bleeding heart fluffy wuffy human rights obsessed that have ruined this country. If I were to commit a crime that affects the human right of others then I would expect to forfiet my human rights, you can't have it all ways." Have you ever said the phrase 'send them all back' by any chance? | |||
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"Interesting that so many people on here support the death penalty for her, without having actually sat in the courtroom and heard all the evidence... Maybe it would be a good time to reflect on the fact that anyone on here who is gay or bi could be subject to the death penalty in some countries. Or even married women for playing away... Would you all support that so willingly?" I think the point that you and the poster who posted something about smuggling cigarettes into the UK being punishable by death are not considering is that neither cigarettes nor being gay are punishable by death in this country. If they were, I suspect a great deal less people would smuggle cigarettes in or be openly gay! You can't possibly compare them. | |||
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"Does she deserve to die for what she's done? Does she deserve compassion and help ? NO Do you think her human rights should simply no longer exist now she's been sentenced? Why should she have any human rights when she was happy to get rich off other people's misery? Or was she going to give the money to charity" no one knows what goes on behind closed doors,she could have been desperate for money or in a bad situation,theres no way she deserves to die!!everyone makes mistakes!its a big one yea but ppl have gotten a lot less sentences for much more evil crimes!a filthy peadophile in ireland tht abused his daughter for yrs got away scot free today!how can tht be justice!!! | |||
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"@funcple2013 is a drug dealer worse than a child molester?" I don't know which is worse.....thats for individuals to decide..... which is worse a politician who cuts the benfits of the sick and elderly worse than the politician who claims £££'s of expenses they're not entitled to?? | |||
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"And lastly doesn't the bible say an eye for an eye ? Wow, that old chestnut. People wheel that one out to back up an argument when they have nothing coherent left to say. I have a lot more to say. It's not an old chestnut it happens to say it in something I believe in. Lastly ignorant people like you who have nothing constructive to say should keep out of things. If you read the whole thing where as I don't always agree with 'don't bite my ears' at least his arguments are valid you just snipe at something you don't agree with or maybe understand!! So you want state sanctioned murder and you want to oppress anyone who disagrees with you? If you truly belived in the bible and all it contains then you wouldn't be on a site like this to begin with, but I suspect you support bits of it when it suits you." I believe in a state approved punishment wether it be capital or not if the majority vote then so be it. I don't agree with all that is said in the bible but I do agree with some of it. An eye for an eye yes I agree. Shall not kill obviously I don't agree have seen active service in 1 conflict 1 war and a policing action. Bible says its wrong to mark/change your body I'm heavily tattood.the point I'm trying to make is its my choice to pick and chose what I beleve in and not yours to tell me I can't which goes back to the original thread of do people think the Balinese have the right to execute a person who broke the law in they'r country. Without sounding rude I know a lot of the things I do In my life are wrong I'm the eyes of the bible but I'm honest about what I do where as you striker as a person who only has one outlook to any decision and that is your right we'r wrong | |||
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