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I do both, I have I'm a smoker even when I just vaped I had smoker.
Is it the same absolutely not it's not smoking there's no smoke to start with, the NHS don't class vapers as smokers.
I'd say just make it clear on your profile & the people who don't like it can avoid.
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To me, they are the same, but different…
While a vape is less offensive than tobacco smoke, it still lingers and has similar if less severe issues. The big one is that a taste still lingers which, as someone who loves kissing, is a turn off. Another big difference is unlike cigarettes, the vape seems to be ever present, and used all the time. With a cigarette, people tend to pop out and have one. The vape is just there.
I’d suggest declaring your smoker / vaper status and let those who you’re planning on meeting decide. It would be good if this was an option in the smoker section of the bio. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Are people who chew nicotine gum classed as smokers? How about nicotine lozenges? Or people who eat tomatoes, aubergines and other foodstuffs that naturally have nicotine in them? Most people who vape have made a very tough move to get off tobacco products and it's a shame to see them discriminated against in the same way as smokers. Nicotine on it's own isn't very harmful, it has far fewer potential harmful side-effects than paracetamol.
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By *atnayCouple
over a year ago
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Ex smokers here. We state on our profile that we vape. And on the od occasion slip up on a ciggy. But only when in the company of smokers and alchol lol. Otherwise vape only.
Interestingly, we have seen many profiles with non smokers stating 'happy to meet smokers'. So guess it realy is personal choice and we're all different. |
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"Are people who chew nicotine gum classed as smokers? How about nicotine lozenges? Or people who eat tomatoes, aubergines and other foodstuffs that naturally have nicotine in them? Most people who vape have made a very tough move to get off tobacco products and it's a shame to see them discriminated against in the same way as smokers. Nicotine on it's own isn't very harmful, it has far fewer potential harmful side-effects than paracetamol.
Bess x"
Both the lingering effects of smoking and vaping cause physical reactions in me. I can't speak to why others do as they do, but for me, it's a health thing. |
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By *oo..Woman
over a year ago
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"Are people who chew nicotine gum classed as smokers? How about nicotine lozenges? Or people who eat tomatoes, aubergines and other foodstuffs that naturally have nicotine in them? Most people who vape have made a very tough move to get off tobacco products and it's a shame to see them discriminated against in the same way as smokers. Nicotine on it's own isn't very harmful, it has far fewer potential harmful side-effects than paracetamol.
Bess x"
Any nicotine based products someone uses/chews can still be tasted by another person if they were to kiss you (as an example) and it tastes horrible to non smokers. |
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By *oo..Woman
over a year ago
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Yes, and its still just as annoying when they disappear outside every 10 mins to vape instead of smoking a fag!
I do agree though Fab should add an extra option under the preferences to include smoking or vaping. |
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"I really want ro know Are vapers classed as smokers"
Classes by who?
At my place of work E-cigarette of any kind are classed as smoking. For me meeting someone, probably not. As much as I’m not a fan of vaping in public with the large plumes of varying smells, I have to say I don’t find that the smells lingers which is my main issue with cigarette smokers. |
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"Are people who chew nicotine gum classed as smokers? How about nicotine lozenges? Or people who eat tomatoes, aubergines and other foodstuffs that naturally have nicotine in them? Most people who vape have made a very tough move to get off tobacco products and it's a shame to see them discriminated against in the same way as smokers. Nicotine on it's own isn't very harmful, it has far fewer potential harmful side-effects than paracetamol.
Bess x
Both the lingering effects of smoking and vaping cause physical reactions in me. I can't speak to why others do as they do, but for me, it's a health thing."
Do you mind if I ask what the physical health thing is? Never heard of any reaction to second hand vapour. |
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After a quick internet search.
Vaping is considered a form of smoking, in the eyes of the law.
It does go on to state that it is safer than smoking due to not giving off as many harmful chemicals, etc. |
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"After a quick internet search.
Vaping is considered a form of smoking, in the eyes of the law.
It does go on to state that it is safer than smoking due to not giving off as many harmful chemicals, etc."
According to the law?
Vaping does not fall under smoking, hence you can vape indoors at the discretion of any business.
It does however fall under TRPR which may be why you're confused. |
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"I would say yes. I'm a smoker and walking by someone vaping is yuck. Even my mum whose a non smoker says she prefers the smell of smoke to vapes"
Fresh smoke I quite like, stale smoke, no thank you. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I really want ro know Are vapers classed as smokers"
Yup, in my mind anyone that puts a cigarette or an item that's similar to a cigarette in their mouth is a smoker. |
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Depends if you think breathing in steam from a kettle is like smoking, there's no smoke.
If you go to a sauna it's not called a smoke room, you're breathing in steam and that's what you're breathing in when vaping.
It's steam vaper, clue's in the name
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"Depends if you think breathing in steam from a kettle is like smoking, there's no smoke.
If you go to a sauna it's not called a smoke room, you're breathing in steam and that's what you're breathing in when vaping.
It's steam vaper, clue's in the name
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Just semantics.
Culturally it's the same. Vaping's the new smoking. |
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"Depends if you think breathing in steam from a kettle is like smoking, there's no smoke.
If you go to a sauna it's not called a smoke room, you're breathing in steam and that's what you're breathing in when vaping.
It's steam vaper, clue's in the name
Just semantics.
Culturally it's the same. Vaping's the new smoking."
It's really not |
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"Depends if you think breathing in steam from a kettle is like smoking, there's no smoke.
If you go to a sauna it's not called a smoke room, you're breathing in steam and that's what you're breathing in when vaping.
It's steam vaper, clue's in the name
Just semantics.
Culturally it's the same. Vaping's the new smoking.
It's really not "
Some people clearly do see it that way, even if it's not universal. |
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"Depends if you think breathing in steam from a kettle is like smoking, there's no smoke.
If you go to a sauna it's not called a smoke room, you're breathing in steam and that's what you're breathing in when vaping.
It's steam vaper, clue's in the name
Just semantics.
Culturally it's the same. Vaping's the new smoking.
It's really not
Some people clearly do see it that way, even if it's not universal."
Some people also think Earth is flat  |
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"Depends if you think breathing in steam from a kettle is like smoking, there's no smoke.
If you go to a sauna it's not called a smoke room, you're breathing in steam and that's what you're breathing in when vaping.
It's steam vaper, clue's in the name
Just semantics.
Culturally it's the same. Vaping's the new smoking.
It's really not
Some people clearly do see it that way, even if it's not universal.
Some people also think Earth is flat "
Yes, finding vaping unpleasant and being scientifically illiterate are exactly the same  |
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"Depends if you think breathing in steam from a kettle is like smoking, there's no smoke.
If you go to a sauna it's not called a smoke room, you're breathing in steam and that's what you're breathing in when vaping.
It's steam vaper, clue's in the name
Just semantics.
Culturally it's the same. Vaping's the new smoking.
It's really not
Some people clearly do see it that way, even if it's not universal.
Some people also think Earth is flat
Yes, finding vaping unpleasant and being scientifically illiterate are exactly the same "
Funny you should bring science into it, because smoke and steam are completely different |
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"I really want ro know Are vapers classed as smokers"
This one again? 
Not even gonna read the thread as it's just going to be full of people taking a pop at eachother over personal preference |
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"Depends if you think breathing in steam from a kettle is like smoking, there's no smoke.
If you go to a sauna it's not called a smoke room, you're breathing in steam and that's what you're breathing in when vaping.
It's steam vaper, clue's in the name
Just semantics.
Culturally it's the same. Vaping's the new smoking.
It's really not
Some people clearly do see it that way, even if it's not universal.
Some people also think Earth is flat
Yes, finding vaping unpleasant and being scientifically illiterate are exactly the same
Funny you should bring science into it, because smoke and steam are completely different "
Mmhm. I said what people think "culturally". That isn't bound by science.
It's a thing that adults suck on that produces a cloud of unpleasant shit that some people don't want to be anywhere near, pushed by tobacco companies.
It's also something that some people think others aren't allowed to dislike, because dunno reasons. |
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"I see the kids outside tesco aged about 14 sitting there vaping. Have probably never smoked a cigarette in there lives but their hopked"
Yes I saw the BBC News item they did, it's very worrying that it's now a fashion trend amongst millions of kids |
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"Depends if you think breathing in steam from a kettle is like smoking, there's no smoke.
If you go to a sauna it's not called a smoke room, you're breathing in steam and that's what you're breathing in when vaping.
It's steam vaper, clue's in the name
Just semantics.
Culturally it's the same. Vaping's the new smoking.
It's really not
Some people clearly do see it that way, even if it's not universal.
Some people also think Earth is flat
Yes, finding vaping unpleasant and being scientifically illiterate are exactly the same
Funny you should bring science into it, because smoke and steam are completely different
Mmhm. I said what people think "culturally". That isn't bound by science.
It's a thing that adults suck on that produces a cloud of unpleasant shit that some people don't want to be anywhere near, pushed by tobacco companies.
It's also something that some people think others aren't allowed to dislike, because dunno reasons."
There's nothing wrong with disliking it, but calling it smoking when it's vaping is wrong as there's zero smoke |
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
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"Depends if you think breathing in steam from a kettle is like smoking, there's no smoke.
If you go to a sauna it's not called a smoke room, you're breathing in steam and that's what you're breathing in when vaping.
It's steam vaper, clue's in the name
Just semantics.
Culturally it's the same. Vaping's the new smoking.
It's really not
Some people clearly do see it that way, even if it's not universal.
Some people also think Earth is flat
Yes, finding vaping unpleasant and being scientifically illiterate are exactly the same
Funny you should bring science into it, because smoke and steam are completely different
Mmhm. I said what people think "culturally". That isn't bound by science.
It's a thing that adults suck on that produces a cloud of unpleasant shit that some people don't want to be anywhere near, pushed by tobacco companies.
It's also something that some people think others aren't allowed to dislike, because dunno reasons.
There's nothing wrong with disliking it, but calling it smoking when it's vaping is wrong as there's zero smoke "
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"Depends if you think breathing in steam from a kettle is like smoking, there's no smoke.
If you go to a sauna it's not called a smoke room, you're breathing in steam and that's what you're breathing in when vaping.
It's steam vaper, clue's in the name
Just semantics.
Culturally it's the same. Vaping's the new smoking.
It's really not
Some people clearly do see it that way, even if it's not universal.
Some people also think Earth is flat
Yes, finding vaping unpleasant and being scientifically illiterate are exactly the same
Funny you should bring science into it, because smoke and steam are completely different
Mmhm. I said what people think "culturally". That isn't bound by science.
It's a thing that adults suck on that produces a cloud of unpleasant shit that some people don't want to be anywhere near, pushed by tobacco companies.
It's also something that some people think others aren't allowed to dislike, because dunno reasons.
There's nothing wrong with disliking it, but calling it smoking when it's vaping is wrong as there's zero smoke "
You objected to it being culturally equated. Nothing in this thread says that vaping produces smoke, apart from you mocking the idea.
They seem entirely culturally equivalent to me. (Tea and coffee are culturally equivalent in some countries. But oh no, there's no coffee beans in tea!) |
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"Depends if you think breathing in steam from a kettle is like smoking, there's no smoke.
If you go to a sauna it's not called a smoke room, you're breathing in steam and that's what you're breathing in when vaping.
It's steam vaper, clue's in the name
Just semantics.
Culturally it's the same. Vaping's the new smoking.
It's really not
Some people clearly do see it that way, even if it's not universal.
Some people also think Earth is flat
Yes, finding vaping unpleasant and being scientifically illiterate are exactly the same
Funny you should bring science into it, because smoke and steam are completely different
Mmhm. I said what people think "culturally". That isn't bound by science.
It's a thing that adults suck on that produces a cloud of unpleasant shit that some people don't want to be anywhere near, pushed by tobacco companies.
It's also something that some people think others aren't allowed to dislike, because dunno reasons.
There's nothing wrong with disliking it, but calling it smoking when it's vaping is wrong as there's zero smoke
But still need to be the legal age to purchase it "
Yes because you can't buy nicotine underage because it's a drug |
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"Should not be, as there's no combustion and thus there's zero smoke. There may be no nicotine either
But other known harmful chemicals their was a program recently on about this "
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"Depends if you think breathing in steam from a kettle is like smoking, there's no smoke.
If you go to a sauna it's not called a smoke room, you're breathing in steam and that's what you're breathing in when vaping.
It's steam vaper, clue's in the name
Just semantics.
Culturally it's the same. Vaping's the new smoking.
It's really not
Some people clearly do see it that way, even if it's not universal.
Some people also think Earth is flat
Yes, finding vaping unpleasant and being scientifically illiterate are exactly the same
Funny you should bring science into it, because smoke and steam are completely different
Mmhm. I said what people think "culturally". That isn't bound by science.
It's a thing that adults suck on that produces a cloud of unpleasant shit that some people don't want to be anywhere near, pushed by tobacco companies.
It's also something that some people think others aren't allowed to dislike, because dunno reasons.
There's nothing wrong with disliking it, but calling it smoking when it's vaping is wrong as there's zero smoke
You objected to it being culturally equated. Nothing in this thread says that vaping produces smoke, apart from you mocking the idea.
They seem entirely culturally equivalent to me. (Tea and coffee are culturally equivalent in some countries. But oh no, there's no coffee beans in tea!)"
The thread is about are vapers smokers, your comparison of drinking 2 caffeine products is a poor choice as it's the same think but different types of drink |
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"Depends if you think breathing in steam from a kettle is like smoking, there's no smoke.
If you go to a sauna it's not called a smoke room, you're breathing in steam and that's what you're breathing in when vaping.
It's steam vaper, clue's in the name
Just semantics.
Culturally it's the same. Vaping's the new smoking.
It's really not
Some people clearly do see it that way, even if it's not universal.
Some people also think Earth is flat
Yes, finding vaping unpleasant and being scientifically illiterate are exactly the same
Funny you should bring science into it, because smoke and steam are completely different
Mmhm. I said what people think "culturally". That isn't bound by science.
It's a thing that adults suck on that produces a cloud of unpleasant shit that some people don't want to be anywhere near, pushed by tobacco companies.
It's also something that some people think others aren't allowed to dislike, because dunno reasons.
There's nothing wrong with disliking it, but calling it smoking when it's vaping is wrong as there's zero smoke
You objected to it being culturally equated. Nothing in this thread says that vaping produces smoke, apart from you mocking the idea.
They seem entirely culturally equivalent to me. (Tea and coffee are culturally equivalent in some countries. But oh no, there's no coffee beans in tea!)
The thread is about are vapers smokers, your comparison of drinking 2 caffeine products is a poor choice as it's the same think but different types of drink "
I answered the question earlier in the thread. In talking with you, I'm dealing with the cultural implications, which you seem to deny because... steam.
The fact you don't understand my analogy is unsurprising but not my problem. |
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"Depends if you think breathing in steam from a kettle is like smoking, there's no smoke.
If you go to a sauna it's not called a smoke room, you're breathing in steam and that's what you're breathing in when vaping.
It's steam vaper, clue's in the name
Just semantics.
Culturally it's the same. Vaping's the new smoking.
It's really not
Some people clearly do see it that way, even if it's not universal.
Some people also think Earth is flat
Yes, finding vaping unpleasant and being scientifically illiterate are exactly the same
Funny you should bring science into it, because smoke and steam are completely different
Mmhm. I said what people think "culturally". That isn't bound by science.
It's a thing that adults suck on that produces a cloud of unpleasant shit that some people don't want to be anywhere near, pushed by tobacco companies.
It's also something that some people think others aren't allowed to dislike, because dunno reasons.
There's nothing wrong with disliking it, but calling it smoking when it's vaping is wrong as there's zero smoke
You objected to it being culturally equated. Nothing in this thread says that vaping produces smoke, apart from you mocking the idea.
They seem entirely culturally equivalent to me. (Tea and coffee are culturally equivalent in some countries. But oh no, there's no coffee beans in tea!)
The thread is about are vapers smokers, your comparison of drinking 2 caffeine products is a poor choice as it's the same think but different types of drink
I answered the question earlier in the thread. In talking with you, I'm dealing with the cultural implications, which you seem to deny because... steam.
The fact you don't understand my analogy is unsurprising but not my problem."
Oh I understand completely what you're saying but do you have issues with plug ins as well? You know the ones that make rooms smell of flowers etc?
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"Depends if you think breathing in steam from a kettle is like smoking, there's no smoke.
If you go to a sauna it's not called a smoke room, you're breathing in steam and that's what you're breathing in when vaping.
It's steam vaper, clue's in the name
Just semantics.
Culturally it's the same. Vaping's the new smoking.
It's really not
Some people clearly do see it that way, even if it's not universal.
Some people also think Earth is flat
Yes, finding vaping unpleasant and being scientifically illiterate are exactly the same
Funny you should bring science into it, because smoke and steam are completely different
Mmhm. I said what people think "culturally". That isn't bound by science.
It's a thing that adults suck on that produces a cloud of unpleasant shit that some people don't want to be anywhere near, pushed by tobacco companies.
It's also something that some people think others aren't allowed to dislike, because dunno reasons.
There's nothing wrong with disliking it, but calling it smoking when it's vaping is wrong as there's zero smoke
You objected to it being culturally equated. Nothing in this thread says that vaping produces smoke, apart from you mocking the idea.
They seem entirely culturally equivalent to me. (Tea and coffee are culturally equivalent in some countries. But oh no, there's no coffee beans in tea!)
The thread is about are vapers smokers, your comparison of drinking 2 caffeine products is a poor choice as it's the same think but different types of drink
I answered the question earlier in the thread. In talking with you, I'm dealing with the cultural implications, which you seem to deny because... steam.
The fact you don't understand my analogy is unsurprising but not my problem.
Oh I understand completely what you're saying but do you have issues with plug ins as well? You know the ones that make rooms smell of flowers etc?
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Yup. Gross and a cause of irritants.
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"Depends if you think breathing in steam from a kettle is like smoking, there's no smoke.
If you go to a sauna it's not called a smoke room, you're breathing in steam and that's what you're breathing in when vaping.
It's steam vaper, clue's in the name
Just semantics.
Culturally it's the same. Vaping's the new smoking.
It's really not
Some people clearly do see it that way, even if it's not universal.
Some people also think Earth is flat
Yes, finding vaping unpleasant and being scientifically illiterate are exactly the same
Funny you should bring science into it, because smoke and steam are completely different
Mmhm. I said what people think "culturally". That isn't bound by science.
It's a thing that adults suck on that produces a cloud of unpleasant shit that some people don't want to be anywhere near, pushed by tobacco companies.
It's also something that some people think others aren't allowed to dislike, because dunno reasons.
There's nothing wrong with disliking it, but calling it smoking when it's vaping is wrong as there's zero smoke
You objected to it being culturally equated. Nothing in this thread says that vaping produces smoke, apart from you mocking the idea.
They seem entirely culturally equivalent to me. (Tea and coffee are culturally equivalent in some countries. But oh no, there's no coffee beans in tea!)
The thread is about are vapers smokers, your comparison of drinking 2 caffeine products is a poor choice as it's the same think but different types of drink
I answered the question earlier in the thread. In talking with you, I'm dealing with the cultural implications, which you seem to deny because... steam.
The fact you don't understand my analogy is unsurprising but not my problem.
Oh I understand completely what you're saying but do you have issues with plug ins as well? You know the ones that make rooms smell of flowers etc?
Yup. Gross and a cause of irritants.
People should clean their houses better."
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By *lydeXXXMan
over a year ago
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Eliquid is basically pg (propylene glycol) vg (vegetable glycerine) flavouring and nicotine if you want it which is usually suspended in pg and that's it. It isn't combusted it is heated to form vapour not smoke. Nicotine is no more harmful than caffeine but it is highly addictive. Public Health England regard vaping as posing a small fraction of the risk that smoking does, NHS have made similar statements. Cigarettes contain 1000's of harmful chemicals like benzene, hydrogen cyanide, ethylene oxide the list is huge. Eliquid doesn't contain those chemicals. As previously mentioned eliquid is not burnt it's heated and forms vapour. So, no its not smoking. |
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"Eliquid is basically pg (propylene glycol) vg (vegetable glycerine) flavouring and nicotine if you want it which is usually suspended in pg and that's it. It isn't combusted it is heated to form vapour not smoke. Nicotine is no more harmful than caffeine but it is highly addictive. Public Health England regard vaping as posing a small fraction of the risk that smoking does, NHS have made similar statements. Cigarettes contain 1000's of harmful chemicals like benzene, hydrogen cyanide, ethylene oxide the list is huge. Eliquid doesn't contain those chemicals. As previously mentioned eliquid is not burnt it's heated and forms vapour. So, no its not smoking. "
My take on it is this.
Inhaling nicotine, irrespective of the medium in which it is inhaled is smoking in the same way that using a a car is driving, irrespective of whether it’s ice or an ev.
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"Depends if you think breathing in steam from a kettle is like smoking, there's no smoke.
If you go to a sauna it's not called a smoke room, you're breathing in steam and that's what you're breathing in when vaping.
It's steam vaper, clue's in the name
Just semantics.
Culturally it's the same. Vaping's the new smoking.
It's really not
Some people clearly do see it that way, even if it's not universal.
Some people also think Earth is flat
Yes, finding vaping unpleasant and being scientifically illiterate are exactly the same
Funny you should bring science into it, because smoke and steam are completely different "
anyone who mistakenly thinks it is steam should try taking a drag from a boiling kettle and they’d very quickly feel the difference between steam and vapour. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Oh I love it when these threads come up.
No, smoking and vaping are different. Ones tobacco and one isn't, one is smoke the other isn't.
Both have nicotine though vaping can be nicotine free.
Can we all not just state that some of us don't mind smokers or vapers or both and others don't like it and won't go near. And cut out the rest of the argument over it.
It's the same as any other preference isn't it?
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By *lydeXXXMan
over a year ago
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"Eliquid is basically pg (propylene glycol) vg (vegetable glycerine) flavouring and nicotine if you want it which is usually suspended in pg and that's it. It isn't combusted it is heated to form vapour not smoke. Nicotine is no more harmful than caffeine but it is highly addictive. Public Health England regard vaping as posing a small fraction of the risk that smoking does, NHS have made similar statements. Cigarettes contain 1000's of harmful chemicals like benzene, hydrogen cyanide, ethylene oxide the list is huge. Eliquid doesn't contain those chemicals. As previously mentioned eliquid is not burnt it's heated and forms vapour. So, no its not smoking.
My take on it is this.
Inhaling nicotine, irrespective of the medium in which it is inhaled is smoking in the same way that using a a car is driving, irrespective of whether it’s ice or an ev.
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You're focusing too much on the nicotine when in fact nicotine is one of the least worrying chemicals in either eliquid or cigarettes. It's the other carcinogenic chemicals in cigarettes that are dangerous, the chemicals that are absent in eliquid. I'm happy to go with tge NHS and public health England's take on it. |
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"Eliquid is basically pg (propylene glycol) vg (vegetable glycerine) flavouring and nicotine if you want it which is usually suspended in pg and that's it. It isn't combusted it is heated to form vapour not smoke. Nicotine is no more harmful than caffeine but it is highly addictive. Public Health England regard vaping as posing a small fraction of the risk that smoking does, NHS have made similar statements. Cigarettes contain 1000's of harmful chemicals like benzene, hydrogen cyanide, ethylene oxide the list is huge. Eliquid doesn't contain those chemicals. As previously mentioned eliquid is not burnt it's heated and forms vapour. So, no its not smoking.
My take on it is this.
Inhaling nicotine, irrespective of the medium in which it is inhaled is smoking in the same way that using a a car is driving, irrespective of whether it’s ice or an ev.
You're focusing too much on the nicotine when in fact nicotine is one of the least worrying chemicals in either eliquid or cigarettes. It's the other carcinogenic chemicals in cigarettes that are dangerous, the chemicals that are absent in eliquid. I'm happy to go with tge NHS and public health England's take on it. "
Nah, I’m focussing on the act of sticking something in your mouth to inhale chemicals that feed an addiction. |
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As an ex-smoker, I find the smell of cigarette smoke on a guys breath seriously nasty. Vape breath I haven't found to be an issue I have to say, although the plumes of strawberry scented smoke aren't particularly sexy when actually vaping |
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"Depends if you think breathing in steam from a kettle is like smoking, there's no smoke.
If you go to a sauna it's not called a smoke room, you're breathing in steam and that's what you're breathing in when vaping.
It's steam vaper, clue's in the name
Just semantics.
Culturally it's the same. Vaping's the new smoking.
It's really not
Some people clearly do see it that way, even if it's not universal.
Some people also think Earth is flat
Yes, finding vaping unpleasant and being scientifically illiterate are exactly the same
Funny you should bring science into it, because smoke and steam are completely different
anyone who mistakenly thinks it is steam should try taking a drag from a boiling kettle and they’d very quickly feel the difference between steam and vapour. "
Anyone that thinks it's smoking should look at the difference from how a kettle works and a fire as a vape works in the same way as a kettle apart from the temperature that a kettle reaches |
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By *ustBoWoman
over a year ago
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No I don't think it's the same as smoking.But I personally find it almost as unpleasant. I don't like the sickly smell of it and the fog (if that's the term ) that it produces either when it's done indoors. I don't like someone sitting next to me a blowing it in my direction using the excuse it's vape not smoke so it's fine. Do I complain no,I usually will just move away. |
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By *adCherriesCouple
over a year ago
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"With life insurance if you vape you are classed as a smoker.
That's because insurance companies will use any excuse to reduce what they pay out and raise how much you have to pay each month "
Or because its seriously bad for your health, have you not read about children affected from collapsed lungs etc. Inhaling any chemical into your lungs is dangerous, even dust from occupation reasons (though that's what masks are for but some people are "too hard" to wear them) - it's not a conspiracy of insurance companies. |
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"With life insurance if you vape you are classed as a smoker.
That's because insurance companies will use any excuse to reduce what they pay out and raise how much you have to pay each month
Or because its seriously bad for your health, have you not read about children affected from collapsed lungs etc. Inhaling any chemical into your lungs is dangerous, even dust from occupation reasons (though that's what masks are for but some people are "too hard" to wear them) - it's not a conspiracy of insurance companies. "
Talking as someone who has to see a lung specialist I can tell you vaping is nowhere near as bad as smoking and kids are vaping micky mouse vapes that contain things the regulated ones do not |
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Talking as someone who has to see a lung specialist I can tell you vaping is nowhere near as bad as smoking and kids are vaping micky mouse vapes that contain things the regulated ones do not "
Funny because years back when this exact same debate was happening on here the arguments then were that vaping was entirely harmless. Here we are now and they're not so sure.
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"With life insurance if you vape you are classed as a smoker.
That's because insurance companies will use any excuse to reduce what they pay out and raise how much you have to pay each month
Or because its seriously bad for your health, have you not read about children affected from collapsed lungs etc. Inhaling any chemical into your lungs is dangerous, even dust from occupation reasons (though that's what masks are for but some people are "too hard" to wear them) - it's not a conspiracy of insurance companies. "
I just googled 'children collapsed lungs vaping'.
Only found one link to a story from the UK where a girl died from bilateral pneumothorax in 2015 and in that article it states this.
"The journal of Respiratory Medicine Case Reports reported in May last year (2021) of a growing association between pneumothorax and e-cigarettes, but said it had not yet been established as a risk factor."
The death didn't result in an inquest which if linked to vaping is strange.
All other cases appear to be in the US where products aren't regulated as they are in the UK and there's a long history of people vaping all kinds of shit. Don't forget this is the country where kids ate tide pods for kicks.
There is currently no evidence linking vaping to collapsed lungs. Sorry.
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"No I don't think it's the same as smoking.But I personally find it almost as unpleasant. I don't like the sickly smell of it and the fog (if that's the term ) that it produces either when it's done indoors. I don't like someone sitting next to me a blowing it in my direction using the excuse it's vape not smoke so it's fine. Do I complain no,I usually will just move away. "
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Is it the same no. But having read scientific journals on the subject (kids exposed to others vaping in secondary school). Vaping does cause acute lung injury. As it's relatively new we don't yet know the long term effects of vaping for 50 years yet. So this is what I've explained to my child along with the story that smoking was once considered safe. Hopefully they'll choose never to touch them. |
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Talking as someone who has to see a lung specialist I can tell you vaping is nowhere near as bad as smoking and kids are vaping micky mouse vapes that contain things the regulated ones do not
Funny because years back when this exact same debate was happening on here the arguments then were that vaping was entirely harmless. Here we are now and they're not so sure.
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Well I have ct scans every 6 months and I vape a lot and have done for a couple of years and no change from how they were.
There's dodgy vapes the same as there's dodgy cigs that have extra things in them but if you vape regulated ones then you're ok.
I know people who chain vaped now since they were first introduced, no cough no breathing problems or anything else and that's after 10 years plus.
Some people are problem affected because they have allergies they aren't aware of |
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"No I don't think it's the same as smoking.But I personally find it almost as unpleasant. I don't like the sickly smell of it and the fog (if that's the term ) that it produces either when it's done indoors. I don't like someone sitting next to me a blowing it in my direction using the excuse it's vape not smoke so it's fine. Do I complain no,I usually will just move away.
Knowing you've just inhaled somebody's sickly sweet exhale "
You could always just hold your breath for a couple of minutes |
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"No I don't think it's the same as smoking.But I personally find it almost as unpleasant. I don't like the sickly smell of it and the fog (if that's the term ) that it produces either when it's done indoors. I don't like someone sitting next to me a blowing it in my direction using the excuse it's vape not smoke so it's fine. Do I complain no,I usually will just move away.
Knowing you've just inhaled somebody's sickly sweet exhale
You could always just hold your breath for a couple of minutes "
Thanks for the tip.
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Talking as someone who has to see a lung specialist I can tell you vaping is nowhere near as bad as smoking and kids are vaping micky mouse vapes that contain things the regulated ones do not
Funny because years back when this exact same debate was happening on here the arguments then were that vaping was entirely harmless. Here we are now and they're not so sure.
Well I have ct scans every 6 months and I vape a lot and have done for a couple of years and no change from how they were.
There's dodgy vapes the same as there's dodgy cigs that have extra things in them but if you vape regulated ones then you're ok.
I know people who chain vaped now since they were first introduced, no cough no breathing problems or anything else and that's after 10 years plus.
Some people are problem affected because they have allergies they aren't aware of "
That's not evidence though. My gran started smoking at 13 and smoked all her life until her 80's, and had no respiratory problems. My mam has smoked since her teans and has no respiratory issues. But I'm not going say smoking is safe based on the people I know who smoke. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"Is it the same no. But having read scientific journals on the subject (kids exposed to others vaping in secondary school). Vaping does cause acute lung injury. As it's relatively new we don't yet know the long term effects of vaping for 50 years yet. So this is what I've explained to my child along with the story that smoking was once considered safe. Hopefully they'll choose never to touch them. "
The majority of that research relating to EVALI involves vitamin E acetate as the main contribitor to lung issues and deaths in the USA. It's long been banned from use in Europe and the UK.
So far there's been no mirroring of issues this side of the pond and that I suspect is down to the tight regulation of vaping products over here.
People frequently die from drinking home made alcohol a lot in Eastern Europe and Russia. Bootleg cigarettes similarly cause many issues around the world.
Why would vaping unregulated, known to be harmful chemicals be any different?
Vaping has been around and studied for decades - the first patent was applied for in the 1930's. The first commercial e-cigarette was in 2003.
I've yet to see any non American research evidencing a conclusive link between vaping and lung injury. Including papers from the BMJ, Cancer Research and plenty of non-tobacco funded studies.
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Talking as someone who has to see a lung specialist I can tell you vaping is nowhere near as bad as smoking and kids are vaping micky mouse vapes that contain things the regulated ones do not
Funny because years back when this exact same debate was happening on here the arguments then were that vaping was entirely harmless. Here we are now and they're not so sure.
Well I have ct scans every 6 months and I vape a lot and have done for a couple of years and no change from how they were.
There's dodgy vapes the same as there's dodgy cigs that have extra things in them but if you vape regulated ones then you're ok.
I know people who chain vaped now since they were first introduced, no cough no breathing problems or anything else and that's after 10 years plus.
Some people are problem affected because they have allergies they aren't aware of
That's not evidence though. My gran started smoking at 13 and smoked all her life until her 80's, and had no respiratory problems. My mam has smoked since her teans and has no respiratory issues. But I'm not going say smoking is safe based on the people I know who smoke. "
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"Is it the same no. But having read scientific journals on the subject (kids exposed to others vaping in secondary school). Vaping does cause acute lung injury. As it's relatively new we don't yet know the long term effects of vaping for 50 years yet. So this is what I've explained to my child along with the story that smoking was once considered safe. Hopefully they'll choose never to touch them.
The majority of that research relating to EVALI involves vitamin E acetate as the main contribitor to lung issues and deaths in the USA. It's long been banned from use in Europe and the UK.
So far there's been no mirroring of issues this side of the pond and that I suspect is down to the tight regulation of vaping products over here.
People frequently die from drinking home made alcohol a lot in Eastern Europe and Russia. Bootleg cigarettes similarly cause many issues around the world.
Why would vaping unregulated, known to be harmful chemicals be any different?
Vaping has been around and studied for decades - the first patent was applied for in the 1930's. The first commercial e-cigarette was in 2003.
I've yet to see any non American research evidencing a conclusive link between vaping and lung injury. Including papers from the BMJ, Cancer Research and plenty of non-tobacco funded studies.
A"
The UK government report in 2022, generally says that no definitive conclusions. Essentially, there isn't enough evidence one way or another, because there haven't been many long term studies, or there simply hasn't been enough studies performed yet.
So yeah I'm not going to tell my kids it's a safe thing to do. Just the same as I would advise them not to drink, or eat too many sweets.
I will add it's better than smoking and get in to anyone who as quit and has taken up vaping.
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"Is it the same no. But having read scientific journals on the subject (kids exposed to others vaping in secondary school). Vaping does cause acute lung injury. As it's relatively new we don't yet know the long term effects of vaping for 50 years yet. So this is what I've explained to my child along with the story that smoking was once considered safe. Hopefully they'll choose never to touch them.
The majority of that research relating to EVALI involves vitamin E acetate as the main contribitor to lung issues and deaths in the USA. It's long been banned from use in Europe and the UK.
So far there's been no mirroring of issues this side of the pond and that I suspect is down to the tight regulation of vaping products over here.
People frequently die from drinking home made alcohol a lot in Eastern Europe and Russia. Bootleg cigarettes similarly cause many issues around the world.
Why would vaping unregulated, known to be harmful chemicals be any different?
Vaping has been around and studied for decades - the first patent was applied for in the 1930's. The first commercial e-cigarette was in 2003.
I've yet to see any non American research evidencing a conclusive link between vaping and lung injury. Including papers from the BMJ, Cancer Research and plenty of non-tobacco funded studies.
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The UK government report in 2022, generally says that no definitive conclusions. Essentially, there isn't enough evidence one way or another, because there haven't been many long term studies, or there simply hasn't been enough studies performed yet.
So yeah I'm not going to tell my kids it's a safe thing to do. Just the same as I would advise them not to drink, or eat too many sweets.
I will add it's better than smoking and get in to anyone who as quit and has taken up vaping.
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Yep. And thats all good.
'No conclusions' is significantly different to the conspiracy theory style ravings of some when it comes to all things vaping. It's almost like newing in the virus forum sometimes when the subject crops up.
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"Is it the same no. But having read scientific journals on the subject (kids exposed to others vaping in secondary school). Vaping does cause acute lung injury. As it's relatively new we don't yet know the long term effects of vaping for 50 years yet. So this is what I've explained to my child along with the story that smoking was once considered safe. Hopefully they'll choose never to touch them.
The majority of that research relating to EVALI involves vitamin E acetate as the main contribitor to lung issues and deaths in the USA. It's long been banned from use in Europe and the UK.
So far there's been no mirroring of issues this side of the pond and that I suspect is down to the tight regulation of vaping products over here.
People frequently die from drinking home made alcohol a lot in Eastern Europe and Russia. Bootleg cigarettes similarly cause many issues around the world.
Why would vaping unregulated, known to be harmful chemicals be any different?
Vaping has been around and studied for decades - the first patent was applied for in the 1930's. The first commercial e-cigarette was in 2003.
I've yet to see any non American research evidencing a conclusive link between vaping and lung injury. Including papers from the BMJ, Cancer Research and plenty of non-tobacco funded studies.
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The UK government report in 2022, generally says that no definitive conclusions. Essentially, there isn't enough evidence one way or another, because there haven't been many long term studies, or there simply hasn't been enough studies performed yet.
So yeah I'm not going to tell my kids it's a safe thing to do. Just the same as I would advise them not to drink, or eat too many sweets.
I will add it's better than smoking and get in to anyone who as quit and has taken up vaping.
Yep. And thats all good.
'No conclusions' is significantly different to the conspiracy theory style ravings of some when it comes to all things vaping. It's almost like newing in the virus forum sometimes when the subject crops up.
A"
I don't go in there, my blood pressure can't take it. But to me it's kinda simple. Do I want my kids to start vaping or not? And I think that's the case for the vast majority of people.
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"Is it the same no. But having read scientific journals on the subject (kids exposed to others vaping in secondary school). Vaping does cause acute lung injury. As it's relatively new we don't yet know the long term effects of vaping for 50 years yet. So this is what I've explained to my child along with the story that smoking was once considered safe. Hopefully they'll choose never to touch them.
The majority of that research relating to EVALI involves vitamin E acetate as the main contribitor to lung issues and deaths in the USA. It's long been banned from use in Europe and the UK.
So far there's been no mirroring of issues this side of the pond and that I suspect is down to the tight regulation of vaping products over here.
People frequently die from drinking home made alcohol a lot in Eastern Europe and Russia. Bootleg cigarettes similarly cause many issues around the world.
Why would vaping unregulated, known to be harmful chemicals be any different?
Vaping has been around and studied for decades - the first patent was applied for in the 1930's. The first commercial e-cigarette was in 2003.
I've yet to see any non American research evidencing a conclusive link between vaping and lung injury. Including papers from the BMJ, Cancer Research and plenty of non-tobacco funded studies.
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The UK government report in 2022, generally says that no definitive conclusions. Essentially, there isn't enough evidence one way or another, because there haven't been many long term studies, or there simply hasn't been enough studies performed yet.
So yeah I'm not going to tell my kids it's a safe thing to do. Just the same as I would advise them not to drink, or eat too many sweets.
I will add it's better than smoking and get in to anyone who as quit and has taken up vaping.
Yep. And thats all good.
'No conclusions' is significantly different to the conspiracy theory style ravings of some when it comes to all things vaping. It's almost like newing in the virus forum sometimes when the subject crops up.
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I don't go in there, my blood pressure can't take it. But to me it's kinda simple. Do I want my kids to start vaping or not? And I think that's the case for the vast majority of people.
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I agree 100%.
To me there's only one reason to vape and that's to aid giving up cigs and as a tobacco alternative moving forward.
But then of course every smoker started cigarettes at one point, so given the choice between the two I'd rather some experimented with vaping than smoking.
Lesser of two evils by far.
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over a year ago
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Once people start throwing scientific papers about others can easily go off and find other science that suits. The pandemic taught us that much!
Personally I don't care what the health implications are unless they throw up some passive smoking issues.
Socially I regard it as a smoking habit. Clearly some others do too. |
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"I really want ro know Are vapers classed as smokers
Yes it's just as bad inhaling their shit.
That's what happens when you breath in a fart"
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"Is it the same no. But having read scientific journals on the subject (kids exposed to others vaping in secondary school). Vaping does cause acute lung injury. As it's relatively new we don't yet know the long term effects of vaping for 50 years yet. So this is what I've explained to my child along with the story that smoking was once considered safe. Hopefully they'll choose never to touch them.
The majority of that research relating to EVALI involves vitamin E acetate as the main contribitor to lung issues and deaths in the USA. It's long been banned from use in Europe and the UK.
So far there's been no mirroring of issues this side of the pond and that I suspect is down to the tight regulation of vaping products over here.
People frequently die from drinking home made alcohol a lot in Eastern Europe and Russia. Bootleg cigarettes similarly cause many issues around the world.
Why would vaping unregulated, known to be harmful chemicals be any different?
Vaping has been around and studied for decades - the first patent was applied for in the 1930's. The first commercial e-cigarette was in 2003.
I've yet to see any non American research evidencing a conclusive link between vaping and lung injury. Including papers from the BMJ, Cancer Research and plenty of non-tobacco funded studies.
A
The UK government report in 2022, generally says that no definitive conclusions. Essentially, there isn't enough evidence one way or another, because there haven't been many long term studies, or there simply hasn't been enough studies performed yet.
So yeah I'm not going to tell my kids it's a safe thing to do. Just the same as I would advise them not to drink, or eat too many sweets.
I will add it's better than smoking and get in to anyone who as quit and has taken up vaping.
Yep. And thats all good.
'No conclusions' is significantly different to the conspiracy theory style ravings of some when it comes to all things vaping. It's almost like newing in the virus forum sometimes when the subject crops up.
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I don't go in there, my blood pressure can't take it. But to me it's kinda simple. Do I want my kids to start vaping or not? And I think that's the case for the vast majority of people.
I agree 100%.
To me there's only one reason to vape and that's to aid giving up cigs and as a tobacco alternative moving forward.
But then of course every smoker started cigarettes at one point, so given the choice between the two I'd rather some experimented with vaping than smoking.
Lesser of two evils by far.
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By *odevilWoman
over a year ago
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I consider myself as an ex smoker but I do vape. My profile states I'm a non smoker because I do not smoke. My vape does not produce smoke. I do not inhale or exhale smoke.
If I'm planning on meeting someone who states they will not meet smokers, I do tend to let them know that I vape to establish whether or not its an issue.
People are absolutely allowed to have preferences but it is not correct or accurate to equate vaping with smoking.
Some of my friends are happy for me to vape in their houses for example, others prefer that I go outside. This is 100% their prerogative.
I really don't see why it's such a controversial issue.
Is vaping the same as smoking?
No it is not.
Are you allowed not to like vaping?
Absolutely, yes.
If you're going to get on some kind of moral highground soapbox about it, maybe stop judging people over something so arbitrary and find a real issue to get upset about because there are plenty of those. Jeez.
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"I consider myself as an ex smoker but I do vape. My profile states I'm a non smoker because I do not smoke. My vape does not produce smoke. I do not inhale or exhale smoke.
If I'm planning on meeting someone who states they will not meet smokers, I do tend to let them know that I vape to establish whether or not its an issue.
People are absolutely allowed to have preferences but it is not correct or accurate to equate vaping with smoking.
Some of my friends are happy for me to vape in their houses for example, others prefer that I go outside. This is 100% their prerogative.
I really don't see why it's such a controversial issue.
Is vaping the same as smoking?
No it is not.
Are you allowed not to like vaping?
Absolutely, yes.
If you're going to get on some kind of moral highground soapbox about it, maybe stop judging people over something so arbitrary and find a real issue to get upset about because there are plenty of those. Jeez.
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Yes it's just as bad inhaling their shit.
That's what happens when you breath in a fart
Scientifically they say that's good for you though. Apparently it's 'friendly bacteria'..."
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"I really want ro know Are vapers classed as smokers
Yes it's just as bad inhaling their shit.
That's what happens when you breath in a fart
Scientifically they say that's good for you though. Apparently it's 'friendly bacteria'...
Good for the heart they say"
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By (user no longer on site)
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It's not the same exactly but some find it as unpleasant, so it's polite to inform anyone before you meet so they can decide, save wasting time. Hiding it is disingenuous.
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"Depends if you think breathing in steam from a kettle is like smoking, there's no smoke.
If you go to a sauna it's not called a smoke room, you're breathing in steam and that's what you're breathing in when vaping.
It's steam vaper, clue's in the name
Just semantics.
Culturally it's the same. Vaping's the new smoking.
It's really not
Some people clearly do see it that way, even if it's not universal.
Some people also think Earth is flat
Yes, finding vaping unpleasant and being scientifically illiterate are exactly the same
Funny you should bring science into it, because smoke and steam are completely different
anyone who mistakenly thinks it is steam should try taking a drag from a boiling kettle and they’d very quickly feel the difference between steam and vapour.
Anyone that thinks it's smoking should look at the difference from how a kettle works and a fire as a vape works in the same way as a kettle apart from the temperature that a kettle reaches "
It really isn’t steam. It is vaporised glycerol and whatever else is mixed in.
Yes, there’s no smoke.
It’s the same habit though, just a different medium of inhalation. |
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Is the vapour "smoke", ie a suspension of particles from burning something? No.
Is the vapour "steam", ie the gaseous state water? No.
Can you vape on a plane? No.
Can you vape on a train? No.
Can you vape on a bus? No.
Can you vape in a taxi? No.
Can you vape anywhere smoking is banned? NO.
Society has deemed "vaping" to be analogous to "smoking". Vapers and Smokers are both exhaling copious amounts of chemicals in a suspended state of something that another person has chosen not to inhale.
To the average non-smoker; there is no difference. |
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"Is the vapour "smoke", ie a suspension of particles from burning something? No.
Is the vapour "steam", ie the gaseous state water? No.
Can you vape on a plane? No.
Can you vape on a train? No.
Can you vape on a bus? No.
Can you vape in a taxi? No.
Can you vape anywhere smoking is banned? NO.
Society has deemed "vaping" to be analogous to "smoking". Vapers and Smokers are both exhaling copious amounts of chemicals in a suspended state of something that another person has chosen not to inhale.
To the average non-smoker; there is no difference."
Vapour particles dissappear within seconds, they don't linger like smoke which lasts for around 45 minutes. That's what the research says anyway.
No it's not allowed indoors usually but you also won't receive a fine if get caught as it's not actually illegal like smoking in public places |
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Vaping isn't smoking, the only similarity is the hand 2 mouth action. It's supposedly less harmful than smoking but isn't risk-free. Neither of them are good except for the revenue it generates for the fatcat developers. |
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"I really want ro know Are vapers classed as smokersIts still unhealthy so yes 
So pizza is smoking?If you are inhaling it after burning it then yes
Pineapple doesn’t burn….  "
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"Is the vapour "smoke", ie a suspension of particles from burning something? No.
Is the vapour "steam", ie the gaseous state water? No.
Can you vape on a plane? No.
Can you vape on a train? No.
Can you vape on a bus? No.
Can you vape in a taxi? No.
Can you vape anywhere smoking is banned? NO.
Society has deemed "vaping" to be analogous to "smoking". Vapers and Smokers are both exhaling copious amounts of chemicals in a suspended state of something that another person has chosen not to inhale.
To the average non-smoker; there is no difference."
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There's many pubs allow vaping, so yeah you can vape places you can't smoke.
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"Is the vapour "smoke", ie a suspension of particles from burning something? No.
Is the vapour "steam", ie the gaseous state water? No.
Can you vape on a plane? No.
Can you vape on a train? No.
Can you vape on a bus? No.
Can you vape in a taxi? No.
Can you vape anywhere smoking is banned? NO.
Society has deemed "vaping" to be analogous to "smoking". Vapers and Smokers are both exhaling copious amounts of chemicals in a suspended state of something that another person has chosen not to inhale.
To the average non-smoker; there is no difference."
You can most certainly vape in places where smoking is banned. Legally. |
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"People are absolutely allowed to have preferences but it is not correct or accurate to equate vaping with smoking."
Equating smoking and vaping is correct.
We all know that smoking is harmful to smokers and those around them. There is not yet sufficient information to prove that vaping is risk free. That will take time. So, let’s leave the health arguments out of it for now.
But people object to smoking for reasons in addition to those around health. There is the smell from fresh and stale smoke. There is the lingering aroma on the cloths, body and especially breath, to name but a few. All of these are common to both smoking and vaping, and so they equate to one another.
And peoples preferences not to meet smokers or vapers is based on that equation. |
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I don't see why vaping or smoking is an issue to anyone, the solution is to don't even consider it to be an option when meeting someone.
After all, if you get the unfortunate issue of sitting in A & E for countless hours without a ciggie or vape, it certainly shouldn't be a problem to meet someone for an hour or two of bliss.
Just suck a few mints to freshen your breath, job done |
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By *odevilWoman
over a year ago
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"People are absolutely allowed to have preferences but it is not correct or accurate to equate vaping with smoking.
Equating smoking and vaping is correct.
We all know that smoking is harmful to smokers and those around them. There is not yet sufficient information to prove that vaping is risk free. That will take time. So, let’s leave the health arguments out of it for now.
But people object to smoking for reasons in addition to those around health. There is the smell from fresh and stale smoke. There is the lingering aroma on the cloths, body and especially breath, to name but a few. All of these are common to both smoking and vaping, and so they equate to one another.
And peoples preferences not to meet smokers or vapers is based on that equation."
Wrong.
Get a dictionary and look up the words: "smoke" and "equate".
If you pay attention, you'll notice I actually did advocate for personal preference.
Opinions are not the same as facts.
There is no *smoke* emitted from a vape. Vaping is not therefore *equal* to smoking.
You may choose to dislike vaping for some of the same reasons as disliking vaping, yes. This does not make them the same thing.
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Wrong.
Get a dictionary and look up the words: "smoke" and "equate".
If you pay attention, you'll notice I actually did advocate for personal preference.
Opinions are not the same as facts.
There is no *smoke* emitted from a vape. Vaping is not therefore *equal* to smoking.
You may choose to dislike vaping for some of the same reasons as disliking vaping, yes. This does not make them the same thing.
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equate:
verb
consider (one thing) to be the same as or equivalent to another.
^There ya go
And as many have indicated: they consider vaping to be smoking |
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By *odevilWoman
over a year ago
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Wrong.
Get a dictionary and look up the words: "smoke" and "equate".
If you pay attention, you'll notice I actually did advocate for personal preference.
Opinions are not the same as facts.
There is no *smoke* emitted from a vape. Vaping is not therefore *equal* to smoking.
You may choose to dislike vaping for some of the same reasons as disliking vaping, yes. This does not make them the same thing.
equate:
verb
consider (one thing) to be the same as or equivalent to another.
^There ya go
And as many have indicated: they consider vaping to be smoking "
Aren't you clever? Maybe look up "cognitive dissonance" while you're there.
Bored now. |
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Wrong.
Get a dictionary and look up the words: "smoke" and "equate".
If you pay attention, you'll notice I actually did advocate for personal preference.
Opinions are not the same as facts.
There is no *smoke* emitted from a vape. Vaping is not therefore *equal* to smoking.
You may choose to dislike vaping for some of the same reasons as disliking vaping, yes. This does not make them the same thing.
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It makes them the same thing to a lot of people though. You can’t make it not so, just by getting cross about and telling folk they’re wrong. They will still feel the same. |
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Whilst they aren’t the same, I think people should make it clear when meeting if they vape as it’s still either taking them outside and therefore breaking up a social/play session and it’s making their breath taste differently.
Would we meet smokers? No
Would we meet vapers? We have
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I find smell of some vapes more irritating than tobacco. And gosh it doesn't look nowhere near as sexy. yeah yeah health reasons and all that. Just focusing on sensations.
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"I find smell of some vapes more irritating than tobacco. And gosh it doesn't look nowhere near as sexy. yeah yeah health reasons and all that. Just focusing on sensations.
T"
You haven't seen me doing my dragon impression |
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They’re not the same, but I dislike both. In my opinion, they are both awful habits that stink. The smell of most vapes knock me sick. A lot of people also seem to have their vape permanently attached to their hand and think nothing of surrounding you in a sickly sweet cloud saturated with chemicals |
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"I find smell of some vapes more irritating than tobacco. And gosh it doesn't look nowhere near as sexy. yeah yeah health reasons and all that. Just focusing on sensations.
T
You haven't seen me doing my dragon impression "
You haven't seen me doing my sacrificed virgin impression |
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"I find smell of some vapes more irritating than tobacco. And gosh it doesn't look nowhere near as sexy. yeah yeah health reasons and all that. Just focusing on sensations.
T
You haven't seen me doing my dragon impression
You haven't seen me doing my sacrificed virgin impression "
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