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Two teenagers die in a car crash, police turn up to pick up the pieces from someone else's stupidity (and let's be honest, 2 deaths in a vehicle on a residential street can only be caused by someone's stupidity). A rumour gets started the crash was the result of a police chase and a riot ensues. Cars are burnt - including one belonging to a disabled person, a member of the public is assaulted in the mistaken belief they are a plain clothes police officer.
The police often take a lot of abuse on these fora but let's be honest, given the utterly brainless morons that make up a large section of the public from which they're recruited I'm frankly amazed they don't have more issues.
No doubt there will be a parade of people through here blaming this entire episode on the police but before they arrive I'm going to say I hope every person responsible in any way for this pays the highest price the law can extract - and then gets sent back to school to learn how to think. |
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By *ot-AshMan
over a year ago
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There was also trouble in Wembley North London 2 days ago when about 150 youths started attacking cars and buses for no reason and then the police when they turned up...
I think we could sadly be in for a summer of riots across the UK.... |
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"where was this and when so we can look at the facts ourselves"
As others have said, it was Cardiff, but the only 'facts' you'll get are those that are available online - and as with all such 'facts' you're free to choose the ones you want to believe. From many occasions where I have personally been involved in incidents that have made the press, I'm well aware how poorly things are often reported though on the whole the BBC generally does a far better job than most other media outlets. |
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There is now a disconnect between the young & the Police, their generation only see Police in cars.
No beat bobbies, no Police school visits, very few Police stations etc has bought a disrespect for Authority & that's before poor parenting.
No idea where we end up as Police must now have a degree to join yet all education facilities are now extremely woke so what we breeding & coppers have no limits on physical size or appearance.
Some would blow away in the wind so tend to observe unrest & film rather than engage and protect. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"There was also trouble in Wembley North London 2 days ago when about 150 youths started attacking cars and buses for no reason and then the police when they turned up...
I think we could sadly be in for a summer of riots across the UK...."
All for absolutely no reason whatsoever. The mind boggles as to what these people actually want from life |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No beat bobbies, no Police school visits, very few Police stations etc has bought a disrespect for Authority & that's before poor parenting.
No idea where we end up as Police must now have a degree to join yet all education facilities are now extremely woke so what we breeding & coppers have no limits on physical size or appearance.
Some would blow away in the wind so tend to observe unrest & film rather than engage and protect."
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You don't have to have a degree in order to join the police in England and Wales.
Most new officers go down the PCDA route, where after 36 months you get your degree after on the job training and tuition.
Old school experienced police officers make up the bulk of training officers. |
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No excuses for this at all.
Sad that two people have lost their lives and sad that people feel that they have justification rioting!!
Fucking idiots.
This is what happens when a a complete lack of respect and authority happens.
I Could go on a rant about social media,anti establishment agenda's influencing the feeble mined and conspiracy theorists.
But I won't. |
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"No excuses for this at all.
Sad that two people have lost their lives and sad that people feel that they have justification rioting!!
Fucking idiots.
This is what happens when a a complete lack of respect and authority happens.
I Could go on a rant about social media,anti establishment agenda's influencing the feeble mined and conspiracy theorists.
But I won't."
But you would be correct… |
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"No excuses for this at all.
Sad that two people have lost their lives and sad that people feel that they have justification rioting!!
Fucking idiots.
This is what happens when a a complete lack of respect and authority happens.
I Could go on a rant about social media,anti establishment agenda's influencing the feeble mined and conspiracy theorists.
But I won't."
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By *andyrod1Man
over a year ago
St Margaret's at Cliffe |
"You don't have to have a degree in order to join the police in England and Wales.
Most new officers go down the PCDA route, where after 36 months you get your degree after on the job training and tuition.
Old school experienced police officers make up the bulk of training officers."
Most officers on the streets now have less than five years service.
My son joined last year and his most experienced tutor constable had three years service, it really is the blind leading the blind.
When l retired from the Met l was the only experienced officer on my team, my most experienced colleague had six years in.
This is mainly down the constant attacks on policing by successive Conservative governments, cutting numbers, selling off stations, cutting pay and pathetic leadership, so much for the law and order party! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It was an scooter in the crash according to the news. Round our area we sometimes see kids riding small motorbikes on the road without safe control of their bike or even doing life saver checks. Just look at it as nature ing out the stupid people, it's the best way to stay sane. |
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"It was an scooter in the crash according to the news. Round our area we sometimes see kids riding small motorbikes on the road without safe control of their bike or even doing life saver checks. Just look at it as nature ing out the stupid people, it's the best way to stay sane."
Same round here. Some of the kids clearly have a death wish which is then occasionally granted. It is sad but sometimes you can’t help people who think they are immortal. I feel sorry for the people who have to pick up the pieces. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"There is now a disconnect between the young & the Police, their generation only see Police in cars.
No beat bobbies, no Police school visits, very few Police stations etc has bought a disrespect for Authority & that's before poor parenting.
No idea where we end up as Police must now have a degree to join yet all education facilities are now extremely woke so what we breeding & coppers have no limits on physical size or appearance.
Some would blow away in the wind so tend to observe unrest & film rather than engage and protect."
Unfortunately society gets the policing it so deserves, theres no protection for the officers no backing from management- publicly hung out to dry at every available opportunity by Police Chiefs on social media. They’re judged by armchair critics on a 10 second reel on facebook,tictok twitter at every available opportunity. Theres an air of SELF ENTITLEMENT about the public in this country copy cat shite they see in America, auditors vloggers - everyones just after that like on their social media account.
The Wayne Cousins haven't helped the plight however statistically there has been more persons murdered by Doctors,Nurses, Midwifes and taxi drivers, etc all in positions of trust but this doesn't suit the media agenda of demoralising what was once a world renounce police force. |
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"There is now a disconnect between the young & the Police, their generation only see Police in cars.
No beat bobbies, no Police school visits, very few Police stations etc has bought a disrespect for Authority & that's before poor parenting.
No idea where we end up as Police must now have a degree to join yet all education facilities are now extremely woke so what we breeding & coppers have no limits on physical size or appearance.
Some would blow away in the wind so tend to observe unrest & film rather than engage and protect.
Unfortunately society gets the policing it so deserves, theres no protection for the officers no backing from management- publicly hung out to dry at every available opportunity by Police Chiefs on social media. They’re judged by armchair critics on a 10 second reel on facebook,tictok twitter at every available opportunity. Theres an air of SELF ENTITLEMENT about the public in this country copy cat shite they see in America, auditors vloggers - everyones just after that like on their social media account.
The Wayne Cousins haven't helped the plight however statistically there has been more persons murdered by Doctors,Nurses, Midwifes and taxi drivers, etc all in positions of trust but this doesn't suit the media agenda of demoralising what was once a world renounce police force. "
A lot of truth in there but certainly a lot of society still respect the Police & ultimately this government has diminished the service cutting numbers & Police Stations thus letting the public down & allowing the disrespectful to gain a foothold.
I am certain Labour would of done no better but that's no consolation.
People not separating Wayne Couzens from the many good coppers is compounded by the press wanting to bash the Police.
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By *etro1940sCouple
over a year ago
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"No excuses for this at all.
Sad that two people have lost their lives and sad that people feel that they have justification rioting!!
Fucking idiots.
This is what happens when a a complete lack of respect and authority happens.
I Could go on a rant about social media,anti establishment agenda's influencing the feeble mined and conspiracy theorists.
But I won't."
a powerful and persuasive argument - violence is counter productive and vast majority of Police are hard working values based civil servants - those in the job know how hard it is with today's Americanised culture |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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No idea where we end up as Police must now have a degree to join …
Recently and quietly being scrapped.
I'll research but if so that's good, certainly need good grades but not a degree. "
A quick google tells me that the minimum requirement is 2 GCSE's grade C or above. Not a high bar. A good friend of ours is serving police officer and he's doing a paramedic qualification and is desperate to leave the police. So many of his colleagues have left over the past few years. He says that nobody wants to do the job anymore and that those who do aren't the types they want, but as nobody is applying, they take what they can get.
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By *usie pTV/TS
over a year ago
taunton |
Life is way too easy for most of them they are getting too much money for doing nothing, a good hard grafting employment is required for most of them, we need to ban all mechanisation on building sites and bring back labourers, all the thick fookers I went to school with who left at 15 and most could hardly write or read went to the building sites and have now ended up multi millionaire building developers.
PS please forgive the spelling and grammar I was one of them lol. |
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"There was also trouble in Wembley North London 2 days ago when about 150 youths started attacking cars and buses for no reason and then the police when they turned up...
I think we could sadly be in for a summer of riots across the UK....
All for absolutely no reason whatsoever. The mind boggles as to what these people actually want from life"
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It's disappointing to read some police bashing comments on here when ultimately it wasn't their life choices that caused this incident.
It is sad for the families of those who lost their lives but as harsh as it sounds, you play stupid games you win stupid prizes. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's disappointing to read some police bashing comments on here when ultimately it wasn't their life choices that caused this incident.
It is sad for the families of those who lost their lives but as harsh as it sounds, you play stupid games you win stupid prizes."
I haven’t read any police bashing comments on here? I thought this thread was quite supportive tbh. |
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"It's disappointing to read some police bashing comments on here when ultimately it wasn't their life choices that caused this incident.
It is sad for the families of those who lost their lives but as harsh as it sounds, you play stupid games you win stupid prizes.
I haven’t read any police bashing comments on here? I thought this thread was quite supportive tbh. "
There's a couple imo, years of service doesn't always equate to capability and neither does someone's size. Standing back and observing could be more to do with the directive given to them. |
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"It's disappointing to read some police bashing comments on here when ultimately it wasn't their life choices that caused this incident.
It is sad for the families of those who lost their lives but as harsh as it sounds, you play stupid games you win stupid prizes.
I haven’t read any police bashing comments on here? I thought this thread was quite supportive tbh. "
In fairness it has. That said, the BBC have just released footage showing what appears to be a police van following two youngsters on some kind of powered scooter minutes before the crash and just over 1/2 a mile away. That isn't the same as them being in pursuit at the time of the crash which they denied earlier but certainly isn't likely to endear them to those who believe they lie to cover their own backs. |
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It has also been reported but I haven’t heard it confirmed that the fire brigade who turned up to put out the car fires were also attacked.
There were also reports of a fuel tanker in a residential area between houses that was close to being ignited by the rioters. They would of caused even more deaths if that has happened.
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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago
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I feel for the families of those that lost their life and those who suffered damage to property.
Those boys apparently lay in the road for hours due to emergency services being unable to reach them because of the riots and coming under attack. I don’t know why the rioters were rioting, but it sure wasn’t out of compassion for the lives lost. No mum or dad should have to carry the burden of that knowledge.
I hope the Ely community come together to support each other through this.
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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago
1950's Original |
After the commissioner has been stating all day the police were not chasing them it was just social media rumours....footage has now emerged ( looks like from a bedroom window) of the bike going past followed by a police van chasing them.( BBC 6pm news).
The police van must have radiod in that they were chasing the two ,so actually the rumours were founded |
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By *929Man
over a year ago
newcastle |
There will always be a certain portion of the population that have an instilled at birth hatred of the police and that will never ever change regardless of any public relation efforts
That being said they certainly don’t do themselves any favours, there are many brilliant police officers and I have dealt with a fair few that were absolutely brilliant but also I’ve seen and been on the receiving end of a fair amount of shit by complete and utter twats unfit to wear the uniform over the years that I generally have a very negative view although I fully disagree with the riots and attacks but also believe something needs to change.
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"I work near Ely
It's a fucking shit hole, it's like shameless fucked this is England and had a inbred disgusting child
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-Come on, parts of it aren't great I agree, but it's not that bad. And a lot of the houses are very fine - it just lacks attention. I used to cut right through it to see my partner right at the top, in Caerau. Car crime with kids has always been a problem up there (another time when I fixed someone's pc and the road was blocked by the police), and my ex remembered the original 'Ely Bread Riots' back in the 90's, where the sudden intense heat one summer caused loads of kids to get triggered by some silly event in a shop. Her school closed so she wandered around for the day I think.
I think Cardiff hit 22 degrees when this happened, and no doubt a lot of people will think the sudden heat could be involved in some way.
FWIW Ely resides over Ely Bridge (Cardiff has a few rivers) and can feel like you are leaving Cardiff a bit. But they are slowly doing it up from the bridge into Ely itself. They always had a problem with connecting it to town. They do it with a constant bus stream, but it needed and needs a lot more localised attractions really. They need to build properly within in - and just for the people of Ely.
A huge amount of Cardiff's money goes straight into the centre (which is an excellent centre) or trying to uber-nationalise people with no interest in having that done to them. Ely 'Hub' has many Welsh language books for example literally taking the room of English ones. And all the books were pared-down for unused computers and the council's presence too of course. It's endless bad governance in a world of alcopops and mobile phones.
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By *mf123Man
over a year ago
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"[Removed by poster at 23/05/23 17:50:02]
Lol not surprised you removed that. Forums are great filters  "
ooo its not the worry of getting a lay dear but i cant be arsed with the agro |
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"[Removed by poster at 23/05/23 17:50:02]
Lol not surprised you removed that. Forums are great filters ooo its not the worry of getting a lay dear but i cant be arsed with the agro "
I don’t think you’ll be needing to worry ‘dear’ |
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By *mf123Man
over a year ago
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"[Removed by poster at 23/05/23 17:50:02]
Lol not surprised you removed that. Forums are great filters ooo its not the worry of getting a lay dear but i cant be arsed with the agro
I don’t think you’ll be needing to worry ‘dear’ "
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"I feel for the families of those that lost their life and those who suffered damage to property.
Those boys apparently lay in the road for hours due to emergency services being unable to reach them because of the riots and coming under attack. I don’t know why the rioters were rioting, but it sure wasn’t out of compassion for the lives lost. No mum or dad should have to carry the burden of that knowledge.
I hope the Ely community come together to support each other through this.
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"After the commissioner has been stating all day the police were not chasing them it was just social media rumours....footage has now emerged ( looks like from a bedroom window) of the bike going past followed by a police van chasing them.( BBC 6pm news).
The police van must have radiod in that they were chasing the two ,so actually the rumours were founded "
But not enough to justify a riot! |
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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago
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"After the commissioner has been stating all day the police were not chasing them it was just social media rumours....footage has now emerged ( looks like from a bedroom window) of the bike going past followed by a police van chasing them.( BBC 6pm news).
The police van must have radiod in that they were chasing the two ,so actually the rumours were founded
But not enough to justify a riot!"
My point was the police commissioner was lying through his teeth all day..unaware there was video footage..when challenged by reporters he walked away like David Cameron used to do |
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The police have always been told they can lie to diffuse situations (general accidents especially, even how an elderly neighbour died - eg saying it happened peacefully bed when it was on the kitchen floor).
I've never been a big fan of this approach tbh. It can too easily fuck up, and I just don't think it's healthy either. Especially now police are given so much discretion to *not* register crimes. Which is more than a lot of them want.
And it's just not a good look. A young police woman once told me "oh, everyone hates the police." and didn't think that approach was too clever either.
This part of Ely has been known for policing itself (people go to each other - or certain people - if they have problems) so the police likely have very little contact with a lot people here anyway. And that is not a good thing either imo - the police need to fit in more.
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