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Ok I know this is going to divide opinion.
But just watched the news story about the guy losing his shit at the slow walking in London.
Errrrmmmmm I know that many sympathise but I'm with him to a point.(not violence)
For me these are nothing more than professional anarchists who just jump from one cause to another.
Do they not work?
Causing huge traffic jams, adding to the problem surely?
But are they winning anyone over to their cause?
If they want the use of oil stopped at least come up with a realistic viable affordable alternative.
The planet has been in a state of constant change for for 4.543 billion years how do they know that the changes happening aren't supposed to be?
Humans is as much part of evolution as everything else
On earth and our impact good or bad might be just the natural order of things.
In approximately 5 billion years the sun is going to go boom anyway.
Between now and then chance's are a fuck load more changes are going to happen.
I'm not saying that we shouldn't be more responsible and be aware of our impact but these protests are just going about things the wrong way.
I don't know anyone who agrees with their actions.
I understand the cause but not the way they are going about it.
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It was the road blockades that got me, want the government and people using fossil fuels but in doing so cause them to use more being stuck in traffic burning the pollutents they hate so much and having to fill up prematurely from when they would have and keeping the cycle ever flowing 
I totally get their point there are other viable fuel sources that could be looked into by the government and the damage the planet is having done but honestly is there not another way about it or what suggestions do they have rather than annoying Joe public who are just trying to get on woth their day and put food on the table and a roof over their head
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over a year ago
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Any anger I have towards them I take and aim at the government who are refusing to stop all new licensing of oil.
Good for those people for trying to cause disruption to force change. Actually their protests are the reason I read further about their real cause.
Anyway, my feelings are that protest must disrupt. Some of the protests/ action that allow me to live relatively safely in this country were disruptive and probably a pain. But they worked. I hope the government commit to our children’s and their possible children’s futures. Even just by taking a first step.
When I get mad at these protesters I remember that they’re doing what needs to be done to force government to act. Perhaps unsurprisingly they won a fan in me. But the horrible people that constantly enact violence against these people piss me off and I hope they face the consequences of acting as if they are the violent enforcers of the law. |
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"Any anger I have towards them I take and aim at the government who are refusing to stop all new licensing of oil.
Good for those people for trying to cause disruption to force change. Actually their protests are the reason I read further about their real cause.
Anyway, my feelings are that protest must disrupt. Some of the protests/ action that allow me to live relatively safely in this country were disruptive and probably a pain. But they worked. I hope the government commit to our children’s and their possible children’s futures. Even just by taking a first step.
When I get mad at these protesters I remember that they’re doing what needs to be done to force government to act. Perhaps unsurprisingly they won a fan in me. But the horrible people that constantly enact violence against these people piss me off and I hope they face the consequences of acting as if they are the violent enforcers of the law. "
I also recognise that this comes from a place of privilege and security that allows me to be reasonably unaffected. And so I’m also understanding of why people don’t like them. Unless they’re violent. Then I think you are worse. |
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By *stellaWoman
over a year ago
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"Any anger I have towards them I take and aim at the government who are refusing to stop all new licensing of oil.
Good for those people for trying to cause disruption to force change. Actually their protests are the reason I read further about their real cause.
Anyway, my feelings are that protest must disrupt. Some of the protests/ action that allow me to live relatively safely in this country were disruptive and probably a pain. But they worked. I hope the government commit to our children’s and their possible children’s futures. Even just by taking a first step.
When I get mad at these protesters I remember that they’re doing what needs to be done to force government to act. Perhaps unsurprisingly they won a fan in me. But the horrible people that constantly enact violence against these people piss me off and I hope they face the consequences of acting as if they are the violent enforcers of the law. "
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over a year ago
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It's irrelevant if you agree or not.
The right to protest and to some degrees, the right to civil disobedience is the cornerstone of any Liberal democracy.
Start meddling with that and what do we become? |
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By *rder66Man
over a year ago
Tatooine |
When they stop the traffic and are all sitting or lying on the road, I wounder how many realise the road the are sitting on is made from bi product of crude oil. Some of the clothes they wea could be made from fossil fuels. |
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By *otryMan
over a year ago
On the road |
I'd love for them to be able to stop oil for 2 weeks. And see how hard it would be to survive at present with out it. These protesters would be begging for oil. It is used in every aspect of our lives. Not saying its right or good but personally global warming is a natural occurance. Like the last ice age. Like the heat waves it comes and ot goes long before we humans had to blame someone/something |
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By *4bimMan
over a year ago
Farnborough Hampshire |
The trouble is most of these protestors are hypocrites.
They use products daily which contain oil, plastics, and use iPads, laptops etc which are made by the poorest people in the world.
When they stop me going about me daily business I will intervene and remove them myself by force.
They have the right to protest, everyone does.
But as soon as you stop me from doing what I need to do we got a problem. |
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"I'd love for them to be able to stop oil for 2 weeks. And see how hard it would be to survive at present with out it. These protesters would be begging for oil. It is used in every aspect of our lives. Not saying its right or good but personally global warming is a natural occurance. Like the last ice age. Like the heat waves it comes and ot goes long before we humans had to blame someone/something"
Why is it that people use natural occurrence as argument for global warming?
If you had a bush fire and started pouring gasoline on it, is that a natural occurance as well? |
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"I'd love for them to be able to stop oil for 2 weeks. And see how hard it would be to survive at present with out it. These protesters would be begging for oil. It is used in every aspect of our lives. Not saying its right or good but personally global warming is a natural occurance. Like the last ice age. Like the heat waves it comes and ot goes long before we humans had to blame someone/something"
No more licensing of oil doesn’t mean we go without oil from tomorrow. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The planet has been in a state of constant change for for 4.543 billion years how do they know that the changes happening aren't supposed to be?
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I'm not commenting on the actual protesting here, but as a geologist, I can tell you that the changes we're seeing are absolutely not natural. Cycles of icehouse and greenhouse climates are expected and we have the geological record to refer to. But the acceleration brought about by human activity makes what we're experiencing very different.
You can disagree with protestors and their cause if you like, but the science is clear. |
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By *eFCUKaLotCouple
over a year ago
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The planet has been in a state of constant change for for 4.543 billion years how do they know that the changes happening aren't supposed to be?
I'm not commenting on the actual protesting here, but as a geologist, I can tell you that the changes we're seeing are absolutely not natural. Cycles of icehouse and greenhouse climates are expected and we have the geological record to refer to. But the acceleration brought about by human activity makes what we're experiencing very different.
You can disagree with protestors and their cause if you like, but the science is clear. "
So what do you suggest we do? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Can't see any sense in arguing against their cause.
As for how they choose to protest it makes me laugh that it's perfectly okay to close off roads for an old bloke to put a crown on his head, but it's not okay for the peasants to cause a much lesser inconvenience. |
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These are people with naive and simplistic ideas that oil can magically be dispensed with in a modern world. Completely delusional.
These people just want to feel important. They joined a cult.
Britain has made huge efforts to reduce carbon. We produce less than 2 percent of world greenhouse gases.
If Britain disappeared from the planet overnight, there would be a negligible reduction.
If these people are serious, they'd target China and the US, not the UK, which, if anything, they should be praising for being more than enthusiastic energy reducers. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Can't see any sense in arguing against their cause.
As for how they choose to protest it makes me laugh that it's perfectly okay to close off roads for an old bloke to put a crown on his head, but it's not okay for the peasants to cause a much lesser inconvenience.
Bit different, Londoners know weeks in advance that the roads were gonna be closed for the coronation and it was on a Saturday. You’re lucky from where you come from this shit doesn’t happen. "
Fair point. They just need to give advance notice. |
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The one who chained his neck to the goal at the Newcastle game didnt tie it tight enough sadly.
There just a bunch of online brainwashed saddos the lot of them.
Find me one who hasnt been in car bus, train, plane and used oil whilst fighting their cause...
I actually believe in doing your bit for the environment but this lot are loons. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Find me one who hasnt been in car bus, train, plane and used oil whilst fighting their cause...
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Are we supposed to await for the untarnished and only then will a protest be valid?
May take a while. |
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"Find me one who hasnt been in car bus, train, plane and used oil whilst fighting their cause...
Are we supposed to await for the untarnished and only then will a protest be valid?
May take a while."
Its ok they kept us updated via there social media posts on therr chinese made carbon neautral smart devices  |
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"Find me one who hasnt been in car bus, train, plane and used oil whilst fighting their cause...
Are we supposed to await for the untarnished and only then will a protest be valid?
May take a while.
Its ok they kept us updated via there social media posts on therr chinese made carbon neautral smart devices "
And then later, their Mummies turn up in Land Rover Discoveries to pick them up after the protest and take the protesters & their banners home. |
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A dog running around on a road causing closure is ok, queen or other politicians goings around with road closures is ok! A broken down lorry, car etc... Is ok..
We all should do our bit to reduce reliance on oil. We cannot point fingers at China or other manufacturing hub, as their percapita CO2 is way less compared to a few middle Eastern countries.
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"These are people with naive and simplistic ideas that oil can magically be dispensed with in a modern world. Completely delusional.
These people just want to feel important. They joined a cult.
Britain has made huge efforts to reduce carbon. We produce less than 2 percent of world greenhouse gases.
If Britain disappeared from the planet overnight, there would be a negligible reduction.
If these people are serious, they'd target China and the US, not the UK, which, if anything, they should be praising for being more than enthusiastic energy reducers."
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By *abonTedCouple
over a year ago
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What’s wrong with anarchy? This version of democracy is not so good. I thought that while I watched the coronation.
And yeah, someone said “freedom to protest” its ever so important as is the planet’s ability to sustain life.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"What’s wrong with anarchy? This version of democracy is not so good. I thought that while I watched the coronation.
And yeah, someone said “freedom to protest” its ever so important as is the planet’s ability to sustain life.
Love n peace People "
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By *nkyCplCouple
over a year ago
Northampton |
"Absolute idiots. Go and blockade oil refineries. Stopping people going about their business will win very few supporters. "
This! Bunch of self entitled, attention seeking (for themselves, not their cause), work shy, numpties! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Target China? Who is buying all the stuff that China produces? "
Also- target the British government because you’re British and live in Britain and the government won’t stop new licensing of oil. They signed new contracts recently. They’re not committed despite the evidence. |
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I am an absolute upholder of the right to oppose and protest … it’s democracy!
These lunatics however don’t protest … they disrupt - and there is a difference! If we talk about a right to protest … what about our right to go about our business unhindered! … clearly the rights of the majority who do go about their business are superseded by the minority who want to stop them.
It’s another indictment of the woke society we live in … I wait for the day when common sense returns!
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
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I think they are professional anarchists yes, I read about some living in trees for 18 months stopping a motorway being built then moved onto something else.
I guess they are similar to travellers or people living in communes in the bush of Australia , they reject a way of live that most people just accept as the only way - that you must work for companies 1/3 of your life and pay tax etc so that stuff we dint really need can be made and consumed to destroy the planet - and not challenge the system, other than vote.
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Yeah but...
If they protested in a way that didn't inconvenience anyone then they'd just get ignored.
As we've seen with the recent wave of strikes, the only way to make progress in this country is to cause havoc.
Also I think it reflects more poorly on motorists than the protesters. No one is more privileged, small minded and downright mean than a car driver who doesn't get what they want. |
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"What’s wrong with anarchy? This version of democracy is not so good."
Everything is wrong with anarchy. Civilization is a thin veneer over some ugly traits. Without that glue holding together things very rapidly fall apart and you end up with things like they were in the Former Yugoslavia where really unspeakable inhumanities occurred and were principally suffered by the poorest and most vulnerable.
Our version of democracy is probably as good as it gets. |
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"I think they are professional anarchists yes, I read about some living in trees for 18 months stopping a motorway being built then moved onto something else.
I guess they are similar to travellers or people living in communes in the bush of Australia , they reject a way of live that most people just accept as the only way - that you must work for companies 1/3 of your life and pay tax etc so that stuff we dint really need can be made and consumed to destroy the planet - and not challenge the system, other than vote.
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Agree with this.
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"I am an absolute upholder of the right to oppose and protest … it’s democracy!
These lunatics however don’t protest … they disrupt - and there is a difference! If we talk about a right to protest … what about our right to go about our business unhindered! … clearly the rights of the majority who do go about their business are superseded by the minority who want to stop them.
It’s another indictment of the woke society we live in … I wait for the day when common sense returns!
R xx"
Well said, exactly my thoughts.
What's the point in protesting and disrupting common folk who have no input regarding policy change.
Seems like a gesture designed to piss off people rather than get people on board for the cause in question.
As someone else said perhaps going to the countries that are really abusive oil usage and production and protest.
Oh wait they won't as they know those countries won't put up with this sort of shit and throw their asses in jail or worse.
Besides they can't travel to far because they have to be back for the gymkhana at mummy and daddies estate the weekend. |
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"It's irrelevant if you agree or not.
The right to protest and to some degrees, the right to civil disobedience is the cornerstone of any Liberal democracy.
Start meddling with that and what do we become?"
Not irrelevant if their protest effects you and your daily life, we need control on how you protest but never to stop protest.
These people have decided to cynically attack the public by their actions which is beyond protest as they are using the public to attempt change political view. This is at best cohersion & at worst blickmail.
Not allowed the correct spelling for blickmail, sites nuts! |
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over a year ago
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What's the point in protesting and disrupting common folk who have no input regarding policy change"
The same people who've been voting for these fuckwits for over a decade?
Dunno... |
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What's the point in protesting and disrupting common folk who have no input regarding policy change
The same people who've been voting for these fuckwits for over a decade?
Dunno..."
Not that there is a viable alternative, Starmer or Sunak is equal to Trump or Biden. All an embarrassment to politics today.
Labour will always carry the stigma of Blair & Conservatives of Thatcher. Lib/dums Clegg.
Going to difficult to vote at the next election & many local elections saw 30% turnout which just gets ignored as voter apathy is immense but its only about winning power. |
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What's the point in protesting and disrupting common folk who have no input regarding policy change
The same people who've been voting for these fuckwits for over a decade?
Dunno...
Not that there is a viable alternative, Starmer or Sunak is equal to Trump or Biden. All an embarrassment to politics today.
Labour will always carry the stigma of Blair & Conservatives of Thatcher. Lib/dums Clegg.
Going to difficult to vote at the next election & many local elections saw 30% turnout which just gets ignored as voter apathy is immense but its only about winning power."
Yeah true.
If people at least stop voting Tory that would be a start though.
As for for who to vote for... that'll be challenging although possibly I think a (non Tory) coalition would be a good thing. Or at least progress towards it. |
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What's the point in protesting and disrupting common folk who have no input regarding policy change
The same people who've been voting for these fuckwits for over a decade?
Dunno..."
You mean like most of the protesters and their parents.
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By *aekaeWoman
over a year ago
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"Yeah but...
If they protested in a way that didn't inconvenience anyone then they'd just get ignored.
As we've seen with the recent wave of strikes, the only way to make progress in this country is to cause havoc.
Also I think it reflects more poorly on motorists than the protesters.
No one is more privileged, small minded and downright mean than a protestor who doesn't get what they want."
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By (user no longer on site)
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What's the point in protesting and disrupting common folk who have no input regarding policy change
The same people who've been voting for these fuckwits for over a decade?
Dunno...
You mean like most of the protesters and their parents.
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You think they vote Tory?
Not really the point anyway. The suggestions about throwing people into prison for expressing differing views is scary. And yet exactly the direction of travel at the mo in this country.
Find it bizarre that people are okay with it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's irrelevant if you agree or not.
The right to protest and to some degrees, the right to civil disobedience is the cornerstone of any Liberal democracy.
Start meddling with that and what do we become?
Not irrelevant if their protest effects you and your daily life, we need control on how you protest but never to stop protest.
These people have decided to cynically attack the public by their actions which is beyond protest as they are using the public to attempt change political view. This is at best cohersion & at worst blickmail.
Not allowed the correct spelling for blickmail, sites nuts!"
I often wonder how profit can come before our security, there are countries that couldn't possibly at this time change to another source of power as their economy is based on oil production. So they will keep polluting our planet until WE say something about it, save our children maybe as well as our planet.
Seeing theses protesters hasn't bothered me I have not been affected, there has been no floods in my area, ho wait there has, also wildfires and I couldn't really go out during the heatwave last year for fear of melting.
There is more on the way and other areas of our planet have heat of 40 degrees regularly.
Support these protesters as they fear for our future, whilst we are driven to destroy our future by doing as we are told.
I am just as guilty, and with these new protest laws I am now to afraid to protest in the future when it becomes clear that our government care more for profit than our security. |
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I and many others don’t agree with how they’re going about it but same was probably said about the suffragettes. I don’t think many would disagree with what they achieved. |
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By *nkyCplCouple
over a year ago
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"It's irrelevant if you agree or not.
The right to protest and to some degrees, the right to civil disobedience is the cornerstone of any Liberal democracy.
Start meddling with that and what do we become?
Not irrelevant if their protest effects you and your daily life, we need control on how you protest but never to stop protest.
These people have decided to cynically attack the public by their actions which is beyond protest as they are using the public to attempt change political view. This is at best cohersion & at worst blickmail.
Not allowed the correct spelling for blickmail, sites nuts!
I often wonder how profit can come before our security, there are countries that couldn't possibly at this time change to another source of power as their economy is based on oil production. So they will keep polluting our planet until WE say something about it, save our children maybe as well as our planet.
Seeing theses protesters hasn't bothered me I have not been affected, there has been no floods in my area, ho wait there has, also wildfires and I couldn't really go out during the heatwave last year for fear of melting.
There is more on the way and other areas of our planet have heat of 40 degrees regularly.
Support these protesters as they fear for our future, whilst we are driven to destroy our future by doing as we are told.
I am just as guilty, and with these new protest laws I am now to afraid to protest in the future when it becomes clear that our government care more for profit than our security."
“Seeing theses protesters hasn't bothered me I have not been affected”.
This says it all.
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By *nkyCplCouple
over a year ago
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"I and many others don’t agree with how they’re going about it but same was probably said about the suffragettes. I don’t think many would disagree with what they achieved."
Comparing these muppets to the suffragettes is laughable. |
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What's the point in protesting and disrupting common folk who have no input regarding policy change
The same people who've been voting for these fuckwits for over a decade?
Dunno...
Not that there is a viable alternative, Starmer or Sunak is equal to Trump or Biden. All an embarrassment to politics today.
Labour will always carry the stigma of Blair & Conservatives of Thatcher. Lib/dums Clegg.
Going to difficult to vote at the next election & many local elections saw 30% turnout which just gets ignored as voter apathy is immense but its only about winning power.
Yeah true.
If people at least stop voting Tory that would be a start though.
As for for who to vote for... that'll be challenging although possibly I think a (non Tory) coalition would be a good thing. Or at least progress towards it."
Stop the Tories...
That'll solve the worlds problems 
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It's irrelevant if you agree or not.
The right to protest and to some degrees, the right to civil disobedience is the cornerstone of any Liberal democracy.
Start meddling with that and what do we become?
Not irrelevant if their protest effects you and your daily life, we need control on how you protest but never to stop protest.
These people have decided to cynically attack the public by their actions which is beyond protest as they are using the public to attempt change political view. This is at best cohersion & at worst blickmail.
Not allowed the correct spelling for blickmail, sites nuts!
I often wonder how profit can come before our security, there are countries that couldn't possibly at this time change to another source of power as their economy is based on oil production. So they will keep polluting our planet until WE say something about it, save our children maybe as well as our planet.
Seeing theses protesters hasn't bothered me I have not been affected, there has been no floods in my area, ho wait there has, also wildfires and I couldn't really go out during the heatwave last year for fear of melting.
There is more on the way and other areas of our planet have heat of 40 degrees regularly.
Support these protesters as they fear for our future, whilst we are driven to destroy our future by doing as we are told.
I am just as guilty, and with these new protest laws I am now to afraid to protest in the future when it becomes clear that our government care more for profit than our security.
“Seeing theses protesters hasn't bothered me I have not been affected”.
This says it all.
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Seeing theses protesters hasn't bothered me I have not been affected, there has been no floods in my area, ho wait there has, also wildfires and I couldn't really go out during the heatwave last year for fear of melting.
Please do not cherry pick my post to make an untrue conclusion that above is the part you refer to but I have put the whole sentence, not just a part to judge me on.
learn to read properly please.
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By *J2304Man
over a year ago
DAGENHAM |
Also I can't speak for each individual but some are actually being paid to protest so do they even believe in the cause or is this just a payday.... like a physical version of cold calling to piss people off. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I and many others don’t agree with how they’re going about it but same was probably said about the suffragettes. I don’t think many would disagree with what they achieved.
Comparing these muppets to the suffragettes is laughable."
How so? |
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I’m of the opinion that within the Uk we should do things to make us greener but in the long run will this help the world ? No !
We used to take on all of Europe’s ideas and everyone would let us run with it until it failed then they would come up with another new way of doing things and we’d step in again?
We’ve spent billions on other’s ideas of how things should happen and worked to tight time frames !
So why pressure people into going green by a certain date ? Isn’t it everyone’s right to choose or at least have a choice ? |
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By *nkyCplCouple
over a year ago
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"It's irrelevant if you agree or not.
The right to protest and to some degrees, the right to civil disobedience is the cornerstone of any Liberal democracy.
Start meddling with that and what do we become?
Not irrelevant if their protest effects you and your daily life, we need control on how you protest but never to stop protest.
These people have decided to cynically attack the public by their actions which is beyond protest as they are using the public to attempt change political view. This is at best cohersion & at worst blickmail.
Not allowed the correct spelling for blickmail, sites nuts!
I often wonder how profit can come before our security, there are countries that couldn't possibly at this time change to another source of power as their economy is based on oil production. So they will keep polluting our planet until WE say something about it, save our children maybe as well as our planet.
Seeing theses protesters hasn't bothered me I have not been affected, there has been no floods in my area, ho wait there has, also wildfires and I couldn't really go out during the heatwave last year for fear of melting.
There is more on the way and other areas of our planet have heat of 40 degrees regularly.
Support these protesters as they fear for our future, whilst we are driven to destroy our future by doing as we are told.
I am just as guilty, and with these new protest laws I am now to afraid to protest in the future when it becomes clear that our government care more for profit than our security.
“Seeing theses protesters hasn't bothered me I have not been affected”.
This says it all.
Seeing theses protesters hasn't bothered me I have not been affected, there has been no floods in my area, ho wait there has, also wildfires and I couldn't really go out during the heatwave last year for fear of melting.
Please do not cherry pick my post to make an untrue conclusion that above is the part you refer to but I have put the whole sentence, not just a part to judge me on.
learn to read properly please.
says it all "
I have read it all, I’ve picked out the selfish part is all.
Learn to have compassion for everyone besides yourself please.
Says it all. |
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By *nkyCplCouple
over a year ago
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"I and many others don’t agree with how they’re going about it but same was probably said about the suffragettes. I don’t think many would disagree with what they achieved.
Comparing these muppets to the suffragettes is laughable.
How so?"
Is too big a comparison to really get into here, but the suffragettes were fighting for something that needed immediate change in this country, that would directly impact this country.
The whole Just Stop Oil movement is illogical imo and isn’t even being directed at the main offenders. I like the way Konstantin Kishin explains it. Worth a watch.
Won’t be going back & forth with you on this one I’m afraid. |
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"It's irrelevant if you agree or not.
The right to protest and to some degrees, the right to civil disobedience is the cornerstone of any Liberal democracy.
Start meddling with that and what do we become?
Not irrelevant if their protest effects you and your daily life, we need control on how you protest but never to stop protest.
These people have decided to cynically attack the public by their actions which is beyond protest as they are using the public to attempt change political view. This is at best cohersion & at worst blickmail.
Not allowed the correct spelling for blickmail, sites nuts!
I often wonder how profit can come before our security, there are countries that couldn't possibly at this time change to another source of power as their economy is based on oil production. So they will keep polluting our planet until WE say something about it, save our children maybe as well as our planet.
Seeing theses protesters hasn't bothered me I have not been affected, there has been no floods in my area, ho wait there has, also wildfires and I couldn't really go out during the heatwave last year for fear of melting.
There is more on the way and other areas of our planet have heat of 40 degrees regularly.
Support these protesters as they fear for our future, whilst we are driven to destroy our future by doing as we are told.
I am just as guilty, and with these new protest laws I am now to afraid to protest in the future when it becomes clear that our government care more for profit than our security.
“Seeing theses protesters hasn't bothered me I have not been affected”.
This says it all.
Seeing theses protesters hasn't bothered me I have not been affected, there has been no floods in my area, ho wait there has, also wildfires and I couldn't really go out during the heatwave last year for fear of melting.
Please do not cherry pick my post to make an untrue conclusion that above is the part you refer to but I have put the whole sentence, not just a part to judge me on.
learn to read properly please.
says it all
I have read it all, I’ve picked out the selfish part is all.
Learn to have compassion for everyone besides yourself please.
Says it all. "
You haven't read and understood I am afraid
My compassion is about my siblings and other humans not born yet to have a chance of living, being selfish is to continue to do things we know is killing our planet without a thought for the future.
Says it all |
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"I and many others don’t agree with how they’re going about it but same was probably said about the suffragettes. I don’t think many would disagree with what they achieved.
Comparing these muppets to the suffragettes is laughable.
How so?
Is too big a comparison to really get into here, but the suffragettes were fighting for something that needed immediate change in this country, that would directly impact this country.
The whole Just Stop Oil movement is illogical imo and isn’t even being directed at the main offenders. I like the way Konstantin Kishin explains it. Worth a watch.
Won’t be going back & forth with you on this one I’m afraid. "
I wasn’t looking for a back and forth. They’re both protesting causes they believe in and both going about it in ways that the public disagree with. That was my comparison. The end result remains to be seen with Just Stop Oil. |
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Some valid, and some not so valid points raised. Like it or not the UK, and the world cannot turn off fossil fuel usage overnight. And let's not pretend that everyone buying EVs is the answer because it isn't. Moving from your perfectly usable ICE powered car that has already been built, causing carbon usage into a new to be built EV, which will generate more carbons to be built is accelerating the problem. And long term usage of EVs is only slowing not erradicating carbons.
Years of over consumption of consumer goods by an increasing population is the issue. If we all reduce our carbon footprint by 50%, but the global population keeps increasing then carbon generation will still increase. And its not only carbon, there are other more dangerous greenhouse gasses that no one really talks about.
The sad thing is, it's the current 'I must have it' generation that may be the loudest protesters, but are also the hungriest consumers of 'stuff'.
I wonder how much carbon is generated running all the data centres that store all the banal pointless drivel that fills social media and becomes even more addictive to each generation?
Forget getting an EV, just force the shut down of Facebook, tiktok, Instagram etc....... |
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"I and many others don’t agree with how they’re going about it but same was probably said about the suffragettes. I don’t think many would disagree with what they achieved.
Comparing these muppets to the suffragettes is laughable.
How so?
Is too big a comparison to really get into here, but the suffragettes were fighting for something that needed immediate change in this country, that would directly impact this country.
The whole Just Stop Oil movement is illogical imo and isn’t even being directed at the main offenders. I like the way Konstantin Kishin explains it. Worth a watch.
Won’t be going back & forth with you on this one I’m afraid. "
The main offenders back then were horses?
Emily Davison was quite similar to how many above have described modern protestors. |
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By *nkyCplCouple
over a year ago
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"It's irrelevant if you agree or not.
The right to protest and to some degrees, the right to civil disobedience is the cornerstone of any Liberal democracy.
Start meddling with that and what do we become?
Not irrelevant if their protest effects you and your daily life, we need control on how you protest but never to stop protest.
These people have decided to cynically attack the public by their actions which is beyond protest as they are using the public to attempt change political view. This is at best cohersion & at worst blickmail.
Not allowed the correct spelling for blickmail, sites nuts!
I often wonder how profit can come before our security, there are countries that couldn't possibly at this time change to another source of power as their economy is based on oil production. So they will keep polluting our planet until WE say something about it, save our children maybe as well as our planet.
Seeing theses protesters hasn't bothered me I have not been affected, there has been no floods in my area, ho wait there has, also wildfires and I couldn't really go out during the heatwave last year for fear of melting.
There is more on the way and other areas of our planet have heat of 40 degrees regularly.
Support these protesters as they fear for our future, whilst we are driven to destroy our future by doing as we are told.
I am just as guilty, and with these new protest laws I am now to afraid to protest in the future when it becomes clear that our government care more for profit than our security.
“Seeing theses protesters hasn't bothered me I have not been affected”.
This says it all.
Seeing theses protesters hasn't bothered me I have not been affected, there has been no floods in my area, ho wait there has, also wildfires and I couldn't really go out during the heatwave last year for fear of melting.
Please do not cherry pick my post to make an untrue conclusion that above is the part you refer to but I have put the whole sentence, not just a part to judge me on.
learn to read properly please.
says it all
I have read it all, I’ve picked out the selfish part is all.
Learn to have compassion for everyone besides yourself please.
Says it all.
You haven't read and understood I am afraid
My compassion is about my siblings and other humans not born yet to have a chance of living, being selfish is to continue to do things we know is killing our planet without a thought for the future.
Says it all "
I’ve read it, but you’re right about not understanding.
You don’t care about the disruption it’s causing to everyone else because it’s not affecting you. Screw people that can’t get to work, to see their loved ones, to hospital etc…
Most definitely says it all. |
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I guess if you don't bring attention and some inconvenience why would sheeple change their comfortable life? I think all of us, me included, are probably good at the talk but not so good at the environmental walk.. And so many people just don't care or give a shit - we are a very comfortable and selfish species.
What really puzzles me is why parents especially aren't doing more to make the future world their kids will grow up in more sustainable |
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"I guess if you don't bring attention and some inconvenience why would sheeple change their comfortable life? I think all of us, me included, are probably good at the talk but not so good at the environmental walk.. And so many people just don't care or give a shit - we are a very comfortable and selfish species.
What really puzzles me is why parents especially aren't doing more to make the future world their kids will grow up in more sustainable "
Don't you feel that you lose the point you're trying to make when you call people names? |
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over a year ago
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"Can't see any sense in arguing against their cause.
As for how they choose to protest it makes me laugh that it's perfectly okay to close off roads for an old bloke to put a crown on his head, but it's not okay for the peasants to cause a much lesser inconvenience."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I guess if you don't bring attention and some inconvenience why would sheeple change their comfortable life? I think all of us, me included, are probably good at the talk but not so good at the environmental walk.. And so many people just don't care or give a shit - we are a very comfortable and selfish species.
What really puzzles me is why parents especially aren't doing more to make the future world their kids will grow up in more sustainable "
I expect many think they are.
Evidently a few above believe we're holier than thou (while we send ships loaded with our shit to be dealt with elsewhere). |
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"It's irrelevant if you agree or not.
The right to protest and to some degrees, the right to civil disobedience is the cornerstone of any Liberal democracy.
Start meddling with that and what do we become?
Not irrelevant if their protest effects you and your daily life, we need control on how you protest but never to stop protest.
These people have decided to cynically attack the public by their actions which is beyond protest as they are using the public to attempt change political view. This is at best cohersion & at worst blickmail.
Not allowed the correct spelling for blickmail, sites nuts!
I often wonder how profit can come before our security, there are countries that couldn't possibly at this time change to another source of power as their economy is based on oil production. So they will keep polluting our planet until WE say something about it, save our children maybe as well as our planet.
Seeing theses protesters hasn't bothered me I have not been affected, there has been no floods in my area, ho wait there has, also wildfires and I couldn't really go out during the heatwave last year for fear of melting.
There is more on the way and other areas of our planet have heat of 40 degrees regularly.
Support these protesters as they fear for our future, whilst we are driven to destroy our future by doing as we are told.
I am just as guilty, and with these new protest laws I am now to afraid to protest in the future when it becomes clear that our government care more for profit than our security.
“Seeing theses protesters hasn't bothered me I have not been affected”.
This says it all.
Seeing theses protesters hasn't bothered me I have not been affected, there has been no floods in my area, ho wait there has, also wildfires and I couldn't really go out during the heatwave last year for fear of melting.
Please do not cherry pick my post to make an untrue conclusion that above is the part you refer to but I have put the whole sentence, not just a part to judge me on.
learn to read properly please.
says it all
I have read it all, I’ve picked out the selfish part is all.
Learn to have compassion for everyone besides yourself please.
Says it all.
You haven't read and understood I am afraid
My compassion is about my siblings and other humans not born yet to have a chance of living, being selfish is to continue to do things we know is killing our planet without a thought for the future.
Says it all
I’ve read it, but you’re right about not understanding.
You don’t care about the disruption it’s causing to everyone else because it’s not affecting you. Screw people that can’t get to work, to see their loved ones, to hospital etc…
Most definitely says it all. "
It may well affect me one day, whoknkows what I do know is that oil usage is killing us all and I would rather be disrupted today so my siblings and other hxmanbeings can live free of world, life changing events that have already occurred tomorrow.
I think it is selfish to carry on regardless. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The same people who've been voting for these fuckwits for over a decade?
Dunno...
You mean like most of the protesters and their parents.
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I have absolutely no evidence for this, but that doesn't seem to have stopped others from voicing their opinions against protestors, so here goes...
My guess is that many Just Stop Oil protestors haven't been voting Tory for over a decade. Just a hunch |
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By *nkyCplCouple
over a year ago
Northampton |
"It's irrelevant if you agree or not.
The right to protest and to some degrees, the right to civil disobedience is the cornerstone of any Liberal democracy.
Start meddling with that and what do we become?
Not irrelevant if their protest effects you and your daily life, we need control on how you protest but never to stop protest.
These people have decided to cynically attack the public by their actions which is beyond protest as they are using the public to attempt change political view. This is at best cohersion & at worst blickmail.
Not allowed the correct spelling for blickmail, sites nuts!
I often wonder how profit can come before our security, there are countries that couldn't possibly at this time change to another source of power as their economy is based on oil production. So they will keep polluting our planet until WE say something about it, save our children maybe as well as our planet.
Seeing theses protesters hasn't bothered me I have not been affected, there has been no floods in my area, ho wait there has, also wildfires and I couldn't really go out during the heatwave last year for fear of melting.
There is more on the way and other areas of our planet have heat of 40 degrees regularly.
Support these protesters as they fear for our future, whilst we are driven to destroy our future by doing as we are told.
I am just as guilty, and with these new protest laws I am now to afraid to protest in the future when it becomes clear that our government care more for profit than our security.
“Seeing theses protesters hasn't bothered me I have not been affected”.
This says it all.
Seeing theses protesters hasn't bothered me I have not been affected, there has been no floods in my area, ho wait there has, also wildfires and I couldn't really go out during the heatwave last year for fear of melting.
Please do not cherry pick my post to make an untrue conclusion that above is the part you refer to but I have put the whole sentence, not just a part to judge me on.
learn to read properly please.
says it all
I have read it all, I’ve picked out the selfish part is all.
Learn to have compassion for everyone besides yourself please.
Says it all.
You haven't read and understood I am afraid
My compassion is about my siblings and other humans not born yet to have a chance of living, being selfish is to continue to do things we know is killing our planet without a thought for the future.
Says it all
I’ve read it, but you’re right about not understanding.
You don’t care about the disruption it’s causing to everyone else because it’s not affecting you. Screw people that can’t get to work, to see their loved ones, to hospital etc…
Most definitely says it all.
It may well affect me one day, whoknkows what I do know is that oil usage is killing us all and I would rather be disrupted today so my siblings and other hxmanbeings can live free of world, life changing events that have already occurred tomorrow.
I think it is selfish to carry on regardless."
Oil use isn’t adversely affecting me currently, so screw everyone else…..that’s the same flawed logic as your argument.
At least be logically consistent. |
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"It's irrelevant if you agree or not.
The right to protest and to some degrees, the right to civil disobedience is the cornerstone of any Liberal democracy.
Start meddling with that and what do we become?
Not irrelevant if their protest effects you and your daily life, we need control on how you protest but never to stop protest.
These people have decided to cynically attack the public by their actions which is beyond protest as they are using the public to attempt change political view. This is at best cohersion & at worst blickmail.
Not allowed the correct spelling for blickmail, sites nuts!
I often wonder how profit can come before our security, there are countries that couldn't possibly at this time change to another source of power as their economy is based on oil production. So they will keep polluting our planet until WE say something about it, save our children maybe as well as our planet.
Seeing theses protesters hasn't bothered me I have not been affected, there has been no floods in my area, ho wait there has, also wildfires and I couldn't really go out during the heatwave last year for fear of melting.
There is more on the way and other areas of our planet have heat of 40 degrees regularly.
Support these protesters as they fear for our future, whilst we are driven to destroy our future by doing as we are told.
I am just as guilty, and with these new protest laws I am now to afraid to protest in the future when it becomes clear that our government care more for profit than our security.
“Seeing theses protesters hasn't bothered me I have not been affected”.
This says it all.
Seeing theses protesters hasn't bothered me I have not been affected, there has been no floods in my area, ho wait there has, also wildfires and I couldn't really go out during the heatwave last year for fear of melting.
Please do not cherry pick my post to make an untrue conclusion that above is the part you refer to but I have put the whole sentence, not just a part to judge me on.
learn to read properly please.
says it all
I have read it all, I’ve picked out the selfish part is all.
Learn to have compassion for everyone besides yourself please.
Says it all.
You haven't read and understood I am afraid
My compassion is about my siblings and other humans not born yet to have a chance of living, being selfish is to continue to do things we know is killing our planet without a thought for the future.
Says it all
I’ve read it, but you’re right about not understanding.
You don’t care about the disruption it’s causing to everyone else because it’s not affecting you. Screw people that can’t get to work, to see their loved ones, to hospital etc…
Most definitely says it all.
It may well affect me one day, whoknkows what I do know is that oil usage is killing us all and I would rather be disrupted today so my siblings and other hxmanbeings can live free of world, life changing events that have already occurred tomorrow.
I think it is selfish to carry on regardless.
Oil use isn’t adversely affecting me currently, so screw everyone else…..that’s the same flawed logic as your argument.
At least be logically consistent. "
Like your last interaction, we shall agree to disagree. |
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"I and many others don’t agree with how they’re going about it but same was probably said about the suffragettes. I don’t think many would disagree with what they achieved.
Comparing these muppets to the suffragettes is laughable."
Votes for women was a hugely important victory. I absolutely agree with that, but in what possible way could the survival of the planet be seen a less important? |
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By *nkyCplCouple
over a year ago
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"I and many others don’t agree with how they’re going about it but same was probably said about the suffragettes. I don’t think many would disagree with what they achieved.
Comparing these muppets to the suffragettes is laughable.
Votes for women was a hugely important victory. I absolutely agree with that, but in what possible way could the survival of the planet be seen a less important?"
Quite the leap. Having read your replies in here we’re never going to make any headway having a debate, and tbh I just can’t be arsed right now. Possibly later when I’m less hungover.  |
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I am a farmer producing food for your tables, and although I agree we should use less fossil fuels. There is no alternative to diesel to run our tractors, although there is moves afoot to design, electric tractors very few livestock farms have three-phase electric and we would need rapid charging to keep the crops coming in. We are already suffering a hike in red diesel price. This doesn’t make us more efficient just put the price of what we produce up and a cost passed on to your supermarket bill. If you are interested in food from our own farms, love to chat and pass on what I know. |
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Wouldn’t the protesters get more publicity if they went to one of the big carbon foot print countries?
Instead of our little island ?
Also how do these protesters get to where they are protesting? You don’t ever see electric vehicles parked near bikes or when they are near motorways push bikes padlocked on the bridges if they’re nearby ?
They are totally alienating themselves from the people they are trying to get on side ? |
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By *nkyCplCouple
over a year ago
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"I am a farmer producing food for your tables, and although I agree we should use less fossil fuels. There is no alternative to diesel to run our tractors, although there is moves afoot to design, electric tractors very few livestock farms have three-phase electric and we would need rapid charging to keep the crops coming in. We are already suffering a hike in red diesel price. This doesn’t make us more efficient just put the price of what we produce up and a cost passed on to your supermarket bill. If you are interested in food from our own farms, love to chat and pass on what I know."
Can’t imagine the amount of graft you guys put in only to see the small amount of profit you already make getting cut further.  |
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"Like your last interaction, we shall agree to disagree.
That I can do. Always good when two opppsing views can just say “well fuck it! We tried, but let’s just leave it.”  "
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"Wouldn’t the protesters get more publicity if they went to one of the big carbon foot print countries?
Instead of our little island ?
Also how do these protesters get to where they are protesting? You don’t ever see electric vehicles parked near bikes or when they are near motorways push bikes padlocked on the bridges if they’re nearby ?
They are totally alienating themselves from the people they are trying to get on side ? "
Our 'little island'.
67 million people with double the carbon footprint to the average in the world.
To say nothing of our historical impact.
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"What people don't see, or don't understand is that often us going green here, simply moves the carbon generation elsewhere. So actually, it does no good at all. "
Fair point.
What do you suggest we do instead? |
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By *rder66Man
over a year ago
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"I wouldn't worry too much, once we go extict the world with carry on just fine.
It would have been. But then we invented AI."
The I wouldn't worry too much about oil and the planet, we will be too busy serving our new overlords the AI until they no longer need us. |
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"What people don't see, or don't understand is that often us going green here, simply moves the carbon generation elsewhere. So actually, it does no good at all.
Fair point.
What do you suggest we do instead?"
The problem is it takes everyone, and more money than the world has!
Immediately stop use of all coal fired power, globally.
Immediately stop deforestation
Immediately start a build program of nuclear and sustainable power generation.
Cull the global population.
The last point is really the only true effective answer. People consume 'stuff'. And no matter what recycling and reuse policy you have, if population keeps increasing, consumption will increase. And its the production of 'stuff' that generates carbon and other negative global impacts- over farming of land, pollution of rivers and sees, water shortages.....
And just for the record, I am a normal bloke, not a massive reactionary or political activist or protestor.
But think about it. Are we going to be ok if the population doubles, but we all drive Teslas? |
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"What people don't see, or don't understand is that often us going green here, simply moves the carbon generation elsewhere. So actually, it does no good at all.
Fair point.
What do you suggest we do instead?
The problem is it takes everyone, and more money than the world has!
Immediately stop use of all coal fired power, globally.
Immediately stop deforestation
Immediately start a build program of nuclear and sustainable power generation.
Cull the global population.
The last point is really the only true effective answer. People consume 'stuff'. And no matter what recycling and reuse policy you have, if population keeps increasing, consumption will increase. And its the production of 'stuff' that generates carbon and other negative global impacts- over farming of land, pollution of rivers and sees, water shortages.....
And just for the record, I am a normal bloke, not a massive reactionary or political activist or protestor.
But think about it. Are we going to be ok if the population doubles, but we all drive Teslas? "
I think I'm normal too. But then I read the comments by other 'normal' people...
I think we can help the world continue to be habitable for humans with technological developments and behavior change. Probably depending more on the former.
Even if we couldn't I don't see any benefit to continuing to fuck the place up. |
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"What people don't see, or don't understand is that often us going green here, simply moves the carbon generation elsewhere. So actually, it does no good at all.
Fair point.
What do you suggest we do instead?
The problem is it takes everyone, and more money than the world has!
Immediately stop use of all coal fired power, globally.
Immediately stop deforestation
Immediately start a build program of nuclear and sustainable power generation.
Cull the global population.
The last point is really the only true effective answer. People consume 'stuff'. And no matter what recycling and reuse policy you have, if population keeps increasing, consumption will increase. And its the production of 'stuff' that generates carbon and other negative global impacts- over farming of land, pollution of rivers and sees, water shortages.....
And just for the record, I am a normal bloke, not a massive reactionary or political activist or protestor.
But think about it. Are we going to be ok if the population doubles, but we all drive Teslas? "
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