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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429 Should we cut off his dick so he can't do this again? Maybe face a firing squad or hanging? What should we do with people like this?" Lock it up and throw away the key | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429 Should we cut off his dick so he can't do this again? Maybe face a firing squad or hanging? What should we do with people like this?" Prison for life. Actual life. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429 Should we cut off his dick so he can't do this again? Maybe face a firing squad or hanging? What should we do with people like this?" Try them in a court of law, then punish them according to the law. Bit hypocritical if we rant about about how barbaric and medieval the likes of ISIS are if we decide that the type of punishments we criticise them for using are ok when we want to use them. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429 Should we cut off his dick so he can't do this again? Maybe face a firing squad or hanging? What should we do with people like this?" That does not deserve death. That deserves to be kept in a limbo of pain, chop it's dick off and stuff it up it's arse and leave it to rot | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429 Should we cut off his dick so he can't do this again? Maybe face a firing squad or hanging? What should we do with people like this? Try them in a court of law, then punish them according to the law. Bit hypocritical if we rant about about how barbaric and medieval the likes of ISIS are if we decide that the type of punishments we criticise them for using are ok when we want to use them. " One could argue that ISIS target the innocent tho | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429 Should we cut off his dick so he can't do this again? Maybe face a firing squad or hanging? What should we do with people like this? Try them in a court of law, then punish them according to the law. Bit hypocritical if we rant about about how barbaric and medieval the likes of ISIS are if we decide that the type of punishments we criticise them for using are ok when we want to use them. One could argue that ISIS target people we would consider innocent tho " FTFY | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429 Should we cut off his dick so he can't do this again? Maybe face a firing squad or hanging? What should we do with people like this? Try them in a court of law, then punish them according to the law. Bit hypocritical if we rant about about how barbaric and medieval the likes of ISIS are if we decide that the type of punishments we criticise them for using are ok when we want to use them. " The bible says an eye for an eye, would male sexual assault in prison be suitable? | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429 Should we cut off his dick so he can't do this again? Maybe face a firing squad or hanging? What should we do with people like this? Prison for life. Actual life. " Why should we waste tax payers money? | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429 Should we cut off his dick so he can't do this again? Maybe face a firing squad or hanging? What should we do with people like this? Prison for life. Actual life. Why should we waste tax payers money?" Is it a waste? It’s keeping a dangerous person away from society. What price can you put on that? | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429 Should we cut off his dick so he can't do this again? Maybe face a firing squad or hanging? What should we do with people like this? Try them in a court of law, then punish them according to the law. Bit hypocritical if we rant about about how barbaric and medieval the likes of ISIS are if we decide that the type of punishments we criticise them for using are ok when we want to use them. " Fairly normal people can quickly turn barbaric given the chance , whether it’s joining ISIS, a war or forumites ready to torture criminals. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429 Should we cut off his dick so he can't do this again? Maybe face a firing squad or hanging? What should we do with people like this? Try them in a court of law, then punish them according to the law. Bit hypocritical if we rant about about how barbaric and medieval the likes of ISIS are if we decide that the type of punishments we criticise them for using are ok when we want to use them. One could argue that ISIS target people we would consider innocent tho FTFY " Fair one  | |||
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"Bring back hanging for all child killers and murders,a life for a life ..and if given life you do life not out after 20 years ..." I can live with this. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429 Should we cut off his dick so he can't do this again? Maybe face a firing squad or hanging? What should we do with people like this? Prison for life. Actual life. Why should we waste tax payers money? Is it a waste? It’s keeping a dangerous person away from society. What price can you put on that?" A bullet would be much cheaper. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429 Should we cut off his dick so he can't do this again? Maybe face a firing squad or hanging? What should we do with people like this? Prison for life. Actual life. Why should we waste tax payers money? Is it a waste? It’s keeping a dangerous person away from society. What price can you put on that?" £46,696 a year if Google is to be believed | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429 Should we cut off his dick so he can't do this again? Maybe face a firing squad or hanging? What should we do with people like this? Prison for life. Actual life. Why should we waste tax payers money? Is it a waste? It’s keeping a dangerous person away from society. What price can you put on that? £46,696 a year if Google is to be believed" Depends on which part of the country. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have that expenditure in return for teenage girls not being assaulted | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429 Should we cut off his dick so he can't do this again? Maybe face a firing squad or hanging? What should we do with people like this? Prison for life. Actual life. Why should we waste tax payers money? Is it a waste? It’s keeping a dangerous person away from society. What price can you put on that? £46,696 a year if Google is to be believed" That's a lot of money just to house a pedo. | |||
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"Rip Foucault. You would’ve loved this thread x" He’s in his panopticon in heaven  | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429 Should we cut off his dick so he can't do this again? Maybe face a firing squad or hanging? What should we do with people like this? Prison for life. Actual life. Why should we waste tax payers money? Is it a waste? It’s keeping a dangerous person away from society. What price can you put on that? £46,696 a year if Google is to be believed Depends on which part of the country. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have that expenditure in return for teenage girls not being assaulted " Or anyone for that matter, but the death penalty would be a lot cheaper and once dead these people can't hurt anyone ever again. | |||
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"Rip Foucault. You would’ve loved this thread x He’s in his panopticon in heaven "I understood that reference  | |||
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"Rip Foucault. You would’ve loved this thread x He’s in his panopticon in heaven "Punishment part 2 would’ve been a great book . | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429 Should we cut off his dick so he can't do this again? Maybe face a firing squad or hanging? What should we do with people like this? Prison for life. Actual life. Why should we waste tax payers money? Is it a waste? It’s keeping a dangerous person away from society. What price can you put on that? £46,696 a year if Google is to be believed Depends on which part of the country. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have that expenditure in return for teenage girls not being assaulted Or anyone for that matter, but the death penalty would be a lot cheaper and once dead these people can't hurt anyone ever again." Yes it would be cheaper for sure. But there’s always the risk of killing the innocent, at least with a wrongful conviction there’s freedom and recompense afterwards. Death is pretty hard to undo | |||
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"Rip Foucault. You would’ve loved this thread x He’s in his panopticon in heaven
Punishment part 2 would’ve been a great book . "His stuff was really interesting  | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429 Should we cut off his dick so he can't do this again? Maybe face a firing squad or hanging? What should we do with people like this? Prison for life. Actual life. Why should we waste tax payers money? Is it a waste? It’s keeping a dangerous person away from society. What price can you put on that? £46,696 a year if Google is to be believed Depends on which part of the country. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have that expenditure in return for teenage girls not being assaulted Or anyone for that matter, but the death penalty would be a lot cheaper and once dead these people can't hurt anyone ever again. Yes it would be cheaper for sure. But there’s always the risk of killing the innocent, at least with a wrongful conviction there’s freedom and recompense afterwards. Death is pretty hard to undo " In this situation and many others the accused is definitely guilty. Hanging them wouldn't be a mistake. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429 Should we cut off his dick so he can't do this again? Maybe face a firing squad or hanging? What should we do with people like this? Prison for life. Actual life. Why should we waste tax payers money? Is it a waste? It’s keeping a dangerous person away from society. What price can you put on that? £46,696 a year if Google is to be believed Depends on which part of the country. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have that expenditure in return for teenage girls not being assaulted Or anyone for that matter, but the death penalty would be a lot cheaper and once dead these people can't hurt anyone ever again. Yes it would be cheaper for sure. But there’s always the risk of killing the innocent, at least with a wrongful conviction there’s freedom and recompense afterwards. Death is pretty hard to undo In this situation and many others the accused is definitely guilty. Hanging them wouldn't be a mistake." Where do you draw the line crime-wise? Should all law-breakers be hanged? Or just the murdery ones? Who decides that a crime is worthy of a death sentence? Some would argue muggers should be hanged, other that they shouldn’t. If you’re hanging all murderers are you hanging the manslaughterers too? The accidental death-causers? | |||
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"There was a question around this earlier as to whether this individual would go to a male or female prison due to transition status. Personally, I'd go for female prison. Cant see him lasting very long in there tbh though hed probably be protected from the general prisoners, more the pity. It's a mockery when the likes of that is protected "He's got no chance of going to a female prison in Scotland. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429 Should we cut off his dick so he can't do this again? Maybe face a firing squad or hanging? What should we do with people like this? Prison for life. Actual life. Why should we waste tax payers money? Is it a waste? It’s keeping a dangerous person away from society. What price can you put on that? £46,696 a year if Google is to be believed Depends on which part of the country. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have that expenditure in return for teenage girls not being assaulted Or anyone for that matter, but the death penalty would be a lot cheaper and once dead these people can't hurt anyone ever again. Yes it would be cheaper for sure. But there’s always the risk of killing the innocent, at least with a wrongful conviction there’s freedom and recompense afterwards. Death is pretty hard to undo In this situation and many others the accused is definitely guilty. Hanging them wouldn't be a mistake. Where do you draw the line crime-wise? Should all law-breakers be hanged? Or just the murdery ones? Who decides that a crime is worthy of a death sentence? Some would argue muggers should be hanged, other that they shouldn’t. If you’re hanging all murderers are you hanging the manslaughterers too? The accidental death-causers? " Let's run a trial, the death penalty for anyone that hurts children. | |||
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"There was a question around this earlier as to whether this individual would go to a male or female prison due to transition status. Personally, I'd go for female prison. Cant see him lasting very long in there tbh though hed probably be protected from the general prisoners, more the pity. It's a mockery when the likes of that is protected
He's got no chance of going to a female prison in Scotland."I was just stating that it had been discussed and suggesting that if it happened, he would be dealt justice in there is all. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429 Should we cut off his dick so he can't do this again? Maybe face a firing squad or hanging? What should we do with people like this? Prison for life. Actual life. Why should we waste tax payers money? Is it a waste? It’s keeping a dangerous person away from society. What price can you put on that? £46,696 a year if Google is to be believed Depends on which part of the country. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have that expenditure in return for teenage girls not being assaulted Or anyone for that matter, but the death penalty would be a lot cheaper and once dead these people can't hurt anyone ever again. Yes it would be cheaper for sure. But there’s always the risk of killing the innocent, at least with a wrongful conviction there’s freedom and recompense afterwards. Death is pretty hard to undo In this situation and many others the accused is definitely guilty. Hanging them wouldn't be a mistake. Where do you draw the line crime-wise? Should all law-breakers be hanged? Or just the murdery ones? Who decides that a crime is worthy of a death sentence? Some would argue muggers should be hanged, other that they shouldn’t. If you’re hanging all murderers are you hanging the manslaughterers too? The accidental death-causers? " And the trouble with hierarchising crime is that it’s hard to draw a line that says ok these crimes are not *THAT BAD* - not as bad as something else that does warrant the death penalty | |||
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"Bring back hanging for all child killers and murders,a life for a life ..and if given life you do life not out after 20 years ..." problem with that is it takes a surprisingly small amount of evidence to charge and convict someone of a crime its not like on tv and almost all curcumstantial its insane thats not me saying they didnt do a crime i didnt read it but im talking generally from what iv seen of it | |||
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"Fundamentally I think questions like this become about punishment- what the point of them is. Whether the punishments we currently have are adequately serving their purpose. Whether the possible alternatives are what most people actually want. Also about what powers we’re willing to give to the state or a state body - allowing the state to murder its citizens is a slippery slope obviously. It’s interesting. " Let's be honest, these people can't be rehabilitated, so what use are they to society? | |||
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" The bible says an eye for an eye, would male sexual assault in prison be suitable?" So one type of sexual assault is okay? Who would you be asking to do such an act? Assuming you haven't already had them strung up and castrated. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429 Should we cut off his dick so he can't do this again? Maybe face a firing squad or hanging? What should we do with people like this? Prison for life. Actual life. Why should we waste tax payers money? Is it a waste? It’s keeping a dangerous person away from society. What price can you put on that? £46,696 a year if Google is to be believed Depends on which part of the country. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have that expenditure in return for teenage girls not being assaulted Or anyone for that matter, but the death penalty would be a lot cheaper and once dead these people can't hurt anyone ever again. Yes it would be cheaper for sure. But there’s always the risk of killing the innocent, at least with a wrongful conviction there’s freedom and recompense afterwards. Death is pretty hard to undo In this situation and many others the accused is definitely guilty. Hanging them wouldn't be a mistake. Where do you draw the line crime-wise? Should all law-breakers be hanged? Or just the murdery ones? Who decides that a crime is worthy of a death sentence? Some would argue muggers should be hanged, other that they shouldn’t. If you’re hanging all murderers are you hanging the manslaughterers too? The accidental death-causers? " Initially I would draw the line at people who hurt children. | |||
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" The bible says an eye for an eye, would male sexual assault in prison be suitable? So one type of sexual assault is okay? Who would you be asking to do such an act? Assuming you haven't already had them strung up and castrated." I don't think castration is too severe for what this person has done. As to who would do it, I don't think we would be short of volunteers but it would most likely be performed by a surgeon. | |||
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"Castrate it,birch it everyday for 5 year then gas it." That's an option. | |||
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" The bible says an eye for an eye, would male sexual assault in prison be suitable? So one type of sexual assault is okay? Who would you be asking to do such an act? Assuming you haven't already had them strung up and castrated. I don't think castration is too severe for what this person has done. As to who would do it, I don't think we would be short of volunteers but it would most likely be performed by a surgeon." I was asking about your proposal of having them sexually assaulted. | |||
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" The bible says an eye for an eye, would male sexual assault in prison be suitable? So one type of sexual assault is okay? Who would you be asking to do such an act? Assuming you haven't already had them strung up and castrated. I don't think castration is too severe for what this person has done. As to who would do it, I don't think we would be short of volunteers but it would most likely be performed by a surgeon. I was asking about your proposal of having them sexually assaulted." Well it wouldn't be me and probably not a surgeon either. Putting him in a prison full of hardened criminals would more than likely achieve it. He preyed on the weak and innocent. | |||
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"Frontal labotomy and castration." Again, good suggestion but a bullet would be cheaper and more effective. | |||
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" Well it wouldn't be me and probably not a surgeon either. Putting him in a prison full of hardened criminals would more than likely achieve it. He preyed on the weak and innocent." Presumably a prison of hardened criminals is exactly where they're going. | |||
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" Well it wouldn't be me and probably not a surgeon either. Putting him in a prison full of hardened criminals would more than likely achieve it. He preyed on the weak and innocent. Presumably a prison of hardened criminals is exactly where they're going. " insha'Allah. | |||
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"I thought this story was all about the prison he went to? He's a lifelong criminal and rapist anyway isn't he? Nothing else to do but jail him no doubt for the rest of his life now, which I'm sure he'll get as he can only be released if he's safe. He seemed to think he could do this with impunity, which means he's likely fucked up in all ways - so he'll probably be in for his remaining days I expect given his age. It costs money to monitor people too, there is just no way of avoiding the costs of crime - it's just the cost of modern life, the cost of our general safety. Capital punishment (which is known to be only a punishment for its level of crime, never a real deterrent) in itself costs a fortune, and if you do that to this person we'd be putting to death hundreds a year all told. pt" It can't cost that much for a bullet. | |||
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"Bring back hanging for all child killers and murders,a life for a life ..and if given life you do life not out after 20 years ..." With the history that our criminal justice system has regarding miscarriages of justice and wrongful conviction/imprisonment, this isn’t the answer. The cost of such a punishment alone would be astronomical and we have a justice system that is already failing, from the police through to the courts, under the weight of decades of financial cuts. | |||
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"I thought this story was all about the prison he went to? He's a lifelong criminal and rapist anyway isn't he? Nothing else to do but jail him no doubt for the rest of his life now, which I'm sure he'll get as he can only be released if he's safe. He seemed to think he could do this with impunity, which means he's likely fucked up in all ways - so he'll probably be in for his remaining days I expect given his age. It costs money to monitor people too, there is just no way of avoiding the costs of crime - it's just the cost of modern life, the cost of our general safety. Capital punishment (which is known to be only a punishment for its level of crime, never a real deterrent) in itself costs a fortune, and if you do that to this person we'd be putting to death hundreds a year all told. pt It can't cost that much for a bullet. " it's about a dollar if you load your own  | |||
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"I thought this story was all about the prison he went to? He's a lifelong criminal and rapist anyway isn't he? Nothing else to do but jail him no doubt for the rest of his life now, which I'm sure he'll get as he can only be released if he's safe. He seemed to think he could do this with impunity, which means he's likely fucked up in all ways - so he'll probably be in for his remaining days I expect given his age. It costs money to monitor people too, there is just no way of avoiding the costs of crime - it's just the cost of modern life, the cost of our general safety. Capital punishment (which is known to be only a punishment for its level of crime, never a real deterrent) in itself costs a fortune, and if you do that to this person we'd be putting to death hundreds a year all told. pt It can't cost that much for a bullet. " -That 'bullet' (or whatever method it is) can sometimes cost millions. Even in countries like the US that use it all the time. You are just talking with your anger, but it doesn't impress. pt | |||
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"Frontal labotomy and castration. Again, good suggestion but a bullet would be cheaper and more effective." Yeah, maybe after that. Just let him suffer for a while first | |||
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"I thought this story was all about the prison he went to? He's a lifelong criminal and rapist anyway isn't he? Nothing else to do but jail him no doubt for the rest of his life now, which I'm sure he'll get as he can only be released if he's safe. He seemed to think he could do this with impunity, which means he's likely fucked up in all ways - so he'll probably be in for his remaining days I expect given his age. It costs money to monitor people too, there is just no way of avoiding the costs of crime - it's just the cost of modern life, the cost of our general safety. Capital punishment (which is known to be only a punishment for its level of crime, never a real deterrent) in itself costs a fortune, and if you do that to this person we'd be putting to death hundreds a year all told. pt It can't cost that much for a bullet. it's about a dollar if you load your own
"-And where would he be? A bullet for him too is how it's always worked. We can't have everyone do this. pt | |||
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"I thought this story was all about the prison he went to? He's a lifelong criminal and rapist anyway isn't he? Nothing else to do but jail him no doubt for the rest of his life now, which I'm sure he'll get as he can only be released if he's safe. He seemed to think he could do this with impunity, which means he's likely fucked up in all ways - so he'll probably be in for his remaining days I expect given his age. It costs money to monitor people too, there is just no way of avoiding the costs of crime - it's just the cost of modern life, the cost of our general safety. Capital punishment (which is known to be only a punishment for its level of crime, never a real deterrent) in itself costs a fortune, and if you do that to this person we'd be putting to death hundreds a year all told. pt It can't cost that much for a bullet. -That 'bullet' (or whatever method it is) can sometimes cost millions. Even in countries like the US that use it all the time. You are just talking with your anger, but it doesn't impress. pt" I'm not angry. In Iraq Saddam would send the bill for the bullet to the family, it wasn't millions. | |||
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"Let's put it another way. If someone carried this act out on your daughter or son, what would you want done? Or, what would you be willing to do to the offender? " -If you think it would be to kill him (from my point of view) you have about as much mental flexibility as he does. pt | |||
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"Bring back hanging for all child killers and murders,a life for a life ..and if given life you do life not out after 20 years ... With the history that our criminal justice system has regarding miscarriages of justice and wrongful conviction/imprisonment, this isn’t the answer. The cost of such a punishment alone would be astronomical and we have a justice system that is already failing, from the police through to the courts, under the weight of decades of financial cuts. " He's absolutely guilty, there's no miscarriage of justice here. | |||
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"I thought this story was all about the prison he went to? He's a lifelong criminal and rapist anyway isn't he? Nothing else to do but jail him no doubt for the rest of his life now, which I'm sure he'll get as he can only be released if he's safe. He seemed to think he could do this with impunity, which means he's likely fucked up in all ways - so he'll probably be in for his remaining days I expect given his age. It costs money to monitor people too, there is just no way of avoiding the costs of crime - it's just the cost of modern life, the cost of our general safety. Capital punishment (which is known to be only a punishment for its level of crime, never a real deterrent) in itself costs a fortune, and if you do that to this person we'd be putting to death hundreds a year all told. pt It can't cost that much for a bullet. -That 'bullet' (or whatever method it is) can sometimes cost millions. Even in countries like the US that use it all the time. You are just talking with your anger, but it doesn't impress. pt" No it doesn't blackpowder a wad and a lead ball plus a musket is about 400 USD. If you want to go super cheap. Depends if you want a percussion cap or a flintlock. | |||
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" The bible says an eye for an eye, would male sexual assault in prison be suitable? So one type of sexual assault is okay? Who would you be asking to do such an act? Assuming you haven't already had them strung up and castrated. I don't think castration is too severe for what this person has done. As to who would do it, I don't think we would be short of volunteers but it would most likely be performed by a surgeon. I was asking about your proposal of having them sexually assaulted. Well it wouldn't be me and probably not a surgeon either. Putting him in a prison full of hardened criminals would more than likely achieve it. He preyed on the weak and innocent." You're missing the point. If r@pists are too be punished by being r@ped, you end up with a bit of a catch 22 problem. Who r@pes the r@pist that r@pes the rapist that ..... | |||
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"Let's put it another way. If someone carried this act out on your daughter or son, what would you want done? Or, what would you be willing to do to the offender?" the laws of a country should have no place for sentiment were it me id likely want to do something drastic but then id be expected to be punnished for that and be grateful that theres no death penalty for it Its like the nhs strikes everyone supports em until it hits them directly | |||
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"I thought this story was all about the prison he went to? He's a lifelong criminal and rapist anyway isn't he? Nothing else to do but jail him no doubt for the rest of his life now, which I'm sure he'll get as he can only be released if he's safe. He seemed to think he could do this with impunity, which means he's likely fucked up in all ways - so he'll probably be in for his remaining days I expect given his age. It costs money to monitor people too, there is just no way of avoiding the costs of crime - it's just the cost of modern life, the cost of our general safety. Capital punishment (which is known to be only a punishment for its level of crime, never a real deterrent) in itself costs a fortune, and if you do that to this person we'd be putting to death hundreds a year all told. pt It can't cost that much for a bullet. -That 'bullet' (or whatever method it is) can sometimes cost millions. Even in countries like the US that use it all the time. You are just talking with your anger, but it doesn't impress. pt I'm not angry. In Iraq Saddam would send the bill for the bullet to the family, it wasn't millions." Ah, that well known pillar of justice. Are you really using Saddam Husein as inspiration? | |||
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"I thought this story was all about the prison he went to? He's a lifelong criminal and rapist anyway isn't he? Nothing else to do but jail him no doubt for the rest of his life now, which I'm sure he'll get as he can only be released if he's safe. He seemed to think he could do this with impunity, which means he's likely fucked up in all ways - so he'll probably be in for his remaining days I expect given his age. It costs money to monitor people too, there is just no way of avoiding the costs of crime - it's just the cost of modern life, the cost of our general safety. Capital punishment (which is known to be only a punishment for its level of crime, never a real deterrent) in itself costs a fortune, and if you do that to this person we'd be putting to death hundreds a year all told. pt It can't cost that much for a bullet. -That 'bullet' (or whatever method it is) can sometimes cost millions. Even in countries like the US that use it all the time. You are just talking with your anger, but it doesn't impress. pt I'm not angry. In Iraq Saddam would send the bill for the bullet to the family, it wasn't millions. Ah, that well known pillar of justice. Are you really using Saddam Husein as inspiration?" If my child was treated that way. I would try my damnedest to put a .308 into the criminals dome. Fuck the judicial system. I will deal with that when I am done. | |||
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"I thought this story was all about the prison he went to? He's a lifelong criminal and rapist anyway isn't he? Nothing else to do but jail him no doubt for the rest of his life now, which I'm sure he'll get as he can only be released if he's safe. He seemed to think he could do this with impunity, which means he's likely fucked up in all ways - so he'll probably be in for his remaining days I expect given his age. It costs money to monitor people too, there is just no way of avoiding the costs of crime - it's just the cost of modern life, the cost of our general safety. Capital punishment (which is known to be only a punishment for its level of crime, never a real deterrent) in itself costs a fortune, and if you do that to this person we'd be putting to death hundreds a year all told. pt It can't cost that much for a bullet. -That 'bullet' (or whatever method it is) can sometimes cost millions. Even in countries like the US that use it all the time. You are just talking with your anger, but it doesn't impress. pt I'm not angry. In Iraq Saddam would send the bill for the bullet to the family, it wasn't millions. Ah, that well known pillar of justice. Are you really using Saddam Husein as inspiration?" Inspiration? No. However I am friends with a few Iraqi born nationals and they say Iraq was 1000% better when he was in charge as opposed to now. | |||
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"Send abroad to America , ain’t no real punishments in this crap country " Because the American justice system is a shining beacon in the world. That's a country with more of its population in prison than any other developed nation, not to mention the institution racism throughout the system. Seems to me there's precious little evidence the American system works. | |||
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"It's always more upsetting when children are involved, unless weirdly they are children who did it - so many people were calling to hang the Bulger kids. Yes, they killed a kid. But they were kids, and with horrible backgrounds. But they were perceived as "naturally evil" and many people wanted them dead. All this is why we have a system in place were the general public are never the jury, and even the victims themselves never get to set the punishment for the crime. pt" But the jury is made up of the general public. | |||
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"I thought this story was all about the prison he went to? He's a lifelong criminal and rapist anyway isn't he? Nothing else to do but jail him no doubt for the rest of his life now, which I'm sure he'll get as he can only be released if he's safe. He seemed to think he could do this with impunity, which means he's likely fucked up in all ways - so he'll probably be in for his remaining days I expect given his age. It costs money to monitor people too, there is just no way of avoiding the costs of crime - it's just the cost of modern life, the cost of our general safety. Capital punishment (which is known to be only a punishment for its level of crime, never a real deterrent) in itself costs a fortune, and if you do that to this person we'd be putting to death hundreds a year all told. pt It can't cost that much for a bullet. -That 'bullet' (or whatever method it is) can sometimes cost millions. Even in countries like the US that use it all the time. You are just talking with your anger, but it doesn't impress. pt I'm not angry. In Iraq Saddam would send the bill for the bullet to the family, it wasn't millions. Ah, that well known pillar of justice. Are you really using Saddam Husein as inspiration? If my child was treated that way. I would try my damnedest to put a .308 into the criminals dome. Fuck the judicial system. I will deal with that when I am done." -Happily I don't even know what a .308 is. I'd vote keeping a gun away from you - 100% for your own safety and freedom my friend. pt | |||
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"Bring back hanging for all child killers and murders,a life for a life ..and if given life you do life not out after 20 years ... With the history that our criminal justice system has regarding miscarriages of justice and wrongful conviction/imprisonment, this isn’t the answer. The cost of such a punishment alone would be astronomical and we have a justice system that is already failing, from the police through to the courts, under the weight of decades of financial cuts. He's absolutely guilty, there's no miscarriage of justice here." That may be. I’ve not read the parts of the case that have been put to the media let alone the parts that are kept from it, but implementing such a punishment for this case would mean there would have to be a widespread introduction for this as a possible sentence in all cases similar to this, or for the 2 given by the commenter I responded to. It’s not about one case, it’s about all cases going forward and what precedents decisions like this could introduce. I’ll put it another way, if you were wrongfully accused and brought up on charges like this, or indeed murder, would you like your odds if capital punishment was put on the table by the prosecution, as their hopeful sentencing outcome? | |||
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"I thought this story was all about the prison he went to? He's a lifelong criminal and rapist anyway isn't he? Nothing else to do but jail him no doubt for the rest of his life now, which I'm sure he'll get as he can only be released if he's safe. He seemed to think he could do this with impunity, which means he's likely fucked up in all ways - so he'll probably be in for his remaining days I expect given his age. It costs money to monitor people too, there is just no way of avoiding the costs of crime - it's just the cost of modern life, the cost of our general safety. Capital punishment (which is known to be only a punishment for its level of crime, never a real deterrent) in itself costs a fortune, and if you do that to this person we'd be putting to death hundreds a year all told. pt It can't cost that much for a bullet. -That 'bullet' (or whatever method it is) can sometimes cost millions. Even in countries like the US that use it all the time. You are just talking with your anger, but it doesn't impress. pt I'm not angry. In Iraq Saddam would send the bill for the bullet to the family, it wasn't millions. Ah, that well known pillar of justice. Are you really using Saddam Husein as inspiration? Inspiration? No. However I am friends with a few Iraqi born nationals and they say Iraq was 1000% better when he was in charge as opposed to now." Indeed, I've worked with a guy that said the same - except he was intelligent enough to understand that this wasn't so for everyone. The bits of society that weren't being gassed and shot were quite successful  | |||
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"It's always more upsetting when children are involved, unless weirdly they are children who did it - so many people were calling to hang the Bulger kids. Yes, they killed a kid. But they were kids, and with horrible backgrounds. But they were perceived as "naturally evil" and many people wanted them dead. All this is why we have a system in place were the general public are never the jury, and even the victims themselves never get to set the punishment for the crime. pt But the jury is made up of the general public. " -Not in it's entirety, don't be such a bore. pt | |||
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"I thought this story was all about the prison he went to? He's a lifelong criminal and rapist anyway isn't he? Nothing else to do but jail him no doubt for the rest of his life now, which I'm sure he'll get as he can only be released if he's safe. He seemed to think he could do this with impunity, which means he's likely fucked up in all ways - so he'll probably be in for his remaining days I expect given his age. It costs money to monitor people too, there is just no way of avoiding the costs of crime - it's just the cost of modern life, the cost of our general safety. Capital punishment (which is known to be only a punishment for its level of crime, never a real deterrent) in itself costs a fortune, and if you do that to this person we'd be putting to death hundreds a year all told. pt It can't cost that much for a bullet. -That 'bullet' (or whatever method it is) can sometimes cost millions. Even in countries like the US that use it all the time. You are just talking with your anger, but it doesn't impress. pt I'm not angry. In Iraq Saddam would send the bill for the bullet to the family, it wasn't millions. Ah, that well known pillar of justice. Are you really using Saddam Husein as inspiration? If my child was treated that way. I would try my damnedest to put a .308 into the criminals dome. Fuck the judicial system. I will deal with that when I am done." Thank you for being honest. | |||
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"Send abroad to America , ain’t no real punishments in this crap country Because the American justice system is a shining beacon in the world. That's a country with more of its population in prison than any other developed nation, not to mention the institution racism throughout the system. Seems to me there's precious little evidence the American system works. " Seems your system isn't working well either by the majority of the comments  Tell me why this scumbag should be able to live the rest of his life on taxpayers earnings again ? Bullet is much cheaper don't ya think? | |||
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"Send abroad to America , ain’t no real punishments in this crap country Because the American justice system is a shining beacon in the world. That's a country with more of its population in prison than any other developed nation, not to mention the institution racism throughout the system. Seems to me there's precious little evidence the American system works. Seems your system isn't working well either by the majority of the comments Tell me why this scumbag should be able to live the rest of his life on taxpayers earnings again ? Bullet is much cheaper don't ya think? "-Just realised you are American. Thank God we are not as bad as you over here. pt | |||
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"Let's put it another way. If someone carried this act out on your daughter or son, what would you want done? Or, what would you be willing to do to the offender?" I’d want him walking free so I could punish him appropriately myself. | |||
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"I thought this story was all about the prison he went to? He's a lifelong criminal and rapist anyway isn't he? Nothing else to do but jail him no doubt for the rest of his life now, which I'm sure he'll get as he can only be released if he's safe. He seemed to think he could do this with impunity, which means he's likely fucked up in all ways - so he'll probably be in for his remaining days I expect given his age. It costs money to monitor people too, there is just no way of avoiding the costs of crime - it's just the cost of modern life, the cost of our general safety. Capital punishment (which is known to be only a punishment for its level of crime, never a real deterrent) in itself costs a fortune, and if you do that to this person we'd be putting to death hundreds a year all told. pt It can't cost that much for a bullet. -That 'bullet' (or whatever method it is) can sometimes cost millions. Even in countries like the US that use it all the time. You are just talking with your anger, but it doesn't impress. pt I'm not angry. In Iraq Saddam would send the bill for the bullet to the family, it wasn't millions. Ah, that well known pillar of justice. Are you really using Saddam Husein as inspiration? Inspiration? No. However I am friends with a few Iraqi born nationals and they say Iraq was 1000% better when he was in charge as opposed to now. Indeed, I've worked with a guy that said the same - except he was intelligent enough to understand that this wasn't so for everyone. The bits of society that weren't being gassed and shot were quite successful "My friends are actually Kurdish, one guy in particular was in the peshmerga, fought against the Iraqi army, was shot, almost died and came to the UK for life saving surgery. He says it was better before and that's good enough for me. | |||
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"Let's put it another way. If someone carried this act out on your daughter or son, what would you want done? Or, what would you be willing to do to the offender? I’d want him walking free so I could punish him appropriately myself. " Another honest person. | |||
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"Send abroad to America , ain’t no real punishments in this crap country Because the American justice system is a shining beacon in the world. That's a country with more of its population in prison than any other developed nation, not to mention the institution racism throughout the system. Seems to me there's precious little evidence the American system works. Seems your system isn't working well either by the majority of the comments Tell me why this scumbag should be able to live the rest of his life on taxpayers earnings again ? Bullet is much cheaper don't ya think? "it would be much more justified if the parents would be able to dish out the punishment. Give them the opportunity for mercy or death. | |||
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"Send abroad to America , ain’t no real punishments in this crap country Because the American justice system is a shining beacon in the world. That's a country with more of its population in prison than any other developed nation, not to mention the institution racism throughout the system. Seems to me there's precious little evidence the American system works. Seems your system isn't working well either by the majority of the comments Tell me why this scumbag should be able to live the rest of his life on taxpayers earnings again ? Bullet is much cheaper don't ya think? "I agree. | |||
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"It's always more upsetting when children are involved, unless weirdly they are children who did it - so many people were calling to hang the Bulger kids. Yes, they killed a kid. But they were kids, and with horrible backgrounds. But they were perceived as "naturally evil" and many people wanted them dead. All this is why we have a system in place were the general public are never the jury, and even the victims themselves never get to set the punishment for the crime. pt But the jury is made up of the general public. -Not in it's entirety, don't be such a bore. pt" Eh? Who makes up the jury then? | |||
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"Send abroad to America , ain’t no real punishments in this crap country Because the American justice system is a shining beacon in the world. That's a country with more of its population in prison than any other developed nation, not to mention the institution racism throughout the system. Seems to me there's precious little evidence the American system works. Seems your system isn't working well either by the majority of the comments Tell me why this scumbag should be able to live the rest of his life on taxpayers earnings again ? Bullet is much cheaper don't ya think?
-Just realised you are American. Thank God we are not as bad as you over here. pt"Seems according to the comments they are overwhelming saying death What your excuse again? | |||
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"Bring back hanging for all child killers and murders,a life for a life ..and if given life you do life not out after 20 years ... With the history that our criminal justice system has regarding miscarriages of justice and wrongful conviction/imprisonment, this isn’t the answer. The cost of such a punishment alone would be astronomical and we have a justice system that is already failing, from the police through to the courts, under the weight of decades of financial cuts. He's absolutely guilty, there's no miscarriage of justice here. That may be. I’ve not read the parts of the case that have been put to the media let alone the parts that are kept from it, but implementing such a punishment for this case would mean there would have to be a widespread introduction for this as a possible sentence in all cases similar to this, or for the 2 given by the commenter I responded to. It’s not about one case, it’s about all cases going forward and what precedents decisions like this could introduce. I’ll put it another way, if you were wrongfully accused and brought up on charges like this, or indeed murder, would you like your odds if capital punishment was put on the table by the prosecution, as their hopeful sentencing outcome? " But he's not wrongfully accused and neither was the 16 year old in the isle of Bute that rped and murdered the wee girl. | |||
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"Let's put it another way. If someone carried this act out on your daughter or son, what would you want done? Or, what would you be willing to do to the offender? I’d want him walking free so I could punish him appropriately myself. Another honest person." -By which you mean others are not being honest. How rude. It's nothing to do with honesty here (or justice or even vengeance), it's just that not everyone is as violent as people like you. You may see it as purely justice (good luck with balancing a judicial system executing people like this btw) but it's still violence- can't you see that? Not everyone has the same view of violence as you. pt | |||
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"Send abroad to America , ain’t no real punishments in this crap country Because the American justice system is a shining beacon in the world. That's a country with more of its population in prison than any other developed nation, not to mention the institution racism throughout the system. Seems to me there's precious little evidence the American system works. Seems your system isn't working well either by the majority of the comments Tell me why this scumbag should be able to live the rest of his life on taxpayers earnings again ? Bullet is much cheaper don't ya think?
-Just realised you are American. Thank God we are not as bad as you over here. pt Seems according to the comments they are overwhelming saying death What your excuse again? "-More passive people actively avoid threads like this. I don't. After a point there becomes a general blood lust and it gets all political. But I'm up for that too. pt | |||
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"The Judge will sentence him in line with existing sentencing guidelines. That is what he is allowed to do within the remit of the law. We do not have the death penalty in the UK. Some states do have the death penalty in the USA. Does that stop crimes like these happening ? No, of course not. Ergo the death penalty is not a deterrence. Someone earlier said, "What does he contribute to society?", and the implication is that he is a drain on the taxpayer. Actually he does contribute to society. A prison guard(s) have jobs because of him. The workers in the kitchen have jobs because of him. The prison medical staff have jobs because of him. A whole tranche of people are needed because of him. They have jobs and families to support. So something good can come from evil. " Come on, there's plenty of bad guys to keep prison warders busy and the jail's are over flowing. I live a few doors away from a prison guard and he's an arsehole, he never puts his bins away after they've been emptied and his parking is dreadful. | |||
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"The Judge will sentence him in line with existing sentencing guidelines. That is what he is allowed to do within the remit of the law. We do not have the death penalty in the UK. Some states do have the death penalty in the USA. Does that stop crimes like these happening ? No, of course not. Ergo the death penalty is not a deterrence. Someone earlier said, "What does he contribute to society?", and the implication is that he is a drain on the taxpayer. Actually he does contribute to society. A prison guard(s) have jobs because of him. The workers in the kitchen have jobs because of him. The prison medical staff have jobs because of him. A whole tranche of people are needed because of him. They have jobs and families to support. So something good can come from evil. " I am a American if it was up to me there would lethal injections everyday. There is no excuse for this tragedy. None at all what so ever. Yet here we are trying to show empathy for evil that doesn't deserve it. | |||
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"Let's put it another way. If someone carried this act out on your daughter or son, what would you want done? Or, what would you be willing to do to the offender? I’d want him walking free so I could punish him appropriately myself. Another honest person. -By which you mean others are not being honest. How rude. It's nothing to do with honesty here (or justice or even vengeance), it's just that not everyone is as violent as people like you. You may see it as purely justice (good luck with balancing a judicial system executing people like this btw) but it's still violence- can't you see that? Not everyone has the same view of violence as you. pt" How rude? Oh don't be such a bore. Ok. Let's say you get attacked after a night out and they rpe you, what punishment would you choose for the attackers? | |||
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"The Judge will sentence him in line with existing sentencing guidelines. That is what he is allowed to do within the remit of the law. We do not have the death penalty in the UK. Some states do have the death penalty in the USA. Does that stop crimes like these happening ? No, of course not. Ergo the death penalty is not a deterrence. Someone earlier said, "What does he contribute to society?", and the implication is that he is a drain on the taxpayer. Actually he does contribute to society. A prison guard(s) have jobs because of him. The workers in the kitchen have jobs because of him. The prison medical staff have jobs because of him. A whole tranche of people are needed because of him. They have jobs and families to support. So something good can come from evil. I am a American if it was up to me there would lethal injections everyday. There is no excuse for this tragedy. None at all what so ever. Yet here we are trying to show empathy for evil that doesn't deserve it. " Absolutely. | |||
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"The Judge will sentence him in line with existing sentencing guidelines. That is what he is allowed to do within the remit of the law. We do not have the death penalty in the UK. Some states do have the death penalty in the USA. Does that stop crimes like these happening ? No, of course not. Ergo the death penalty is not a deterrence. Someone earlier said, "What does he contribute to society?", and the implication is that he is a drain on the taxpayer. Actually he does contribute to society. A prison guard(s) have jobs because of him. The workers in the kitchen have jobs because of him. The prison medical staff have jobs because of him. A whole tranche of people are needed because of him. They have jobs and families to support. So something good can come from evil. I am a American if it was up to me there would lethal injections everyday. There is no excuse for this tragedy. None at all what so ever. Yet here we are trying to show empathy for evil that doesn't deserve it. Absolutely." I would gladly pull the trigger | |||
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"I don't think I'd ever be comfortable with killing someone as a punishment - I'm better than that, but I think an offender may prefer it to what I believe should happen to these sick individuals. A full life sentence, hard labour 14 hours per day, 6ft by 3ft cell, no lighting, no tv, no books, no hobbies, no visitors, no interaction with other prisoners, no pandering to religious, cultural or dietary beliefs, basic nutrition and water only and permanently gagged and shackled hand and foot when not in the cell. This, of course for only the worst of crimes, proven beyond all doubt. Bess " I could accept that if it was more like the prison in the count of Monte cristo | |||
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"What you all talking about?? Another young kid killed in a racist attack?? " Read the article. | |||
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"What you all talking about?? Another young kid killed in a racist attack?? " What has paedophilia and a teen murder got in common? | |||
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"Let's put it another way. If someone carried this act out on your daughter or son, what would you want done? Or, what would you be willing to do to the offender? I’d want him walking free so I could punish him appropriately myself. Another honest person. -By which you mean others are not being honest. How rude. It's nothing to do with honesty here (or justice or even vengeance), it's just that not everyone is as violent as people like you. You may see it as purely justice (good luck with balancing a judicial system executing people like this btw) but it's still violence- can't you see that? Not everyone has the same view of violence as you. pt How rude? Oh don't be such a bore. Ok. Let's say you get attacked after a night out and they rpe you, what punishment would you choose for the attackers?" Jail of course! And it's always going to be after it's proved! What planet do you live on? One with Martial Law where everyone has guns? You and the American here need to get a room. In a sleazy motel with your 0.967's or whatever you load. pt | |||
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"I don't think I'd ever be comfortable with killing someone as a punishment - I'm better than that, but I think an offender may prefer it to what I believe should happen to these sick individuals. A full life sentence, hard labour 14 hours per day, 6ft by 3ft cell, no lighting, no tv, no books, no hobbies, no visitors, no interaction with other prisoners, no pandering to religious, cultural or dietary beliefs, basic nutrition and water only and permanently gagged and shackled hand and foot when not in the cell. This, of course for only the worst of crimes, proven beyond all doubt. Bess I could accept that if it was more like the prison in the count of Monte cristo" At least he was allowed to converse with Father Faria - far too lenient. 
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"The Judge will sentence him in line with existing sentencing guidelines. That is what he is allowed to do within the remit of the law. We do not have the death penalty in the UK. Some states do have the death penalty in the USA. Does that stop crimes like these happening ? No, of course not. Ergo the death penalty is not a deterrence. Someone earlier said, "What does he contribute to society?", and the implication is that he is a drain on the taxpayer. Actually he does contribute to society. A prison guard(s) have jobs because of him. The workers in the kitchen have jobs because of him. The prison medical staff have jobs because of him. A whole tranche of people are needed because of him. They have jobs and families to support. So something good can come from evil. I am a American if it was up to me there would lethal injections everyday. There is no excuse for this tragedy. None at all what so ever. Yet here we are trying to show empathy for evil that doesn't deserve it. " -Fortunately this wasn't a tragedy, but hey details. Just kill em all. pt | |||
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"I don't think I'd ever be comfortable with killing someone as a punishment - I'm better than that, but I think an offender may prefer it to what I believe should happen to these sick individuals. A full life sentence, hard labour 14 hours per day, 6ft by 3ft cell, no lighting, no tv, no books, no hobbies, no visitors, no interaction with other prisoners, no pandering to religious, cultural or dietary beliefs, basic nutrition and water only and permanently gagged and shackled hand and foot when not in the cell. This, of course for only the worst of crimes, proven beyond all doubt. Bess I could accept that if it was more like the prison in the count of Monte cristo At least he was allowed to converse with Father Faria - far too lenient.
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"Bring back hanging for all child killers and murders,a life for a life ..and if given life you do life not out after 20 years ... With the history that our criminal justice system has regarding miscarriages of justice and wrongful conviction/imprisonment, this isn’t the answer. The cost of such a punishment alone would be astronomical and we have a justice system that is already failing, from the police through to the courts, under the weight of decades of financial cuts. He's absolutely guilty, there's no miscarriage of justice here. That may be. I’ve not read the parts of the case that have been put to the media let alone the parts that are kept from it, but implementing such a punishment for this case would mean there would have to be a widespread introduction for this as a possible sentence in all cases similar to this, or for the 2 given by the commenter I responded to. It’s not about one case, it’s about all cases going forward and what precedents decisions like this could introduce. I’ll put it another way, if you were wrongfully accused and brought up on charges like this, or indeed murder, would you like your odds if capital punishment was put on the table by the prosecution, as their hopeful sentencing outcome? But he's not wrongfully accused and neither was the 16 year old in the isle of Bute that rped and murdered the wee girl." You’ve completed skipped every part of my counter point, we aren’t going to convince each other either way and you’ll keep throwing other guilty cases in. I’ll put a guilty case in, a babysitter from Leeds, who was jailed for life for allegedly killing a toddler she was sitting. She was acquitted of all charges after 3 years in prison. The allegations put forward we horrendous, and she would have likely been sentenced with capital punishment had it been allowed in law. That is one of at least 500 cases in which miscarriages have occurred, but all 500 were found guilty at trial regardless. | |||
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"Let's put it another way. If someone carried this act out on your daughter or son, what would you want done? Or, what would you be willing to do to the offender? I’d want him walking free so I could punish him appropriately myself. Another honest person. -By which you mean others are not being honest. How rude. It's nothing to do with honesty here (or justice or even vengeance), it's just that not everyone is as violent as people like you. You may see it as purely justice (good luck with balancing a judicial system executing people like this btw) but it's still violence- can't you see that? Not everyone has the same view of violence as you. pt How rude? Oh don't be such a bore. Ok. Let's say you get attacked after a night out and they rpe you, what punishment would you choose for the attackers? Jail of course! And it's always going to be after it's proved! What planet do you live on? One with Martial Law where everyone has guns? You and the American here need to get a room. In a sleazy motel with your 0.967's or whatever you load. pt" You have quite an active imagination. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429 Should we cut off his dick so he can't do this again? Maybe face a firing squad or hanging? What should we do with people like this? Prison for life. Actual life. Why should we waste tax payers money? Is it a waste? It’s keeping a dangerous person away from society. What price can you put on that? £46,696 a year if Google is to be believed Depends on which part of the country. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have that expenditure in return for teenage girls not being assaulted Or anyone for that matter, but the death penalty would be a lot cheaper and once dead these people can't hurt anyone ever again. Yes it would be cheaper for sure. But there’s always the risk of killing the innocent, at least with a wrongful conviction there’s freedom and recompense afterwards. Death is pretty hard to undo " Exactly and the criminal justice system is littered with examples of wrongful convictions. | |||
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"Bring back hanging for all child killers and murders,a life for a life ..and if given life you do life not out after 20 years ... With the history that our criminal justice system has regarding miscarriages of justice and wrongful conviction/imprisonment, this isn’t the answer. The cost of such a punishment alone would be astronomical and we have a justice system that is already failing, from the police through to the courts, under the weight of decades of financial cuts. He's absolutely guilty, there's no miscarriage of justice here. That may be. I’ve not read the parts of the case that have been put to the media let alone the parts that are kept from it, but implementing such a punishment for this case would mean there would have to be a widespread introduction for this as a possible sentence in all cases similar to this, or for the 2 given by the commenter I responded to. It’s not about one case, it’s about all cases going forward and what precedents decisions like this could introduce. I’ll put it another way, if you were wrongfully accused and brought up on charges like this, or indeed murder, would you like your odds if capital punishment was put on the table by the prosecution, as their hopeful sentencing outcome? But he's not wrongfully accused and neither was the 16 year old in the isle of Bute that rped and murdered the wee girl. You’ve completed skipped every part of my counter point, we aren’t going to convince each other either way and you’ll keep throwing other guilty cases in. I’ll put a guilty case in, a babysitter from Leeds, who was jailed for life for allegedly killing a toddler she was sitting. She was acquitted of all charges after 3 years in prison. The allegations put forward we horrendous, and she would have likely been sentenced with capital punishment had it been allowed in law. That is one of at least 500 cases in which miscarriages have occurred, but all 500 were found guilty at trial regardless. " No you're ignoring my point. These 2 incidents I have mentioned are slam dunks, 100%. No mistakes. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429 Should we cut off his dick so he can't do this again? Maybe face a firing squad or hanging? What should we do with people like this? Prison for life. Actual life. Why should we waste tax payers money? Is it a waste? It’s keeping a dangerous person away from society. What price can you put on that? £46,696 a year if Google is to be believed Depends on which part of the country. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have that expenditure in return for teenage girls not being assaulted Or anyone for that matter, but the death penalty would be a lot cheaper and once dead these people can't hurt anyone ever again. Yes it would be cheaper for sure. But there’s always the risk of killing the innocent, at least with a wrongful conviction there’s freedom and recompense afterwards. Death is pretty hard to undo Exactly and the criminal justice system is littered with examples of wrongful convictions. " So if the conviction is blatantly obvious. Camera footage DNA evidence and witnesses . Do you have a issue with enacting a death penalty? Trust the science we are told are we not ? | |||
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"Bring back hanging for all child killers and murders,a life for a life ..and if given life you do life not out after 20 years ... With the history that our criminal justice system has regarding miscarriages of justice and wrongful conviction/imprisonment, this isn’t the answer. The cost of such a punishment alone would be astronomical and we have a justice system that is already failing, from the police through to the courts, under the weight of decades of financial cuts. He's absolutely guilty, there's no miscarriage of justice here. That may be. I’ve not read the parts of the case that have been put to the media let alone the parts that are kept from it, but implementing such a punishment for this case would mean there would have to be a widespread introduction for this as a possible sentence in all cases similar to this, or for the 2 given by the commenter I responded to. It’s not about one case, it’s about all cases going forward and what precedents decisions like this could introduce. I’ll put it another way, if you were wrongfully accused and brought up on charges like this, or indeed murder, would you like your odds if capital punishment was put on the table by the prosecution, as their hopeful sentencing outcome? But he's not wrongfully accused and neither was the 16 year old in the isle of Bute that rped and murdered the wee girl. You’ve completed skipped every part of my counter point, we aren’t going to convince each other either way and you’ll keep throwing other guilty cases in. I’ll put a guilty case in, a babysitter from Leeds, who was jailed for life for allegedly killing a toddler she was sitting. She was acquitted of all charges after 3 years in prison. The allegations put forward we horrendous, and she would have likely been sentenced with capital punishment had it been allowed in law. That is one of at least 500 cases in which miscarriages have occurred, but all 500 were found guilty at trial regardless. No you're ignoring my point. These 2 incidents I have mentioned are slam dunks, 100%. No mistakes." I’m not ignoring it, I addressed it. It’s not about these cases, it’s much more wide angled. You have to look from an overarching point of view, how this one change in sentencing law can affect all cases and trials going forward regardless of outcome. That’s the point you’re missing, or indeed ignoring. Yes, it’s a very emotional topic, and it’s difficult to view it from any other point, but it has to be viewed without emotion when looking at justice system reform and changes to law. | |||
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"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-65610429 Should we cut off his dick so he can't do this again? Maybe face a firing squad or hanging? What should we do with people like this? Prison for life. Actual life. Why should we waste tax payers money? Is it a waste? It’s keeping a dangerous person away from society. What price can you put on that? £46,696 a year if Google is to be believed Depends on which part of the country. But I don’t think it’s unreasonable to have that expenditure in return for teenage girls not being assaulted Or anyone for that matter, but the death penalty would be a lot cheaper and once dead these people can't hurt anyone ever again. Yes it would be cheaper for sure. But there’s always the risk of killing the innocent, at least with a wrongful conviction there’s freedom and recompense afterwards. Death is pretty hard to undo Exactly and the criminal justice system is littered with examples of wrongful convictions. So if the conviction is blatantly obvious. Camera footage DNA evidence and witnesses . Do you have a issue with enacting a death penalty? Trust the science we are told are we not ? " For me I'd be ok with the death penalty ( for certain crimes) ...but the evidence threshold for a sentence like that would need to beyond doubt. Certainly above what would be the threshold now. | |||
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"Bring back hanging for all child killers and murders,a life for a life ..and if given life you do life not out after 20 years ... With the history that our criminal justice system has regarding miscarriages of justice and wrongful conviction/imprisonment, this isn’t the answer. The cost of such a punishment alone would be astronomical and we have a justice system that is already failing, from the police through to the courts, under the weight of decades of financial cuts. He's absolutely guilty, there's no miscarriage of justice here. That may be. I’ve not read the parts of the case that have been put to the media let alone the parts that are kept from it, but implementing such a punishment for this case would mean there would have to be a widespread introduction for this as a possible sentence in all cases similar to this, or for the 2 given by the commenter I responded to. It’s not about one case, it’s about all cases going forward and what precedents decisions like this could introduce. I’ll put it another way, if you were wrongfully accused and brought up on charges like this, or indeed murder, would you like your odds if capital punishment was put on the table by the prosecution, as their hopeful sentencing outcome? But he's not wrongfully accused and neither was the 16 year old in the isle of Bute that rped and murdered the wee girl. You’ve completed skipped every part of my counter point, we aren’t going to convince each other either way and you’ll keep throwing other guilty cases in. I’ll put a guilty case in, a babysitter from Leeds, who was jailed for life for allegedly killing a toddler she was sitting. She was acquitted of all charges after 3 years in prison. The allegations put forward we horrendous, and she would have likely been sentenced with capital punishment had it been allowed in law. That is one of at least 500 cases in which miscarriages have occurred, but all 500 were found guilty at trial regardless. No you're ignoring my point. These 2 incidents I have mentioned are slam dunks, 100%. No mistakes." OK, let's say I believe you and we introduce the law. How do we set the bat on what is a "slam dunk 100%" conviction verses one we're not so sure about? Do we get a bunch of Internet strangers to read a news article or two and decide which convicting are safe enough to warrant the death penalty and which we think have the possibility of turning out to be a wrongful conviction? | |||
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"Did You Know.. When he was governor of Texas, George W. Bush was known for barely looking at people's cases when he signed them off for a death sentence - at a period of about one every week. The majority of those sentenced were black. When asked about this, and the zero-relationship to these executions and the levels of actual crime, he said "I know, but this is what the public want". It's probably the most honest thing Bush Jnr ever said, though it chills me down to my bones of course. pt" So I guess a perpetrator can waltz into your house r@pe your children and you and you would still show empathy twords the perpetrator. How sick is that. I would do everything in my power to prevent that. You basically saying it's ok. | |||
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" I am a American if it was up to me there would lethal injections everyday. There is no excuse for this tragedy. None at all what so ever. Yet here we are trying to show empathy for evil that doesn't deserve it. " So you are not empathic for the people who have jobs and careers looking after the prisoner ? There is a whole industry and people's livelihoods entwined with supporting the prison system. They have jobs because of the bad people. Lethal injections every day would achieve absolutely nothing. Look at countries with much higher amounts of corporal punishment and death penalties. They are awash with crime. | |||
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" I am a American if it was up to me there would lethal injections everyday. There is no excuse for this tragedy. None at all what so ever. Yet here we are trying to show empathy for evil that doesn't deserve it. So you are not empathic for the people who have jobs and careers looking after the prisoner ? There is a whole industry and people's livelihoods entwined with supporting the prison system. They have jobs because of the bad people. Lethal injections every day would achieve absolutely nothing. Look at countries with much higher amounts of corporal punishment and death penalties. They are awash with crime. " There will never be a shortage of prisoners jailed for "softer" crimes. Bess x | |||
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"Did You Know.. When he was governor of Texas, George W. Bush was known for barely looking at people's cases when he signed them off for a death sentence - at a period of about one every week. The majority of those sentenced were black. When asked about this, and the zero-relationship to these executions and the levels of actual crime, he said "I know, but this is what the public want". It's probably the most honest thing Bush Jnr ever said, though it chills me down to my bones of course. pt So I guess a perpetrator can waltz into your house r@pe your children and you and you would still show empathy twords the perpetrator. How sick is that. I would do everything in my power to prevent that. You basically saying it's ok." Not wanting to murder someone as punishment isn't basically the same as saying it's OK at all. I know you're struggling to grasp this notion but not everybody is motivated by revenge. Killing someone for a crime they've committed does nothing to undo the crime, it doesn't un-r@pe a victim, it doesn't bring a murdered person back to life. The only thing it does for a victim is satisfy those for whom revenge is important. I'm not motivated by that. I'm motivated by having a safer society where crimes are less common. In the US you have many many times more people per head of population in prison, you still execute people and yet you also have 5 times the murder rate that we do in the UK. I'd take our less than perfect justice system along with my 5 times less chance of being killed any day of the week. That is a far better solution than merely satisfying my blood lust. | |||
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"Did You Know.. When he was governor of Texas, George W. Bush was known for barely looking at people's cases when he signed them off for a death sentence - at a period of about one every week. The majority of those sentenced were black. When asked about this, and the zero-relationship to these executions and the levels of actual crime, he said "I know, but this is what the public want". It's probably the most honest thing Bush Jnr ever said, though it chills me down to my bones of course. pt So I guess a perpetrator can waltz into your house r@pe your children and you and you would still show empathy twords the perpetrator. How sick is that. I would do everything in my power to prevent that. You basically saying it's ok. " -They weren't all like that by a long chalk. I remember The Mirror showing the faces of all 150 or so of them when he became president. Fortunately most deadly crimes don't involve the death of children. They are angry sad and terrible in other ways. And OF COURSE you think I'm saying it's basically all ok. Because that's how this argument always rolls. pt | |||
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" I am a American if it was up to me there would lethal injections everyday. There is no excuse for this tragedy. None at all what so ever. Yet here we are trying to show empathy for evil that doesn't deserve it. So you are not empathic for the people who have jobs and careers looking after the prisoner ? There is a whole industry and people's livelihoods entwined with supporting the prison system. They have jobs because of the bad people. Lethal injections every day would achieve absolutely nothing. Look at countries with much higher amounts of corporal punishment and death penalties. They are awash with crime. " What do you suggest? Empathy for sick individuals that do not deserve to live? You complain about our mass shootings yet the majority get life in prison. What is wrong with strapping them to a pole and putting some .556 in them ? Hell let those parents even pull the trigger if they wish. Let me give you a enlightened experience. Some people don't give a fuck about others. Drop them stack bodies they will eventually get the hint. | |||
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" I am a American if it was up to me there would lethal injections everyday. There is no excuse for this tragedy. None at all what so ever. Yet here we are trying to show empathy for evil that doesn't deserve it. So you are not empathic for the people who have jobs and careers looking after the prisoner ? There is a whole industry and people's livelihoods entwined with supporting the prison system. They have jobs because of the bad people. Lethal injections every day would achieve absolutely nothing. Look at countries with much higher amounts of corporal punishment and death penalties. They are awash with crime. What do you suggest? Empathy for sick individuals that do not deserve to live? You complain about our mass shootings yet the majority get life in prison. What is wrong with strapping them to a pole and putting some .556 in them ? Hell let those parents even pull the trigger if they wish. Let me give you a enlightened experience. Some people don't give a fuck about others. Drop them stack bodies they will eventually get the hint." It has nothing to do with empathy for the perpetrators. It's about the type of person I want to be. You may be happy executing others, I'm not. It's as simple as that. I can't say there would never be circumstances where I wouldn't want to, it's just that I have the ability to choose not to. | |||
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"Did You Know.. When he was governor of Texas, George W. Bush was known for barely looking at people's cases when he signed them off for a death sentence - at a period of about one every week. The majority of those sentenced were black. When asked about this, and the zero-relationship to these executions and the levels of actual crime, he said "I know, but this is what the public want". It's probably the most honest thing Bush Jnr ever said, though it chills me down to my bones of course. pt So I guess a perpetrator can waltz into your house r@pe your children and you and you would still show empathy twords the perpetrator. How sick is that. I would do everything in my power to prevent that. You basically saying it's ok. -They weren't all like that by a long chalk. I remember The Mirror showing the faces of all 150 or so of them when he became president. Fortunately most deadly crimes don't involve the death of children. They are angry sad and terrible in other ways. And OF COURSE you think I'm saying it's basically all ok. Because that's how this argument always rolls. pt " But I am right you saying I am wrong? You wouldn't do anything to protect your loved ones? I don't can say I won't put someone in a bodybag if I have the chance. You otherwise would not . You would watch and claim empathy for the violent criminal. Odd | |||
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"I wouldn't castrate him medically, as someone wanting to transition, it's halfway to what he wants. I'd castrate him with no anesthetic, in a guillotine. I would forfeit any transitioning treatment he was in the process of and send him to a mens prison with no protection. I'd give him 10 years, trying to survive from other inmates. if he ever managed to survive the 10 years, he'd then be hung on the last day. " -Well it's inventive I'll give you that. What would you do for the people who do even worse? You get to know a bit too much about people on these threads sometimes sadly. Has has made life harder for a lot of trans people though since he first went to that female prison, I'll give you that. That was always going to happen at some point though, esp in Scotland at present. We've always needed to put more money into prisons and imprisonment in general but whenever we do the right-wing backlash is huge. pt | |||
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"I wouldn't castrate him medically, as someone wanting to transition, it's halfway to what he wants. I'd castrate him with no anesthetic, in a guillotine. I would forfeit any transitioning treatment he was in the process of and send him to a mens prison with no protection. I'd give him 10 years, trying to survive from other inmates. if he ever managed to survive the 10 years, he'd then be hung on the last day. -Well it's inventive I'll give you that. What would you do for the people who do even worse? You get to know a bit too much about people on these threads sometimes sadly. Has has made life harder for a lot of trans people though since he first went to that female prison, I'll give you that. That was always going to happen at some point though, esp in Scotland at present. We've always needed to put more money into prisons and imprisonment in general but whenever we do the right-wing backlash is huge. pt " I'd so same for people that do worse too. Take away their wants and 'preferences', they gave them up. 10 years in prison, with no special supervision. If they survive the 10 years of hell, hang them. | |||
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"Having hash's punishments that include torture and the death penality will prevent a lot of crimes taking place. The fear of answering for your crime. My dad use to cane the crap out of me, if I was in trouble. You can bet I thought twice about doing anything that may get me the cane. America has the death penality Yes there are still people that murder, it will never stop them all. BUT... No one will ever know how many murders were not committed, due to the deterrent" About 5 times as many per head of population compared to the UK. There is zero evidence the death penalty works as a deterrent. | |||
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"Having hash's punishments that include torture and the death penality will prevent a lot of crimes taking place. The fear of answering for your crime. My dad use to cane the crap out of me, if I was in trouble. You can bet I thought twice about doing anything that may get me the cane. America has the death penality Yes there are still people that murder, it will never stop them all. BUT... No one will ever know how many murders were not committed, due to the deterrent About 5 times as many per head of population compared to the UK. There is zero evidence the death penalty works as a deterrent." It's not about a deterrent or undoing anything. These people can't help themselves and they can't be helped. It's about stopping them doing it again and ridding the world of them. | |||
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"I wouldn't castrate him medically, as someone wanting to transition, it's halfway to what he wants. I'd castrate him with no anesthetic, in a guillotine. I would forfeit any transitioning treatment he was in the process of and send him to a mens prison with no protection. I'd give him 10 years, trying to survive from other inmates. if he ever managed to survive the 10 years, he'd then be hung on the last day. -Well it's inventive I'll give you that. What would you do for the people who do even worse? You get to know a bit too much about people on these threads sometimes sadly. Has has made life harder for a lot of trans people though since he first went to that female prison, I'll give you that. That was always going to happen at some point though, esp in Scotland at present. We've always needed to put more money into prisons and imprisonment in general but whenever we do the right-wing backlash is huge. pt " Worse than hurting a child? | |||
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"Having hash's punishments that include torture and the death penality will prevent a lot of crimes taking place. The fear of answering for your crime. My dad use to cane the crap out of me, if I was in trouble. You can bet I thought twice about doing anything that may get me the cane. America has the death penality Yes there are still people that murder, it will never stop them all. BUT... No one will ever know how many murders were not committed, due to the deterrent" some states do some do not have it. There is no deterrent anymore. Some people think what is the worst that can happen. I go to prison and get 3 meals a day and free housing and medical . That's enticing. | |||
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"Having hash's punishments that include torture and the death penality will prevent a lot of crimes taking place. The fear of answering for your crime. My dad use to cane the crap out of me, if I was in trouble. You can bet I thought twice about doing anything that may get me the cane. America has the death penality Yes there are still people that murder, it will never stop them all. BUT... No one will ever know how many murders were not committed, due to the deterrent About 5 times as many per head of population compared to the UK. There is zero evidence the death penalty works as a deterrent." Can you prove or find those statistics? I strongly disagree, however no one will ever know for sure, how many serious crimes didn't take place as a result. Also USA is a very large country, with 50 states. Only 27 states still have the death penality but its well known that most of those haven't carried out a death penalty for years. | |||
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"Having hash's punishments that include torture and the death penality will prevent a lot of crimes taking place. The fear of answering for your crime. My dad use to cane the crap out of me, if I was in trouble. You can bet I thought twice about doing anything that may get me the cane. America has the death penality Yes there are still people that murder, it will never stop them all. BUT... No one will ever know how many murders were not committed, due to the deterrent About 5 times as many per head of population compared to the UK. There is zero evidence the death penalty works as a deterrent." It has a 100% success rate at preventing reoffending though. | |||
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"Having hash's punishments that include torture and the death penality will prevent a lot of crimes taking place. The fear of answering for your crime. My dad use to cane the crap out of me, if I was in trouble. You can bet I thought twice about doing anything that may get me the cane. America has the death penality Yes there are still people that murder, it will never stop them all. BUT... No one will ever know how many murders were not committed, due to the deterrent About 5 times as many per head of population compared to the UK. There is zero evidence the death penalty works as a deterrent. It has a 100% success rate at preventing reoffending though." Lol no arguing with that. | |||
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" The bible says an eye for an eye, would male sexual assault in prison be suitable? So one type of sexual assault is okay? Who would you be asking to do such an act? Assuming you haven't already had them strung up and castrated. I don't think castration is too severe for what this person has done. As to who would do it, I don't think we would be short of volunteers but it would most likely be performed by a surgeon." Let the parents of the victim do it preferably with blunt and rusty blade | |||
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"I wouldn't castrate him medically, as someone wanting to transition, it's halfway to what he wants. I'd castrate him with no anesthetic, in a guillotine. I would forfeit any transitioning treatment he was in the process of and send him to a mens prison with no protection. I'd give him 10 years, trying to survive from other inmates. if he ever managed to survive the 10 years, he'd then be hung on the last day. -Well it's inventive I'll give you that. What would you do for the people who do even worse? You get to know a bit too much about people on these threads sometimes sadly. Has has made life harder for a lot of trans people though since he first went to that female prison, I'll give you that. That was always going to happen at some point though, esp in Scotland at present. We've always needed to put more money into prisons and imprisonment in general but whenever we do the right-wing backlash is huge. pt " What crime is worse than rping a child? | |||
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"Having hash's punishments that include torture and the death penality will prevent a lot of crimes taking place. The fear of answering for your crime. My dad use to cane the crap out of me, if I was in trouble. You can bet I thought twice about doing anything that may get me the cane. America has the death penality Yes there are still people that murder, it will never stop them all. BUT... No one will ever know how many murders were not committed, due to the deterrent About 5 times as many per head of population compared to the UK. There is zero evidence the death penalty works as a deterrent." Break my door down and threaten my family. I will show you deterance. I will do everything in my power to make sure you do not leave unless it's a black bag . Touch my loved ones. You better be prepared for my wrath. | |||
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"Did You Know.. When he was governor of Texas, George W. Bush was known for barely looking at people's cases when he signed them off for a death sentence - at a period of about one every week. The majority of those sentenced were black. When asked about this, and the zero-relationship to these executions and the levels of actual crime, he said "I know, but this is what the public want". It's probably the most honest thing Bush Jnr ever said, though it chills me down to my bones of course. pt So I guess a perpetrator can waltz into your house r@pe your children and you and you would still show empathy twords the perpetrator. How sick is that. I would do everything in my power to prevent that. You basically saying it's ok. -They weren't all like that by a long chalk. I remember The Mirror showing the faces of all 150 or so of them when he became president. Fortunately most deadly crimes don't involve the death of children. They are angry sad and terrible in other ways. And OF COURSE you think I'm saying it's basically all ok. Because that's how this argument always rolls. pt But I am right you saying I am wrong? You wouldn't do anything to protect your loved ones? I don't can say I won't put someone in a bodybag if I have the chance. You otherwise would not . You would watch and claim empathy for the violent criminal. Odd "-What kind of mother would you be if dead or in jail? You are talking about r@pe too, not even death. I find this madness slightly terrifying to be honest. America is up the junction but it's not so bad you can go after people as a vigilante without anyone going after you afterwards. Whatever the rules are re protection in your own home. Most people who pull guns get killed. If you survive you'll be some kind of hero for sure, but you'll spend time away from your kids sorting it out. And your weird fantasy here is off point too - we are talking about murder not r@pe. (Which actually did not happen in the OP's story, but I am talking about murder anyway. People wanted to take his life as a punishment for his twisted kidn@pping etc, I and others don't. That's all there is here. I don't want to play at your speculative games re r@pe. What you risk is entirely up to you. Nobody here likes any of this shit. You can't tell others how to behave, like when Trump suggested teachers all need to be armed . It's demanding skills and actual characteristics of people who are just not at all likely to have them, and endangering absolutely everyone as a consequence!)
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"Having hash's punishments that include torture and the death penality will prevent a lot of crimes taking place. The fear of answering for your crime. My dad use to cane the crap out of me, if I was in trouble. You can bet I thought twice about doing anything that may get me the cane. America has the death penality Yes there are still people that murder, it will never stop them all. BUT... No one will ever know how many murders were not committed, due to the deterrent About 5 times as many per head of population compared to the UK. There is zero evidence the death penalty works as a deterrent. Can you prove or find those statistics? I strongly disagree, however no one will ever know for sure, how many serious crimes didn't take place as a result. Also USA is a very large country, with 50 states. Only 27 states still have the death penality but its well known that most of those haven't carried out a death penalty for years. " And in those 27 states the deterrent is still there the rate is higher than those without. In fact the murder rate has been consistently higher in states with it than without since 1990, and the difference is increasing. Almost as if having a deterrent isn’t actually a deterrent… | |||
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"Having hash's punishments that include torture and the death penality will prevent a lot of crimes taking place. The fear of answering for your crime. My dad use to cane the crap out of me, if I was in trouble. You can bet I thought twice about doing anything that may get me the cane. America has the death penality Yes there are still people that murder, it will never stop them all. BUT... No one will ever know how many murders were not committed, due to the deterrent About 5 times as many per head of population compared to the UK. There is zero evidence the death penalty works as a deterrent. Can you prove or find those statistics? I strongly disagree, however no one will ever know for sure, how many serious crimes didn't take place as a result. Also USA is a very large country, with 50 states. Only 27 states still have the death penality but its well known that most of those haven't carried out a death penalty for years. And in those 27 states the deterrent is still there the rate is higher than those without. In fact the murder rate has been consistently higher in states with it than without since 1990, and the difference is increasing. Almost as if having a deterrent isn’t actually a deterrent…" Forget murder. We're talking about pedos rping children. | |||
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"Having hash's punishments that include torture and the death penality will prevent a lot of crimes taking place. The fear of answering for your crime. My dad use to cane the crap out of me, if I was in trouble. You can bet I thought twice about doing anything that may get me the cane. America has the death penality Yes there are still people that murder, it will never stop them all. BUT... No one will ever know how many murders were not committed, due to the deterrent About 5 times as many per head of population compared to the UK. There is zero evidence the death penalty works as a deterrent. Can you prove or find those statistics? I strongly disagree, however no one will ever know for sure, how many serious crimes didn't take place as a result. Also USA is a very large country, with 50 states. Only 27 states still have the death penality but its well known that most of those haven't carried out a death penalty for years. And in those 27 states the deterrent is still there the rate is higher than those without. In fact the murder rate has been consistently higher in states with it than without since 1990, and the difference is increasing. Almost as if having a deterrent isn’t actually a deterrent…" Maybe, but you don’t know how many crimes were deterred by the deterrent as they were deterred and didn’t happen. My head hurts. | |||
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"Almost as if having a deterrent isn’t actually a deterrent… Forget murder. We're talking about pedos rping children. " -It's the same principal. Death Row costs a fortune - and for what? The money needs to be spent elsewhere. The whole 'defund the police' mantra was about this, but of course it was so badly named (and of course reported) that few actually got it. It's about diverting the money into the social side to policing/civic life, where actual prevention becomes 'key', rather than employing more and move heavily-armed cops- the most some parts of America has ever had. It doesn't work. pt | |||
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"Having hash's punishments that include torture and the death penality will prevent a lot of crimes taking place. The fear of answering for your crime. My dad use to cane the crap out of me, if I was in trouble. You can bet I thought twice about doing anything that may get me the cane. America has the death penality Yes there are still people that murder, it will never stop them all. BUT... No one will ever know how many murders were not committed, due to the deterrent About 5 times as many per head of population compared to the UK. There is zero evidence the death penalty works as a deterrent. Can you prove or find those statistics? I strongly disagree, however no one will ever know for sure, how many serious crimes didn't take place as a result. Also USA is a very large country, with 50 states. Only 27 states still have the death penality but its well known that most of those haven't carried out a death penalty for years. And in those 27 states the deterrent is still there the rate is higher than those without. In fact the murder rate has been consistently higher in states with it than without since 1990, and the difference is increasing. Almost as if having a deterrent isn’t actually a deterrent… Maybe, but you don’t know how many crimes were deterred by the deterrent as they were deterred and didn’t happen. My head hurts." The problem with the deterrent argument and crime, is that criminals don’t think they’ll get caught. Hence, some will stupidly post photos of themselves online, posing with handguns and drugs on a table, then wonder why they’ve been arrested for possession of illegal firearms and Class A drugs with intent to supply. | |||
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"Did You Know.. When he was governor of Texas, George W. Bush was known for barely looking at people's cases when he signed them off for a death sentence - at a period of about one every week. The majority of those sentenced were black. When asked about this, and the zero-relationship to these executions and the levels of actual crime, he said "I know, but this is what the public want". It's probably the most honest thing Bush Jnr ever said, though it chills me down to my bones of course. pt So I guess a perpetrator can waltz into your house r@pe your children and you and you would still show empathy twords the perpetrator. How sick is that. I would do everything in my power to prevent that. You basically saying it's ok. -They weren't all like that by a long chalk. I remember The Mirror showing the faces of all 150 or so of them when he became president. Fortunately most deadly crimes don't involve the death of children. They are angry sad and terrible in other ways. And OF COURSE you think I'm saying it's basically all ok. Because that's how this argument always rolls. pt But I am right you saying I am wrong? You wouldn't do anything to protect your loved ones? I don't can say I won't put someone in a bodybag if I have the chance. You otherwise would not . You would watch and claim empathy for the violent criminal. Odd
-What kind of mother would you be if dead or in jail? You are talking about r@pe too, not even death. I find this madness slightly terrifying to be honest. America is up the junction but it's not so bad you can go after people as a vigilante without anyone going after you afterwards. Whatever the rules are re protection in your own home. Most people who pull guns get killed. If you survive you'll be some kind of hero for sure, but you'll spend time away from your kids sorting it out.
And your weird fantasy here is off point too - we are talking about murder not r@pe. (Which actually did not happen in the OP's story, but I am talking about murder anyway. People wanted to take his life as a punishment for his twisted kidn@pping etc, I and others don't. That's all there is here. I don't want to play at your speculative games re r@pe. What you risk is entirely up to you. Nobody here likes any of this shit. You can't tell others how to behave, like when Trump suggested teachers all need to be armed . It's demanding skills and actual characteristics of people who are just not at all likely to have them, and endangering absolutely everyone as a consequence!)
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"This is starting to sound like a fetish." Nope you just can't answer a horrible experience. You cant answer speaks volumes. Deflecting is a sign of your submission. What's next I am a insane American with guns? Just answer honestly. Would you drop the perpetrator or would you just let them have their way. It's a simple question could you pull a trigger or would you just let them have their way. I would pull. I would say you wouldn't Now you know the difference between the US and the UK . | |||
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"Honest question. If someone was r@ ping your child they came into your house during the middle of the night. Would you put a 9mm into there dome or would you wait for the police to show up ." I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have told anyone what they'd be upto that night, or where they'd really be. Therefore its a pretty good guess no one would have a clue of where to start looking for them either. They'd be trying to swim the _ocal reservoir with concrete boots on. | |||
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"Honest question. If someone was r@ ping your child they came into your house during the middle of the night. Would you put a 9mm into there dome or would you wait for the police to show up . I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have told anyone what they'd be upto that night, or where they'd really be. Therefore its a pretty good guess no one would have a clue of where to start looking for them either. They'd be trying to swim the _ocal reservoir with concrete boots on. " lol. | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a fetish. Nope you just can't answer a horrible experience. You cant answer speaks volumes. Deflecting is a sign of your submission. What's next I am a insane American with guns? Just answer honestly. Would you drop the perpetrator or would you just let them have their way. It's a simple question could you pull a trigger or would you just let them have their way. I would pull. I would say you wouldn't Now you know the difference between the US and the UK ."I'm in the UK, I'd definitely pull, no problem at all, and am already very familier with all aspects of shooting and reloading brass | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a fetish. Nope you just can't answer a horrible experience. You cant answer speaks volumes. Deflecting is a sign of your submission. What's next I am a insane American with guns? Just answer honestly. Would you drop the perpetrator or would you just let them have their way. It's a simple question could you pull a trigger or would you just let them have their way. I would pull. I would say you wouldn't Now you know the difference between the US and the UK .
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So far pulled my gun 4 times. My find trumped their fuck. Oops I said Trump is anyone offended? I apologize for my
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"Honest question. If someone was r@ ping your child they came into your house during the middle of the night. Would you put a 9mm into there dome or would you wait for the police to show up ." Defending yourself or your loved ones with force, isn't quite the same has the state sanctioning violence against a captured criminal. | |||
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"Tie him to a bed frame with no mattress and place a rat in a bucket and place it over his stomach and head the bucket. The rat will find a way to escape " Seems like you enjoy sadistic torture has much has the criminal. | |||
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"Tie him to a bed frame with no mattress and place a rat in a bucket and place it over his stomach and head the bucket. The rat will find a way to escape Seems like you enjoy sadistic torture has much has the criminal. " I understand this may come off as an admission of such a thing, however, as a family member of someone who has endured a similar experience I hold no remorse, sympathy nor empathy towards the vile scum perpetrating such acts. Only the most barbaric consequences should be given to those undertaking such acts. Such an ordeal leaves someone with scars that last a lifetime that may not ever disappear- such suffering created by an individual who cannot/did not consider the effects of such an act all in the name of lust. | |||
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"Honest question. If someone was r@ ping your child they came into your house during the middle of the night. Would you put a 9mm into there dome or would you wait for the police to show up . Defending yourself or your loved ones with force, isn't quite the same has the state sanctioning violence against a captured criminal. " You wouldn't save your family and loved ones at all costs? So you would forgive a assailent if this was your child? Nope I would try everything in my pot to end his life. If i could. But hey that shows your empathy you choose the criminal over the innocent. That's kind of disturbing. | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a fetish . Nope you just can't answer a horrible experience. You cant answer speaks volumes. Deflecting is a sign of your submission. What's next I am a insane American with guns? Just answer honestly. Would you drop the perpetrator or would you just let them have their way. It's a simple question could you pull a trigger or would you just let them have their way. I would pull. I would say you wouldn't Now you know the difference between the US and the UK .
"-I have answered you and given you loads of my time! No I wouldn't - and I wouldn't even have a gun! That's one huge difference between us, and thank God it is there! You can't just shove a gun in people's hands. A huge amount of American (where CHILDREN DIE all the time due to this kind of insane fetishism) would agree with me more passionately than I could. Guns kill kids. They find them they use them they get shot by them. Have you ever thought about it like that? Am I to say I'd shoot the people who stop gun control from happening over there? Because they are murderers in every sense of the word to me and so many of you guys too. But no, I wouldn't even shoot those utter scumbags. I don't believe in taking other people's lives. I believe in legal systems and in both traditional and progressive imprisonment, to attempt to prevent further crime and make it more affordable. pt | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a fetish. Nope you just can't answer a horrible experience. You cant answer speaks volumes. Deflecting is a sign of your submission. What's next I am a insane American with guns? Just answer honestly. Would you drop the perpetrator or would you just let them have their way. It's a simple question could you pull a trigger or would you just let them have their way. I would pull. I would say you wouldn't Now you know the difference between the US and the UK .
I'm in the UK, I'd definitely pull, no problem at all, and am already very familier with all aspects of shooting and reloading brass
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"I had a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia in the early 90s. He told me some stories. One was of this mannequin figure hung high above a street he use to walk through every day. Well its what he thought was a mannequin. Turned out it was a body of a executed criminal on display to deter other potential criminals. Another of how he was persuaded by friends to go to a public beheading. How the experience made him physically sick and unable to keep food down for days. Going by the posts here. Looks like that's the sort of society our posters want to live in." When someone's brain has become so dysfunctional, it makes their adult body rap and kill innocent children. Then yes. I strongly believe the best cure is that brain needs removing from the neck. | |||
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"I had a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia in the early 90s. He told me some stories. One was of this mannequin figure hung high above a street he use to walk through every day. Well its what he thought was a mannequin. Turned out it was a body of a executed criminal on display to deter other potential criminals. Another of how he was persuaded by friends to go to a public beheading. How the experience made him physically sick and unable to keep food down for days. Going by the posts here. Looks like that's the sort of society our posters want to live in. When someone's brain has become so dysfunctional, it makes their adult body rap and kill innocent children. Then yes. I strongly believe the best cure is that brain needs removing from the neck." Thank you | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a fetish . Nope you just can't answer a horrible experience. You cant answer speaks volumes. Deflecting is a sign of your submission. What's next I am a insane American with guns? Just answer honestly. Would you drop the perpetrator or would you just let them have their way. It's a simple question could you pull a trigger or would you just let them have their way. I would pull. I would say you wouldn't Now you know the difference between the US and the UK .
-I have answered you and given you loads of my time! No I wouldn't - and I wouldn't even have a gun! That's one huge difference between us, and thank God it is there! You can't just shove a gun in people's hands. A huge amount of American (where CHILDREN DIE all the time due to this kind of insane fetishism) would agree with me more passionately than I could. Guns kill kids. They find them they use them they get shot by them. Have you ever thought about it like that? Am I to say I'd shoot the people who stop gun control from happening over there? Because they are murderers in every sense of the word to me and so many of you guys too. But no, I wouldn't even shoot those utter scumbags. I don't believe in taking other people's lives. I believe in legal systems and in both traditional and progressive imprisonment, to attempt to prevent further crime and make it more affordable.
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"Deflection again. I ask .. simplistic answer if you had a gun and a assailent is wreaking havoc on your entire loved ones.Would you use it to protect ? You still haven't answered. It seems toe you choose the criminal over your own . Guess what that asshole be leaving my house in a bodybag and any place else. So choose be honest I am . I can and will take a life if they are a detriment criminally to my family and loved ones. You choose the fuck it they don't matter approach the criminal had issues and you are acceptable of their issues. I will stack them you would just let them exist. | |||
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"I had a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia in the early 90s. He told me some stories. One was of this mannequin figure hung high above a street he use to walk through every day. Well its what he thought was a mannequin. Turned out it was a body of a executed criminal on display to deter other potential criminals. Another of how he was persuaded by friends to go to a public beheading. How the experience made him physically sick and unable to keep food down for days. Going by the posts here. Looks like that's the sort of society our posters want to live in. When someone's brain has become so dysfunctional, it makes their adult body rap and kill innocent children. Then yes. I strongly believe the best cure is that brain needs removing from the neck." -Says the 'sadist' TV who wants to drink the pee of females captured in medieval bondage devices. What happens when people issue this level of judgementalism towards you? I've had messages before telling me exactly what should happen to me. Don't tell me you haven't had them too. I'm wondering if you're not getting yourself off on all this, the American to to be frank. How many times can you just repeat the same gross stuff? pt | |||
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"This is starting to sound like a fetish . Nope you just can't answer a horrible experience. You cant answer speaks volumes. Deflecting is a sign of your submission. What's next I am a insane American with guns? Just answer honestly. Would you drop the perpetrator or would you just let them have their way. It's a simple question could you pull a trigger or would you just let them have their way. I would pull. I would say you wouldn't Now you know the difference between the US and the UK .
-I have answered you and given you loads of my time! No I wouldn't - and I wouldn't even have a gun! That's one huge difference between us, and thank God it is there! You can't just shove a gun in people's hands. A huge amount of American (where CHILDREN DIE all the time due to this kind of insane fetishism) would agree with me more passionately than I could. Guns kill kids. They find them they use them they get shot by them. Have you ever thought about it like that? Am I to say I'd shoot the people who stop gun control from happening over there? Because they are murderers in every sense of the word to me and so many of you guys too. But no, I wouldn't even shoot those utter scumbags. I don't believe in taking other people's lives. I believe in legal systems and in both traditional and progressive imprisonment, to attempt to prevent further crime and make it more affordable.
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"This is starting to sound like a fetish . Nope you just can't answer a horrible experience. You cant answer speaks volumes. Deflecting is a sign of your submission. What's next I am a insane American with guns? Just answer honestly. Would you drop the perpetrator or would you just let them have their way. It's a simple question could you pull a trigger or would you just let them have their way. I would pull. I would say you wouldn't Now you know the difference between the US and the UK .
-I have answered you and given you loads of my time! No I wouldn't - and I wouldn't even have a gun! That's one huge difference between us, and thank God it is there! You can't just shove a gun in people's hands. A huge amount of American (where CHILDREN DIE all the time due to this kind of insane fetishism) would agree with me more passionately than I could. Guns kill kids. They find them they use them they get shot by them. Have you ever thought about it like that? Am I to say I'd shoot the people who stop gun control from happening over there? Because they are murderers in every sense of the word to me and so many of you guys too. But no, I wouldn't even shoot those utter scumbags. I don't believe in taking other people's lives. I believe in legal systems and in both traditional and progressive imprisonment, to attempt to prevent further crime and make it more affordable.
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"I had a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia in the early 90s. He told me some stories. One was of this mannequin figure hung high above a street he use to walk through every day. Well its what he thought was a mannequin. Turned out it was a body of a executed criminal on display to deter other potential criminals. Another of how he was persuaded by friends to go to a public beheading. How the experience made him physically sick and unable to keep food down for days. Going by the posts here. Looks like that's the sort of society our posters want to live in. When someone's brain has become so dysfunctional, it makes their adult body rap and kill innocent children. Then yes. I strongly believe the best cure is that brain needs removing from the neck. -Says the 'sadist' TV who wants to drink the pee of females captured in medieval bondage devices. What happens when people issue this level of judgementalism towards you? I've had messages before telling me exactly what should happen to me. Don't tell me you haven't had them too. I'm wondering if you're not getting yourself off on all this, the American to to be frank. How many times can you just repeat the same gross stuff? pt " My fetishes and fantasies ARE consensual. They are also all harmless, only conducted by a Mistress I would totally trust. The two are worlds apart. | |||
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"I had a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia in the early 90s. He told me some stories. One was of this mannequin figure hung high above a street he use to walk through every day. Well its what he thought was a mannequin. Turned out it was a body of a executed criminal on display to deter other potential criminals. Another of how he was persuaded by friends to go to a public beheading. How the experience made him physically sick and unable to keep food down for days. Going by the posts here. Looks like that's the sort of society our posters want to live in. When someone's brain has become so dysfunctional, it makes their adult body rap and kill innocent children. Then yes. I strongly believe the best cure is that brain needs removing from the neck. Thank you " -Kid, you're just 25, make love not war. Believe in what society can do and keep your nose clean and on your face. Violence simply breeds violence. These people are not role models at all. pt | |||
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"Children lives don't matter the criminal does. Life in prison is acceptable. Yet that child hasn't experienced life. Fuck off anything involving children they deserve a bullet. Peace. Step into my house you will fuck around and find out with my loved ones . I know you idiots will point out mass shootings. I say let's give them public executions as to show the carnage to others they caused. It would make anyone think before they act. " As has been said time and time again, executions do not work. Not even the grosser public ones of the past! Have you been banned from posting in America or something? Surely you have outlets there that better-fit your bullet-crazy outlook than here. It didn't look to me like you'd even read this particular story properly - it's just been kill, kill, kill. Semi-automatic, you might say. pt | |||
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