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"*munches popcorn*" Can we share please? 
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"*munches popcorn*" That was my first thought : Popcorn | |||
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"A person with XX chromosone. People can identify as what ever gender they like. Id do my best to use somebodies preferred pronouns. But I think DNA matters.It objective not subjective. If DNA didn't matter then all world records in woman's sport would be broken by trans women and that would diminish a biological woman's rights. " What about XXY genotype? XO? XYY? All comparatively common  | |||
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"A person with XX chromosone. People can identify as what ever gender they like. Id do my best to use somebodies preferred pronouns. But I think DNA matters.It objective not subjective. If DNA didn't matter then all world records in woman's sport would be broken by trans women and that would diminish a biological woman's rights. " The sporting community are actively working around this to hopefully find a happy resolution for all engaging... Are you active in the sporting community? | |||
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"How do intersex people fit into this?" That is an exception isn't it. A genetic mutation. | |||
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"How do intersex people fit into this? That is an exception isn't it. A genetic mutation. " Well, if you said just XX, then no. Fortunately we don't live in such a black and white world. Even if it is a problem in professional sport, that shouldn't translate to anywhere else. The culture wars against trans people are fucking disgusting. | |||
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"How do intersex people fit into this? That is an exception isn't it. A genetic mutation. Well, if you said just XX, then no. Fortunately we don't live in such a black and white world. Even if it is a problem in professional sport, that shouldn't translate to anywhere else. The culture wars against trans people are fucking disgusting." These days you're not allowed to have a view without people saying you have Ill intent. You can respect people as a human being even if you hold a different view about something personal. What about the woman who still had a penis, was in prison for abusing a woamn and then got put in a woman's prison? And at what point does someone who identifies as a woman be allowed in a woman's changing room? It's not as straight forward as saying if you tell people you identity as a woman you are one. It can't be as subjective as that (in my opinion). | |||
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"An adult who identified as a woman." Is it only adults who can choose their identify? | |||
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"How do intersex people fit into this? That is an exception isn't it. A genetic mutation. Well, if you said just XX, then no. Fortunately we don't live in such a black and white world. Even if it is a problem in professional sport, that shouldn't translate to anywhere else. The culture wars against trans people are fucking disgusting. These days you're not allowed to have a view without people saying you have Ill intent. You can respect people as a human being even if you hold a different view about something personal. What about the woman who still had a penis, was in prison for abusing a woamn and then got put in a woman's prison? And at what point does someone who identifies as a woman be allowed in a woman's changing room? It's not as straight forward as saying if you tell people you identity as a woman you are one. It can't be as subjective as that (in my opinion). " Ok, good for you. I don't know any solution that wouldn't cause disproportionate harm (how are any of these things policed?). I also don't know why the focus is on a tiny minority when the vast majority of perpetrators of most crimes, statistically, are cisgender men. (No, not men in dresses or men who claim to be trans. Just men.) Funnily, no one ever suggests attaching restrictions where the harm is. They go after a tiny minority. | |||
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" Ok, good for you. I don't know any solution that wouldn't cause disproportionate harm (how are any of these things policed?). I also don't know why the focus is on a tiny minority when the vast majority of perpetrators of most crimes, statistically, are cisgender men. (No, not men in dresses or men who claim to be trans. Just men.) Funnily, no one ever suggests attaching restrictions where the harm is. They go after a tiny minority." 100%. Also I love you.
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"*munches popcorn*" I have some from another thread but I also have cheesecake, have a spoon and lets get tucked straight into the good stuff. | |||
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"John Lennon once wrote a song about a woman. "To be fair... he wrote a lot of different songs about many different women | |||
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"How do intersex people fit into this? That is an exception isn't it. A genetic mutation. Well, if you said just XX, then no. Fortunately we don't live in such a black and white world. Even if it is a problem in professional sport, that shouldn't translate to anywhere else. The culture wars against trans people are fucking disgusting. These days you're not allowed to have a view without people saying you have Ill intent. You can respect people as a human being even if you hold a different view about something personal. What about the woman who still had a penis, was in prison for abusing a woamn and then got put in a woman's prison? And at what point does someone who identifies as a woman be allowed in a woman's changing room? It's not as straight forward as saying if you tell people you identity as a woman you are one. It can't be as subjective as that (in my opinion). Ok, good for you. I don't know any solution that wouldn't cause disproportionate harm (how are any of these things policed?). I also don't know why the focus is on a tiny minority when the vast majority of perpetrators of most crimes, statistically, are cisgender men. (No, not men in dresses or men who claim to be trans. Just men.) Funnily, no one ever suggests attaching restrictions where the harm is. They go after a tiny minority." Cisgender? | |||
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"An adult who identified as a woman. Is it only adults who can choose their identify? " If they're not an adult, they would be a girl rather than a woman... | |||
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"How do intersex people fit into this? That is an exception isn't it. A genetic mutation. Well, if you said just XX, then no. Fortunately we don't live in such a black and white world. Even if it is a problem in professional sport, that shouldn't translate to anywhere else. The culture wars against trans people are fucking disgusting. These days you're not allowed to have a view without people saying you have Ill intent. You can respect people as a human being even if you hold a different view about something personal. What about the woman who still had a penis, was in prison for abusing a woamn and then got put in a woman's prison? And at what point does someone who identifies as a woman be allowed in a woman's changing room? It's not as straight forward as saying if you tell people you identity as a woman you are one. It can't be as subjective as that (in my opinion). Ok, good for you. I don't know any solution that wouldn't cause disproportionate harm (how are any of these things policed?). I also don't know why the focus is on a tiny minority when the vast majority of perpetrators of most crimes, statistically, are cisgender men. (No, not men in dresses or men who claim to be trans. Just men.) Funnily, no one ever suggests attaching restrictions where the harm is. They go after a tiny minority. Cisgender?" CIS = Comfortable in Skin. Cisgender means a person who identifies as they were assigned at birth. Cal | |||
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"How do intersex people fit into this? That is an exception isn't it. A genetic mutation. Well, if you said just XX, then no. Fortunately we don't live in such a black and white world. Even if it is a problem in professional sport, that shouldn't translate to anywhere else. The culture wars against trans people are fucking disgusting. These days you're not allowed to have a view without people saying you have Ill intent. You can respect people as a human being even if you hold a different view about something personal. What about the woman who still had a penis, was in prison for abusing a woamn and then got put in a woman's prison? And at what point does someone who identifies as a woman be allowed in a woman's changing room? It's not as straight forward as saying if you tell people you identity as a woman you are one. It can't be as subjective as that (in my opinion). Ok, good for you. I don't know any solution that wouldn't cause disproportionate harm (how are any of these things policed?). I also don't know why the focus is on a tiny minority when the vast majority of perpetrators of most crimes, statistically, are cisgender men. (No, not men in dresses or men who claim to be trans. Just men.) Funnily, no one ever suggests attaching restrictions where the harm is. They go after a tiny minority. Cisgender? CIS = Comfortable in Skin. Cisgender means a person who identifies as they were assigned at birth. Cal" Thanks pal I thought we was just male or female etc kinda don't get the need say that persons cisgender it's like it's a man or it's a lady | |||
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"How do intersex people fit into this? That is an exception isn't it. A genetic mutation. Well, if you said just XX, then no. Fortunately we don't live in such a black and white world. Even if it is a problem in professional sport, that shouldn't translate to anywhere else. The culture wars against trans people are fucking disgusting. These days you're not allowed to have a view without people saying you have Ill intent. You can respect people as a human being even if you hold a different view about something personal. What about the woman who still had a penis, was in prison for abusing a woamn and then got put in a woman's prison? And at what point does someone who identifies as a woman be allowed in a woman's changing room? It's not as straight forward as saying if you tell people you identity as a woman you are one. It can't be as subjective as that (in my opinion). Ok, good for you. I don't know any solution that wouldn't cause disproportionate harm (how are any of these things policed?). I also don't know why the focus is on a tiny minority when the vast majority of perpetrators of most crimes, statistically, are cisgender men. (No, not men in dresses or men who claim to be trans. Just men.) Funnily, no one ever suggests attaching restrictions where the harm is. They go after a tiny minority. Cisgender? CIS = Comfortable in Skin. Cisgender means a person who identifies as they were assigned at birth. Cal Thanks pal I thought we was just male or female etc kinda don't get the need say that persons cisgender it's like it's a man or it's a lady " Without going into too much detail as i am no means a expert but gender identity is on a spectrum and doesnt fall into the traditional binary (male and female) spectrum. Often some people will fall somewhere between the two and then prefer to identify as non binary for example and use different pronouns to match how they feel about themselves | |||
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"How do intersex people fit into this? That is an exception isn't it. A genetic mutation. Well, if you said just XX, then no. Fortunately we don't live in such a black and white world. Even if it is a problem in professional sport, that shouldn't translate to anywhere else. The culture wars against trans people are fucking disgusting. These days you're not allowed to have a view without people saying you have Ill intent. You can respect people as a human being even if you hold a different view about something personal. What about the woman who still had a penis, was in prison for abusing a woamn and then got put in a woman's prison? And at what point does someone who identifies as a woman be allowed in a woman's changing room? It's not as straight forward as saying if you tell people you identity as a woman you are one. It can't be as subjective as that (in my opinion). Ok, good for you. I don't know any solution that wouldn't cause disproportionate harm (how are any of these things policed?). I also don't know why the focus is on a tiny minority when the vast majority of perpetrators of most crimes, statistically, are cisgender men. (No, not men in dresses or men who claim to be trans. Just men.) Funnily, no one ever suggests attaching restrictions where the harm is. They go after a tiny minority. Cisgender? CIS = Comfortable in Skin. Cisgender means a person who identifies as they were assigned at birth. Cal Thanks pal I thought we was just male or female etc kinda don't get the need say that persons cisgender it's like it's a man or it's a lady " Agree hate the term CIS I’m just a man not cis man. If people can demand correct pronouns being used then we should be able to demand not to be called CIS | |||
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"A female is a person that can carry children during pregnancy a female has ovaries, (Eggs) a womb, Fallopian tubes, a Uterus, and ovulation, the hormone estrogen. a man that has altered the external part of his body to look like a woman "I hate this term trans woman" does not have any of those he is not a woman he is a MAN and produces testosterone. I guess this post is talking about that subject. " Erm I don’t have a womb, fallopian tubes or a uterus (you know womb and uterus are the same thing, right?) what does that make me? I’ve no penis or testicles either! Am I even real?  | |||
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"A female is a person that can carry children during pregnancy a female has ovaries, (Eggs) a womb, Fallopian tubes, a Uterus, and ovulation, the hormone estrogen. a man that has altered the external part of his body to look like a woman "I hate this term trans woman" does not have any of those he is not a woman he is a MAN and produces testosterone. I guess this post is talking about that subject. Erm I don’t have a womb, fallopian tubes or a uterus (you know womb and uterus are the same thing, right?) what does that make me? I’ve no penis or testicles either! Am I even real? "were you born with these things listed? If yes you are a woman. | |||
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"How do intersex people fit into this? That is an exception isn't it. A genetic mutation. Well, if you said just XX, then no. Fortunately we don't live in such a black and white world. Even if it is a problem in professional sport, that shouldn't translate to anywhere else. The culture wars against trans people are fucking disgusting. These days you're not allowed to have a view without people saying you have Ill intent. You can respect people as a human being even if you hold a different view about something personal. What about the woman who still had a penis, was in prison for abusing a woamn and then got put in a woman's prison? And at what point does someone who identifies as a woman be allowed in a woman's changing room? It's not as straight forward as saying if you tell people you identity as a woman you are one. It can't be as subjective as that (in my opinion). Ok, good for you. I don't know any solution that wouldn't cause disproportionate harm (how are any of these things policed?). I also don't know why the focus is on a tiny minority when the vast majority of perpetrators of most crimes, statistically, are cisgender men. (No, not men in dresses or men who claim to be trans. Just men.) Funnily, no one ever suggests attaching restrictions where the harm is. They go after a tiny minority. Cisgender? CIS = Comfortable in Skin. Cisgender means a person who identifies as they were assigned at birth. Cal Thanks pal I thought we was just male or female etc kinda don't get the need say that persons cisgender it's like it's a man or it's a lady " generally, there is only a need to include the Cisgender label when discussing gender identities. In a discussion about men identifying as women so they can go into the female changing rooms for example. Cal | |||
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"A female is a person that can carry children during pregnancy a female has ovaries, (Eggs) a womb, Fallopian tubes, a Uterus, and ovulation, the hormone estrogen. a man that has altered the external part of his body to look like a woman "I hate this term trans woman" does not have any of those he is not a woman he is a MAN and produces testosterone. I guess this post is talking about that subject. Erm I don’t have a womb, fallopian tubes or a uterus (you know womb and uterus are the same thing, right?) what does that make me? I’ve no penis or testicles either! Am I even real? "Green arrow him fluffy, he may have hidden desires. You sexy intellgent, independant, free thinking, sexualy confident woman you.  | |||
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"A female is a person that can carry children during pregnancy a female has ovaries, (Eggs) a womb, Fallopian tubes, a Uterus, and ovulation, the hormone estrogen. a man that has altered the external part of his body to look like a woman "I hate this term trans woman" does not have any of those he is not a woman he is a MAN and produces testosterone. I guess this post is talking about that subject. Erm I don’t have a womb, fallopian tubes or a uterus (you know womb and uterus are the same thing, right?) what does that make me? I’ve no penis or testicles either! Am I even real?
were you born with these things listed? If yes you are a woman. "What about a person who was not born with those things but has had surgery and hormones to give them boobies, reduce their body hair, remove their penis and testicles and now look like a woman? | |||
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"A female is a person that can carry children during pregnancy a female has ovaries, (Eggs) a womb, Fallopian tubes, a Uterus, and ovulation, the hormone estrogen. a man that has altered the external part of his body to look like a woman "I hate this term trans woman" does not have any of those he is not a woman he is a MAN and produces testosterone. I guess this post is talking about that subject. Erm I don’t have a womb, fallopian tubes or a uterus (you know womb and uterus are the same thing, right?) what does that make me? I’ve no penis or testicles either! Am I even real? Green arrow him fluffy, he may have hidden desires. You sexy intellgent, independant, free thinking, sexualy confident woman you. "Haha I like you  | |||
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"A female is a person that can carry children during pregnancy a female has ovaries, (Eggs) a womb, Fallopian tubes, a Uterus, and ovulation, the hormone estrogen. a man that has altered the external part of his body to look like a woman "I hate this term trans woman" does not have any of those he is not a woman he is a MAN and produces testosterone. I guess this post is talking about that subject. Erm I don’t have a womb, fallopian tubes or a uterus (you know womb and uterus are the same thing, right?) what does that make me? I’ve no penis or testicles either! Am I even real?
were you born with these things listed? If yes you are a woman. "I have a friend who was born without a womb. Birth defect. I'll have to inform her she's not a woman. She'll be devastated. | |||
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"How do intersex people fit into this? That is an exception isn't it. A genetic mutation. Well, if you said just XX, then no. Fortunately we don't live in such a black and white world. Even if it is a problem in professional sport, that shouldn't translate to anywhere else. The culture wars against trans people are fucking disgusting. These days you're not allowed to have a view without people saying you have Ill intent. You can respect people as a human being even if you hold a different view about something personal. What about the woman who still had a penis, was in prison for abusing a woamn and then got put in a woman's prison? And at what point does someone who identifies as a woman be allowed in a woman's changing room? It's not as straight forward as saying if you tell people you identity as a woman you are one. It can't be as subjective as that (in my opinion). Ok, good for you. I don't know any solution that wouldn't cause disproportionate harm (how are any of these things policed?). I also don't know why the focus is on a tiny minority when the vast majority of perpetrators of most crimes, statistically, are cisgender men. (No, not men in dresses or men who claim to be trans. Just men.) Funnily, no one ever suggests attaching restrictions where the harm is. They go after a tiny minority. Cisgender? CIS = Comfortable in Skin. Cisgender means a person who identifies as they were assigned at birth. Cal Thanks pal I thought we was just male or female etc kinda don't get the need say that persons cisgender it's like it's a man or it's a lady Agree hate the term CIS I’m just a man not cis man. If people can demand correct pronouns being used then we should be able to demand not to be called CIS " In the context of discussing trans people, it's a way to distinguish between trans people and not trans people. No one used it about you specifically, it's just a category. And yes, pronouns (a choice) and a factual category (not a choice) are entirely the same. | |||
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"A female is a person that can carry children during pregnancy a female has ovaries, (Eggs) a womb, Fallopian tubes, a Uterus, and ovulation, the hormone estrogen. a man that has altered the external part of his body to look like a woman "I hate this term trans woman" does not have any of those he is not a woman he is a MAN and produces testosterone. I guess this post is talking about that subject. Erm I don’t have a womb, fallopian tubes or a uterus (you know womb and uterus are the same thing, right?) what does that make me? I’ve no penis or testicles either! Am I even real?
were you born with these things listed? If yes you are a woman.
I have a friend who was born without a womb. Birth defect.
I'll have to inform her she's not a woman. She'll be devastated."Will I no longer be a woman after my hysterectomy?! Crumbs  | |||
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"A female is a person that can carry children during pregnancy a female has ovaries, (Eggs) a womb, Fallopian tubes, a Uterus, and ovulation, the hormone estrogen. a man that has altered the external part of his body to look like a woman "I hate this term trans woman" does not have any of those he is not a woman he is a MAN and produces testosterone. I guess this post is talking about that subject. Erm I don’t have a womb, fallopian tubes or a uterus (you know womb and uterus are the same thing, right?) what does that make me? I’ve no penis or testicles either! Am I even real?
were you born with these things listed? If yes you are a woman.
I have a friend who was born without a womb. Birth defect.
I'll have to inform her she's not a woman. She'll be devastated.
Will I no longer be a woman after my hysterectomy?! Crumbs "Certain groups conveniently don't give a fuck about these things  | |||
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"A female is a person that can carry children during pregnancy a female has ovaries, (Eggs) a womb, Fallopian tubes, a Uterus, and ovulation, the hormone estrogen. a man that has altered the external part of his body to look like a woman "I hate this term trans woman" does not have any of those he is not a woman he is a MAN and produces testosterone. I guess this post is talking about that subject. Erm I don’t have a womb, fallopian tubes or a uterus (you know womb and uterus are the same thing, right?) what does that make me? I’ve no penis or testicles either! Am I even real?
were you born with these things listed? If yes you are a woman.
I have a friend who was born without a womb. Birth defect.
I'll have to inform her she's not a woman. She'll be devastated.
Will I no longer be a woman after my hysterectomy?! Crumbs
Certain groups conveniently don't give a fuck about these things "I wonder how I'll identify afterwards, if this is true  | |||
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"An adult who identified as a woman." Even if they have a todger? That'll be a great pretender. | |||
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"A female is a person that can carry children during pregnancy a female has ovaries, (Eggs) a womb, Fallopian tubes, a Uterus, and ovulation, the hormone estrogen. a man that has altered the external part of his body to look like a woman "I hate this term trans woman" does not have any of those he is not a woman he is a MAN and produces testosterone. I guess this post is talking about that subject. Erm I don’t have a womb, fallopian tubes or a uterus (you know womb and uterus are the same thing, right?) what does that make me? I’ve no penis or testicles either! Am I even real?
were you born with these things listed? If yes you are a woman.
I have a friend who was born without a womb. Birth defect.
I'll have to inform her she's not a woman. She'll be devastated.
Will I no longer be a woman after my hysterectomy?! Crumbs
Certain groups conveniently don't give a fuck about these things
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"A non binary enters the chat…" I feel too old for enbies. Not like, enbies shouldn't exist, but there are people who identify as men, those who identify as women, and... Those people I don't understand (I'm not one of those people who shuns that I don't understand ) | |||
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"Trans-chauvanism is at play in the debate. Female to male trans people are rarely the ones getting shitty towards women or trying to enter women's sport. Male entitlement is at the heart of it. Ms" Why would people who identify as men enter women's sport? | |||
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"Trans-chauvanism is at play in the debate. Female to male trans people are rarely the ones getting shitty towards women or trying to enter women's sport. Male entitlement is at the heart of it. Ms Why would people who identify as men enter women's sport?" I think you know exactly what I mean and, like you I am entitled to my opinion. Just because someone identifies as something does not make it a true | |||
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"Trans-chauvanism is at play in the debate. Female to male trans people are rarely the ones getting shitty towards women or trying to enter women's sport. Male entitlement is at the heart of it. Ms" This is confusing as hell. | |||
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"Trans-chauvanism is at play in the debate. Female to male trans people are rarely the ones getting shitty towards women or trying to enter women's sport. Male entitlement is at the heart of it. Ms" "Trans-chauvanism", brilliant. Another made up term. The male entitlement is from men in dresses, they are men. Trans is not a new sex, there are two & gender is an invention to appease them. | |||
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"Trans-chauvanism is at play in the debate. Female to male trans people are rarely the ones getting shitty towards women or trying to enter women's sport. Male entitlement is at the heart of it. Ms Why would people who identify as men enter women's sport? I think you know exactly what I mean and, like you I am entitled to my opinion. Just because someone identifies as something does not make it a true" I mean sure, anyone can believe anything they like, but your reasoning is incoherent. | |||
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"Trans-chauvanism is at play in the debate. Female to male trans people are rarely the ones getting shitty towards women or trying to enter women's sport. Male entitlement is at the heart of it. Ms "Trans-chauvanism", brilliant. Another made up term. The male entitlement is from men in dresses, they are men. Trans is not a new sex, there are two & gender is an invention to appease them. " Societies have discussed multiple genders for millennia, but nope. Modern groups says only one plus one because that was the way they were taught in primary school, goddamn it | |||
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"A person with XX chromosone. People can identify as what ever gender they like. Id do my best to use somebodies preferred pronouns. But I think DNA matters.It objective not subjective. If DNA didn't matter then all world records in woman's sport would be broken by trans women and that would diminish a biological woman's rights. What about XXY genotype? XO? XYY? All comparatively common "Yes the 1 in 500-1000 diagnosed with this condition should be included. Adapting to new science is vital but I agree protecting biological women’s rights are far more important than individual freedom of expression | |||
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"A non binary enters the chat… I feel too old for enbies. Not like, enbies shouldn't exist, but there are people who identify as men, those who identify as women, and... Those people I don't understand (I'm not one of those people who shuns that I don't understand )"Nothing really to understand, just know I don’t identify with all the male characteristics | |||
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""Goddam it"? Modern groups or ancient groups can't change the facts of biology, there are men or women. Men can pretend to be women & vice versa but it's is a pretence pure & simply that. There is no argument on those facts but plenty are deluding themselves." Do women ever "pretend" to be men? | |||
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""Goddam it"? Modern groups or ancient groups can't change the facts of biology, there are men or women. Men can pretend to be women & vice versa but it's is a pretence pure & simply that. There is no argument on those facts but plenty are deluding themselves." Do you believe gender and sex are the same then? If so then fair enough, you’re entitled to your opinion. | |||
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"It always bemuses me that those who get so wrought up by MTF trans people rarely seem to display the same hysterical reaction to FTM trans people. Even my own trans son has said how much more difficult it is for his MTF friends, while he goes about his daily business rarely raising an eyebrow" Exactly! | |||
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"I've never needed to define a woman to myself or others, why do we need to do it now, what's changed?" Quite a few things E.g sports, (biological) women’s only spaces | |||
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Nothing really to understand, just know I don’t identify with all the male characteristics "Fair enough 
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""Goddam it"? Modern groups or ancient groups can't change the facts of biology, there are men or women. Men can pretend to be women & vice versa but it's is a pretence pure & simply that. There is no argument on those facts but plenty are deluding themselves." Weird that, because the actual medical professionals and gender counsellors that my son has seen every month for the last 5 years are confident that he's neither pretending nor deluded | |||
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"It always bemuses me that those who get so wrought up by MTF trans people rarely seem to display the same hysterical reaction to FTM trans people. Even my own trans son has said how much more difficult it is for his MTF friends, while he goes about his daily business rarely raising an eyebrow" 100%! | |||
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"A person with XX chromosone. People can identify as what ever gender they like. Id do my best to use somebodies preferred pronouns. But I think DNA matters.It objective not subjective. If DNA didn't matter then all world records in woman's sport would be broken by trans women and that would diminish a biological woman's rights. " You’re not that god awful Posie Parker in disguise are you? | |||
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""Goddam it"? Modern groups or ancient groups can't change the facts of biology, there are men or women. Men can pretend to be women & vice versa but it's is a pretence pure & simply that. There is no argument on those facts but plenty are deluding themselves. Weird that, because the actual medical professionals and gender counsellors that my son has seen every month for the last 5 years are confident that he's neither pretending nor deluded "I wish him and your family peace | |||
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"A person with XX chromosone. People can identify as what ever gender they like. Id do my best to use somebodies preferred pronouns. But I think DNA matters.It objective not subjective. If DNA didn't matter then all world records in woman's sport would be broken by trans women and that would diminish a biological woman's rights. You’re not that god awful Posie Parker in disguise are you? " How about debate their points rather than trying to insult? | |||
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"Trans-chauvanism is at play in the debate. Female to male trans people are rarely the ones getting shitty towards women or trying to enter women's sport. Male entitlement is at the heart of it. Ms Why would people who identify as men enter women's sport?" Google Rachel McKinnon, did a phd in lying , arguing ‘ that in special contexts, we can lie’ lived as a man until 29 failed to win anything in men’s cycling and then became a woman and quickly became world champion. | |||
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"A person with a womb, weather it works or not" What if you've been careless and lost your womb though?! e | |||
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""Goddam it"? Modern groups or ancient groups can't change the facts of biology, there are men or women. Men can pretend to be women & vice versa but it's is a pretence pure & simply that. There is no argument on those facts but plenty are deluding themselves. Weird that, because the actual medical professionals and gender counsellors that my son has seen every month for the last 5 years are confident that he's neither pretending nor deluded
I wish him and your family peace"We've been so lucky. Great counsellors, superb support from his school, and his peers are just THE best | |||
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"A person with a womb, weather it works or not" And people with XX chromosomes can be born with no womb. Also people with Turner syndrome (XO) are usually assigned female at birth but usually have no womb....... | |||
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"A person with a womb, weather it works or not What if you've been careless and lost your womb though?! e"Think they should have put “that is typically born with a womb.” | |||
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"Trans-chauvanism is at play in the debate. Female to male trans people are rarely the ones getting shitty towards women or trying to enter women's sport. Male entitlement is at the heart of it. Ms Why would people who identify as men enter women's sport? Google Rachel McKinnon, did a phd in lying , arguing ‘ that in special contexts, we can lie’ lived as a man until 29 failed to win anything in men’s cycling and then became a woman and quickly became world champion." Ok But I mean, the anti trans arguments rely on these anecdotes rather than existing widespread harms, so I'm not exactly taken by "one person did this, therefore". If the aim is protecting people, then why not focus on where evidence exists of widespread harm being caused? Which, I'll remind everyone, is cis men? If all trans people can be demonised because one or two trans people did something, why can't we protect ourselves from the threat of thousands of documented cases in cis men (or people who live as men who have M on their birth certificate, if correct language offends you)? | |||
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"A person with XX chromosone. People can identify as what ever gender they like. Id do my best to use somebodies preferred pronouns. But I think DNA matters.It objective not subjective. If DNA didn't matter then all world records in woman's sport would be broken by trans women and that would diminish a biological woman's rights. You’re not that god awful Posie Parker in disguise are you? How about debate their points rather than trying to insult?" I’ve actually known her for over 17 years - have even shared a hotel room with her. She knows my views J x | |||
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"A person with XX chromosone. People can identify as what ever gender they like. Id do my best to use somebodies preferred pronouns. But I think DNA matters.It objective not subjective. If DNA didn't matter then all world records in woman's sport would be broken by trans women and that would diminish a biological woman's rights. You’re not that god awful Posie Parker in disguise are you? How about debate their points rather than trying to insult? I’ve actually known her for over 17 years - have even shared a hotel room with her. She knows my views J x" You’ve known the person you’ve quoted in this thread 17 years? | |||
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"Can’t beat a bit of Trans exclusion/ Transphobia in the forums to start the weekend. "Can’t say I’ve seen much of either in this thread. | |||
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"Can’t beat a bit of Trans exclusion/ Transphobia in the forums to start the weekend. "Mmhm | |||
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"Can’t beat a bit of Trans exclusion/ Transphobia in the forums to start the weekend.
Can’t say I’ve seen much of either in this thread."Welp. | |||
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"A person with XX chromosone. People can identify as what ever gender they like. Id do my best to use somebodies preferred pronouns. But I think DNA matters.It objective not subjective. If DNA didn't matter then all world records in woman's sport would be broken by trans women and that would diminish a biological woman's rights. You’re not that god awful Posie Parker in disguise are you? How about debate their points rather than trying to insult? I’ve actually known her for over 17 years - have even shared a hotel room with her. She knows my views J x You’ve known the person you’ve quoted in this thread 17 years?" Yes I have - well before she took on the pseudonym. I don’t have to agree with what she says | |||
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"I've never needed to define a woman to myself or others, why do we need to do it now, what's changed? Quite a few things E.g sports, (biological) women’s only spaces" The definition of a woman hasn't changed though? | |||
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"Can’t beat a bit of Trans exclusion/ Transphobia in the forums to start the weekend.
Can’t say I’ve seen much of either in this thread.
Welp. "I mean welp away | |||
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"A person with XX chromosone. People can identify as what ever gender they like. Id do my best to use somebodies preferred pronouns. But I think DNA matters.It objective not subjective. If DNA didn't matter then all world records in woman's sport would be broken by trans women and that would diminish a biological woman's rights. You’re not that god awful Posie Parker in disguise are you? How about debate their points rather than trying to insult? I’ve actually known her for over 17 years - have even shared a hotel room with her. She knows my views J x You’ve known the person you’ve quoted in this thread 17 years? Yes I have - well before she took on the pseudonym. I don’t have to agree with what she says " That makes a little more sense, but no one here knows that and you haven’t added anything to the debate, just attempted to insult. | |||
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"I've never needed to define a woman to myself or others, why do we need to do it now, what's changed? Quite a few things E.g sports, (biological) women’s only spaces The definition of a woman hasn't changed though?" Then what is the definition? | |||
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"Pretty simple to define if you don't care about all the PC shit. " Most of the people who "don't care" manage to exclude lots of people they'd think are women | |||
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"Do you want me to rap, anyone? Lift the mood a bit? No" finally! Someone that gets my references. | |||
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"Do you want me to rap, anyone? Lift the mood a bit? No finally! Someone that gets my references. "Get off my lawn | |||
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"I've never needed to define a woman to myself or others, why do we need to do it now, what's changed? Quite a few things E.g sports, (biological) women’s only spaces The definition of a woman hasn't changed though? Then what is the definition?" It will be in the dictionary or medical journals, our science bods are very good, they've being doing this stuff for centuries. I believe in science | |||
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Quite happy using term trans woman over woman when talking to people that ask / need to know, though all my legal markers are female
Can’t say I really come across agro / issues in day to life / travelling / working for over a decade now …
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"I've never needed to define a woman to myself or others, why do we need to do it now, what's changed? Quite a few things E.g sports, (biological) women’s only spaces The definition of a woman hasn't changed though? Then what is the definition? It will be in the dictionary or medical journals, our science bods are very good, they've being doing this stuff for centuries. I believe in science "So I ask again what the definition is… | |||
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"Trans woman here of some 15 years
Quite happy using term trans woman over woman when talking to people that ask / need to know, though all my legal markers are female
Can’t say I really come across agro / issues in day to life / travelling / working for over a decade now …
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"Do you want me to rap, anyone? Lift the mood a bit? No finally! Someone that gets my references.
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"Do you want me to rap, anyone? Lift the mood a bit? No finally! Someone that gets my references.
Get off my lawn
Not happy, Jan?"Never
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"I've never needed to define a woman to myself or others, why do we need to do it now, what's changed? Quite a few things E.g sports, (biological) women’s only spaces The definition of a woman hasn't changed though? Then what is the definition? It will be in the dictionary or medical journals, our science bods are very good, they've being doing this stuff for centuries. I believe in science
So I ask again what the definition is…"What it says in the Collins dictionary: "A woman is an adult female human being" Sounds about right to me. | |||
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" And some don’t have the issues but are jumping on the latest social justice bandwagon " So much this! ^^ | |||
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"I've never needed to define a woman to myself or others, why do we need to do it now, what's changed? Quite a few things E.g sports, (biological) women’s only spaces The definition of a woman hasn't changed though? Then what is the definition? It will be in the dictionary or medical journals, our science bods are very good, they've being doing this stuff for centuries. I believe in science
So I ask again what the definition is…
What it says in the Collins dictionary: "A woman is an adult female human being"
Sounds about right to me. "If you’re going off dictionary definitions you therefore have to agree this is also correct (Cambridge dictionary): “an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth” | |||
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"I'm feeling like my useful contribution to this subject is not appreciated "I see you | |||
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"I’ve got it, I’ve got it!!!! Is it the person who makes the packed lunches in the morning "If they don’t pack a Tunnocks then they identify as a twat. | |||
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"I'm feeling like my useful contribution to this subject is not appreciated
I see you "Aww fanks... I mean... it was hilarious and everything. | |||
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"Trans woman here of some 15 years
Quite happy using term trans woman over woman when talking to people that ask / need to know, though all my legal markers are female
Can’t say I really come across agro / issues in day to life / travelling / working for over a decade now …
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"Trans woman here of some 15 years
Quite happy using term trans woman over woman when talking to people that ask / need to know, though all my legal markers are female
Can’t say I really come across agro / issues in day to life / travelling / working for over a decade now …
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"I've never needed to define a woman to myself or others, why do we need to do it now, what's changed? Quite a few things E.g sports, (biological) women’s only spaces The definition of a woman hasn't changed though? Then what is the definition? It will be in the dictionary or medical journals, our science bods are very good, they've being doing this stuff for centuries. I believe in science
So I ask again what the definition is…
What it says in the Collins dictionary: "A woman is an adult female human being"
Sounds about right to me.
If you’re going off dictionary definitions you therefore have to agree this is also correct (Cambridge dictionary):
“an adult who lives and identifies as female though they may have been said to have a different sex at birth”"Introducing the subjectivities in authorities? Oh no! (Oh yes I dig it) | |||
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"I've never needed to define a woman to myself or others, why do we need to do it now, what's changed? Quite a few things E.g sports, (biological) women’s only spaces The definition of a woman hasn't changed though? Then what is the definition? It will be in the dictionary or medical journals, our science bods are very good, they've being doing this stuff for centuries. I believe in science
So I ask again what the definition is…
What it says in the Collins dictionary: "A woman is an adult female human being"
Sounds about right to me.
If you’re going off dictionary definitions you therefore have to agree this is also correct (Cambridge dictionary):
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"Trans woman here of some 15 years
Quite happy using term trans woman over woman when talking to people that ask / need to know, though all my legal markers are female
Can’t say I really come across agro / issues in day to life / travelling / working for over a decade now …
These threads are always entertaining
This right here says it all for me.
And I’m with you on the entertaining part "Fab forums are truly the gift that keeps on giving. It’s a great source of comical value reading so baby dickheads on here or people melting down | |||
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"I’ve got it, I’ve got it!!!! Is it the person who makes the packed lunches in the morning
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"This subject always seems to go the same way. People are trying to explain their side but are responded to by trans lobbyists with insults, lies, half-truths and nonsense posts deliberately trying to fill the thread until it reaches capacity. Bullying has never been a good basis for honest discussion. Bess x" Can just open a new one up once closed. I will as I find it a really interesting debate from both sides. | |||
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