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"So me a work colleague were taking about Mr Musk. And well my work colleague thinks he is genius. Yet he paid 44 billion dollars for a company(Twitter) that was haemorrhaging money. For the past few years it just was not making money at all. However Mr Musk has now given Tucker Carlson a platform on Twitter. Now I'm not judgemental on anyone due to their political beliefs. But Tucker supported Trump all the way regarding his constant rant that the election was was a fake. Yet the courts have rulled against Fox news(and indirectly Trump's lies). And fox news knew all along Trump had lost fair and square yet they kept on lying to their viewers. Hence they settled out of court to pay $780 million! When something is clearly 'black' or 'white' then how much clealer can that be? Yet some people(Trump and other's) will deny that the sun is out or that it's night fall. If this is not the mind of a person going off the rails then what is? Yet Mr Musk is fully supportive of this madness. I mean if this happened in England would Mr Johson(just an example) still be in office? Seriously.... " It's called Freedom of speech. | |||
"So me a work colleague were taking about Mr Musk. And well my work colleague thinks he is genius. Yet he paid 44 billion dollars for a company(Twitter) that was haemorrhaging money. For the past few years it just was not making money at all. However Mr Musk has now given Tucker Carlson a platform on Twitter. Now I'm not judgemental on anyone due to their political beliefs. But Tucker supported Trump all the way regarding his constant rant that the election was was a fake. Yet the courts have rulled against Fox news(and indirectly Trump's lies). And fox news knew all along Trump had lost fair and square yet they kept on lying to their viewers. Hence they settled out of court to pay $780 million! When something is clearly 'black' or 'white' then how much clealer can that be? Yet some people(Trump and other's) will deny that the sun is out or that it's night fall. If this is not the mind of a person going off the rails then what is? Yet Mr Musk is fully supportive of this madness. I mean if this happened in England would Mr Johson(just an example) still be in office? Seriously.... It's called Freedom of speech." Is there a difference between 'freedom of speech' and deception? | |||
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"Elon*" I thought we were talking about his youngest sister, Ellen. | |||
"So me a work colleague were taking about Mr Musk. And well my work colleague thinks he is genius. Yet he paid 44 billion dollars for a company(Twitter) that was haemorrhaging money. For the past few years it just was not making money at all. However Mr Musk has now given Tucker Carlson a platform on Twitter. Now I'm not judgemental on anyone due to their political beliefs. But Tucker supported Trump all the way regarding his constant rant that the election was was a fake. Yet the courts have rulled against Fox news(and indirectly Trump's lies). And fox news knew all along Trump had lost fair and square yet they kept on lying to their viewers. Hence they settled out of court to pay $780 million! When something is clearly 'black' or 'white' then how much clealer can that be? Yet some people(Trump and other's) will deny that the sun is out or that it's night fall. If this is not the mind of a person going off the rails then what is? Yet Mr Musk is fully supportive of this madness. I mean if this happened in England would Mr Johson(just an example) still be in office? Seriously.... It's called Freedom of speech. Is there a difference between 'freedom of speech' and deception? " Yes you can just move on from both. You do not have to read anything put out. That's entirely up to you and no one else. | |||
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"When something is clearly 'black' or 'white'" In my experience, nothing is every truly Black and White or cut and dried as much as people think. There are always shades of nuance and uncertainty. It is quite delightful to pick apart those shades and shine a light on them, and reframe people's opinions.  | |||
"Now I'm not judgemental on anyone due to their political beliefs. " Something tells me that is not quite true ….  | |||
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"Elon* I thought we were talking about his youngest sister, Ellen. " I was wondering if it was a new fragrance | |||
"So me a work colleague were taking about Mr Musk. And well my work colleague thinks he is genius. Yet he paid 44 billion dollars for a company(Twitter) that was haemorrhaging money. For the past few years it just was not making money at all. However Mr Musk has now given Tucker Carlson a platform on Twitter. Now I'm not judgemental on anyone due to their political beliefs. But Tucker supported Trump all the way regarding his constant rant that the election was was a fake. Yet the courts have rulled against Fox news(and indirectly Trump's lies). And fox news knew all along Trump had lost fair and square yet they kept on lying to their viewers. Hence they settled out of court to pay $780 million! When something is clearly 'black' or 'white' then how much clealer can that be? Yet some people(Trump and other's) will deny that the sun is out or that it's night fall. If this is not the mind of a person going off the rails then what is? Yet Mr Musk is fully supportive of this madness. I mean if this happened in England would Mr Johson(just an example) still be in office? Seriously.... It's called Freedom of speech." -But total freedom of speech has never existed anywhere. Society is by very-definition a trade-off of various freedoms for law and order. Total freedom of speech can only exist in total anarchy. People have never been able to say more than they do today, they just very-lazily don't like to be held-up on it ("you can't say anything any more.... "without someone holding you up on it." should always be added!) This often-vexation is largely due to falsely seeing it as a 'Human Right' to openly opine on whatever we want. People are just wrong here. Yes, losing the freedom for basic dissent is a lack of 'human rights' (and one that concerns Amnesty Intl etc), but not having 'total freedom' of speech to say whatever we want means diddly squat and always has. Because nobody has ever had itm Not even in the USA. Even when in some areas they could hang black people just for existing, there were things they couldn't say over there (Like Black people don't deserve life and should be hung for example). If Freedom of Speech was so all-encompassing in America, their constitution (with all its amendments) wouldn't be so huge. Twitter is a business that is based almost entirely on advertising revenue. It was never designed for total free speech, but some people falsely seem to think it was. Twitter realised it had the 'fundamental flaw' of empowering (to the point of over-empowering) the already seriously empowered in particular, and so they eventually took measures in certain areas where famous people seriously abused that power. Musk reversed a lot of the decisions entirely to provoke. He knows that all attention can be deemed 'good' attention in these matters. And of course he doesn't deeply care - it's not going to bankrupt him whatever he does. --pt | |||
"So me a work colleague were taking about Mr Musk. And well my work colleague thinks he is genius. Yet he paid 44 billion dollars for a company(Twitter) that was haemorrhaging money. For the past few years it just was not making money at all. However Mr Musk has now given Tucker Carlson a platform on Twitter. Now I'm not judgemental on anyone due to their political beliefs. But Tucker supported Trump all the way regarding his constant rant that the election was was a fake. Yet the courts have rulled against Fox news(and indirectly Trump's lies). And fox news knew all along Trump had lost fair and square yet they kept on lying to their viewers. Hence they settled out of court to pay $780 million! When something is clearly 'black' or 'white' then how much clealer can that be? Yet some people(Trump and other's) will deny that the sun is out or that it's night fall. If this is not the mind of a person going off the rails then what is? Yet Mr Musk is fully supportive of this madness. I mean if this happened in England would Mr Johson(just an example) still be in office? Seriously.... It's called Freedom of speech. -But total freedom of speech has never existed anywhere. Society is by very-definition a trade-off of various freedoms for law and order. Total freedom of speech can only exist in total anarchy. People have never been able to say more than they do today, they just very-lazily don't like to be held-up on it ("you can't say anything any more.... "without someone holding you up on it." should always be added!) This often-vexation is largely due to falsely seeing it as a 'Human Right' to openly opine on whatever we want. People are just wrong here. Yes, losing the freedom for basic dissent is a lack of 'human rights' (and one that concerns Amnesty Intl etc), but not having 'total freedom' of speech to say whatever we want means diddly squat and always has. Because nobody has ever had itm Not even in the USA. Even when in some areas they could hang black people just for existing, there were things they couldn't say over there (Like Black people don't deserve life and should be hung for example). If Freedom of Speech was so all-encompassing in America, their constitution (with all its amendments) wouldn't be so huge. Twitter is a business that is based almost entirely on advertising revenue. It was never designed for total free speech, but some people falsely seem to think it was. Twitter realised it had the 'fundamental flaw' of empowering (to the point of over-empowering) the already seriously empowered in particular, and so they eventually took measures in certain areas where famous people seriously abused that power. Musk reversed a lot of the decisions entirely to provoke. He knows that all attention can be deemed 'good' attention in these matters. And of course he doesn't deeply care - it's not going to bankrupt him whatever he does. --pt" 44 billion dollars won't bankrupt him? A big part of the billions was a loan he got from the bank to buy Twitter. It wasn't all his own money. So he will have to start paying it off. Yet he killed Twitters main revenue, which is advertising. So from a business view it's not very bright. | |||
"So me a work colleague were taking about Mr Musk. And well my work colleague thinks he is genius. Yet he paid 44 billion dollars for a company(Twitter) that was haemorrhaging money. For the past few years it just was not making money at all. However Mr Musk has now given Tucker Carlson a platform on Twitter. Now I'm not judgemental on anyone due to their political beliefs. But Tucker supported Trump all the way regarding his constant rant that the election was was a fake. Yet the courts have rulled against Fox news(and indirectly Trump's lies). And fox news knew all along Trump had lost fair and square yet they kept on lying to their viewers. Hence they settled out of court to pay $780 million! When something is clearly 'black' or 'white' then how much clealer can that be? Yet some people(Trump and other's) will deny that the sun is out or that it's night fall. If this is not the mind of a person going off the rails then what is? Yet Mr Musk is fully supportive of this madness. I mean if this happened in England would Mr Johson(just an example) still be in office? Seriously.... It's called Freedom of speech. -But total freedom of speech has never existed anywhere. Society is by very-definition a trade-off of various freedoms for law and order. Total freedom of speech can only exist in total anarchy. People have never been able to say more than they do today, they just very-lazily don't like to be held-up on it ("you can't say anything any more.... "without someone holding you up on it." should always be added!) This often-vexation is largely due to falsely seeing it as a 'Human Right' to openly opine on whatever we want. People are just wrong here. Yes, losing the freedom for basic dissent is a lack of 'human rights' (and one that concerns Amnesty Intl etc), but not having 'total freedom' of speech to say whatever we want means diddly squat and always has. Because nobody has ever had itm Not even in the USA. Even when in some areas they could hang black people just for existing, there were things they couldn't say over there (Like Black people don't deserve life and should be hung for example). If Freedom of Speech was so all-encompassing in America, their constitution (with all its amendments) wouldn't be so huge. Twitter is a business that is based almost entirely on advertising revenue. It was never designed for total free speech, but some people falsely seem to think it was. Twitter realised it had the 'fundamental flaw' of empowering (to the point of over-empowering) the already seriously empowered in particular, and so they eventually took measures in certain areas where famous people seriously abused that power. Musk reversed a lot of the decisions entirely to provoke. He knows that all attention can be deemed 'good' attention in these matters. And of course he doesn't deeply care - it's not going to bankrupt him whatever he does. --pt 44 billion dollars won't bankrupt him? A big part of the billions was a loan he got from the bank to buy Twitter. It wasn't all his own money. So he will have to start paying it off. Yet he killed Twitters main revenue, which is advertising. So from a business view it's not very bright. " lol his rocket blew up and he shrugged it off. | |||
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"Elon* I thought we were talking about his youngest sister, Ellen. " Ha ha I thought that too | |||
"So me a work colleague were taking about Mr Musk. And well my work colleague thinks he is genius. Yet he paid 44 billion dollars for a company(Twitter) that was haemorrhaging money. For the past few years it just was not making money at all. However Mr Musk has now given Tucker Carlson a platform on Twitter. Now I'm not judgemental on anyone due to their political beliefs. But Tucker supported Trump all the way regarding his constant rant that the election was was a fake. Yet the courts have rulled against Fox news(and indirectly Trump's lies). And fox news knew all along Trump had lost fair and square yet they kept on lying to their viewers. Hence they settled out of court to pay $780 million! When something is clearly 'black' or 'white' then how much clealer can that be? Yet some people(Trump and other's) will deny that the sun is out or that it's night fall. If this is not the mind of a person going off the rails then what is? Yet Mr Musk is fully supportive of this madness. I mean if this happened in England would Mr Johson(just an example) still be in office? Seriously.... It's called Freedom of speech. -But total freedom of speech has never existed anywhere. Society is by very-definition a trade-off of various freedoms for law and order. Total freedom of speech can only exist in total anarchy. People have never been able to say more than they do today, they just very-lazily don't like to be held-up on it ("you can't say anything any more.... "without someone holding you up on it." should always be added!) This often-vexation is largely due to falsely seeing it as a 'Human Right' to openly opine on whatever we want. People are just wrong here. Yes, losing the freedom for basic dissent is a lack of 'human rights' (and one that concerns Amnesty Intl etc), but not having 'total freedom' of speech to say whatever we want means diddly squat and always has. Because nobody has ever had itm Not even in the USA. Even when in some areas they could hang black people just for existing, there were things they couldn't say over there (Like Black people don't deserve life and should be hung for example). If Freedom of Speech was so all-encompassing in America, their constitution (with all its amendments) wouldn't be so huge. Twitter is a business that is based almost entirely on advertising revenue. It was never designed for total free speech, but some people falsely seem to think it was. Twitter realised it had the 'fundamental flaw' of empowering (to the point of over-empowering) the already seriously empowered in particular, and so they eventually took measures in certain areas where famous people seriously abused that power. Musk reversed a lot of the decisions entirely to provoke. He knows that all attention can be deemed 'good' attention in these matters. And of course he doesn't deeply care - it's not going to bankrupt him whatever he does. --pt 44 billion dollars won't bankrupt him? A big part of the billions was a loan he got from the bank to buy Twitter. It wasn't all his own money. So he will have to start paying it off. Yet he killed Twitters main revenue, which is advertising. So from a business view it's not very bright. " Do you really think he invested and purchased Twitter to make money ? He doesn't need more money. He is very clever and wise, his motivations are not business when it comes to Twitter. | |||
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"So me a work colleague were taking about Mr Musk. And well my work colleague thinks he is genius. Yet he paid 44 billion dollars for a company(Twitter) that was haemorrhaging money. For the past few years it just was not making money at all. However Mr Musk has now given Tucker Carlson a platform on Twitter. Now I'm not judgemental on anyone due to their political beliefs. But Tucker supported Trump all the way regarding his constant rant that the election was was a fake. Yet the courts have rulled against Fox news(and indirectly Trump's lies). And fox news knew all along Trump had lost fair and square yet they kept on lying to their viewers. Hence they settled out of court to pay $780 million! When something is clearly 'black' or 'white' then how much clealer can that be? Yet some people(Trump and other's) will deny that the sun is out or that it's night fall. If this is not the mind of a person going off the rails then what is? Yet Mr Musk is fully supportive of this madness. I mean if this happened in England would Mr Johson(just an example) still be in office? Seriously.... It's called Freedom of speech. -But total freedom of speech has never existed anywhere. Society is by very-definition a trade-off of various freedoms for law and order. Total freedom of speech can only exist in total anarchy. People have never been able to say more than they do today, they just very-lazily don't like to be held-up on it ("you can't say anything any more.... "without someone holding you up on it." should always be added!) This often-vexation is largely due to falsely seeing it as a 'Human Right' to openly opine on whatever we want. People are just wrong here. Yes, losing the freedom for basic dissent is a lack of 'human rights' (and one that concerns Amnesty Intl etc), but not having 'total freedom' of speech to say whatever we want means diddly squat and always has. Because nobody has ever had itm Not even in the USA. Even when in some areas they could hang black people just for existing, there were things they couldn't say over there (Like Black people don't deserve life and should be hung for example). If Freedom of Speech was so all-encompassing in America, their constitution (with all its amendments) wouldn't be so huge. Twitter is a business that is based almost entirely on advertising revenue. It was never designed for total free speech, but some people falsely seem to think it was. Twitter realised it had the 'fundamental flaw' of empowering (to the point of over-empowering) the already seriously empowered in particular, and so they eventually took measures in certain areas where famous people seriously abused that power. Musk reversed a lot of the decisions entirely to provoke. He knows that all attention can be deemed 'good' attention in these matters. And of course he doesn't deeply care - it's not going to bankrupt him whatever he does. --pt 44 billion dollars won't bankrupt him? A big part of the billions was a loan he got from the bank to buy Twitter. It wasn't all his own money. So he will have to start paying it off. Yet he killed Twitters main revenue, which is advertising. So from a business view it's not very bright. Do you really think he invested and purchased Twitter to make money ? He doesn't need more money. He is very clever and wise, his motivations are not business when it comes to Twitter. " If he doesn't need money then why go to the bank to get a loan? A very contradictory statement. | |||
"He's a bit of a G gotta admire him " How can you admire a man who has absolutely no respect for his employee's? Before he bought Twitter there were rumours of how bad he is towards his people. However after Twitter his true colours came out. | |||
"He's a bit of a G gotta admire him How can you admire a man who has absolutely no respect for his employee's? Before he bought Twitter there were rumours of how bad he is towards his people. However after Twitter his true colours came out. " You can admire people for something they do whilst despising them for other things. This idea that one facet of someone’s personality turns them into an angel or a monster is just naive. I admire Elon for his singleminded goal of getting to Mars. That is what he cares about and he has radically changed the way that we think about doing something like that. SpaceX is his real obsession. He will revolutionise the future of this planet. I would not want to work for him - his focus is just too intense and consuming. As for the twitter people: they were treated abysmally but that is US labour laws for you. I would also add that company was bloated and the quality of people there (in my experience) was generally pretty sub par relative to the industry. I am not surprised some one like Elon decided to get rid of them - just a shame it was so brutal. | |||
"He's a bit of a G gotta admire him How can you admire a man who has absolutely no respect for his employee's? Before he bought Twitter there were rumours of how bad he is towards his people. However after Twitter his true colours came out. " Couldn't give a fuck how he runs his companies there's always other jobs available for these people | |||
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"He's a bit of a G gotta admire him How can you admire a man who has absolutely no respect for his employee's? Before he bought Twitter there were rumours of how bad he is towards his people. However after Twitter his true colours came out. Couldn't give a fuck how he runs his companies there's always other jobs available for these people " You should apply to work at his tesla factory. That's where the rumours started. | |||
"He's a bit of a G gotta admire him How can you admire a man who has absolutely no respect for his employee's? Before he bought Twitter there were rumours of how bad he is towards his people. However after Twitter his true colours came out. Couldn't give a fuck how he runs his companies there's always other jobs available for these people You should apply to work at his tesla factory. That's where the rumours started. " Why should I? | |||
"He's a bit of a G gotta admire him How can you admire a man who has absolutely no respect for his employee's? Before he bought Twitter there were rumours of how bad he is towards his people. However after Twitter his true colours came out. Couldn't give a fuck how he runs his companies there's always other jobs available for these people You should apply to work at his tesla factory. That's where the rumours started. " It has been well known since the 90s that Musk works in a different way to most people - it has just become more widely known since his companies have become more widely known. He thinks in a fundamentally different way to the majority of people because he is neuro diverse and so his focus is not on employee well being or happiness but whether those people can help him achieve his goals. That is an approach that jars for many people (if not the majority) but it doesn’t mean that it is wrong - just that many find it distasteful. There are many people who find his mission driven approach works for them. There are many who don’t but if you work for him then you know what to expect. | |||
"He's a bit of a G gotta admire him How can you admire a man who has absolutely no respect for his employee's? Before he bought Twitter there were rumours of how bad he is towards his people. However after Twitter his true colours came out. Couldn't give a fuck how he runs his companies there's always other jobs available for these people You should apply to work at his tesla factory. That's where the rumours started. It has been well known since the 90s that Musk works in a different way to most people - it has just become more widely known since his companies have become more widely known. He thinks in a fundamentally different way to the majority of people because he is neuro diverse and so his focus is not on employee well being or happiness but whether those people can help him achieve his goals. That is an approach that jars for many people (if not the majority) but it doesn’t mean that it is wrong - just that many find it distasteful. There are many people who find his mission driven approach works for them. There are many who don’t but if you work for him then you know what to expect." About 4 years ago I worked for someone like Mr Musk. They are as cold and heartless as ice. | |||
"He's a bit of a G gotta admire him How can you admire a man who has absolutely no respect for his employee's? Before he bought Twitter there were rumours of how bad he is towards his people. However after Twitter his true colours came out. Couldn't give a fuck how he runs his companies there's always other jobs available for these people You should apply to work at his tesla factory. That's where the rumours started. It has been well known since the 90s that Musk works in a different way to most people - it has just become more widely known since his companies have become more widely known. He thinks in a fundamentally different way to the majority of people because he is neuro diverse and so his focus is not on employee well being or happiness but whether those people can help him achieve his goals. That is an approach that jars for many people (if not the majority) but it doesn’t mean that it is wrong - just that many find it distasteful. There are many people who find his mission driven approach works for them. There are many who don’t but if you work for him then you know what to expect. About 4 years ago I worked for someone like Mr Musk. They are as cold and heartless as ice. " You didn't work for him though did you, do you enjoy the fact that you can voice your opinion OP, do you just not like people voicing their opinions that you don't agree with? Elon Musc has helped various industries and created jibs, helped develop new technologies and because you don't like the fact that he bought Twitter and give someone you disagree with a voice, you don't like. I suggest you don't use Twitte, buy a Testla or use any technolgies developed by any of his companies, that is your freedom. | |||
"He's a bit of a G gotta admire him How can you admire a man who has absolutely no respect for his employee's? Before he bought Twitter there were rumours of how bad he is towards his people. However after Twitter his true colours came out. Couldn't give a fuck how he runs his companies there's always other jobs available for these people You should apply to work at his tesla factory. That's where the rumours started. It has been well known since the 90s that Musk works in a different way to most people - it has just become more widely known since his companies have become more widely known. He thinks in a fundamentally different way to the majority of people because he is neuro diverse and so his focus is not on employee well being or happiness but whether those people can help him achieve his goals. That is an approach that jars for many people (if not the majority) but it doesn’t mean that it is wrong - just that many find it distasteful. There are many people who find his mission driven approach works for them. There are many who don’t but if you work for him then you know what to expect." I think the particular way he treats Twitter staff is nothing to do with being neurodiverse. It doesn't excuse you from being a decent human being. He's been an arsehole in public to several people and I will judge him for it. | |||
"When something is clearly 'black' or 'white' In my experience, nothing is every truly Black and White or cut and dried as much as people think. There are always shades of nuance and uncertainty. It is quite delightful to pick apart those shades and shine a light on them, and reframe people's opinions. "Sometimes things are though. Look at Brexit. Go back online and read some of the total bullshit that was being circulated as 'fact' during the referendum campaigning. The complete fabrications of supposed 'new legjslation' due under the Lisbon Treaty that included the creation of a European Army, the loss of the vetos the UK had, that we were joining the Euro in 2022, that the LSE was moving to Frankfurt in 2020, that in 2022 the EU would become a federal superstate, that the UK would be included in the Shengen zone by 2022 and that Turkey were set to imminently join the EU. All complete bollocks, yet the fake news and memes were circulated by millions, influencing votes. The same happens during every election run up in the UK and the USA. Social media and the internet have been weaponised to push agendas using fake news, unsubstantiated 'facts' and complete fabrications that are believed to be true by many, who then go on to spread the bullshit further online like a virus. So things that are often black and white and irrefutable become camouflaged and hidden under a layer of crap. And sadly some will believe anything written on a screen by people willing to lie to make a dollar or achieve a personal goal. Misinformation is a fantastic tool to those with something to hide or no evidence to support a viewpoint. Distraction is the common tool of the UK government and has been for years. A | |||
"When something is clearly 'black' or 'white' In my experience, nothing is every truly Black and White or cut and dried as much as people think. There are always shades of nuance and uncertainty. It is quite delightful to pick apart those shades and shine a light on them, and reframe people's opinions.
Sometimes things are though.
Look at Brexit. Go back online and read some of the total bullshit that was being circulated as 'fact' during the referendum campaigning. The complete fabrications of supposed 'new legjslation' due under the Lisbon Treaty that included the creation of a European Army, the loss of the vetos the UK had, that we were joining the Euro in 2022, that the LSE was moving to Frankfurt in 2020, that in 2022 the EU would become a federal superstate, that the UK would be included in the Shengen zone by 2022 and that Turkey were set to imminently join the EU.
All complete bollocks, yet the fake news and memes were circulated by millions, influencing votes.
The same happens during every election run up in the UK and the USA.
Social media and the internet have been weaponised to push agendas using fake news, unsubstantiated 'facts' and complete fabrications that are believed to be true by many, who then go on to spread the bullshit further online like a virus.
So things that are often black and white and irrefutable become camouflaged and hidden under a layer of crap.
And sadly some will believe anything written on a screen by people willing to lie to make a dollar or achieve a personal goal. Misinformation is a fantastic tool to those with something to hide or no evidence to support a viewpoint. Distraction is the common tool of the UK government and has been for years.
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"Elon Musk use to be a haha funny meme guy, but now his part of the right wing pipeline & is also now cringe. Not to mention apparently the mass shooting in Texas the other day was supposedly inspired by Elon Musk & other Right wing twitter accounts, while having two Nazi tattoos. One on his chest & one on his arm " Oh wow I never knew about the nazi tattoos. That's is shocking. | |||
"Elon Musk use to be a haha funny meme guy, but now his part of the right wing pipeline & is also now cringe. Not to mention apparently the mass shooting in Texas the other day was supposedly inspired by Elon Musk & other Right wing twitter accounts, while having two Nazi tattoos. One on his chest & one on his arm " He is middle not rightwing and because someone was inspire by him doesn't make Elon Musk guitly of the same crime. | |||
"Elon Musk use to be a haha funny meme guy, but now his part of the right wing pipeline & is also now cringe. Not to mention apparently the mass shooting in Texas the other day was supposedly inspired by Elon Musk & other Right wing twitter accounts, while having two Nazi tattoos. One on his chest & one on his arm Oh wow I never knew about the nazi tattoos. That's is shocking. " Elon Musk does not have these tattoos. | |||
"Elon Musk use to be a haha funny meme guy, but now his part of the right wing pipeline & is also now cringe. Not to mention apparently the mass shooting in Texas the other day was supposedly inspired by Elon Musk & other Right wing twitter accounts, while having two Nazi tattoos. One on his chest & one on his arm Oh wow I never knew about the nazi tattoos. That's is shocking. Elon Musk does not have these tattoos." Yes I wouldn't have thought Mr Musk is a fascist or racist. | |||
"He's a bit of a G gotta admire him How can you admire a man who has absolutely no respect for his employee's? Before he bought Twitter there were rumours of how bad he is towards his people. However after Twitter his true colours came out. Couldn't give a fuck how he runs his companies there's always other jobs available for these people You should apply to work at his tesla factory. That's where the rumours started. It has been well known since the 90s that Musk works in a different way to most people - it has just become more widely known since his companies have become more widely known. He thinks in a fundamentally different way to the majority of people because he is neuro diverse and so his focus is not on employee well being or happiness but whether those people can help him achieve his goals. That is an approach that jars for many people (if not the majority) but it doesn’t mean that it is wrong - just that many find it distasteful. There are many people who find his mission driven approach works for them. There are many who don’t but if you work for him then you know what to expect. I think the particular way he treats Twitter staff is nothing to do with being neurodiverse. It doesn't excuse you from being a decent human being. He's been an arsehole in public to several people and I will judge him for it. " I didn’t say he wasn’t an arsehole - just that he is driven by a different set of thinking to most people. This is what actual diversity looks like. | |||
"So me a work colleague were taking about Mr Musk. And well my work colleague thinks he is genius. Yet he paid 44 billion dollars for a company(Twitter) that was haemorrhaging money. For the past few years it just was not making money at all. However Mr Musk has now given Tucker Carlson a platform on Twitter. Now I'm not judgemental on anyone due to their political beliefs. But Tucker supported Trump all the way regarding his constant rant that the election was was a fake. Yet the courts have rulled against Fox news(and indirectly Trump's lies). And fox news knew all along Trump had lost fair and square yet they kept on lying to their viewers. Hence they settled out of court to pay $780 million! When something is clearly 'black' or 'white' then how much clealer can that be? Yet some people(Trump and other's) will deny that the sun is out or that it's night fall. If this is not the mind of a person going off the rails then what is? Yet Mr Musk is fully supportive of this madness. I mean if this happened in England would Mr Johson(just an example) still be in office? Seriously.... It's called Freedom of speech. ------But total freedom of speech has never existed anywhere. Society is by very-definition a trade-off of various freedoms for law and order. Total freedom of speech can only exist in total anarchy. People have never been able to say more than they do today, they just very-lazily don't like to be held-up on it ("you can't say anything any more.... "without someone holding you up on it." should always be added!) This often-vexation is largely due to falsely seeing it as a 'Human Right' to openly opine on whatever we want. People are just wrong here. Yes, losing the freedom for basic dissent is a lack of 'human rights' (and one that concerns Amnesty Intl etc), but not having 'total freedom' of speech to say whatever we want means diddly squat and always has. Because nobody has ever had itm Not even in the USA. Even when in some areas they could hang black people just for existing, there were things they couldn't say over there (Like Black people don't deserve life and should be hung for example). If Freedom of Speech was so all-encompassing in America, their constitution (with all its amendments) wouldn't be so huge. Twitter is a business that is based almost entirely on advertising revenue. It was never designed for total free speech, but some people falsely seem to think it was. Twitter realised it had the 'fundamental flaw' of empowering (to the point of over-empowering) the already seriously empowered in particular, and so they eventually took measures in certain areas where famous people seriously abused that power. Musk reversed a lot of the decisions entirely to provoke. He knows that all attention can be deemed 'good' attention in these matters. And of course he doesn't deeply care - it's not going to bankrupt him whatever he does. ---pt 44 billion dollars won't bankrupt him? A big part of the billions was a loan he got from the bank to buy Twitter. It wasn't all his own money. So he will have to start paying it off. Yet he killed Twitters main revenue, which is advertising. So from a business view it's not very bright. " ---No it won't bankrupt him personally. -pt | |||
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"I think Elon musk knows what he's doing" Yes that seems to be the thought. Is there method in his madness? | |||
"I think Elon musk knows what he's doing" ---The problem is that when you are super-powerful, 'knowing what you are doing' can include 'making it up as you go along' - as Musk has pretty-much admitted to in his rebuilding of Twitter. It's similar to Trump's style of politics and I don't like it at all. It's not necessarily radical or clever, it's primarily egotistical and others always seem to lose along the way. I don't personally think he'll ever get someone on mars. But does it matter? He's so rich he can try more or less whatever he wants. ---pt | |||
"I think Elon musk knows what he's doing ---The problem is that when you are super-powerful, 'knowing what you are doing' can include 'making it up as you go along' - as Musk has pretty-much admitted to in his rebuilding of Twitter. It's similar to Trump's style of politics and I don't like it at all. It's not necessarily radical or clever, it's primarily egotistical and others always seem to lose along the way. I don't personally think he'll ever get someone on mars. But does it matter? He's so rich he can try more or less whatever he wants. ---pt" I think if he can get the Super Heavy to work then he will put someone on Mars within the next 10 years. I don’t see any reason that the Super Heavy and Starship can’t be made to work as there is nothing that is technically beyond current knowledge - it’s “just” engineering problems which he is an excellent leader at. Whether he will get those people back again - I have no idea. | |||
"I think Elon musk knows what he's doing ---The problem is that when you are super-powerful, 'knowing what you are doing' can include 'making it up as you go along' - as Musk has pretty-much admitted to in his rebuilding of Twitter. It's similar to Trump's style of politics and I don't like it at all. It's not necessarily radical or clever, it's primarily egotistical and others always seem to lose along the way. I don't personally think he'll ever get someone on mars. But does it matter? He's so rich he can try more or less whatever he wants. ---pt" Musk is setting up the infrastructure for Mars, he may or may not be alive for the first visit but that isn't his goal. His goal is to provide the means for humans to get onto Mars with the tools and equipment to build an infrastructure there. He blows my mind in his forward thinking! Everything he is investing in is part of the overall puzzle to achieve his goals and well worth spending sometime looking into how his investments are linked to the goal. Genius in his approach and very exciting to someone like me. | |||
"I think Elon musk knows what he's doing ---The problem is that when you are super-powerful, 'knowing what you are doing' can include 'making it up as you go along' - as Musk has pretty-much admitted to in his rebuilding of Twitter. It's similar to Trump's style of politics and I don't like it at all. It's not necessarily radical or clever, it's primarily egotistical and others always seem to lose along the way. I don't personally think he'll ever get someone on mars. But does it matter? He's so rich he can try more or less whatever he wants. ---pt Musk is setting up the infrastructure for Mars, he may or may not be alive for the first visit but that isn't his goal. His goal is to provide the means for humans to get onto Mars with the tools and equipment to build an infrastructure there. He blows my mind in his forward thinking! Everything he is investing in is part of the overall puzzle to achieve his goals and well worth spending sometime looking into how his investments are linked to the goal. Genius in his approach and very exciting to someone like me. " ---You sound like you've just never read much science or science fiction mate. People have been talking of colonising mars since the 19c.----pt | |||
"I think Elon musk knows what he's doing ---The problem is that when you are super-powerful, 'knowing what you are doing' can include 'making it up as you go along' - as Musk has pretty-much admitted to in his rebuilding of Twitter. It's similar to Trump's style of politics and I don't like it at all. It's not necessarily radical or clever, it's primarily egotistical and others always seem to lose along the way. I don't personally think he'll ever get someone on mars. But does it matter? He's so rich he can try more or less whatever he wants. ---pt Musk is setting up the infrastructure for Mars, he may or may not be alive for the first visit but that isn't his goal. His goal is to provide the means for humans to get onto Mars with the tools and equipment to build an infrastructure there. He blows my mind in his forward thinking! Everything he is investing in is part of the overall puzzle to achieve his goals and well worth spending sometime looking into how his investments are linked to the goal. Genius in his approach and very exciting to someone like me. " Mr Musk has invested in a solar panel roof tiles and an underground tunnel for cars, both of which have thus far been a bit of a disaster. And that's just 2 we are told about. | |||
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"I think Elon musk knows what he's doing ---The problem is that when you are super-powerful, 'knowing what you are doing' can include 'making it up as you go along' - as Musk has pretty-much admitted to in his rebuilding of Twitter. It's similar to Trump's style of politics and I don't like it at all. It's not necessarily radical or clever, it's primarily egotistical and others always seem to lose along the way. I don't personally think he'll ever get someone on mars. But does it matter? He's so rich he can try more or less whatever he wants. ---pt Musk is setting up the infrastructure for Mars, he may or may not be alive for the first visit but that isn't his goal. His goal is to provide the means for humans to get onto Mars with the tools and equipment to build an infrastructure there. He blows my mind in his forward thinking! Everything he is investing in is part of the overall puzzle to achieve his goals and well worth spending sometime looking into how his investments are linked to the goal. Genius in his approach and very exciting to someone like me. ---You sound like you've just never read much science or science fiction mate. People have been talking of colonising mars since the 19c.----pt" It might sound like science fiction but Musk is turning it into Science fact. Even with all of his wealth he knows he can't personally fund this project to Mars, hence setting up of businesses that produce the tech and also attract investment to make it happen even after his death. Look at Starlink, this will become bigger and a cash cow, and will fund his satellite and rocket business, also needed for fast comms and logistics for Mars. Don't take my word for it, look into it | |||
"I think Elon musk knows what he's doing ---The problem is that when you are super-powerful, 'knowing what you are doing' can include 'making it up as you go along' - as Musk has pretty-much admitted to in his rebuilding of Twitter. It's similar to Trump's style of politics and I don't like it at all. It's not necessarily radical or clever, it's primarily egotistical and others always seem to lose along the way. I don't personally think he'll ever get someone on mars. But does it matter? He's so rich he can try more or less whatever he wants. ---pt Musk is setting up the infrastructure for Mars, he may or may not be alive for the first visit but that isn't his goal. His goal is to provide the means for humans to get onto Mars with the tools and equipment to build an infrastructure there. He blows my mind in his forward thinking! Everything he is investing in is part of the overall puzzle to achieve his goals and well worth spending sometime looking into how his investments are linked to the goal. Genius in his approach and very exciting to someone like me. ---You sound like you've just never read much science or science fiction mate. People have been talking of colonising mars since the 19c.----pt" Notme is spot on with his analysis - Musk himself has said this is his goal many times. I agree that many have talked about in sci-go but for the first time we have the potential capability to achieve it. This is the bit where science fiction becomes reality. | |||
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"Sci-go = sci fi - once Musk has gotten to Mars maybe he can sort out autocorrect!" | |||
"I think Elon musk knows what he's doing ---The problem is that when you are super-powerful, 'knowing what you are doing' can include 'making it up as you go along' - as Musk has pretty-much admitted to in his rebuilding of Twitter. It's similar to Trump's style of politics and I don't like it at all. It's not necessarily radical or clever, it's primarily egotistical and others always seem to lose along the way. I don't personally think he'll ever get someone on mars. But does it matter? He's so rich he can try more or less whatever he wants. ---pt Musk is setting up the infrastructure for Mars, he may or may not be alive for the first visit but that isn't his goal. His goal is to provide the means for humans to get onto Mars with the tools and equipment to build an infrastructure there. He blows my mind in his forward thinking! Everything he is investing in is part of the overall puzzle to achieve his goals and well worth spending sometime looking into how his investments are linked to the goal. Genius in his approach and very exciting to someone like me. ---You sound like you've just never read much science or science fiction mate. People have been talking of colonising mars since the 19c.----pt It might sound like science fiction but Musk is turning it into Science fact. Even with all of his wealth he knows he can't personally fund this project to Mars, hence setting up of businesses that produce the tech and also attract investment to make it happen even after his death. Look at Starlink, this will become bigger and a cash cow, and will fund his satellite and rocket business, also needed for fast comms and logistics for Mars. Don't take my word for it, look into it" ----I'm not taking your word for it. I follow scientific developments, and Musk has shown nothing that qualifies as a scientific advancement yet. He's simply putting a lot of his money into working towards it. But people who know about science will know that doing that of course guarantees nothing at all. And the trial and error method (not a bad thing in itself) will eventually prove probatively costly unless progressions are actually made. Electric cars and planet colonisation are two very different things. Pt | |||
" ---You sound like you've just never read much science or science fiction mate. People have been talking of colonising mars since the 19c.----pt It might sound like science fiction but Musk is turning it into Science fact. Even with all of his wealth he knows he can't personally fund this project to Mars, hence setting up of businesses that produce the tech and also attract investment to make it happen even after his death. Look at Starlink, this will become bigger and a cash cow, and will fund his satellite and rocket business, also needed for fast comms and logistics for Mars. Don't take my word for it, look into it ----I'm not taking your word for it. I follow scientific developments, and Musk has shown nothing that qualifies as a scientific advancement yet. He's simply putting a lot of his money into working towards it. But people who know about science will know that doing that of course guarantees nothing at all. And the trial and error method (not a bad thing in itself) will eventually prove probatively costly unless progressions are actually made. Electric cars and planet colonisation are two very different things. Pt" He is an engineer not a scientist. He is clearly solving problems in an engineering orientated manner. The electric related projects are part of a holistic capability to build generation and power capability and skills for other planets. With the exception of twitter (which is a mad outlier) everything else is clearly aimed at putting together skills and capabilities for space exploration and colonisation. | |||
" ---You sound like you've just never read much science or science fiction mate. People have been talking of colonising mars since the 19c.----pt It might sound like science fiction but Musk is turning it into Science fact. Even with all of his wealth he knows he can't personally fund this project to Mars, hence setting up of businesses that produce the tech and also attract investment to make it happen even after his death. Look at Starlink, this will become bigger and a cash cow, and will fund his satellite and rocket business, also needed for fast comms and logistics for Mars. Don't take my word for it, look into it ----I'm not taking your word for it. I follow scientific developments, and Musk has shown nothing that qualifies as a scientific advancement yet. He's simply putting a lot of his money into working towards it. But people who know about science will know that doing that of course guarantees nothing at all. And the trial and error method (not a bad thing in itself) will eventually prove probatively costly unless progressions are actually made. Electric cars and planet colonisation are two very different things. Pt He is an engineer not a scientist. He is clearly solving problems in an engineering orientated manner. The electric related projects are part of a holistic capability to build generation and power capability and skills for other planets. With the exception of twitter (which is a mad outlier) everything else is clearly aimed at putting together skills and capabilities for space exploration and colonisation." Exactly this, the capabilities will be limited at first along with some failure but each iteration will drive the capabilities to the point of being useful to the end goal. The genius is the funding and advancement through product. | |||
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"Is Ellen his wife? " Is it? I didn't know that. | |||
"Is Ellen his wife? Is it? I didn't know that." -we've had sister, then daughter, then 'sex change', now wife.. what next? It's great to know people do clearly read these threads lol. pt | |||
"Is Ellen his wife? Is it? I didn't know that. -we've had sister, then daughter, then 'sex change', now wife.. what next? It's great to know people do clearly read these threads lol. pt" Step sister? | |||
" ---You sound like you've just never read much science or science fiction mate. People have been talking of colonising mars since the 19c.----pt It might sound like science fiction but Musk is turning it into Science fact. Even with all of his wealth he knows he can't personally fund this project to Mars, hence setting up of businesses that produce the tech and also attract investment to make it happen even after his death. Look at Starlink, this will become bigger and a cash cow, and will fund his satellite and rocket business, also needed for fast comms and logistics for Mars. Don't take my word for it, look into it ----I'm not taking your word for it. I follow scientific developments, and Musk has shown nothing that qualifies as a scientific advancement yet. He's simply putting a lot of his money into working towards it. But people who know about science will know that doing that of course guarantees nothing at all. And the trial and error method (not a bad thing in itself) will eventually prove probatively costly unless progressions are actually made. Electric cars and planet colonisation are two very different things. Pt He is an engineer not a scientist. He is clearly solving problems in an engineering orientated manner. The electric related projects are part of a holistic capability to build generation and power capability and skills for other planets. With the exception of twitter (which is a mad outlier) everything else is clearly aimed at putting together skills and capabilities for space exploration and colonisation." ----- But it's *physics* that gets us into space - analytical, experimental and theoretical. The science isn't there yet, and in general (despite certain inventions) it's been crawling for decades. Musk is hoping to land upon physical discoveries, but most often they are discovered in the mind, and then worked on with the ingenuity of the brilliant scientists who envisioned them. Musk is a private concern working off his own back. He's an employer, ultimately. The world is actually full of people like this (just look at qbits, genetics and energy), and yes Musk has more money and possibly more ambition than the rest. But those things really are only part of any remotely-completable picture. pt | |||
" ---You sound like you've just never read much science or science fiction mate. People have been talking of colonising mars since the 19c.----pt It might sound like science fiction but Musk is turning it into Science fact. Even with all of his wealth he knows he can't personally fund this project to Mars, hence setting up of businesses that produce the tech and also attract investment to make it happen even after his death. Look at Starlink, this will become bigger and a cash cow, and will fund his satellite and rocket business, also needed for fast comms and logistics for Mars. Don't take my word for it, look into it ----I'm not taking your word for it. I follow scientific developments, and Musk has shown nothing that qualifies as a scientific advancement yet. He's simply putting a lot of his money into working towards it. But people who know about science will know that doing that of course guarantees nothing at all. And the trial and error method (not a bad thing in itself) will eventually prove probatively costly unless progressions are actually made. Electric cars and planet colonisation are two very different things. Pt He is an engineer not a scientist. He is clearly solving problems in an engineering orientated manner. The electric related projects are part of a holistic capability to build generation and power capability and skills for other planets. With the exception of twitter (which is a mad outlier) everything else is clearly aimed at putting together skills and capabilities for space exploration and colonisation. ----- But it's *physics* that gets us into space - analytical, experimental and theoretical. The science isn't there yet, and in general (despite certain inventions) it's been crawling for decades. Musk is hoping to land upon physical discoveries, but most often they are discovered in the mind, and then worked on with the ingenuity of the brilliant scientists who envisioned them. Musk is a private concern working off his own back. He's an employer, ultimately. The world is actually full of people like this (just look at qbits, genetics and energy), and yes Musk has more money and possibly more ambition than the rest. But those things really are only part of any remotely-completable picture. pt" You have said it science is not there yet, what is missing that is not being worked on by Musk's scientists? in 10 years from now quantum computing will be defining the fabric of next level science and I'm positive the application of that will be something Musk will invested in. What Musk is doing today is building technologies and enhancing those technologies for future use, and cleverly selling the advancements to keep the money rolling in, because it will take far more money than Musk has to complete this project. | |||
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" ---You sound like you've just never read much science or science fiction mate. People have been talking of colonising mars since the 19c.----pt It might sound like science fiction but Musk is turning it into Science fact. Even with all of his wealth he knows he can't personally fund this project to Mars, hence setting up of businesses that produce the tech and also attract investment to make it happen even after his death. Look at Starlink, this will become bigger and a cash cow, and will fund his satellite and rocket business, also needed for fast comms and logistics for Mars. Don't take my word for it, look into it ----I'm not taking your word for it. I follow scientific developments, and Musk has shown nothing that qualifies as a scientific advancement yet. He's simply putting a lot of his money into working towards it. But people who know about science will know that doing that of course guarantees nothing at all. And the trial and error method (not a bad thing in itself) will eventually prove probatively costly unless progressions are actually made. Electric cars and planet colonisation are two very different things. Pt He is an engineer not a scientist. He is clearly solving problems in an engineering orientated manner. The electric related projects are part of a holistic capability to build generation and power capability and skills for other planets. With the exception of twitter (which is a mad outlier) everything else is clearly aimed at putting together skills and capabilities for space exploration and colonisation. ----- But it's *physics* that gets us into space - analytical, experimental and theoretical. The science isn't there yet, and in general (despite certain inventions) it's been crawling for decades. Musk is hoping to land upon physical discoveries, but most often they are discovered in the mind, and then worked on with the ingenuity of the brilliant scientists who envisioned them. Musk is a private concern working off his own back. He's an employer, ultimately. The world is actually full of people like this (just look at qbits, genetics and energy), and yes Musk has more money and possibly more ambition than the rest. But those things really are only part of any remotely-completable picture. pt You have said it science is not there yet, what is missing that is not being worked on by Musk's scientists? in 10 years from now quantum computing will be defining the fabric of next level science and I'm positive the application of that will be something Musk will invested in. What Musk is doing today is building technologies and enhancing those technologies for future use, and cleverly selling the advancements to keep the money rolling in, because it will take far more money than Musk has to complete this project. " ---What technologies? AI? He doesn't even like it (and nor do I). Quantum computing is expected to be really hard to apply to most things. It will be super-powerful but very limited in its scope. And it's not an energy resource either. How do you think it will help? So much of this is about what might happen. But look at the Large Hadron Collider. To nobodies surprise we found what we already *knew* had to be there - the Higgs Boson. And that's pretty much been it! We don't tend to discover things by building stuff first. In fact we hardly ever do. pt | |||
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" ---You sound like you've just never read much science or science fiction mate. People have been talking of colonising mars since the 19c.----pt It might sound like science fiction but Musk is turning it into Science fact. Even with all of his wealth he knows he can't personally fund this project to Mars, hence setting up of businesses that produce the tech and also attract investment to make it happen even after his death. Look at Starlink, this will become bigger and a cash cow, and will fund his satellite and rocket business, also needed for fast comms and logistics for Mars. Don't take my word for it, look into it ----I'm not taking your word for it. I follow scientific developments, and Musk has shown nothing that qualifies as a scientific advancement yet. He's simply putting a lot of his money into working towards it. But people who know about science will know that doing that of course guarantees nothing at all. And the trial and error method (not a bad thing in itself) will eventually prove probatively costly unless progressions are actually made. Electric cars and planet colonisation are two very different things. Pt He is an engineer not a scientist. He is clearly solving problems in an engineering orientated manner. The electric related projects are part of a holistic capability to build generation and power capability and skills for other planets. With the exception of twitter (which is a mad outlier) everything else is clearly aimed at putting together skills and capabilities for space exploration and colonisation. ----- But it's *physics* that gets us into space - analytical, experimental and theoretical. The science isn't there yet, and in general (despite certain inventions) it's been crawling for decades. Musk is hoping to land upon physical discoveries, but most often they are discovered in the mind, and then worked on with the ingenuity of the brilliant scientists who envisioned them. Musk is a private concern working off his own back. He's an employer, ultimately. The world is actually full of people like this (just look at qbits, genetics and energy), and yes Musk has more money and possibly more ambition than the rest. But those things really are only part of any remotely-completable picture. pt You have said it science is not there yet, what is missing that is not being worked on by Musk's scientists? in 10 years from now quantum computing will be defining the fabric of next level science and I'm positive the application of that will be something Musk will invested in. What Musk is doing today is building technologies and enhancing those technologies for future use, and cleverly selling the advancements to keep the money rolling in, because it will take far more money than Musk has to complete this project. ---What technologies? AI? He doesn't even like it (and nor do I). Quantum computing is expected to be really hard to apply to most things. It will be super-powerful but very limited in its scope. And it's not an energy resource either. How do you think it will help? So much of this is about what might happen. But look at the Large Hadron Collider. To nobodies surprise we found what we already *knew* had to be there - the Higgs Boson. And that's pretty much been it! We don't tend to discover things by building stuff first. In fact we hardly ever do. pt" Not AI, it needs to exist for AI to be useful, but that is where quantum computing will be at an advantage working at mathematical and physical levels. If the physics is there to be exploited it will allow engineers to exploit brand new technologies very quickly. | |||
" But it's *physics* that gets us into space - analytical, experimental and theoretical. The science isn't there yet, and in general (despite certain inventions) it's been crawling for decades. pt" You do know that humans have been to space? It is not an unsolved theoretical problem. It is now an economic one as to how to make the cost per kg low enough to make it profitable. That is purely an engineering/entrepreneurial problem. | |||
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" ---You sound like you've just never read much science or science fiction mate. People have been talking of colonising mars since the 19c.----pt It might sound like science fiction but Musk is turning it into Science fact. Even with all of his wealth he knows he can't personally fund this project to Mars, hence setting up of businesses that produce the tech and also attract investment to make it happen even after his death. Look at Starlink, this will become bigger and a cash cow, and will fund his satellite and rocket business, also needed for fast comms and logistics for Mars. Don't take my word for it, look into it ----I'm not taking your word for it. I follow scientific developments, and Musk has shown nothing that qualifies as a scientific advancement yet. He's simply putting a lot of his money into working towards it. But people who know about science will know that doing that of course guarantees nothing at all. And the trial and error method (not a bad thing in itself) will eventually prove probatively costly unless progressions are actually made. Electric cars and planet colonisation are two very different things. Pt He is an engineer not a scientist. He is clearly solving problems in an engineering orientated manner. The electric related projects are part of a holistic capability to build generation and power capability and skills for other planets. With the exception of twitter (which is a mad outlier) everything else is clearly aimed at putting together skills and capabilities for space exploration and colonisation. ----- But it's *physics* that gets us into space - analytical, experimental and theoretical. The science isn't there yet, and in general (despite certain inventions) it's been crawling for decades. Musk is hoping to land upon physical discoveries, but most often they are discovered in the mind, and then worked on with the ingenuity of the brilliant scientists who envisioned them. Musk is a private concern working off his own back. He's an employer, ultimately. The world is actually full of people like this (just look at qbits, genetics and energy), and yes Musk has more money and possibly more ambition than the rest. But those things really are only part of any remotely-completable picture. pt You have said it science is not there yet, what is missing that is not being worked on by Musk's scientists? in 10 years from now quantum computing will be defining the fabric of next level science and I'm positive the application of that will be something Musk will invested in. What Musk is doing today is building technologies and enhancing those technologies for future use, and cleverly selling the advancements to keep the money rolling in, because it will take far more money than Musk has to complete this project. " And you admire him for that? | |||
" But it's *physics* that gets us into space - analytical, experimental and theoretical. The science isn't there yet, and in general (despite certain inventions) it's been crawling for decades. pt You do know that humans have been to space? It is not an unsolved theoretical problem. It is now an economic one as to how to make the cost per kg low enough to make it profitable. That is purely an engineering/entrepreneurial problem." --- I knew someone on Fab would say that when I read it back lol. Yes I know humons have been to space thanks. I was talking about really travelling - specifically with people and to MARS obviously. It's not next door but one. What you describe is mostly physics. You can't fit a square peg in a round hole. *The technology itself has to change or seriously improve*. Sorry but we are not just some 'honing' away from doing this. If we survive it will happen eventually, but nowhere near Musk's targets imo. pt | |||
"So me a work colleague were taking about Mr Musk. And well my work colleague thinks he is genius. Yet he paid 44 billion dollars for a company(Twitter) that was haemorrhaging money. For the past few years it just was not making money at all. However Mr Musk has now given Tucker Carlson a platform on Twitter. Now I'm not judgemental on anyone due to their political beliefs. But Tucker supported Trump all the way regarding his constant rant that the election was was a fake. Yet the courts have rulled against Fox news(and indirectly Trump's lies). And fox news knew all along Trump had lost fair and square yet they kept on lying to their viewers. Hence they settled out of court to pay $780 million! When something is clearly 'black' or 'white' then how much clealer can that be? Yet some people(Trump and other's) will deny that the sun is out or that it's night fall. If this is not the mind of a person going off the rails then what is? Yet Mr Musk is fully supportive of this madness. I mean if this happened in England would Mr Johson(just an example) still be in office? Seriously.... It's called Freedom of speech. -But total freedom of speech has never existed anywhere. Society is by very-definition a trade-off of various freedoms for law and order. Total freedom of speech can only exist in total anarchy. People have never been able to say more than they do today, they just very-lazily don't like to be held-up on it ("you can't say anything any more.... "without someone holding you up on it." should always be added!) This often-vexation is largely due to falsely seeing it as a 'Human Right' to openly opine on whatever we want. People are just wrong here. Yes, losing the freedom for basic dissent is a lack of 'human rights' (and one that concerns Amnesty Intl etc), but not having 'total freedom' of speech to say whatever we want means diddly squat and always has. Because nobody has ever had itm Not even in the USA. Even when in some areas they could hang black people just for existing, there were things they couldn't say over there (Like Black people don't deserve life and should be hung for example). If Freedom of Speech was so all-encompassing in America, their constitution (with all its amendments) wouldn't be so huge. Twitter is a business that is based almost entirely on advertising revenue. It was never designed for total free speech, but some people falsely seem to think it was. Twitter realised it had the 'fundamental flaw' of empowering (to the point of over-empowering) the already seriously empowered in particular, and so they eventually took measures in certain areas where famous people seriously abused that power. Musk reversed a lot of the decisions entirely to provoke. He knows that all attention can be deemed 'good' attention in these matters. And of course he doesn't deeply care - it's not going to bankrupt him whatever he does. --pt 44 billion dollars won't bankrupt him? A big part of the billions was a loan he got from the bank to buy Twitter. It wasn't all his own money. So he will have to start paying it off. Yet he killed Twitters main revenue, which is advertising. So from a business view it's not very bright. " Are you suggesting the man who cofounded PayPal and then started spacex and Tesla with the proceeds doesn’t know what he’s doing …. Do enlighten me as to what he’s done wrong but also bear in mind he could pay the 44 Bn off when he wants a) because he’s got way more than that and b) because he’s playing the capitalist system and getting the banks to sweat over the money while his companies just keep churning out more dollars, now you can call him out on his beliefs and his support or whatever but to call out the richest man in the world and state as above that he doesn’t know what he’s doing …… do tell | |||
" But it's *physics* that gets us into space - analytical, experimental and theoretical. The science isn't there yet, and in general (despite certain inventions) it's been crawling for decades. pt You do know that humans have been to space? It is not an unsolved theoretical problem. It is now an economic one as to how to make the cost per kg low enough to make it profitable. That is purely an engineering/entrepreneurial problem. --- I knew someone on Fab would say that when I read it back lol. Yes I know humons have been to space thanks. I was talking about really travelling - specifically with people and to MARS obviously. It's not next door but one. What you describe is mostly physics. You can't fit a square peg in a round hole. *The technology itself has to change or seriously improve*. Sorry but we are not just some 'honing' away from doing this. If we survive it will happen eventually, but nowhere near Musk's targets imo. pt" You are aware that quantum physics plays out in molecular form? Quantum computers will work at that level, allowing greater advancements in fuels, batteries, materials and also allow accurate modelling to enhance and develop new technologies faster than ever before. All people hear is quantum computers can break crypto systems and security, the real power of this technology is at the quantum physics level. | |||
" ---You sound like you've just never read much science or science fiction mate. People have been talking of colonising mars since the 19c.----pt It might sound like science fiction but Musk is turning it into Science fact. Even with all of his wealth he knows he can't personally fund this project to Mars, hence setting up of businesses that produce the tech and also attract investment to make it happen even after his death. Look at Starlink, this will become bigger and a cash cow, and will fund his satellite and rocket business, also needed for fast comms and logistics for Mars. Don't take my word for it, look into it ----I'm not taking your word for it. I follow scientific developments, and Musk has shown nothing that qualifies as a scientific advancement yet. He's simply putting a lot of his money into working towards it. But people who know about science will know that doing that of course guarantees nothing at all. And the trial and error method (not a bad thing in itself) will eventually prove probatively costly unless progressions are actually made. Electric cars and planet colonisation are two very different things. Pt He is an engineer not a scientist. He is clearly solving problems in an engineering orientated manner. The electric related projects are part of a holistic capability to build generation and power capability and skills for other planets. With the exception of twitter (which is a mad outlier) everything else is clearly aimed at putting together skills and capabilities for space exploration and colonisation. ----- But it's *physics* that gets us into space - analytical, experimental and theoretical. The science isn't there yet, and in general (despite certain inventions) it's been crawling for decades. Musk is hoping to land upon physical discoveries, but most often they are discovered in the mind, and then worked on with the ingenuity of the brilliant scientists who envisioned them. Musk is a private concern working off his own back. He's an employer, ultimately. The world is actually full of people like this (just look at qbits, genetics and energy), and yes Musk has more money and possibly more ambition than the rest. But those things really are only part of any remotely-completable picture. pt You have said it science is not there yet, what is missing that is not being worked on by Musk's scientists? in 10 years from now quantum computing will be defining the fabric of next level science and I'm positive the application of that will be something Musk will invested in. What Musk is doing today is building technologies and enhancing those technologies for future use, and cleverly selling the advancements to keep the money rolling in, because it will take far more money than Musk has to complete this project. ---What technologies? AI? He doesn't even like it (and nor do I). Quantum computing is expected to be really hard to apply to most things. It will be super-powerful but very limited in its scope. And it's not an energy resource either. How do you think it will help? So much of this is about what might happen. But look at the Large Hadron Collider. To nobodies surprise we found what we already *knew* had to be there - the Higgs Boson. And that's pretty much been it! We don't tend to discover things by building stuff first. In fact we hardly ever do. pt Not AI, it needs to exist for AI to be useful, but that is where quantum computing will be at an advantage working at mathematical and physical levels. If the physics is there to be exploited it will allow engineers to exploit brand new technologies very quickly. " ------ But physicists in general see it as having limited potential. Maybe in medicine? (which is part of it - Elon wants to colonise the place remember). It is extremely limited in it's actual output, and hence its application. It's about catching quantum superpositions that breakdown almost immediately. You then have to do maths with the qbits. Once they've even built the things, the real cleverness will be finding what to do with them. They will likely have to remodel a lot of decryption methods though for sure, decrypting already-made encryption is an obvious (and retrospectively concerning) application. But that is backwards computing. pt | |||
" ---You sound like you've just never read much science or science fiction mate. People have been talking of colonising mars since the 19c.----pt It might sound like science fiction but Musk is turning it into Science fact. Even with all of his wealth he knows he can't personally fund this project to Mars, hence setting up of businesses that produce the tech and also attract investment to make it happen even after his death. Look at Starlink, this will become bigger and a cash cow, and will fund his satellite and rocket business, also needed for fast comms and logistics for Mars. Don't take my word for it, look into it ----I'm not taking your word for it. I follow scientific developments, and Musk has shown nothing that qualifies as a scientific advancement yet. He's simply putting a lot of his money into working towards it. But people who know about science will know that doing that of course guarantees nothing at all. And the trial and error method (not a bad thing in itself) will eventually prove probatively costly unless progressions are actually made. Electric cars and planet colonisation are two very different things. Pt He is an engineer not a scientist. He is clearly solving problems in an engineering orientated manner. The electric related projects are part of a holistic capability to build generation and power capability and skills for other planets. With the exception of twitter (which is a mad outlier) everything else is clearly aimed at putting together skills and capabilities for space exploration and colonisation. ----- But it's *physics* that gets us into space - analytical, experimental and theoretical. The science isn't there yet, and in general (despite certain inventions) it's been crawling for decades. Musk is hoping to land upon physical discoveries, but most often they are discovered in the mind, and then worked on with the ingenuity of the brilliant scientists who envisioned them. Musk is a private concern working off his own back. He's an employer, ultimately. The world is actually full of people like this (just look at qbits, genetics and energy), and yes Musk has more money and possibly more ambition than the rest. But those things really are only part of any remotely-completable picture. pt You have said it science is not there yet, what is missing that is not being worked on by Musk's scientists? in 10 years from now quantum computing will be defining the fabric of next level science and I'm positive the application of that will be something Musk will invested in. What Musk is doing today is building technologies and enhancing those technologies for future use, and cleverly selling the advancements to keep the money rolling in, because it will take far more money than Musk has to complete this project. And you admire him for that? "Admire him for what? | |||
" But it's *physics* that gets us into space - analytical, experimental and theoretical. The science isn't there yet, and in general (despite certain inventions) it's been crawling for decades. pt You do know that humans have been to space? It is not an unsolved theoretical problem. It is now an economic one as to how to make the cost per kg low enough to make it profitable. That is purely an engineering/entrepreneurial problem. --- I knew someone on Fab would say that when I read it back lol. Yes I know humons have been to space thanks. I was talking about really travelling - specifically with people and to MARS obviously. It's not next door but one. What you describe is mostly physics. You can't fit a square peg in a round hole. *The technology itself has to change or seriously improve*. Sorry but we are not just some 'honing' away from doing this. If we survive it will happen eventually, but nowhere near Musk's targets imo. pt You are aware that quantum physics plays out in molecular form? Quantum computers will work at that level, allowing greater advancements in fuels, batteries, materials and also allow accurate modelling to enhance and develop new technologies faster than ever before. All people hear is quantum computers can break crypto systems and security, the real power of this technology is at the quantum physics level. " ---- "Plays out in molecular form?" It's sub atomic, not molecular! Sorry, but you obviously know little about it. pt | |||
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" ---You sound like you've just never read much science or science fiction mate. People have been talking of colonising mars since the 19c.----pt It might sound like science fiction but Musk is turning it into Science fact. Even with all of his wealth he knows he can't personally fund this project to Mars, hence setting up of businesses that produce the tech and also attract investment to make it happen even after his death. Look at Starlink, this will become bigger and a cash cow, and will fund his satellite and rocket business, also needed for fast comms and logistics for Mars. Don't take my word for it, look into it ----I'm not taking your word for it. I follow scientific developments, and Musk has shown nothing that qualifies as a scientific advancement yet. He's simply putting a lot of his money into working towards it. But people who know about science will know that doing that of course guarantees nothing at all. And the trial and error method (not a bad thing in itself) will eventually prove probatively costly unless progressions are actually made. Electric cars and planet colonisation are two very different things. Pt He is an engineer not a scientist. He is clearly solving problems in an engineering orientated manner. The electric related projects are part of a holistic capability to build generation and power capability and skills for other planets. With the exception of twitter (which is a mad outlier) everything else is clearly aimed at putting together skills and capabilities for space exploration and colonisation. ----- But it's *physics* that gets us into space - analytical, experimental and theoretical. The science isn't there yet, and in general (despite certain inventions) it's been crawling for decades. Musk is hoping to land upon physical discoveries, but most often they are discovered in the mind, and then worked on with the ingenuity of the brilliant scientists who envisioned them. Musk is a private concern working off his own back. He's an employer, ultimately. The world is actually full of people like this (just look at qbits, genetics and energy), and yes Musk has more money and possibly more ambition than the rest. But those things really are only part of any remotely-completable picture. pt You have said it science is not there yet, what is missing that is not being worked on by Musk's scientists? in 10 years from now quantum computing will be defining the fabric of next level science and I'm positive the application of that will be something Musk will invested in. What Musk is doing today is building technologies and enhancing those technologies for future use, and cleverly selling the advancements to keep the money rolling in, because it will take far more money than Musk has to complete this project. ---What technologies? AI? He doesn't even like it (and nor do I). Quantum computing is expected to be really hard to apply to most things. It will be super-powerful but very limited in its scope. And it's not an energy resource either. How do you think it will help? So much of this is about what might happen. But look at the Large Hadron Collider. To nobodies surprise we found what we already *knew* had to be there - the Higgs Boson. And that's pretty much been it! We don't tend to discover things by building stuff first. In fact we hardly ever do. pt Not AI, it needs to exist for AI to be useful, but that is where quantum computing will be at an advantage working at mathematical and physical levels. If the physics is there to be exploited it will allow engineers to exploit brand new technologies very quickly. ------ But physicists in general see it as having limited potential. Maybe in medicine? (which is part of it - Elon wants to colonise the place remember). It is extremely limited in it's actual output, and hence its application. It's about catching quantum superpositions that breakdown almost immediately. You then have to do maths with the qbits. Once they've even built the things, the real cleverness will be finding what to do with them. They will likely have to remodel a lot of decryption methods though for sure, decrypting already-made encryption is an obvious (and retrospectively concerning) application. But that is backwards computing. pt" Algorithms are already being written for quantum computing at the molecular level, that is with just 400 ish qubits. The advancement on qubit will be rapid, the applications are going to be game changing. Moving away from Musk for one second, the ability to map climate change with degrees of accuracy never been available, to take co2 and work on breaking the molecular structure, the same with plastic and the most important as you mention, medical advancements in vaccines etc. I’m going to leave it there now  | |||
"Is Ellen his wife? Is it? I didn't know that. -we've had sister, then daughter, then 'sex change', now wife.. what next? It's great to know people do clearly read these threads lol. pt Step sister?" Sister-in-law (Née Highwater) | |||
" But it's *physics* that gets us into space - analytical, experimental and theoretical. The science isn't there yet, and in general (despite certain inventions) it's been crawling for decades. pt You do know that humans have been to space? It is not an unsolved theoretical problem. It is now an economic one as to how to make the cost per kg low enough to make it profitable. That is purely an engineering/entrepreneurial problem. --- I knew someone on Fab would say that when I read it back lol. Yes I know humons have been to space thanks. I was talking about really travelling - specifically with people and to MARS obviously. It's not next door but one. What you describe is mostly physics. You can't fit a square peg in a round hole. *The technology itself has to change or seriously improve*. Sorry but we are not just some 'honing' away from doing this. If we survive it will happen eventually, but nowhere near Musk's targets imo. pt" It is engineering. That involves physics (and a whole bunch of other disciplines) but it is not at the cutting edge of theoretical science - it is a solvable problem with current technology. Solvable doesn’t mean easy but it does mean that it can be done. Add in a near messianic drive from someone like Musk and I would argue that it becomes viable. | |||
"Is Ellen his wife? Is it? I didn't know that. -we've had sister, then daughter, then 'sex change', now wife.. what next? It's great to know people do clearly read these threads lol. pt Step sister? Sister-in-law (Née Highwater)" How about loooong lost step sister in law? | |||
" ---You sound like you've just never read much science or science fiction mate. People have been talking of colonising mars since the 19c.----pt It might sound like science fiction but Musk is turning it into Science fact. Even with all of his wealth he knows he can't personally fund this project to Mars, hence setting up of businesses that produce the tech and also attract investment to make it happen even after his death. Look at Starlink, this will become bigger and a cash cow, and will fund his satellite and rocket business, also needed for fast comms and logistics for Mars. Don't take my word for it, look into it ----I'm not taking your word for it. I follow scientific developments, and Musk has shown nothing that qualifies as a scientific advancement yet. He's simply putting a lot of his money into working towards it. But people who know about science will know that doing that of course guarantees nothing at all. And the trial and error method (not a bad thing in itself) will eventually prove probatively costly unless progressions are actually made. Electric cars and planet colonisation are two very different things. Pt He is an engineer not a scientist. He is clearly solving problems in an engineering orientated manner. The electric related projects are part of a holistic capability to build generation and power capability and skills for other planets. With the exception of twitter (which is a mad outlier) everything else is clearly aimed at putting together skills and capabilities for space exploration and colonisation. ----- But it's *physics* that gets us into space - analytical, experimental and theoretical. The science isn't there yet, and in general (despite certain inventions) it's been crawling for decades. Musk is hoping to land upon physical discoveries, but most often they are discovered in the mind, and then worked on with the ingenuity of the brilliant scientists who envisioned them. Musk is a private concern working off his own back. He's an employer, ultimately. The world is actually full of people like this (just look at qbits, genetics and energy), and yes Musk has more money and possibly more ambition than the rest. But those things really are only part of any remotely-completable picture. pt You have said it science is not there yet, what is missing that is not being worked on by Musk's scientists? in 10 years from now quantum computing will be defining the fabric of next level science and I'm positive the application of that will be something Musk will invested in. What Musk is doing today is building technologies and enhancing those technologies for future use, and cleverly selling the advancements to keep the money rolling in, because it will take far more money than Musk has to complete this project. ---What technologies? AI? He doesn't even like it (and nor do I). Quantum computing is expected to be really hard to apply to most things. It will be super-powerful but very limited in its scope. And it's not an energy resource either. How do you think it will help? So much of this is about what might happen. But look at the Large Hadron Collider. To nobodies surprise we found what we already *knew* had to be there - the Higgs Boson. And that's pretty much been it! We don't tend to discover things by building stuff first. In fact we hardly ever do. pt Not AI, it needs to exist for AI to be useful, but that is where quantum computing will be at an advantage working at mathematical and physical levels. If the physics is there to be exploited it will allow engineers to exploit brand new technologies very quickly. ------ But physicists in general see it as having limited potential. Maybe in medicine? (which is part of it - Elon wants to colonise the place remember). It is extremely limited in it's actual output, and hence its application. It's about catching quantum superpositions that breakdown almost immediately. You then have to do maths with the qbits. Once they've even built the things, the real cleverness will be finding what to do with them. They will likely have to remodel a lot of decryption methods though for sure, decrypting already-made encryption is an obvious (and retrospectively concerning) application. But that is backwards computing. pt Algorithms are already being written for quantum computing at the molecular level, that is with just 400 ish qubits. The advancement on qubit will be rapid, the applications are going to be game changing. Moving away from Musk for one second, the ability to map climate change with degrees of accuracy never been available, to take co2 and work on breaking the molecular structure, the same with plastic and the most important as you mention, medical advancements in vaccines etc. I’m going to leave it there now "------ Sorry, it's just not molecular, most people won't care but you are misinforming people a bit there. There is something called 'quantum biology' (a fledgeling science for the future) but that is a very different thing to quantum computing! Qubits (largely entrapped spinning elections - or anything entirely quantum) are artificially entangled on a quantum level. They then have two states. It's all about playing with quantum physics - it's not 'molecular' almost by definition, because the entangled 'wave function' collapses into a single state upon complexity or observation (and a single state is of course is useless for quantum computing). Quantum physics is notorious for only working on the quantum level (at least as far as we can tell, and certainly in terms of superpositions and entanglement - ie what is used for these clever multiple calculations). It's catching Schroedinger's Cat stuff. And it's been said that you'd need millions of qubits just to be able to even calculate the properties of a molecule (which of course have atomic build-ups - using equations we know, but are very hard to calculate) - let alone for an actual material! So far we just have hundreds of them. Eventually they quantum computing help with that though, if we want to check molecular structures for things like conductivity or their potential colour. A lot of overblown stories have been written about quantum computing already (even what it is supposed to have already done! But with science that is always the case. It's pinnacle of of hype.) but if you follow the hard science even the limited co-uses (they can do little themselves) are still a while away. The list you mentioned sounds impressive, and QC's will likely help with it. But they will only help with some of the harder maths (providing they can handle the job in hand), they don't actually create anything. We can't really expect them to reveal anything either. They could do some of the heavy lifting with vaccines for sure, but most of the time there is taken up with testing. Any database used to cross-check data would be on a computer still. Quantum computers don't store anything on a quantum level, again almost by definition - they basically give readings. Traditional computers are still expected to do most of the work (though I suppose a network of them would be part of system after access to the QC is allowed). And it's all with human direction of course. pt | |||
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"I meant to add actually that I think it's dangerous to over-rely on science anyway. It's not just that our expectations can easily get overblown, it's that our problems are largely sociological, and science isn't great in that area. In fact in can adversely effect it a lot of the time. pt" Science wasn't an invention its been around since the dawn of time | |||
" ---You sound like you've just never read much science or science fiction mate. People have been talking of colonising mars since the 19c.----pt It might sound like science fiction but Musk is turning it into Science fact. Even with all of his wealth he knows he can't personally fund this project to Mars, hence setting up of businesses that produce the tech and also attract investment to make it happen even after his death. Look at Starlink, this will become bigger and a cash cow, and will fund his satellite and rocket business, also needed for fast comms and logistics for Mars. Don't take my word for it, look into it ----I'm not taking your word for it. I follow scientific developments, and Musk has shown nothing that qualifies as a scientific advancement yet. He's simply putting a lot of his money into working towards it. But people who know about science will know that doing that of course guarantees nothing at all. And the trial and error method (not a bad thing in itself) will eventually prove probatively costly unless progressions are actually made. Electric cars and planet colonisation are two very different things. Pt He is an engineer not a scientist. He is clearly solving problems in an engineering orientated manner. The electric related projects are part of a holistic capability to build generation and power capability and skills for other planets. With the exception of twitter (which is a mad outlier) everything else is clearly aimed at putting together skills and capabilities for space exploration and colonisation. ----- But it's *physics* that gets us into space - analytical, experimental and theoretical. The science isn't there yet, and in general (despite certain inventions) it's been crawling for decades. Musk is hoping to land upon physical discoveries, but most often they are discovered in the mind, and then worked on with the ingenuity of the brilliant scientists who envisioned them. Musk is a private concern working off his own back. He's an employer, ultimately. The world is actually full of people like this (just look at qbits, genetics and energy), and yes Musk has more money and possibly more ambition than the rest. But those things really are only part of any remotely-completable picture. pt You have said it science is not there yet, what is missing that is not being worked on by Musk's scientists? in 10 years from now quantum computing will be defining the fabric of next level science and I'm positive the application of that will be something Musk will invested in. What Musk is doing today is building technologies and enhancing those technologies for future use, and cleverly selling the advancements to keep the money rolling in, because it will take far more money than Musk has to complete this project. ---What technologies? AI? He doesn't even like it (and nor do I). Quantum computing is expected to be really hard to apply to most things. It will be super-powerful but very limited in its scope. And it's not an energy resource either. How do you think it will help? So much of this is about what might happen. But look at the Large Hadron Collider. To nobodies surprise we found what we already *knew* had to be there - the Higgs Boson. And that's pretty much been it! We don't tend to discover things by building stuff first. In fact we hardly ever do. pt Not AI, it needs to exist for AI to be useful, but that is where quantum computing will be at an advantage working at mathematical and physical levels. If the physics is there to be exploited it will allow engineers to exploit brand new technologies very quickly. ------ But physicists in general see it as having limited potential. Maybe in medicine? (which is part of it - Elon wants to colonise the place remember). It is extremely limited in it's actual output, and hence its application. It's about catching quantum superpositions that breakdown almost immediately. You then have to do maths with the qbits. Once they've even built the things, the real cleverness will be finding what to do with them. They will likely have to remodel a lot of decryption methods though for sure, decrypting already-made encryption is an obvious (and retrospectively concerning) application. But that is backwards computing. pt Algorithms are already being written for quantum computing at the molecular level, that is with just 400 ish qubits. The advancement on qubit will be rapid, the applications are going to be game changing. Moving away from Musk for one second, the ability to map climate change with degrees of accuracy never been available, to take co2 and work on breaking the molecular structure, the same with plastic and the most important as you mention, medical advancements in vaccines etc. I’m going to leave it there now
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Sorry, it's just not molecular, most people won't care but you are misinforming people a bit there. There is something called 'quantum biology' (a fledgeling science for the future) but that is a very different thing to quantum computing!
Qubits (largely entrapped spinning elections - or anything entirely quantum) are artificially entangled on a quantum level. They then have two states. It's all about playing with quantum physics - it's not 'molecular' almost by definition, because the entangled 'wave function' collapses into a single state upon complexity or observation (and a single state is of course is useless for quantum computing). Quantum physics is notorious for only working on the quantum level (at least as far as we can tell, and certainly in terms of superpositions and entanglement - ie what is used for these clever multiple calculations). It's catching Schroedinger's Cat stuff.
And it's been said that you'd need millions of qubits just to be able to even calculate the properties of a molecule (which of course have atomic build-ups - using equations we know, but are very hard to calculate) - let alone for an actual material! So far we just have hundreds of them. Eventually they quantum computing help with that though, if we want to check molecular structures for things like conductivity or their potential colour.
A lot of overblown stories have been written about quantum computing already (even what it is supposed to have already done! But with science that is always the case. It's pinnacle of of hype.) but if you follow the hard science even the limited co-uses (they can do little themselves) are still a while away.
The list you mentioned sounds impressive, and QC's will likely help with it. But they will only help with some of the harder maths (providing they can handle the job in hand), they don't actually create anything. We can't really expect them to reveal anything either. They could do some of the heavy lifting with vaccines for sure, but most of the time there is taken up with testing. Any database used to cross-check data would be on a computer still. Quantum computers don't store anything on a quantum level, again almost by definition - they basically give readings. Traditional computers are still expected to do most of the work (though I suppose a network of them would be part of system after access to the QC is allowed). And it's all with human direction of course.
pt"Molecular in application not construction….. | |||
" Molecular in application not construction….. " lol ok. I don't think that was quite what you said though. pt | |||
"So me a work colleague were taking about Mr Musk. And well my work colleague thinks he is genius. Yet he paid 44 billion dollars for a company(Twitter) that was haemorrhaging money. For the past few years it just was not making money at all. However Mr Musk has now given Tucker Carlson a platform on Twitter. Now I'm not judgemental on anyone due to their political beliefs. But Tucker supported Trump all the way regarding his constant rant that the election was was a fake. Yet the courts have rulled against Fox news(and indirectly Trump's lies). And fox news knew all along Trump had lost fair and square yet they kept on lying to their viewers. Hence they settled out of court to pay $780 million! When something is clearly 'black' or 'white' then how much clealer can that be? Yet some people(Trump and other's) will deny that the sun is out or that it's night fall. If this is not the mind of a person going off the rails then what is? Yet Mr Musk is fully supportive of this madness. I mean if this happened in England would Mr Johson(just an example) still be in office? Seriously.... " His name isn't Ellen Musk | |||
