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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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I read an article on the bbc, here it is www.bbc.com/news/health-65458663.
Following on from the strike, it seems that the nursing union have accepted a pay offer from the government of 5%.
As I understand it the bma wants a 35% rise, to make up for 15 years of below inflation wage increases.
What do you think of the offer, is it enough?
Even tho they got an offer, which I think is too little, it seems that further strikes are planned which I can understand and rightly so 
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They knew the average wage and wage increase when they went into the profession, everyone is struggling.
If they weren't happy with the wage and the rate of the rises as they've been shit for decades why opt for that profession?!
Totally understand striking regards to working conditions but wages no, this is something you look into when deciding on your career.
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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"35% was a pie in the sky figure. No one's wages have kept up with inflation, it's impossible for businesses to do that, they'd go bankrupt.
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You are right there as well, it havent kept up with the inflation either. |
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"They knew the average wage and wage increase when they went into the profession, everyone is struggling.
If they weren't happy with the wage and the rate of the rises as they've been shit for decades why opt for that profession?!
Totally understand striking regards to working conditions but wages no, this is something you look into when deciding on your career.
Mrs "
It is but didn’t universal credit go up by 10%? Seems a tad unfair |
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"I honestly don't think anyone should accept less that 10% this year."
Cost of goods has increased, so cost of products have had to increase. Paying more doesn't mean more profit for the business; the entire supply chain has increased. If I were to increase everyone's salary by 10%, there wouldn't be a job for anyone |
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"I honestly don't think anyone should accept less that 10% this year.
Where does that 10% come from for private business? An awful lot of them are struggling because of inflation."
It's the rate of inflation for the past year. Any less than 10% and you are taking a pay cut.
I should have said for the lowest paid workers. |
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"They knew the average wage and wage increase when they went into the profession, everyone is struggling.
If they weren't happy with the wage and the rate of the rises as they've been shit for decades why opt for that profession?!
Totally understand striking regards to working conditions but wages no, this is something you look into when deciding on your career.
Mrs "
Many of the staff didn't chose this career recently, they opted to train decades ago when the working conditions were not as they have become. |
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"I honestly don't think anyone should accept less that 10% this year.
There is zero chance of us getting 10% at my place. Zilch. None. They’ve already said so. "
That's possibly because they can't. I don't know who you work for or their finances but 10% to all staff isn't possible for 99% of companies in this country |
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I have had no, or a below inflation wage adjustment for the last 24 years.
Pay review body recommended 6% in 1999, and we got nothing...for 4 years.
If anyone thinks they are getting any semblance of an inflation proof pay rise, they are definitely delusional, or work in the private sector.  |
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"I honestly don't think anyone should accept less that 10% this year.
Cost of goods has increased, so cost of products have had to increase. Paying more doesn't mean more profit for the business; the entire supply chain has increased. If I were to increase everyone's salary by 10%, there wouldn't be a job for anyone "
Why? If costs have gone up 10% and prices have gone up 10% then profit will be the same percentage but more £
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"I honestly don't think anyone should accept less that 10% this year.
Cost of goods has increased, so cost of products have had to increase. Paying more doesn't mean more profit for the business; the entire supply chain has increased. If I were to increase everyone's salary by 10%, there wouldn't be a job for anyone
Why? If costs have gone up 10% and prices have gone up 10% then profit will be the same percentage but more £
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Because people aren't buying as much so profits are actually down or stagnant |
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"They knew the average wage and wage increase when they went into the profession, everyone is struggling.
If they weren't happy with the wage and the rate of the rises as they've been shit for decades why opt for that profession?!
Totally understand striking regards to working conditions but wages no, this is something you look into when deciding on your career.
Mrs "
I read a post by a nurse somewhere and she said that when she started the pay was £11.5k, in today's money that's just over £27k. Not a lot different from there starting pay now. Of course conditions are a lot worse and in those days tuition was free and the got a bursary. |
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"I honestly don't think anyone should accept less that 10% this year.
Cost of goods has increased, so cost of products have had to increase. Paying more doesn't mean more profit for the business; the entire supply chain has increased. If I were to increase everyone's salary by 10%, there wouldn't be a job for anyone
Why? If costs have gone up 10% and prices have gone up 10% then profit will be the same percentage but more £
Because people aren't buying as much so profits are actually down or stagnant"
Then companies have to adapt. |
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"I honestly don't think anyone should accept less that 10% this year.
Cost of goods has increased, so cost of products have had to increase. Paying more doesn't mean more profit for the business; the entire supply chain has increased. If I were to increase everyone's salary by 10%, there wouldn't be a job for anyone
Why? If costs have gone up 10% and prices have gone up 10% then profit will be the same percentage but more £
Because people aren't buying as much so profits are actually down or stagnant
Then companies have to adapt."
I know of one quick fire way to adapt.
Redundancies. |
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"I honestly don't think anyone should accept less that 10% this year.
Cost of goods has increased, so cost of products have had to increase. Paying more doesn't mean more profit for the business; the entire supply chain has increased. If I were to increase everyone's salary by 10%, there wouldn't be a job for anyone
Why? If costs have gone up 10% and prices have gone up 10% then profit will be the same percentage but more £
Because people aren't buying as much so profits are actually down or stagnant
Then companies have to adapt.
I know of one quick fire way to adapt.
Redundancies."
With a lot of companies reporting a shortage of workers that's not such the bogeyman it once was |
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"I honestly don't think anyone should accept less that 10% this year.
Cost of goods has increased, so cost of products have had to increase. Paying more doesn't mean more profit for the business; the entire supply chain has increased. If I were to increase everyone's salary by 10%, there wouldn't be a job for anyone
Why? If costs have gone up 10% and prices have gone up 10% then profit will be the same percentage but more £
Because people aren't buying as much so profits are actually down or stagnant
Then companies have to adapt.
I know of one quick fire way to adapt.
Redundancies.
With a lot of companies reporting a shortage of workers that's not such the bogeyman it once was "
Which companies are short on workers?
I can guarantee those companies do not represent 90% of UK businesses. |
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Which companies are short on workers?
I can guarantee those companies do not represent 90% of UK businesses.
Well the NHS for a start, and that IS what this thread is about lol"
Pretty sure you said 'no one should accept less than 10%'
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I do feel for the nurses life is really tough at the moment. In context though I read this week that ftse bosses pay increased by 23% on average over the last 12 months and that Pret had increased workers pay by 20%.
The average worker though continues to get poorer - I think using per capita gdp we're now down to 32nd in the world and the trajectory is downwards. (this is skewed by so much wealth being in so few hands).
It's estimated that gdp per head will fall behind Poland in 2 years time.
We need to reconsider our place in the world today. |
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Which companies are short on workers?
I can guarantee those companies do not represent 90% of UK businesses.
Well the NHS for a start, and that IS what this thread is about lol
Pretty sure you said 'no one should accept less than 10%'
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I did but I also qualified that in the following post |
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Which companies are short on workers?
I can guarantee those companies do not represent 90% of UK businesses.
Well the NHS for a start, and that IS what this thread is about lol
Pretty sure you said 'no one should accept less than 10%'
I did but I also qualified that in the following post "
I don't believe you did.
I asked what about private business and you spoke of inflation.
Then you went on to speak about profits (private business) and said they should adapt.
I can see where it's gone wrong though, so I'll leave you to it. |
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over a year ago
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Which companies are short on workers?
I can guarantee those companies do not represent 90% of UK businesses.
Well the NHS for a start, and that IS what this thread is about lol
Pretty sure you said 'no one should accept less than 10%'
I did but I also qualified that in the following post
I don't believe you did.
I asked what about private business and you spoke of inflation.
Then you went on to speak about profits (private business) and said they should adapt.
I can see where it's gone wrong though, so I'll leave you to it. "
I do not care for business or private companies, I do not care, I care for those who work for private companies or business I care for those who give their time, and labour for others.
A business cannot be a business without some kind of labour, so thus the most important thing is labour and that I am afraid doesn't come cheap. |
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By *issmorganWoman
over a year ago
Calderdale innit |
"They knew the average wage and wage increase when they went into the profession, everyone is struggling.
If they weren't happy with the wage and the rate of the rises as they've been shit for decades why opt for that profession?!
Totally understand striking regards to working conditions but wages no, this is something you look into when deciding on your career.
Mrs
Many of the staff didn't chose this career recently, they opted to train decades ago when the working conditions were not as they have become. "
Exactly and they now have to pay 9k a year to train ,so are in deby before they've even qualified.
It used to be free to train |
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Which companies are short on workers?
I can guarantee those companies do not represent 90% of UK businesses.
Well the NHS for a start, and that IS what this thread is about lol
Pretty sure you said 'no one should accept less than 10%'
I did but I also qualified that in the following post
I don't believe you did.
I asked what about private business and you spoke of inflation.
Then you went on to speak about profits (private business) and said they should adapt.
I can see where it's gone wrong though, so I'll leave you to it.
I do not care for business or private companies, I do not care, I care for those who work for private companies or business I care for those who give their time, and labour for others.
A business cannot be a business without some kind of labour, so thus the most important thing is labour and that I am afraid doesn't come cheap."
If there is no business, there is no jobs. You are correct in saying business can't function without labour but it works both ways.
If, as has been said, everyone received a 10% rise, there wouldn't be half of these businesses to pay the workers because they'd go bust.
Yay for those workers |
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"I honestly don't think anyone should accept less that 10% this year.
Where does that 10% come from for private business? An awful lot of them are struggling because of inflation.
It's the rate of inflation for the past year. Any less than 10% and you are taking a pay cut.
I should have said for the lowest paid workers."
Why just for the lowest paid surly that just closes the gap.
My bosses put up lower paid workers so I have come out of the office and back on the tools as can now earn more. But they are now struggling in the office lol.. |
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"I honestly don't think anyone should accept less that 10% this year.
Where does that 10% come from for private business? An awful lot of them are struggling because of inflation.
It's the rate of inflation for the past year. Any less than 10% and you are taking a pay cut.
I should have said for the lowest paid workers."
Low paid workers have just received a 9% pay increase. Minimum wage went up by 9% which will of impacted a lot of people. |
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By *iouxBWoman
over a year ago
Colchester |
Your talking about two separate strikes..2 unions haven't accepted but others have as they are talking about the full nhs non Dr's staff. The RCN is continuing to fight for nurses for a better pay deal as when you consider tax and NI there won't be much left.
The Dr's are fighting for a decent salary as a junior Dr only earns £14 per hour for the level of responsibility they hold along with all the costs of uni and medical school paying back loan it doesn't leave much to live on.... then they Australians are trying to entice them there so that could leave the nhs with a more substantial staffing crisis...
The BBC were talking about cancer patient missing treatment due to the strike but every week more are cancelled as there are not enough staff to meet the demand.
That's the main reasons for striking..
Sorry about the rant |
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"ILow paid workers have just received a 9% pay increase. Minimum wage went up by 9% which will of impacted a lot of people.
So, less than inflation? "
Obviously. As previously said, businesses cannot afford to pay wages to keep up with inflation. People need to realise this. |
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over a year ago
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"Your talking about two separate strikes..2 unions haven't accepted but others have as they are talking about the full nhs non Dr's staff. The RCN is continuing to fight for nurses for a better pay deal as when you consider tax and NI there won't be much left.
The Dr's are fighting for a decent salary as a junior Dr only earns £14 per hour for the level of responsibility they hold along with all the costs of uni and medical school paying back loan it doesn't leave much to live on.... then they Australians are trying to entice them there so that could leave the nhs with a more substantial staffing crisis...
The BBC were talking about cancer patient missing treatment due to the strike but every week more are cancelled as there are not enough staff to meet the demand.
That's the main reasons for striking..
Sorry about the rant "
I don't understand why 'medical care' and 'social care' are such undervalued services |
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By *lynJMan
over a year ago
Morden |
"Your talking about two separate strikes..2 unions haven't accepted but others have as they are talking about the full nhs non Dr's staff. The RCN is continuing to fight for nurses for a better pay deal as when you consider tax and NI there won't be much left.
The Dr's are fighting for a decent salary as a junior Dr only earns £14 per hour for the level of responsibility they hold along with all the costs of uni and medical school paying back loan it doesn't leave much to live on.... then they Australians are trying to entice them there so that could leave the nhs with a more substantial staffing crisis...
The BBC were talking about cancer patient missing treatment due to the strike but every week more are cancelled as there are not enough staff to meet the demand.
That's the main reasons for striking..
Sorry about the rant
I don't understand why 'medical care' and 'social care' are such undervalued services "
Undervalued or underpaid?
Everyone realises the value of medical and social care.
It's more that the government isn't paying them a fair wage for what they do and the training/experience they have. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Your talking about two separate strikes..2 unions haven't accepted but others have as they are talking about the full nhs non Dr's staff. The RCN is continuing to fight for nurses for a better pay deal as when you consider tax and NI there won't be much left.
The Dr's are fighting for a decent salary as a junior Dr only earns £14 per hour for the level of responsibility they hold along with all the costs of uni and medical school paying back loan it doesn't leave much to live on.... then they Australians are trying to entice them there so that could leave the nhs with a more substantial staffing crisis...
The BBC were talking about cancer patient missing treatment due to the strike but every week more are cancelled as there are not enough staff to meet the demand.
That's the main reasons for striking..
Sorry about the rant
I don't understand why 'medical care' and 'social care' are such undervalued services
Undervalued or underpaid?
Everyone realises the value of medical and social care.
It's more that the government isn't paying them a fair wage for what they do and the training/experience they have. "
Both! I think especially social care is looked down on |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Which companies are short on workers?
I can guarantee those companies do not represent 90% of UK businesses.
Well the NHS for a start, and that IS what this thread is about lol
Pretty sure you said 'no one should accept less than 10%'
I did but I also qualified that in the following post
I don't believe you did.
I asked what about private business and you spoke of inflation.
Then you went on to speak about profits (private business) and said they should adapt.
I can see where it's gone wrong though, so I'll leave you to it.
I do not care for business or private companies, I do not care, I care for those who work for private companies or business I care for those who give their time, and labour for others.
A business cannot be a business without some kind of labour, so thus the most important thing is labour and that I am afraid doesn't come cheap.
If there is no business, there is no jobs. You are correct in saying business can't function without labour but it works both ways.
If, as has been said, everyone received a 10% rise, there wouldn't be half of these businesses to pay the workers because they'd go bust.
Yay for those workers "
Well let them go bust, then other business will learn the power of collective bargaining.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Your talking about two separate strikes..2 unions haven't accepted but others have as they are talking about the full nhs non Dr's staff. The RCN is continuing to fight for nurses for a better pay deal as when you consider tax and NI there won't be much left.
The Dr's are fighting for a decent salary as a junior Dr only earns £14 per hour for the level of responsibility they hold along with all the costs of uni and medical school paying back loan it doesn't leave much to live on.... then they Australians are trying to entice them there so that could leave the nhs with a more substantial staffing crisis...
The BBC were talking about cancer patient missing treatment due to the strike but every week more are cancelled as there are not enough staff to meet the demand.
That's the main reasons for striking..
Sorry about the rant
I don't understand why 'medical care' and 'social care' are such undervalued services
Undervalued or underpaid?
Everyone realises the value of medical and social care.
It's more that the government isn't paying them a fair wage for what they do and the training/experience they have.
Both! I think especially social care is looked down on"
My experience of social care was it was linked to the NHS pay scale, so if a care worker in the NHS was on grade 7, say grade 7 was 22 grand a year then the private sector would have to match that wage.
Come in the conservatives who abolished the link with the private sector leaving them to set their wage scale, hence the low wages and making it more attractive to the private sector if they wished to bid for a contract. |
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By *andB14Couple
over a year ago
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To be honest I’m just happy for a pay rise.
I don’t think striking is great.
We got claps during Covid but I think that will fast turn around when people aren’t getting appointments or operations |
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"To be honest I’m just happy for a pay rise.
I don’t think striking is great.
We got claps during Covid but I think that will fast turn around when people aren’t getting appointments or operations "
That's already happening to be fair. |
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Which companies are short on workers?
I can guarantee those companies do not represent 90% of UK businesses.
Well the NHS for a start, and that IS what this thread is about lol
Pretty sure you said 'no one should accept less than 10%'
I did but I also qualified that in the following post
I don't believe you did.
I asked what about private business and you spoke of inflation.
Then you went on to speak about profits (private business) and said they should adapt.
I can see where it's gone wrong though, so I'll leave you to it.
I do not care for business or private companies, I do not care, I care for those who work for private companies or business I care for those who give their time, and labour for others.
A business cannot be a business without some kind of labour, so thus the most important thing is labour and that I am afraid doesn't come cheap.
If there is no business, there is no jobs. You are correct in saying business can't function without labour but it works both ways.
If, as has been said, everyone received a 10% rise, there wouldn't be half of these businesses to pay the workers because they'd go bust.
Yay for those workers
Well let them go bust, then other business will learn the power of collective bargaining.
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You don't quite get it, do you? |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"35% was a pie in the sky figure. No one's wages have kept up with inflation, it's impossible for businesses to do that, they'd go bankrupt.
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no one wages have kept up with inflation ? MPs have |
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By *1bttmMan
over a year ago
Shoreditch east London |
"I read an article on the bbc, here it is www.bbc.com/news/health-65458663.
Following on from the strike, it seems that the nursing union have accepted a pay offer from the government of 5%.
As I understand it the bma wants a 35% rise, to make up for 15 years of below inflation wage increases.
What do you think of the offer, is it enough?
Even tho they got an offer, which I think is too little, it seems that further strikes are planned which I can understand and rightly so
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You say "the nursing union" making it sound Iike there's only 1 union when in fact there are a few that represent nurses.
If u follow the article and read it further it says the GMB and Unison accepted it but it was rejected by the RCN. In terms of membership I think the RCN is bigger. |
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Pretty sure you said 'no one should accept less than 10%'
I did but I also qualified that in the following post
I don't believe you did.
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"It's the rate of inflation for the past year. Any less than 10% and you are taking a pay cut.
I should have said for the lowest paid workers. |
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"ILow paid workers have just received a 9% pay increase. Minimum wage went up by 9% which will of impacted a lot of people.
So, less than inflation?
Obviously. As previously said, businesses cannot afford to pay wages to keep up with inflation. People need to realise this."
Realise that they will be paid less and less each year?
Really? |
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Pretty sure you said 'no one should accept less than 10%'
I did but I also qualified that in the following post
I don't believe you did.
"It's the rate of inflation for the past year. Any less than 10% and you are taking a pay cut.
I should have said for the lowest paid workers."
People have less disposable income because of inflation so therefore spend less money on 'treats'
How do you propose these businesses earn more to pay more? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Which companies are short on workers?
I can guarantee those companies do not represent 90% of UK businesses.
Well the NHS for a start, and that IS what this thread is about lol
Pretty sure you said 'no one should accept less than 10%'
I did but I also qualified that in the following post
I don't believe you did.
I asked what about private business and you spoke of inflation.
Then you went on to speak about profits (private business) and said they should adapt.
I can see where it's gone wrong though, so I'll leave you to it.
I do not care for business or private companies, I do not care, I care for those who work for private companies or business I care for those who give their time, and labour for others.
A business cannot be a business without some kind of labour, so thus the most important thing is labour and that I am afraid doesn't come cheap.
If there is no business, there is no jobs. You are correct in saying business can't function without labour but it works both ways.
If, as has been said, everyone received a 10% rise, there wouldn't be half of these businesses to pay the workers because they'd go bust.
Yay for those workers
Well let them go bust, then other business will learn the power of collective bargaining.
You don't quite get it, do you?"
Yes I do. |
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Which companies are short on workers?
I can guarantee those companies do not represent 90% of UK businesses.
Well the NHS for a start, and that IS what this thread is about lol
Pretty sure you said 'no one should accept less than 10%'
I did but I also qualified that in the following post
I don't believe you did.
I asked what about private business and you spoke of inflation.
Then you went on to speak about profits (private business) and said they should adapt.
I can see where it's gone wrong though, so I'll leave you to it.
I do not care for business or private companies, I do not care, I care for those who work for private companies or business I care for those who give their time, and labour for others.
A business cannot be a business without some kind of labour, so thus the most important thing is labour and that I am afraid doesn't come cheap.
If there is no business, there is no jobs. You are correct in saying business can't function without labour but it works both ways.
If, as has been said, everyone received a 10% rise, there wouldn't be half of these businesses to pay the workers because they'd go bust.
Yay for those workers
Well let them go bust, then other business will learn the power of collective bargaining.
You don't quite get it, do you?
Yes I do."
As I said, yay for those business owners and worker who now don't have an income |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"They knew the average wage and wage increase when they went into the profession, everyone is struggling.
If they weren't happy with the wage and the rate of the rises as they've been shit for decades why opt for that profession?!
Totally understand striking regards to working conditions but wages no, this is something you look into when deciding on your career.
Mrs "
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Which companies are short on workers?
I can guarantee those companies do not represent 90% of UK businesses.
Well the NHS for a start, and that IS what this thread is about lol
Pretty sure you said 'no one should accept less than 10%'
I did but I also qualified that in the following post
I don't believe you did.
I asked what about private business and you spoke of inflation.
Then you went on to speak about profits (private business) and said they should adapt.
I can see where it's gone wrong though, so I'll leave you to it.
I do not care for business or private companies, I do not care, I care for those who work for private companies or business I care for those who give their time, and labour for others.
A business cannot be a business without some kind of labour, so thus the most important thing is labour and that I am afraid doesn't come cheap.
If there is no business, there is no jobs. You are correct in saying business can't function without labour but it works both ways.
If, as has been said, everyone received a 10% rise, there wouldn't be half of these businesses to pay the workers because they'd go bust.
Yay for those workers
Well let them go bust, then other business will learn the power of collective bargaining.
You don't quite get it, do you?
Yes I do.
As I said, yay for those business owners and worker who now don't have an income "
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How do you propose these businesses earn more to pay more?
If I'm paying 10% more for everything I buy then the companies I am buying from can afford to pay their workers 10% more."
But you aren't paying 10% more for everything.
You are paying 10% more for some things and simply not buying other things. |
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"They knew the average wage and wage increase when they went into the profession, everyone is struggling.
If they weren't happy with the wage and the rate of the rises as they've been shit for decades why opt for that profession?!
Totally understand striking regards to working conditions but wages no, this is something you look into when deciding on your career.
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So I as an NHS employee of 30 years should have foreseen 13 years of wage freezes and below inflation rises and just shrug it off because I would have known what the wage increase would be nearly 2 decades down the line? |
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How do you propose these businesses earn more to pay more?
If I'm paying 10% more for everything I buy then the companies I am buying from can afford to pay their workers 10% more.
But you aren't paying 10% more for everything.
You are paying 10% more for some things and simply not buying other things."
He isn't paying 10% on everything he buys because he isn't buying everything?
I think I need to lie down over this one. |
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"They knew the average wage and wage increase when they went into the profession, everyone is struggling.
If they weren't happy with the wage and the rate of the rises as they've been shit for decades why opt for that profession?!
Totally understand striking regards to working conditions but wages no, this is something you look into when deciding on your career.
Mrs "
Do you at 18 ? How can you visualise the true horror of nursing ir midwifery |
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How do you propose these businesses earn more to pay more?
If I'm paying 10% more for everything I buy then the companies I am buying from can afford to pay their workers 10% more.
But you aren't paying 10% more for everything.
You are paying 10% more for some things and simply not buying other things.
He isn't paying 10% on everything he buys because he isn't buying everything?
I think I need to lie down over this one."
Are you confused?
Let's say one year ago I had £100 disposable income, with that £100 I could buy 10 items @ £10 each.
You with me?
Today I only have £10 disposable income, can I still buy 10 items @ £10 each?
No I cannot.
Therefore 2 of the businesses already lose out providing there's been no price increase on said items.
If however, all items have gone up by 10%, 3 businesses lose out because with my £80 I can only buy 7 items @ £11 each.
What happens to those 3 businesses?
I really can't believe I'm having to explain this to adults. |
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How do you propose these businesses earn more to pay more?
If I'm paying 10% more for everything I buy then the companies I am buying from can afford to pay their workers 10% more."
You do realise that stores have enormous running cost don't you?
Wages is the tip of the iceberg, rent, business rates, energy, stock price hikes.....all outweigh the increase in the hourly wage. |
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