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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
so how many of you will watch the interview with oprah?
after all the years, its kinda jaded my faith in cycling.. even though I admire what most cyclists have to put themselves thru... |
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By *r mrs pCouple
over a year ago
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"so how many of you will watch the interview with oprah?
after all the years, its kinda jaded my faith in cycling.. even though I admire what most cyclists have to put themselves thru..."
Seems like too many cheats, makes a mockery of the sport,cant be nothered to listen to a cheat lie. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Leaving aside that he did recover from cancer to participate in a major sporting event, how's he going to apologise to all those he may have inspired with that struggle, those who've bought his book, supported him or even were part of his team and knew nothing about this.
Oprah is hardly Jeremy Paxman in interview technique, he'll be given a horribly easy time and the whole thing will be done sympathetically. That was probably the rub for getting an interview with him.
It's going to be a pile of toss. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I use I have a lot of respect for the guy, as someone pointed out earlier its amazing what the top endurance cyclists put themselves through.
I jut feel sorry for the people who competed at the same time as Lance Armstrong who competed clean, worked committed their lives to such a physically demanding profession and had to end their careers with no honours as they had been 'competing' against cheats and liars.
I hope he does just admit it so that the history books can write him down as what he really is and he can live out the remainder of his days in a low key, remorseful way |
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"Not interested in anything a lying cheating scumbag has to say in a forlorn attempt to salvage his earning potential. "
tend to agree..
hope the sponsors sue him for past endorsements if they can..
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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago
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I know two people who had suffered from cancer who thought Lance Armstrong was inspiring. I myself couldn't buy into all the Lance Armstrong hype, and had my suspicions that he had cheated way back when he won his first couple of tour de france.
Armstrong is a nasty bit of work - anyone who has read the various books that David Walsh (journalist who exposed his doping first) has written will know the methods to Armstrong went to bully, belittle, and discredit the people who were telling the truth about him.
Hopefully justice will prevail, and he will be sued by lots of people and will get done for perjury. The people i feel sorry for are not the fellow cyclists,but the cancer suffers who he looked in the eye, and lied to them about his achievements.
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By *abio OP Man
over a year ago
Newcastle and Gateshead |
see even now i am kinda split..
without armstrong you wouldn't have had the livestrong foundation and the good work it had done for cancer
but the fact that the man has cheated and lied has so sullied what i think..... |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Think I want to reserve my judgment until I see what and how he has to say whatever it is his 'people' will have coached him to say.
One can't deny the wonderful work that Livestrong have done, albeit on the back of a false idol. As a keen cyclist and having followed the tour for quite a few years, it's the guys who came second that I feel sorry for. They've forever been denied eternal glory and adulation like the UK has sent Sir Wiggos way. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I know two people who had suffered from cancer who thought Lance Armstrong was inspiring. I myself couldn't buy into all the Lance Armstrong hype, and had my suspicions that he had cheated way back when he won his first couple of tour de france.
Armstrong is a nasty bit of work - anyone who has read the various books that David Walsh (journalist who exposed his doping first) has written will know the methods to Armstrong went to bully, belittle, and discredit the people who were telling the truth about him.
Hopefully justice will prevail, and he will be sued by lots of people and will get done for perjury. The people i feel sorry for are not the fellow cyclists,but the cancer suffers who he looked in the eye, and lied to them about his achievements.
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I think even if he did use performance enhancing drugs, he is still an inspiration to cancer sufferers because he beat it, he then went on to get his body in top form which is no mean feat for anyone never mind someone who's suffered from such a devastating illness! I know he likely wouldn't have had such prolific success without the drugs but we will never know if he could have done it alone and that's the biggest loss in my mind.
I can't stand lies or liars but lets not forget that he started his foundation while he was still undergoing treatment - which is admirable in its own right! So if he was just one of our times best marketeers and realised that in order to raise awareness of testicular cancer in young men he had to do the impossible is that such a bad thing?? If he hadn't doped up then do any of us think his foundation would have raised over $320million from selling yellow bands alone??
Regardless of his cheating, he has without any shadow of a doubt been more thoughtless and active in raising funds and awareness for a good cause than any of us - for that he deserves credit.
R xx  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Think I want to reserve my judgment until I see what and how he has to say whatever it is his 'people' will have coached him to say.
One can't deny the wonderful work that Livestrong have done, albeit on the back of a false idol. As a keen cyclist and having followed the tour for quite a few years, it's the guys who came second that I feel sorry for. They've forever been denied eternal glory and adulation like the UK has sent Sir Wiggos way."
The guys who came second were drugged up too, hence probably why the cycling bodies haven't redistributed Armstrong's yellow jerseys. The last thing they need is to elevate second place to first place and then find that guy was doped up too. I'm sure the historical records will be amended at some point in the distant future when they're sure they've led out all those who were taking drugs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I know two people who had suffered from cancer who thought Lance Armstrong was inspiring. I myself couldn't buy into all the Lance Armstrong hype, and had my suspicions that he had cheated way back when he won his first couple of tour de france.
Armstrong is a nasty bit of work - anyone who has read the various books that David Walsh (journalist who exposed his doping first) has written will know the methods to Armstrong went to bully, belittle, and discredit the people who were telling the truth about him.
Hopefully justice will prevail, and he will be sued by lots of people and will get done for perjury. The people i feel sorry for are not the fellow cyclists,but the cancer suffers who he looked in the eye, and lied to them about his achievements.
I think even if he did use performance enhancing drugs, he is still an inspiration to cancer sufferers because he beat it, he then went on to get his body in top form which is no mean feat for anyone never mind someone who's suffered from such a devastating illness! I know he likely wouldn't have had such prolific success without the drugs but we will never know if he could have done it alone and that's the biggest loss in my mind.
I can't stand lies or liars but lets not forget that he started his foundation while he was still undergoing treatment - which is admirable in its own right! So if he was just one of our times best marketeers and realised that in order to raise awareness of testicular cancer in young men he had to do the impossible is that such a bad thing?? If he hadn't doped up then do any of us think his foundation would have raised over $320million from selling yellow bands alone??
Regardless of his cheating, he has without any shadow of a doubt been more thoughtless and active in raising funds and awareness for a good cause than any of us - for that he deserves credit.
R xx "
Ah, so it's ok to be dishonest if you raise millions of pounds for good causes.
Shame they stripped Savile of his knighthood on that basis huh? |
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By *UNCHBOXMan
over a year ago
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"I know two people who had suffered from cancer who thought Lance Armstrong was inspiring. I myself couldn't buy into all the Lance Armstrong hype, and had my suspicions that he had cheated way back when he won his first couple of tour de france.
Armstrong is a nasty bit of work - anyone who has read the various books that David Walsh (journalist who exposed his doping first) has written will know the methods to Armstrong went to bully, belittle, and discredit the people who were telling the truth about him.
Hopefully justice will prevail, and he will be sued by lots of people and will get done for perjury. The people i feel sorry for are not the fellow cyclists,but the cancer suffers who he looked in the eye, and lied to them about his achievements.
I think even if he did use performance enhancing drugs, he is still an inspiration to cancer sufferers because he beat it, he then went on to get his body in top form which is no mean feat for anyone never mind someone who's suffered from such a devastating illness! I know he likely wouldn't have had such prolific success without the drugs but we will never know if he could have done it alone and that's the biggest loss in my mind.
I can't stand lies or liars but lets not forget that he started his foundation while he was still undergoing treatment - which is admirable in its own right! So if he was just one of our times best marketeers and realised that in order to raise awareness of testicular cancer in young men he had to do the impossible is that such a bad thing?? If he hadn't doped up then do any of us think his foundation would have raised over $320million from selling yellow bands alone??
Regardless of his cheating, he has without any shadow of a doubt been more thoughtless and active in raising funds and awareness for a good cause than any of us - for that he deserves credit.
R xx "
Believe me, there is no way he would have won any tour de france without the various doping methods he used. He was a average Climber and Time trialist before his cancer, both of which you need to be good at to win the tour de france.
This wasn't just popping a few pills here and there when he felt jaded. This was planned far in advance, with blood being recycled to increase the number of red blood cells, and so his endurance went up.
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
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Regardless of his cheating, he has without any shadow of a doubt been more thoughtless and active in raising funds and awareness for a good cause than any of us - for that he deserves credit.
R xx
Ah, so it's ok to be dishonest if you raise millions of pounds for good causes.
Shame they stripped Savile of his knighthood on that basis huh?"
I'm with you here. I'd insist the charities which benefitted from such dishonesty paid it back.
Seemingly Savile's Papal Knighthood 'expired' on his death. Maybe just as well.
Can you imagine the stooshie if everyone honoured by the Vatican had to hand it back when found guilty of child abuse? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I know two people who had suffered from cancer who thought Lance Armstrong was inspiring. I myself couldn't buy into all the Lance Armstrong hype, and had my suspicions that he had cheated way back when he won his first couple of tour de france.
Armstrong is a nasty bit of work - anyone who has read the various books that David Walsh (journalist who exposed his doping first) has written will know the methods to Armstrong went to bully, belittle, and discredit the people who were telling the truth about him.
Hopefully justice will prevail, and he will be sued by lots of people and will get done for perjury. The people i feel sorry for are not the fellow cyclists,but the cancer suffers who he looked in the eye, and lied to them about his achievements.
I think even if he did use performance enhancing drugs, he is still an inspiration to cancer sufferers because he beat it, he then went on to get his body in top form which is no mean feat for anyone never mind someone who's suffered from such a devastating illness! I know he likely wouldn't have had such prolific success without the drugs but we will never know if he could have done it alone and that's the biggest loss in my mind.
I can't stand lies or liars but lets not forget that he started his foundation while he was still undergoing treatment - which is admirable in its own right! So if he was just one of our times best marketeers and realised that in order to raise awareness of testicular cancer in young men he had to do the impossible is that such a bad thing?? If he hadn't doped up then do any of us think his foundation would have raised over $320million from selling yellow bands alone??
Regardless of his cheating, he has without any shadow of a doubt been more thoughtless and active in raising funds and awareness for a good cause than any of us - for that he deserves credit.
R xx
Ah, so it's ok to be dishonest if you raise millions of pounds for good causes.
Shame they stripped Savile of his knighthood on that basis huh?"
Ehmmmm there's a bit of a difference between cheating in a competitive sport and abusing hundreds of people over a period of decades!!!!!
I ain't actually believe you would put the two in the same bag!!  |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
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Ah, so it's ok to be dishonest if you raise millions of pounds for good causes.
Shame they stripped Savile of his knighthood on that basis huh?
Ehmmmm there's a bit of a difference between cheating in a competitive sport and abusing hundreds of people over a period of decades!!!!!
I ain't actually believe you would put the two in the same bag!! "
I'd put them both in the same cell. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I know two people who had suffered from cancer who thought Lance Armstrong was inspiring. I myself couldn't buy into all the Lance Armstrong hype, and had my suspicions that he had cheated way back when he won his first couple of tour de france.
Armstrong is a nasty bit of work - anyone who has read the various books that David Walsh (journalist who exposed his doping first) has written will know the methods to Armstrong went to bully, belittle, and discredit the people who were telling the truth about him.
Hopefully justice will prevail, and he will be sued by lots of people and will get done for perjury. The people i feel sorry for are not the fellow cyclists,but the cancer suffers who he looked in the eye, and lied to them about his achievements.
I think even if he did use performance enhancing drugs, he is still an inspiration to cancer sufferers because he beat it, he then went on to get his body in top form which is no mean feat for anyone never mind someone who's suffered from such a devastating illness! I know he likely wouldn't have had such prolific success without the drugs but we will never know if he could have done it alone and that's the biggest loss in my mind.
I can't stand lies or liars but lets not forget that he started his foundation while he was still undergoing treatment - which is admirable in its own right! So if he was just one of our times best marketeers and realised that in order to raise awareness of testicular cancer in young men he had to do the impossible is that such a bad thing?? If he hadn't doped up then do any of us think his foundation would have raised over $320million from selling yellow bands alone??
Regardless of his cheating, he has without any shadow of a doubt been more thoughtless and active in raising funds and awareness for a good cause than any of us - for that he deserves credit.
R xx
Believe me, there is no way he would have won any tour de france without the various doping methods he used. He was a average Climber and Time trialist before his cancer, both of which you need to be good at to win the tour de france.
This wasn't just popping a few pills here and there when he felt jaded. This was planned far in advance, with blood being recycled to increase the number of red blood cells, and so his endurance went up.
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I've never followed the sport so had no idea what his per-cancer stats were or the methods of the alleged doping... Learn something new every day
Didn't do anything by half then! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Ah, so it's ok to be dishonest if you raise millions of pounds for good causes.
Shame they stripped Savile of his knighthood on that basis huh?
Ehmmmm there's a bit of a difference between cheating in a competitive sport and abusing hundreds of people over a period of decades!!!!!
I ain't actually believe you would put the two in the same bag!!
I'd put them both in the same cell."
I reckon you're kiddin on coz Saville was a sexual predator who continually preyed on the sick and vulnerable, people like that barely even deserve a cell. Armstrong cheated in a game, ok he probably bullied a few people to get his own way but those people were not vulnerable or sick people, and they were all paid and any one of them could have spoken out (hard as it may have been), they were not sexually abused. I would bet my life that none of Armstrong's victims of bullying would not align themselves with Saville's - it's most likely that they would choose their suffering over the suffering of Saville's victims. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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I'd put them both in the same cell.
I reckon you're kiddin on coz Saville was a sexual predator who continually preyed on the sick and vulnerable, people like that barely even deserve a cell. "
Had Savile's crimes been discovered before his death, what would you have done with/ to him?
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By (user no longer on site)
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". ...........
I'd put them both in the same cell.
I reckon you're kiddin on coz Saville was a sexual predator who continually preyed on the sick and vulnerable, people like that barely even deserve a cell.
Had Savile's crimes been discovered before his death, what would you have done with/ to him?
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I'm not sure, I'm not a believer in the eye for an eye thing, nor am I a believer in feeding people to the lions or letting the public "teach" people lessons. What I do know is that I would give prisoners very, very, very basic provisions. I would make sure their meals were nutritional enough to maintain them and there would be very minimal recreational time (I certainly wouldn't provide TV or gym equipment). However, I'm not a judge and don't seek to sentence anyone so decisions like that are way out of my remit and for a whole different thread!
R x |
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It's not like cycling's even a real sport. So I don't see the problem. Men in pants that and t shirts that are indecently tight lol ( a bit like wrestling ) he raised a lot of money for cancer support and cancer research or so I hear. So i couldn't care less if he cheated! He raised money for a very very worthy cause. If that's not commendable then what is? x |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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I'd put them both in the same cell.
I reckon you're kiddin on coz Saville was a sexual predator who continually preyed on the sick and vulnerable, people like that barely even deserve a cell.
Had Savile's crimes been discovered before his death, what would you have done with/ to him?
I'm not sure, I'm not a believer in the eye for an eye thing, nor am I a believer in feeding people to the lions or letting the public "teach" people lessons. What I do know is that I would give prisoners very, very, very basic provisions. I would make sure their meals were nutritional enough to maintain them and there would be very minimal recreational time (I certainly wouldn't provide TV or gym equipment). However, I'm not a judge and don't seek to sentence anyone so decisions like that are way out of my remit and for a whole different thread!
R x"
But if, as you say, he 'barely even deserved a cell', what would he have deserved?
A noose? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"so how many of you will watch the interview with oprah?
after all the years, its kinda jaded my faith in cycling.. even though I admire what most cyclists have to put themselves thru..."
I will be watching but not stopping up to do so. I would love to know his reasoning behind his actions and the full story but I think we will never get the full facts. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"It's not like cycling's even a real sport. So I don't see the problem. Men in pants that and t shirts that are indecently tight lol ( a bit like wrestling ) he raised a lot of money for cancer support and cancer research or so I hear. So i couldn't care less if he cheated! He raised money for a very very worthy cause. If that's not commendable then what is? x"
And if he'd robbed a bank and given the money to charity, that'd have been OK? |
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"It's not like cycling's even a real sport. So I don't see the problem. Men in pants that and t shirts that are indecently tight lol ( a bit like wrestling ) he raised a lot of money for cancer support and cancer research or so I hear. So i couldn't care less if he cheated! He raised money for a very very worthy cause. If that's not commendable then what is? x
And if he'd robbed a bank and given the money to charity, that'd have been OK?"
With the way the banks behave I'd give him a medal for it x |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"............. He raised money for a very very worthy cause. If that's not commendable then what is? x
And if he'd robbed a bank and given the money to charity, that'd have been OK?
With the way the banks behave I'd give him a medal for it x"
LOLOLOLOLOL. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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". ...........
I'd put them both in the same cell.
I reckon you're kiddin on coz Saville was a sexual predator who continually preyed on the sick and vulnerable, people like that barely even deserve a cell.
Had Savile's crimes been discovered before his death, what would you have done with/ to him?
I'm not sure, I'm not a believer in the eye for an eye thing, nor am I a believer in feeding people to the lions or letting the public "teach" people lessons. What I do know is that I would give prisoners very, very, very basic provisions. I would make sure their meals were nutritional enough to maintain them and there would be very minimal recreational time (I certainly wouldn't provide TV or gym equipment). However, I'm not a judge and don't seek to sentence anyone so decisions like that are way out of my remit and for a whole different thread!
R x
But if, as you say, he 'barely even deserved a cell', what would he have deserved?
A noose?"
No you clearly didn't read my writing, I said he barely even deserved a cell, that means he does deserve one - just. No difference to me saying I'm barely 5'2.... I am 5'2 - just. |
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"............. He raised money for a very very worthy cause. If that's not commendable then what is? x
And if he'd robbed a bank and given the money to charity, that'd have been OK?
With the way the banks behave I'd give him a medal for it x
LOLOLOLOLOL."
 lol x |
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