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By *olly Gentle Giant OP   Man  over a year ago

Glenrothes

So the PC brigade are up in arms about the BBC decision to air on radio a full reading of the poem "V" by Tony Harrison.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21024372

So what is the fuss about - the text of the poem is here. Personally, I don't see what the fuss is about when you take the full text in context.

'My father still reads the dictionary every day.

He says your life depends on your power to master words.'

Arthur Scargill

Sunday Times, 10 January 1982

Next millennium you'll have to search quite hard

to find my slab behind the family dead,

butcher, publican, and baker, now me, bard

adding poetry to their beef, beer and bread.

With Byron three graves on I'll not go short

of company, and Wordsworth's opposite.

That's two peers already, of a sort,

and we'll all be thrown together if the pit,

whose galleries once ran beneath this plot,

causes the distinguished dead to drop

into the rabblement of bone and rot,

shored slack, crushed shale, smashed prop.

Wordsworth built church organs, Byron tanned

luggage cowhide in the age of steam,

and knew their place of rest before the land

caves in on the lowest worked-out seam.

This graveyard on the brink of Beeston Hill's

the place I may well rest if there's a spot

under the rose roots and the daffodils

by which dad dignified the family plot.

If buried ashes saw then I'd survey

the places I learned Latin, and learned Greek,

and left, the ground where Leeds United play

but disappoint their fans week after week,

which makes them lose their sense of self-esteem

and taking a short cut home through these graves here

they reassert the glory of their team

by spraying words on tombstones, pissed on beer.

This graveyard stands above a worked-out pit.

Subsidence makes the obelisks all list.

One leaning left's marked FUCK, one right's marked SHIT

sprayed by some peeved supporter who was pissed.

Far-sighted for his family's future dead,

but for his wife, this banker's still alone

on his long obelisk, and doomed to head

a blackened dynasty of unclaimed stone,

now graffitied with a crude four-letter word.

His children and grandchildren went away

and never came back home to be interred,

so left a lot of space for skins to spray.

The language of this graveyard ranges from

a bit of Latin for a former Mayor

or those who laid their lives down at the Somme,

the hymnal fragments and the gilded prayer,

how people 'fell asleep in the Good Lord',

brief chisellable bits from the good book

and rhymes whatever length they could afford,

to CUNT, PISS, SHIT and (mostly) FUCK!

Or, more expansively, there's LEEDS v.

the opponent of last week, this week, or next,

and a repertoire of blunt four-letter curses

on the team or race that makes the sprayer vexed.

Then, pushed for time, or fleeing some observer,

dodging between tall family vaults and trees

like his team's best ever winger, dribbler, swerver,

fills every space he finds with versus Vs.

Vs sprayed on the run at such a lick,

the sprayer master of his flourished tool,

get short-armed on the left like that red tick

they never marked his work with much at school.

Half this skinhead's age but with approval

I helped whitewash a V on a brick wall.

No one clamoured in the press for its removal

or thought the sign, in wartime, rude at all.

These Vs are all the versuses of life

From LEEDS v. DERBY, Black/White

and (as I've known to my cost) man v. wife,

Communist v. Fascist, Left v. Right,

Class v. class as bitter as before,

the unending violence of US and THEM,

personified in 1984

by Coal Board MacGregor and the NUM,

Hindu/Sikh, soul/body, heart v. mind,

East/West, male/female, and the ground

these fixtures are fought on's Man, resigned

to hope from his future what his past never found.

The prospects for the present aren't too grand

when a swastika with NF (National Front)'s

sprayed on a grave, to which another hand

has added, in a reddish colour, CUNTS.

Which is, I grant, the word that springs to mind,

when going to clear the s and rubbish thrown

on the family plot by football fans, I find

UNITED graffitied on my parents' stone.

How many British graveyards now this May

are strewn with rubbish and choked up with s

since families and friends have gone away

for work or fuller lives, like me from Leeds?

When I first came here 40 years ago

with my dad to 'see my grandma' I was 7.

I helped dad with the flowers. He let me know

she'd gone to join my grandad up in Heaven.

My dad who came each week to bring fresh flowers

came home with clay stains on his trouser knees.

Since my parents' deaths I've spent 2 hours

made up of odd 10 minutes such as these.

Flying visits once or twice a year,

And though I'm horrified just who's to blame

that I find instead of flowers cans of beer

and more than one grave sprayed with some skin's name?

Where there were flower urns and troughs of water

And mesh receptacles for withered flowers

are the HARP tins of some skinhead Leeds supporter.

It isn't all his fault though. Much is ours.

5 kids, with one in goal, play 2-a-side.

When the ball bangs on the hawthorn that's one post

and petals fall they hum Here Comes the Bride

though not so loud they'd want to rouse a ghost.

They boot the ball on purpose at the trunk

and make the tree shed showers of shrivelled may.

I look at this word graffitied by some d*unk

and I'm in half a mind to let it stay.

(Though honesty demands that I say if

I'd wanted to take the necessary pains

to scrub the skin's inscription off

I only had an hour between trains.

So the feelings that I had as I stood gazing

and the significance I saw could be a sham,

mere excuses for not patiently erasing

the word sprayed on the grave of dad and mam.)

This pen's all I have of magic wand.

I know this world's so torn but want no other

except for dad who'd hoped from 'the beyond'

a better life than this one, with my mother.

Though I don't believe in afterlife at all

and know it's cheating it's hard not to make

a sort of furtive prayer from this skin's scrawl,

his UNITED mean 'in Heaven' for their sake,

an accident of meaning to redeem

an act intended as mere desecration

and make the thoughtless spraying of his team

apply to higher things, and to the nation.

Some, where kids use aerosols, use giant signs

to let the people know who's forged their fetters

Like PRI CE O WALES above West Yorkshire mines

(no prizes for who nicked the missing letters!)

The big blue star for booze, tobacco ads,

the magnet's monogram, the royal crest,

insignia in neon dwarf the lads

who spray a few odd FUCKS when they're depressed.

Letters of transparent tubes and gas

in Düsseldorf are blue and flash out KRUPP.

Arms are hoisted for the British ruling class

and clandestine, genteel aggro keeps them up.

And there's HARRISON on some Leeds building sites

I've taken in fun as blazoning my name,

which I've also seen on books, in Broadway lights,

so why can't skins with spraycans do the same?

But why inscribe these graves with CUNT and SHIT?

Why choose neglected tombstones to disfigure?

This pitman's of last century daubed PAKI GIT,

this grocer Broadbent's aerosolled with NIGGER?

They're there to shock the living, not arouse

the dead from their deep peace to lend support

for the causes skinhead spraycans could espouse.

The dead would want their desecrators caught!

Jobless though they are how can these kids,

even though their team's lost one more game,

believe that the 'Pakis', 'Niggers', even 'Yids'

sprayed on the tombstones here should bear the blame?

What is it that these crude words are revealing?

What is it that this aggro act implies?

Giving the dead their xenophobic feeling

or just a cri-de-coeur because man dies?

So what's a cri-de-coeur, cunt? Can't you speak

the language that yer mam spoke. Think of 'er!

Can yer only get yer tongue round fucking Greek?

Go and fuck yourself with cri-de-coeur!

'She didn't talk like you do for a start!'

I shouted, turning where I thought the voice had been.

She didn't understand yer fucking 'art'!

She thought yer fucking poetry obscene!

I wish on this skin's words deep aspirations,

first the prayer for my parents I can't make,

then a call to Britain and to all nations

made in the name of love for peace's sake.

Aspirations, cunt! Folk on t'fucking dole

'ave got about as much scope to aspire

above the shit they're dumped in, cunt, as coal

aspires to be chucked on t'fucking fire.

'OK, forget the aspirations. Look, I know

United's losing gets you fans incensed

and how far the HARP inside you makes you go

but all these Vs: against! against! against!

Ah'll tell yer then what really riles a bloke.

It's reading on their graves the jobs they did –

Butcher, publican and baker. Me, I'll croak

doing t'same nowt ah do now as a kid.

'ard birth ah wor, mi mam says, almost killed 'er.

Death after life on t'dole won't seem as 'ard!

Look at this cunt, Wordsworth, organ builder,

This fucking 'aberdasher Appleyard!

If mi mam's up there, don't want to meet 'er

listening to me list mi dirty deeds,

and 'ave to pipe up to St fucking Peter

ah've been on t'dole all mi life in fucking Leeds!

Then t'Alleluias stick in t'angels' gobs.

When dole-wallahs fuck off to the void

What'll t'mason carve up for their jobs?

The cunts who lieth 'ere wor unemployed?

This lot worked at one job all life through.

Byron, 'Tanner', 'Lieth 'ere interred'.

They'll chisel fucking poet when they do you

and that, yer cunt, 's a crude four-letter word.

'Listen, cunt!' I said, 'before you start your jeering

the reason why I want this in a book

's to give ungrateful cunts like you a hearing!'

A book, yer stupid cunt, 's not worth a fuck!

'The only reason why I write this poem at all

on yobs like you who do the dirt on death

's to give some higher meaning to your scrawl.'

Don't fucking bother, cunt! Don't waste your breath!

'You piss-artist skinhead cunt, you wouldn't know

and it doesn't fucking matter if you do,

the skin and poet united fucking Rimbaud

but the autre that je est is fucking you.'

Ah've told yer, no more Greek...That's yer last warning!

Ah'll boot yer fucking balls to Kingdom Come.

They'll find yer cold on t'grave tomorrer morning.

So don't speak Greek. Don't treat me like I'm dumb.

'I've done my bits of mindless aggro too

not half a mile from where we're standing now.'

Yeah, ah bet yer wrote a poem, yer wanker you!

'No, shut yer gob a while. Ah'll tell yer 'ow...'

'Herman Darewski's band played operetta

with a wobbly soprano warbling. Just why

I made my mind up that I'd got to get her

with the fire hose I can't say, but I'll try.

It wasn't just the singing angered me.

At the same time half a crowd was jeering

as the smooth Hugh Gaitskill, our MP,

made promises the other half were cheering.

What I hated in those high soprano ranges

was uplift beyond all reason and control

and in a world where you say nothing changes

it seemed a sort of prick-tease of the soul.

I tell you when I heard high notes that rose

above Hugh Gaitskill's cool electioneering

straight from the warbling throat right up my nose

I had all your aggro in my jeering.

And I hit the fire extinguisher ON knob

and covered orchestra and audience with spray.

I could run as fast as you then. A good job!

They yelled 'damned vandal' after me that day...'

And then yer saw the light and up 'eavy!

And knew a man's not how much he can sup...

Yer reward for growing up's this super-bevvy,

a meths and champagne punch ini t'FA Cup.

Ah've 'eard all that from old farts past their prime.

'ow now yer live wi' all yer once detested...

Old farts with not much left'll give me time.

Fuckers like that get folk like me arrested.

Covet not thy neighbour's wife, thy neighbour's riches.

Vicar and cop who say, to save our souls,

Get thee beHind me, Satan, drop their breeches

and get the Devil's dick right up their 'oles!

It was more a working marriage that I'd meant,

a blend of masculine and feminine.

Ignoring me, he started looking, bent

on some more aerosolling, for his tin.

'It was more a working marriage that I mean!'

Fuck, and save mi soul, eh? That suits me.

Then as if I'd egged him on to be obscene

he added a middle slit to one daubed V.

Don't talk to me of fucking representing

the class yer were born into any more.

Yer going to get 'urt and start resenting

it's not poetry we need in this class war.

Yer've given yerself toffee, cunt. Who needs

yer fucking poufy words. Ah write mi own.

Ah've got mi work on show all ovver Leeds

like this UNITED 'ere on some sod's stone.

'OK!' (thinking I had him trapped) 'OK!'

'If you're so proud of it, then sign your name

when next you're full of HARP and armed with spray,

next time you take this short cut from the game.'

He took the can, contemptuous, unhurried

and cleared the nozzle and prepared to sign

the UNITED sprayed where mam and dad were buried.

He aerosolled his name. And it was mine.

The boy footballers bawl Here Comes the Bride

and drifting blossoms fall onto my head.

One half of me's alive but one half died

when the skin half sprayed my name among the dead.

Half versus half, the enemies within

the heart that can't be whole till they unite.

As I stoop to grab the crushed HARP lager tin

the day's already dusk, half dark, half light.

That UNITED that I'd wished onto the nation

or as reunion for dead parents soon recedes.

The word's once more a mindless desecration

by some HARPoholic yob supporting Leeds.

Almost the time for ghosts I'd better scram.

Though not given much to fears of spooky scaring

I don't fancy an encounter with mi mam

playing Hamlet with me for this swearing.

Though I've a train to catch my step is slow.

I walk on the grass and graves with wary tread

over these subsidences, these shifts below

the life of Leeds supported by the dead.

Further underneath's that cavernous hollow

that makes the gravestones lean towards the town.

A matter of mere time and it will swallow

this place of rest and all the resters down.

I tell myself I've got, say, 30 years.

At 75 this place will suit me fine.

I've never feared the grave but what I fear's

that great worked-out black hollow under mine.

Not train departure time, and not Town Hall

with the great white clock face I can see,

coal, that began, with no man here at all,

as 300 million-year-old plant debris.

5 kids still play at making blossoms fall

and humming as they do Here Comes the Bride.

They never seem to tire of their ball

though I hear a woman's voice call one inside.

2 larking boys play bawdy bride and groom.

3 boys in Leeds strip la-la Lohengrin.

I hear them as I go through growing gloom

still years away from being skald or skin.

The ground's carpeted with petals as I throw

the aerosol, the HARP can, the cleared s

on top of dad's dead daffodils, then go,

with not one glance behind, away from Leeds.

The bus to the station's still the No. 1

but goes by routes that I don't recognise.

I look out for known landmarks as the sun

reddens the swabs of cloud in darkening skies.

Home, home, home, to my woman as the red

darkens from a fresh blood to a dried.

Home, home to my woman, home to bed

where opposites seem sometimes unified.

A pensioner in turban taps his stick

along the pavement past the corner shop,

that sells samosas now, not beer on tick,

to the Kashmir Muslim Club that was the Co-op.

House after house FOR SALE where we'd played cricket

with white roses cut from flour-sacks on our caps,

with stumps chalked on the coal-grate for our wicket,

and every one bought now by 'coloured chaps',

dad's most liberal label as he felt

squeezed by the unfamiliar, and fear

of foreign food and faces, when he smelt

curry in the shop where he'd bought beer.

And growing frailer, 'wobbly on his pins',

the shops he felt familiar with withdrew

which meant much longer tiring treks for tins

that had a label on them that he knew.

And as the shops that stocked his favourites receded

whereas he'd fancied beans and popped next door,

he found that four long treks a week were needed

till he wondered what he bothered eating for.

The supermarket made him feel embarrassed.

Where people bought whole lambs for family freezers

he bought baked beans from check-out girls too harassed

to smile or swap a joke with sad old geezers.

But when he bought his cigs he'd have a chat,

his week's one conversation, truth to tell,

but time also came and put a stop to that

when old Wattsy got bought out by M. Patel.

And there, 'Time like an ever rolling stream''s

What I once trilled behind that boarded front.

A 1000 ages made coal-bearing seams

and even more the hand that sprayed this CUNT

on both Methodist and C of E billboards

once divided in their fight for local souls.

Whichever house more truly was the Lord's

both's pews are filled with cut-price toilet rolls.

Home, home to my woman, never to return

till sexton or survivor has to cram

the bits of clinker scooped out of my urn

down through the rose-roots to my dad and mam.

Home, home to my woman, where the fire's lit

these still chilly mid-May evenings, home to you,

and perished vegetation from the pit

escaping insubstantial up the flue.

Listening to Lulu, in our hearth we burn,

As we hear the high Cs rise in stereo,

what was lush swamp club-moss and tree-fern

at least 300 million years ago.

Shilbottle cobbles, Alban Berg high D

lifted from a source that bears your name,

the one we hear decay, the one we see,

the fern from the foetid forest, as brief flame.

This world, with far too many people in,

starts on the TV logo as a taw,

then ping-pong, tennis, football; then one spin

to show us all, then shots of the Gulf War.

As the coal with reddish dust cools in the grate

on the late-night national news we see

police v. pickets at a -plant grate,

old violence and old disunity.

The map that's colour-coded Ulster/Eire's

flashed on again as almost every night.

Behind a tiny coffin with two bearers

men in masks with arms show off their might.

The day's last images recede to first a glow

and then a ball that shrinks back to a blank screen.

Turning to love, and sleep's oblivion, I know

what the UNITED that the skin sprayed has to mean.

Hanging my clothes up, from my parka hood

may and apple petals, browned and creased,

fall onto the carpet and bring back the flood

of feelings their first falling had released.

I hear like ghosts from all Leeds matches humming

with one concerted voice the bride, the bride

I feel united to, my bride is coming

into the bedroom, naked, to my side.

The ones we choose to love become our anchor

when the hawser of the blood-tie's hacked, or frays.

But a voice that scorns chorales is yelling: Wanker!

It's the aerosolling skin I met today's.

My alter ego wouldn't want to know it,

His aerosol vocab would baulk at LOVE,

the skin's UNITED underwrites the poet,

the measures carved below the ones above.

I doubt if 30 years of bleak Leeds weather

and 30 falls of apple and of may

will erode the UNITED binding us together.

And now it's your decision: does it stay?

Next millennium you'll have to search quite hard

to find out where I'm buried but I'm near

the grave of haberdasher Appleyard,

the pile of HARPs, or some new neonned beer.

Find Byron, Wordsworth, or turn left between

one grave marked Broadbent, one marked Richardson.

Bring some solution with you that can clean

whatever new crude words have been sprayed on.

If love of art, or love, gives you affront

that the grave I'm in 's graffitied then, maybe,

erase the more offensive FUCK and CUNT

but leave, with the worn UNITED, one small v.

Victory? For vast, slow, coal-creating forces

that hew the body's seams to get the soul.

Will earth run out of her 'diurnal courses'

before repeating her creation of black coal?

If, having come this far, somebody reads

these verses, and he/she wants to understand,

face this grave on Beeston Hill, your back to Leeds,

and read the chiselled epitaph I've planned:

Beneath your feet's a poet, then a pit.

Poetry supporter, if you're here to find

How poems can grow from (beat you to it!) SHIT

find the beef, the beer, the bread, then look behind.

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By *acdoodleMan  over a year ago

Birmingham

No wonder people don't read poetry after leaving school anymore. Can you blame them? x

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

could understnad how offence could be taken with all the langauge, though i thought it was very good well written, and appropiate to todays times,

Bit long winded

Sick of the Pc Brigade

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Maybe the "PC" brigade just think its crap.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire

maybe its not the pc brigade whoever they are..

might just be too long and boring..?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

If shit like that is keeping the pc brigade busy then good.

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By *B9 QueenWoman  over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Who the feck are the 'pc brigade'?? Is there a club - membership - rules??? I hate that phrase. It is meaningless and only used to shut down discussion.

Shout 'PC BRIGADE' and everyone pays no attention to the actual arguments being proposed or counter-proposed.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Shout 'PC Brigade' and 90% of people will think you mean IT Support.

As for that 'poetry', its hardly

'To Strive, To Seek, To Find, But not to Yield' is it?

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"If shit like that is keeping the pc brigade busy then good. "

Add another 50 V(ersus) and confuse the shit

Out of pc brigades who just don't get it

And then, maybe, we'll all get to rest

Safe in our graves while they try their best

To figure out why they're still trying why

They're mightily pissed off about where I lie.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I'm with Stephen Fry;

.

“It’s now very common to hear people say, ‘I’m rather offended by that.’ As if that gives them certain rights; it’s actually nothing more….. It’s simply a whine.

It’s no more than a whine. ‘I find that offensive,’ it has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. ‘I am offended by that.’

Well so fucking what?”

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Life's to bloody short to read all that drivel. Can someone give me the gist and tell me why I should/shouldn't be offended.

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By *acdoodleMan  over a year ago

Birmingham


"Life's to bloody short to read all that drivel. Can someone give me the gist and tell me why I should/shouldn't be offended."

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Life's to bloody short to read all that drivel. Can someone give me the gist and tell me why I should/shouldn't be offended."

The Daily Mail labelled it a 'torrent of filth'..does that help

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Life's to bloody short to read all that drivel. Can someone give me the gist and tell me why I should/shouldn't be offended.

The Daily Mail labelled it a 'torrent of filth'..does that help "

As a rule, I take what the Daily Wail says with a huge pinch of salt and then think/do the exact opposite.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Fucks sake bring back pam ayres

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By *andd2Couple  over a year ago

The Dungeon

Without wishing to sound snobby but I love that poem. It's evocative, insightful and thoughtful. It reminds us that mindless violence and ignorance are not just the preserves of the right but also the left and that society in general is collapsing into a mere base emotions.

Tbh, from some of the moans in here about its length, style etc you we're expecting or wanting to read something more classical in structure. Poets like the great Shamus Heaney started with classical structures but soon moved to a more complex style. This is to be expected and desired, otherwise all poetry would sound the same, be the same and be extraordinarily boring. Like all things, if you don't like it avoid it. I love poetry and read some as often as possible.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Compared to some, it isn't actually that long. It appears longer than you think when viewed on this site. Listen to a good actor read it, and you would lap it up.

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It's only taken the Daily Wail 28 years to get offended by this poem as it was written in 1985.

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By *olly Gentle Giant OP   Man  over a year ago

Glenrothes


"Without wishing to sound snobby but I love that poem. It's evocative, insightful and thoughtful. It reminds us that mindless violence and ignorance are not just the preserves of the right but also the left and that society in general is collapsing into a mere base emotions.

Tbh, from some of the moans in here about its length, style etc you we're expecting or wanting to read something more classical in structure. Poets like the great Shamus Heaney started with classical structures but soon moved to a more complex style. This is to be expected and desired, otherwise all poetry would sound the same, be the same and be extraordinarily boring. Like all things, if you don't like it avoid it. I love poetry and read some as often as possible."

Well said

And apologies to the rest for the format - this is due to the limitations of the forum. The original acticle is neatly in stanza and verse

Go google if stanza and verse are too confusing.

The issue with the poem is the fact that it uses a few sweary words - well as is apparent from the poem, sweary words are a fact of life. The fact that the hush puppy brigade dont like hearing or reading such words is their problem.

If the said brigade dusted down their OED they would find of the "fuck" word:

Origin:

early 16th century: of Germanic origin (compare Swedish dialect focka and Dutch dialect fokkelen); possibly from an Indo-European root meaning 'strike', shared by Latin pugnus 'fist'

Despite the wideness and proliferation of its use in many sections of society, the word fuck remains (and has been for centuries) one of the most taboo words in English. Until relatively recently it rarely appeared in print; even today, there are a number of euphemistic ways of referring to it in speech and writing, e.g. the F-word, f***, or f—k.

So a centuries old word is still taboo in the 21st century. Nuff said

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple  over a year ago

in Lancashire

so spotting someone wearing hush puppies is the way to recognise a member of the PC brigade..?

sorted....

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By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I think it's a wonderful poem, and I'm a card-carrying member of the looney-left PC (for PC read: good manners) brigade and, for that matter, a Dirty Leeds - Don Revie was a cunt - hater.

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