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over a year ago
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Hey,
I'm thinking of having my first tattoo and it's going to be quite large ... how long and what aftercare will be needed?
Thanks in advance lovelies  |
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"Hey,
I'm thinking of having my first tattoo and it's going to be quite large ... how long and what aftercare will be needed?
Thanks in advance lovelies "
Aloe Vera. Depends how big. My ex had hers, and it took a week to calm down. They do, however, look awesome  |
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over a year ago
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"Hey,
I'm thinking of having my first tattoo and it's going to be quite large ... how long and what aftercare will be needed?
Thanks in advance lovelies
Aloe Vera. Depends how big. My ex had hers, and it took a week to calm down. They do, however, look awesome "
Thanks ... it'll need doing in stages but don't want to take time off work  |
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"Hey,
I'm thinking of having my first tattoo and it's going to be quite large ... how long and what aftercare will be needed?
Thanks in advance lovelies
Aloe Vera. Depends how big. My ex had hers, and it took a week to calm down. They do, however, look awesome
Thanks ... it'll need doing in stages but don't want to take time off work "
How big is it?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Definitely coconut oil.
I still wrapped it with clingfilm for a couple of days, more so because I was busy rushing around doing stuff and didn't want to knock it. Fresh clingfilm every time I applied coconut oil.
No picking!!
Time frame... It can vary, but give it a good few weeks anyway.
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Time will depend on size and intricacy. The tattooist will tell you when you discuss what you're getting. Same with aftercare. What I've been told has changed over the years. My last one said to use cocoa butter. There's also keeping it clingfilm covered for the first day or so (changing regularly for hygiene). Be prepared for the itching when it scabs, so difficult not to scratch it. |
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Ask your tattoo artist. The advice has changed so much over the years. The products available now are great at protecting your tattoo from damage and scarring, stuff like secondskin are game changers. |
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I'm thinking of having my first tattoo and it's going to be quite large ... how long and what aftercare will be needed?
Thanks in advance lovelies "
Your tattooist should guide you in aftercare. warm (not hot) water to keep it clean, dab dry not rub. I use baby lotion to keep skin and scabs supple while healing.
2/3 weeks, you want the scabs to fall off slow and natural; too quick and they pull ink out with them.
Oh, and resist the urge to scratch x |
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over a year ago
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If you have underlying health conditions that prolong healing, they can take longer to heal on you than on others
My tattooists (and there have been 3) have always recommended bepanthan to help with initial care |
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By *adyBugsWoman
over a year ago
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Do your homework. Use a reputable artist who creates styles you like. If you can walk in without an appointment I would have a serious think about it before going. Very few really good artists will be able to do walk ins, most have waiting lists of several weeks.
Also, regarding after care do not follow anyone else’s instructions other than the artist. They know their inks, they know their skills, they will have been tattooing a long time so listen to them. There are many ways to make sure it heals nicely but your artist will advise you on their suggested method. Listen to them.
The same goes for design and placement, if they suggest a change it’s usually because they know it’ll look better, after all this is their livelihood and you are an advert for them so they won’t want a bad walking advert.
Finally, listen to your instincts about them and the process, if you have any bad vibes about it walk away, there’s plenty of other artists out there that you’ll feel more comfortable with. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Do your homework. Use a reputable artist who creates styles you like. If you can walk in without an appointment I would have a serious think about it before going. Very few really good artists will be able to do walk ins, most have waiting lists of several weeks.
Also, regarding after care do not follow anyone else’s instructions other than the artist. They know their inks, they know their skills, they will have been tattooing a long time so listen to them. There are many ways to make sure it heals nicely but your artist will advise you on their suggested method. Listen to them.
The same goes for design and placement, if they suggest a change it’s usually because they know it’ll look better, after all this is their livelihood and you are an advert for them so they won’t want a bad walking advert.
Finally, listen to your instincts about them and the process, if you have any bad vibes about it walk away, there’s plenty of other artists out there that you’ll feel more comfortable with."
I've found a tattoo artist that I love his work but will involve a lot of travelling! I'll be speaking to him as the first step for sure ... |
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"Hey,
I'm thinking of having my first tattoo and it's going to be quite large ... how long and what aftercare will be needed?
Thanks in advance lovelies
Aloe Vera. Depends how big. My ex had hers, and it took a week to calm down. They do, however, look awesome
Thanks ... it'll need doing in stages but don't want to take time off work
How big is it? "
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By *adyBugsWoman
over a year ago
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"Do your homework. Use a reputable artist who creates styles you like. If you can walk in without an appointment I would have a serious think about it before going. Very few really good artists will be able to do walk ins, most have waiting lists of several weeks.
Also, regarding after care do not follow anyone else’s instructions other than the artist. They know their inks, they know their skills, they will have been tattooing a long time so listen to them. There are many ways to make sure it heals nicely but your artist will advise you on their suggested method. Listen to them.
The same goes for design and placement, if they suggest a change it’s usually because they know it’ll look better, after all this is their livelihood and you are an advert for them so they won’t want a bad walking advert.
Finally, listen to your instincts about them and the process, if you have any bad vibes about it walk away, there’s plenty of other artists out there that you’ll feel more comfortable with.
I've found a tattoo artist that I love his work but will involve a lot of travelling! I'll be speaking to him as the first step for sure ... "
That’s great! I wish you luck and also enjoy the experience  |
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Your skin may react differently to what the tattooist advises for aftercare, so get a few options in stock to cover all options.
Personally for MY skincare I never cover after the initial film wrap. Wash gently twice a day with kids bodywash and moisture with a light shiny covering of bepanthen and it never scabs. I'm on my 7th now with a half sleeve in progress
I reacted to coconut butter and e45 on my first tattoo 28 years ago, so it is trial and error with what works, with your skins healing process.
Never Ever pick it though. |
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over a year ago
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"Your skin may react differently to what the tattooist advises for aftercare, so get a few options in stock to cover all options.
Personally for MY skincare I never cover after the initial film wrap. Wash gently twice a day with kids bodywash and moisture with a light shiny covering of bepanthen and it never scabs. I'm on my 7th now with a half sleeve in progress
I reacted to coconut butter and e45 on my first tattoo 28 years ago, so it is trial and error with what works, with your skins healing process.
Never Ever pick it though. "
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"Your skin may react differently to what the tattooist advises for aftercare, so get a few options in stock to cover all options.
Personally for MY skincare I never cover after the initial film wrap. Wash gently twice a day with kids bodywash and moisture with a light shiny covering of bepanthen and it never scabs. I'm on my 7th now with a half sleeve in progress
I reacted to coconut butter and e45 on my first tattoo 28 years ago, so it is trial and error with what works, with your skins healing process.
Never Ever pick it though.
Oh thanks! Didn't think of that, sound advice "
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By *oo..Woman
over a year ago
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The best answer for aftercare is you won't actually know until you can see how your skin accepts the ink to start with....
Day sessions are usually how most artists like to do large tattoos , so anything from a 9am to 5pm slot or 10am to 6pm.
This also depends if you can handle putting in shifts like that to get a tattoo finished.
I have a couple of times but it is a long slog to do.
My tattoo artist uses a special covering when it's done which is like a second skin.
It stays on for a week to 10 days, all the healing/leakage happens under the protective covering so once you actually remove it, you give it a wash with baby soap and it's done. No flaking/itching or risks of knocking bits of scabbed over tattoo off and ruining the design.
Everyone is different , bepanthen cream for me is hideous stuff as my skin can't breathe through it and it made one of my smaller tattoos get infected.
Research and take your time is the best solutions for any successful tattoo and definitely no drinking prior to long sessions as you'll bleed everywhere!  |
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By *adeiteWoman
over a year ago
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Bapanthen for after or if they have their own tattoo balm get that. The bigger the tattoo the more scabbing. Don't itch it atall. Slap it. Keep it hydrated/moisturised but no hot showers. Luke warm water to wash with the most mild unfragranced soap, be very gentle. Once it scabs, good luck. Depending where it is it can be a bitch to move once the healings fully kicked in. Picking said scabs can result in removing the ink, leaving a bad scar and needing touch ups. You tattoo with never look as good as it does once fresh. Remember once healed to cover in sunscreen to prevent fading over time. It will hurt. It will be addictive. And it will be worth the pain. |
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"Bapanthen for after or if they have their own tattoo balm get that. The bigger the tattoo the more scabbing. Don't itch it atall. Slap it. Keep it hydrated/moisturised but no hot showers. Luke warm water to wash with the most mild unfragranced soap, be very gentle. Once it scabs, good luck. Depending where it is it can be a bitch to move once the healings fully kicked in. Picking said scabs can result in removing the ink, leaving a bad scar and needing touch ups. You tattoo with never look as good as it does once fresh. Remember once healed to cover in sunscreen to prevent fading over time. It will hurt. It will be addictive. And it will be worth the pain. "
Ohhhhh sunscreen? Used forever? |
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"Hey,
I'm thinking of having my first tattoo and it's going to be quite large ... how long and what aftercare will be needed?
Thanks in advance lovelies "
First thing is to keep it clean and dry... so don't get it wet in Bath or shower for the first couple of days. . I used dettol soap to gently clean mine...you'll probably find it gets itchy after a couple of days... resist the urge to scratch!! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"The best answer for aftercare is you won't actually know until you can see how your skin accepts the ink to start with....
Day sessions are usually how most artists like to do large tattoos , so anything from a 9am to 5pm slot or 10am to 6pm.
This also depends if you can handle putting in shifts like that to get a tattoo finished.
I have a couple of times but it is a long slog to do.
My tattoo artist uses a special covering when it's done which is like a second skin.
It stays on for a week to 10 days, all the healing/leakage happens under the protective covering so once you actually remove it, you give it a wash with baby soap and it's done. No flaking/itching or risks of knocking bits of scabbed over tattoo off and ruining the design.
Everyone is different , bepanthen cream for me is hideous stuff as my skin can't breathe through it and it made one of my smaller tattoos get infected.
Research and take your time is the best solutions for any successful tattoo and definitely no drinking prior to long sessions as you'll bleed everywhere! "
Hadn't even thought about the length of the session! Not that good at sitting still |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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My large leftside of back tatt, was a full day and a half day. After care, is very damp cloth for any blood smears dont rub or scrape or scratch. Then Bepanthen (nappy care ointm ) twice a day gently applied.Do this for 10 to 14 days. You will get terrible itching as it cures and possible small scabs, dont scratch or pull off the scabs. 2 weeks of hell really but then enjoy !! |
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"My large leftside of back tatt, was a full day and a half day. After care, is very damp cloth for any blood smears dont rub or scrape or scratch. Then Bepanthen (nappy care ointm ) twice a day gently applied.Do this for 10 to 14 days. You will get terrible itching as it cures and possible small scabs, dont scratch or pull off the scabs. 2 weeks of hell really but then enjoy !!"
Just to say you should be advised aftercare by the tattooist anyways its part of their job. |
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over a year ago
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Bepantham (nappy rash cream). We’re both tattooed and swear by it. In response to healing, it depends on the size and the individual. Mr’s heal quicker than mine yet mine are small
Mrs |
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By *EAT..85Woman
over a year ago
Nottingham |
Your tattoo artist is the person to ask. But shop around for your artist and don't choose based on cost. This is art work on your body for the rest of your life.
I've always used bepanthen on my tats, but I used a natural tea tree ointment on my last one in January and it didn't scab over at all, it was a very different healing process and will be my chosen method going forwards.
You will get 30 different responses saying 30 different things on here! |
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By *nkyCplCouple
over a year ago
Northampton |
Some reallllllllly bad advice in here (some good too). I’m about 90% covered, have pieces from some of the best artists, have some truly awful tattoos from shit artists and consider myself a bit of a tattoo snob these days.
Regarding aftercare; as a couple have mentioned speak to your artist, they’ll give the best advice, however do NOT use bepanthen, sudocreme, or keep clingfilmed. Everyone heals different and it depends on a lot of different factors.
My personal healing process now mostly depends on the size & placement, but let’s say it’s a hand sized piece on thigh. For that I’ll usually keep the dressing the artist applies on for up to 2 hours (remove sooner if leaking), wash hands thoroughly then clean the tattoo with hot water only until all gunk/plasma clear. I then apply second skin (or equivalent) over the tattoo and this typically stays on for 4-5 days (I chance sooner if leaking, itching bad, react etc). I then remove in a hot shower and clean thoroughly with warm water again. At this point it’s typically healed past the scabbing (hence the second skin) and I then apply a VERY thin amount of hustle butter. Repeat morning & night until fully healed.
Healing time is impossible to give really as everyone’s different. Again speak to your artist, but typically a couple of weeks before settles and stay away from pools, sea, sunbeds, scented baths etc.
Best piece of advice though…
- Do A LOT of research and pick your artist based on their work, not their price or location. A good tattoo ain’t cheap and a cheap tattoo ain’t good. |
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By *4bimMan
over a year ago
Farnborough Hampshire |
my tattoo artist was fantastic.
my skin was a mess after the fire and he designed everything, spoke to me at length about the process and all the aftercare.
my body was still giving me a burning sensation before he started so the pain wasnt a factor.
spent a lot of money but i get a lot of nice comments about them.
used after inked to look after them.
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over a year ago
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"my tattoo artist was fantastic.
my skin was a mess after the fire and he designed everything, spoke to me at length about the process and all the aftercare.
my body was still giving me a burning sensation before he started so the pain wasnt a factor.
spent a lot of money but i get a lot of nice comments about them.
used after inked to look after them.
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After inked? |
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over a year ago
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"Some reallllllllly bad advice in here (some good too). I’m about 90% covered, have pieces from some of the best artists, have some truly awful tattoos from shit artists and consider myself a bit of a tattoo snob these days.
Regarding aftercare; as a couple have mentioned speak to your artist, they’ll give the best advice, however do NOT use bepanthen, sudocreme, or keep clingfilmed. Everyone heals different and it depends on a lot of different factors.
My personal healing process now mostly depends on the size & placement, but let’s say it’s a hand sized piece on thigh. For that I’ll usually keep the dressing the artist applies on for up to 2 hours (remove sooner if leaking), wash hands thoroughly then clean the tattoo with hot water only until all gunk/plasma clear. I then apply second skin (or equivalent) over the tattoo and this typically stays on for 4-5 days (I chance sooner if leaking, itching bad, react etc). I then remove in a hot shower and clean thoroughly with warm water again. At this point it’s typically healed past the scabbing (hence the second skin) and I then apply a VERY thin amount of hustle butter. Repeat morning & night until fully healed.
Healing time is impossible to give really as everyone’s different. Again speak to your artist, but typically a couple of weeks before settles and stay away from pools, sea, sunbeds, scented baths etc.
Best piece of advice though…
- Do A LOT of research and pick your artist based on their work, not their price or location. A good tattoo ain’t cheap and a cheap tattoo ain’t good."
Thanks glad I asked now as so much to think about! |
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I used bepanthen on my legafter my first session and I've never had an itch like it. That got sent the journey quickly. Like someone else said, make sure you have options cause people's skins react differently. E45 cream brings me out in a rash, like instantly. |
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"Some reallllllllly bad advice in here (some good too). I’m about 90% covered, have pieces from some of the best artists, have some truly awful tattoos from shit artists and consider myself a bit of a tattoo snob these days.
Regarding aftercare; as a couple have mentioned speak to your artist, they’ll give the best advice, however do NOT use bepanthen, sudocreme, or keep clingfilmed. Everyone heals different and it depends on a lot of different factors.
My personal healing process now mostly depends on the size & placement, but let’s say it’s a hand sized piece on thigh. For that I’ll usually keep the dressing the artist applies on for up to 2 hours (remove sooner if leaking), wash hands thoroughly then clean the tattoo with hot water only until all gunk/plasma clear. I then apply second skin (or equivalent) over the tattoo and this typically stays on for 4-5 days (I chance sooner if leaking, itching bad, react etc). I then remove in a hot shower and clean thoroughly with warm water again. At this point it’s typically healed past the scabbing (hence the second skin) and I then apply a VERY thin amount of hustle butter. Repeat morning & night until fully healed.
Healing time is impossible to give really as everyone’s different. Again speak to your artist, but typically a couple of weeks before settles and stay away from pools, sea, sunbeds, scented baths etc.
Best piece of advice though…
- Do A LOT of research and pick your artist based on their work, not their price or location. A good tattoo ain’t cheap and a cheap tattoo ain’t good."
I'll put this down to an opinion rather than fact. But you're wrong to tell people not to use Bepanthem as its recommended by top Artists and it works especially for me and others on here, so its not a 'Dont use' as you say. |
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By *4bimMan
over a year ago
Farnborough Hampshire |
"my tattoo artist was fantastic.
my skin was a mess after the fire and he designed everything, spoke to me at length about the process and all the aftercare.
my body was still giving me a burning sensation before he started so the pain wasnt a factor.
spent a lot of money but i get a lot of nice comments about them.
used after inked to look after them.
After inked? "
after inked. its a tattoo aftercare lotion |
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over a year ago
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"my tattoo artist was fantastic.
my skin was a mess after the fire and he designed everything, spoke to me at length about the process and all the aftercare.
my body was still giving me a burning sensation before he started so the pain wasnt a factor.
spent a lot of money but i get a lot of nice comments about them.
used after inked to look after them.
After inked?
after inked. its a tattoo aftercare lotion"
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By *nkyCplCouple
over a year ago
Northampton |
"Some reallllllllly bad advice in here (some good too). I’m about 90% covered, have pieces from some of the best artists, have some truly awful tattoos from shit artists and consider myself a bit of a tattoo snob these days.
Regarding aftercare; as a couple have mentioned speak to your artist, they’ll give the best advice, however do NOT use bepanthen, sudocreme, or keep clingfilmed. Everyone heals different and it depends on a lot of different factors.
My personal healing process now mostly depends on the size & placement, but let’s say it’s a hand sized piece on thigh. For that I’ll usually keep the dressing the artist applies on for up to 2 hours (remove sooner if leaking), wash hands thoroughly then clean the tattoo with hot water only until all gunk/plasma clear. I then apply second skin (or equivalent) over the tattoo and this typically stays on for 4-5 days (I chance sooner if leaking, itching bad, react etc). I then remove in a hot shower and clean thoroughly with warm water again. At this point it’s typically healed past the scabbing (hence the second skin) and I then apply a VERY thin amount of hustle butter. Repeat morning & night until fully healed.
Healing time is impossible to give really as everyone’s different. Again speak to your artist, but typically a couple of weeks before settles and stay away from pools, sea, sunbeds, scented baths etc.
Best piece of advice though…
- Do A LOT of research and pick your artist based on their work, not their price or location. A good tattoo ain’t cheap and a cheap tattoo ain’t good.
I'll put this down to an opinion rather than fact. But you're wrong to tell people not to use Bepanthem as its recommended by top Artists and it works especially for me and others on here, so its not a 'Dont use' as you say."
Not at all. Bepanthen used to be good, but they changed it a while ago.
It’s probably the one myself (and very artist I know) recommend to stay away from the most. Too thick and too greasy.
None of the artists I’ve seen recommend it, but if it works for you crack on I guess. |
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By *4bimMan
over a year ago
Farnborough Hampshire |
"my tattoo artist was fantastic.
my skin was a mess after the fire and he designed everything, spoke to me at length about the process and all the aftercare.
my body was still giving me a burning sensation before he started so the pain wasnt a factor.
spent a lot of money but i get a lot of nice comments about them.
used after inked to look after them.
After inked?
after inked. its a tattoo aftercare lotion
Thanks "
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By *edeWoman
over a year ago
the abyss |
I think everyone has covered the aftercare the only thing I would ask is if this is your first one, do you know you'll be able to stick the pain for a large tattoo? Different areas have different pain levels and obviously everyone takes pain differently. It may be better starting with a small one (or a small part that won't look odd on its own?) to see if you are comfortable enough to finish a large piece? |
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"I think everyone has covered the aftercare the only thing I would ask is if this is your first one, do you know you'll be able to stick the pain for a large tattoo? Different areas have different pain levels and obviously everyone takes pain differently. It may be better starting with a small one (or a small part that won't look odd on its own?) to see if you are comfortable enough to finish a large piece? "
Oh it has a small bit that could be left on it's own luckily! Just in case ...  |
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I'm thinking of having my first tattoo and it's going to be quite large ... how long and what aftercare will be needed?
Thanks in advance lovelies "
Depends where and depends on size my back one took a couple months then I took 6 months before getting my next one. But I wouldn’t suggest something huge as your first one I would suggest something small |
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By *nkyCplCouple
over a year ago
Northampton |
Just to clarify I’m talking about the Bepanthen baby rash cream. They actually do a tattoo specific cream, but I’ve not used (and don’t know anyone that has) so can’t judge.
The fact they’ve brought out an ointment specifically for tattoos should tell you the original isn’t suitable. |
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I'm thinking of having my first tattoo and it's going to be quite large ... how long and what aftercare will be needed?
Thanks in advance lovelies "
You’re not getting my cock tattoo’d across your tits are you? |
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"Hey,
I'm thinking of having my first tattoo and it's going to be quite large ... how long and what aftercare will be needed?
Thanks in advance lovelies
You’re not getting my cock tattoo’d across your tits are you? "
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By *rC99Man
over a year ago
Liverpool |
I've always used bepanthen and wrapped each tattoo in cling film for a day or two (unless in work then kept it wrapped for a few more days).
To deal with the itchiness of them when healing, i'd gently tap it to take away the itchiness |
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I'm thinking of having my first tattoo and it's going to be quite large ... how long and what aftercare will be needed?
Thanks in advance lovelies
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He's back. Omg. Where is the red carpet!!
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A lot of people have recommended Bepanthon and I would agree that it is the best cream to use: used regularly it will prevent hard scabbing and when the healing is complete the 'scab' will just fall off. However I don't like the mess it leaves on clothing so I normally use E45. |
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"Just to clarify I’m talking about the Bepanthen baby rash cream. They actually do a tattoo specific cream, but I’ve not used (and don’t know anyone that has) so can’t judge.
The fact they’ve brought out an ointment specifically for tattoos should tell you the original isn’t suitable."
I’ve used it since my back tattoo and it reduces the healing time as it has more lanolin in it and it reduces scabbing |
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By *nkyCplCouple
over a year ago
Northampton |
"Just to clarify I’m talking about the Bepanthen baby rash cream. They actually do a tattoo specific cream, but I’ve not used (and don’t know anyone that has) so can’t judge.
The fact they’ve brought out an ointment specifically for tattoos should tell you the original isn’t suitable.
I’ve used it since my back tattoo and it reduces the healing time as it has more lanolin in it and it reduces scabbing"
Ah fair play. I always use hustle butter and/or aveeno these days, but everyone heals different.
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As very heavily tattooed people - we always use second skin .
Applied at the studio and leave on for as long as poss (usually 2-3 days ) once it comes off jobs a good un . Good wash with warm soapy water and if needed a bit of moisturizer but generally not needed
All these creams / lotions and potions specifically for tattoos are just a gimick to get your cash |
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By *nkyCplCouple
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"As very heavily tattooed people - we always use second skin .
Applied at the studio and leave on for as long as poss (usually 2-3 days ) once it comes off jobs a good un . Good wash with warm soapy water and if needed a bit of moisturizer but generally not needed
All these creams / lotions and potions specifically for tattoos are just a gimick to get your cash "
Second Skin has been a revelation for me!!! |
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Second skin is brilliant. Leave it on for a few days. Gently wash and replace if needed. It’ll look quite gloopy with the plasma but the second skin helps to stop it scabbing and losing colour.
Before this I used to use cling film - wash and reapply 3 times a day for five days.
Tattoo goo has always worked for me |
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Your tattoo artist will give you all the information you’ll need, follow that
You’ll get a million different opinions on what’s ‘right’
Generally though, if they use saniderm, or some kind of second skin, the healing process is relatively straight forward |
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Thanks everyone it's been illuminating and learned loads ... off to check products on my skin and to arrange said tattoo (not sure if I want a long or a short wait!) |
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