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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
What will be the tactics here? Used sparingly or en mass in a V formation.. infantry Infront of infantry behind...
Or just propoganda... Tom read that the cold winters freeze the diesel and they light fires under fuel tanks..
Any fab ex tank crew ? |
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"What will be the tactics here? Used sparingly or en mass in a V formation.. infantry Infront of infantry behind...
Or just propoganda... Tom read that the cold winters freeze the diesel and they light fires under fuel tanks..
Any fab ex tank crew ?"
Don't know the answer tom
But fun fact they used make tanks here in Leeds near populated area clearly on display so much for secrets . but its closed now . |
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"What will be the tactics here? Used sparingly or en mass in a V formation.. infantry Infront of infantry behind...
Or just propoganda... Tom read that the cold winters freeze the diesel and they light fires under fuel tanks..
Any fab ex tank crew ?"
The whole diesel freezing is complete bull unless you’re talking below about -15 degrees C, plus it’s not actually winter now for quite a few months.
As for tactics, I’d imagine standard 3 or 4 tanks per squadron acting as a unit. The whole “formation” crap that you mention is only for use on flat open plains with no cover, try doing it in a semi urban or forested area and you’ll quickly grind to a halt |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What will be the tactics here? Used sparingly or en mass in a V formation.. infantry Infront of infantry behind...
Or just propoganda... Tom read that the cold winters freeze the diesel and they light fires under fuel tanks..
Any fab ex tank crew ?
The whole diesel freezing is complete bull unless you’re talking below about -15 degrees C, plus it’s not actually winter now for quite a few months.
As for tactics, I’d imagine standard 3 or 4 tanks per squadron acting as a unit. The whole “formation” crap that you mention is only for use on flat open plains with no cover, try doing it in a semi urban or forested area and you’ll quickly grind to a halt"
89 was a shitty shitty cold Winter in Germany. We had some AFV's that would not start due to frozen fuel |
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They'll flank them first. Then drive them using mortars, rpg's and tanks into the waiting trap.
But then putin could use spent uranium shells to pierce their armour.
But then I'd just use the Tsar Bomba and blow the shit out of them and end the problem.
Really, WTF the rest of the world going to do?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"What will be the tactics here? Used sparingly or en mass in a V formation.. infantry Infront of infantry behind...
Or just propoganda... Tom read that the cold winters freeze the diesel and they light fires under fuel tanks..
Any fab ex tank crew ?"
It will be combined arms. Tanks, ifvs with infantry screening. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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NOW WE'RE TALKING!!!
Been obsessed with tanks for like a decade now
From what I've gathered the leopards are gonna be used sparingly, if it's true what's been reported that Russia has already captured a leopard 2 from the Ukrainians. That's never good for any nation due to the enemy gaining access to classified technology
Germany will dictate to the Ukrainian high command to make the best use of those leopards without putting them in great risk for this very fact
Also when you consider the technology onboard modern leopard 2, the Ukrainians have the advantage of better communications between combined arms forces, but my guess is that it's better to keep the leopards together in small groups to maintain cohesion within each group. Russian MBTs that Ukraine own have worse overall mobility than a leopard given they can only roll at a snails pace in reverse, compared to a leopard that can hit 31kmh backwards |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
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"NOW WE'RE TALKING!!!
Been obsessed with tanks for like a decade now
From what I've gathered the leopards are gonna be used sparingly, if it's true what's been reported that Russia has already captured a leopard 2 from the Ukrainians. That's never good for any nation due to the enemy gaining access to classified technology
Germany will dictate to the Ukrainian high command to make the best use of those leopards without putting them in great risk for this very fact
Also when you consider the technology onboard modern leopard 2, the Ukrainians have the advantage of better communications between combined arms forces, but my guess is that it's better to keep the leopards together in small groups to maintain cohesion within each group. Russian MBTs that Ukraine own have worse overall mobility than a leopard given they can only roll at a snails pace in reverse, compared to a leopard that can hit 31kmh backwards"
Surely if you reverse the turret then backwards is forwards ? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Can't count ifvs when properly used. The Bradley had more tank kills during the gulf war than any modern MBT. Leo and Abraham can be integrated tight. Challenger would have to stay together. Logistic wise . |
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"Can't count ifvs when properly used. The Bradley had more tank kills during the gulf war than any modern MBT. Leo and Abraham can be integrated tight. Challenger would have to stay together. Logistic wise . "
I think CR2 will be used as point defence, the different ammunition would mean 2 separate logistics trails otherwise. Abrahams and Leopards will be more suitable for the expected counter offensive |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Can't count ifvs when properly used. The Bradley had more tank kills during the gulf war than any modern MBT. Leo and Abraham can be integrated tight. Challenger would have to stay together. Logistic wise .
I think CR2 will be used as point defence, the different ammunition would mean 2 separate logistics trails otherwise. Abrahams and Leopards will be more suitable for the expected counter offensive"
I agree they are better suited for the logistics. |
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"Good luck stopping a Challenger 2 Tank with the Dorchester armour before the tank locks on and kills you I have seen these beasts close up and not much can stop one ."
They’re good but not invulnerable. The top and sides are always more vulnerable on any tank so there’s plenty out there that can |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The upcoming battle is reliant on "Tooth to Tail". You can have the best weapon systems if you don't have that doctrine integrated. Well you see what happened to Russia. |
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By *avexxMan
over a year ago
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"The upcoming battle is reliant on "Tooth to Tail". You can have the best weapon systems if you don't have that doctrine integrated. Well you see what happened to Russia."
.. my word you know your stuff,,
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The upcoming battle is reliant on "Tooth to Tail". You can have the best weapon systems if you don't have that doctrine integrated. Well you see what happened to Russia... my word you know your stuff,,"
I was in the army for 10 years. My husband is retired you get more insight when you have d*unken veterans sitting around a bonfire discussing things. The good and the bad.I just love the diversity and the stories.
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"It may revert to the Russian Wagner troops carrying sticky bombs and laying in wait. Will a sticky bomb beat a leopard "
Sticky bombs can only temporarily disable a tanks tracks. Not powerful enough to do long term damage. |
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"NOW WE'RE TALKING!!!
Been obsessed with tanks for like a decade now
From what I've gathered the leopards are gonna be used sparingly, if it's true what's been reported that Russia has already captured a leopard 2 from the Ukrainians. That's never good for any nation due to the enemy gaining access to classified technology
Germany will dictate to the Ukrainian high command to make the best use of those leopards without putting them in great risk for this very fact
Also when you consider the technology onboard modern leopard 2, the Ukrainians have the advantage of better communications between combined arms forces, but my guess is that it's better to keep the leopards together in small groups to maintain cohesion within each group. Russian MBTs that Ukraine own have worse overall mobility than a leopard given they can only roll at a snails pace in reverse, compared to a leopard that can hit 31kmh backwards"
Not much info being given away by the captured Leos. The newest version sent to the Ukrainians are the mark 5s and they are 28 years old. Same with the Challengers being sent. All old stock. Nothing on them the Russians don’t already know about. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
Why attack the tank when you can attack the tank tracks and disable the bugger. Are the tracks the weakest point or do they continue like runflats.
Take out one track and surely it can only drive in circles like a swan swimming with one leg |
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There is a way to lower the waxing point of the diesel fuel by adding kerosene 80/20 mix D/K will lower to -24°c.
Its hard to take out a tank track from the front due to the distance you are away from the tank. Granted easier from the side thats where infantry come into play to stop that.
You need to stop the main gun from operating hence why they don't go for the tracks. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Why attack the tank when you can attack the tank tracks and disable the bugger. Are the tracks the weakest point or do they continue like runflats.
Take out one track and surely it can only drive in circles like a swan swimming with one leg"
NATO has a different doctrine. Disable the tanks tracks the main gun still works but then you have to deal with dismounted infantry and ifvs. Russian tactics is to overwhelm with superior numbers. There is a reason why NATO heavily invested in squad fireteams and ATGMs. Tank goes down you deal with a Bradley. Bradley goes down you dealing with javelin crews and artillery support. Ukraine is playing the long game. Thunder runs and defend deep. Atrit the enemy resources constantly. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Don't remember who said it, " quantity has a quality of its own" the Russian mindset of overwhelming it's enemies with numbers if they don't care about losses"
It's a tactic where the generals never lead from the front |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"Why attack the tank when you can attack the tank tracks and disable the bugger. Are the tracks the weakest point or do they continue like runflats.
Take out one track and surely it can only drive in circles like a swan swimming with one leg"
this is why targeting the tracks doesent work with the challenger2
During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter within an urban area, a Challenger 2 came under attack from irregular forces with machine guns and rocket propelled grenades (RPGs). The driver's sight was damaged and while attempting to back away under the commander's directions, the other sights were damaged and the tank threw its tracks entering a ditch. It was hit by 14 RPG-7s from close range and a MILAN anti-tank guided missile.[57] The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to the British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.[58 |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why attack the tank when you can attack the tank tracks and disable the bugger. Are the tracks the weakest point or do they continue like runflats.
Take out one track and surely it can only drive in circles like a swan swimming with one legthis is why targeting the tracks doesent work with the challenger2
During the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Challenger 2 tanks suffered no tank losses to Iraqi fire. In one encounter within an urban area, a Challenger 2 came under attack from irregular forces with machine guns and rocket propelled grenades (RPGs). The driver's sight was damaged and while attempting to back away under the commander's directions, the other sights were damaged and the tank threw its tracks entering a ditch. It was hit by 14 RPG-7s from close range and a MILAN anti-tank guided missile.[57] The crew survived, safe within the tank until it was recovered for repairs, the worst damage being to the sighting system. It was back in operation six hours later. According to the British army, one Challenger 2 operating near Basra survived being hit by 70 RPGs in another incident.[58"
Challenger weakness is in it is not NATO standard. It a separate logistics train.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Not sure the ruskies will be quaking in it's boots. They defeated Napoleon "
The Russian winter defeated Napoleon, who was a Frenchman in Russia. This is a situation of the Russians not in Russia. Different. |
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"Don't remember who said it, " quantity has a quality of its own" the Russian mindset of overwhelming it's enemies with numbers if they don't care about losses"
Ironically, it's usually attributed to Stalin, although some sources point to Napoleon as the original source. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Don't remember who said it, " quantity has a quality of its own" the Russian mindset of overwhelming it's enemies with numbers if they don't care about losses
Ironically, it's usually attributed to Stalin, although some sources point to Napoleon as the original source."
Modern weapons are geared to maximum devastation. It's lessons learned. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Not sure the ruskies will be quaking in it's boots. They defeated Napoleon "
They did really well in Afghanistan, didn't they. 
And the Japanese smashed them in 1905.
(Although the Russians got their revenge in 1939)
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"Reports that the Ruskies are conscripting an even bigger 1.5 million army. Not sure the leopards will overcome those numbers. They just won't have the ammo"
They might call up 1.5m conscripts, but getting them into combat is very different.
They should all get some rudimentary training, ( but that hasn’t necessarily been happening for the most recent call up).
Got to feed, transport, arm and ammunition, uniform, kit (canteen, bedroll, etc) all of them.
And green conscripts are going to die in their thousands  Moral issues will arise. |
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By *opinovMan
over a year ago
Point Nemo, Cumbria |
"Well it's a propoganda war also.. but reports they have increased the prescription age.. who knows..one thing is certain. No sign of a ceasefire"
Well, in amongst all the apocalyptic stuff, I suppose it's nice the elderly are getting better access to medicines. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Well it's a propoganda war also.. but reports they have increased the prescription age.. who knows..one thing is certain. No sign of a ceasefire
Well, in amongst all the apocalyptic stuff, I suppose it's nice the elderly are getting better access to medicines."
Ha ha, brilliant |
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By *batMan
over a year ago
Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales) |
"Well it's a propoganda war also.. but reports they have increased the prescription age.. who knows..one thing is certain. No sign of a ceasefire
Well, in amongst all the apocalyptic stuff, I suppose it's nice the elderly are getting better access to medicines."
Beat me to it!
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"Well it's a propoganda war also.. but reports they have increased the prescription age.. who knows..one thing is certain. No sign of a ceasefire"
yet putin is putting out feelers via turkey france and china for peace talks as he knows hes not going to achieve his original objective and needs to save face soon with a " victory " no matter how pyric .he does not want it to become another afghan or chechan style conflict where russian conscripts were chewed up by western equiped and backed forces at a shockijng rate .once the body bags start to pile up no amount of media control will prevent the populace whos sons brothers and farthers are being killed turning on him .
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Won't be long surely and how many in total.
Challengers and Abrams just a token
It will be won or lost with the leopards "
I agree they are the most used western tanks in the theater of operations. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Won't be long surely and how many in total.
Challengers and Abrams just a token
It will be won or lost with the leopards I agree they are the most used western tanks in the theater of operations."
But they are not the latest versions |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Bonus points if anyone knows why they are called tanks."
Because when the first ones that were built in order to keep them secret they were classified as water tanks.
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"Bonus points if anyone knows why they are called tanks. Because when the first ones that were built in order to keep them secret they were classified as water tanks."
Where the early ones amphibious then ? |
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By *lynJMan
over a year ago
Morden |
"Bonus points if anyone knows why they are called tanks. Because when the first ones that were built in order to keep them secret they were classified as water tanks.
Where the early ones amphibious then ?"
No |
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By *lynJMan
over a year ago
Morden |
"Won't be long surely and how many in total.
Challengers and Abrams just a token
It will be won or lost with the leopards "
It won't be the tanks, it will be all the other equipment provided as well. |
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By *lynJMan
over a year ago
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"Won't be long surely and how many in total.
Challengers and Abrams just a token
It will be won or lost with the leopards
It won't be the tanks, it will be all the other equipment provided as well."
Oh, and the bravery of the people using them. |
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"Of course but apart from the other equipment and the bravery .. it will come down to the tanks ..."
No. Ultimately it will come down to logistics and military intelligence.
It’s no good having the weapons if you can’t use them because of a lack of fuel and ammo or you don’t know the best place and time to use them effectively.
If it was just down to who had the best toys Russia would have won this a year ago… Putin was actually counting on this. But a lack of logistics combined with poor intelligence evaluations saw the massive Russian column of armour grind to a halt live on television… |
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By *utmegsMan
over a year ago
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"What will be the tactics here? Used sparingly or en mass in a V formation.. infantry Infront of infantry behind...
Or just propoganda... Tom read that the cold winters freeze the diesel and they light fires under fuel tanks..
Any fab ex tank crew ?"
Fires to heat the diesel? Are you getting confused with WWII?
Leopard II should be effective against what Russia has fielded so far. What tactics the Ukrainians will use should be their surprise for their enemy. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"What will be the tactics here? Used sparingly or en mass in a V formation.. infantry Infront of infantry behind...
Or just propoganda... Tom read that the cold winters freeze the diesel and they light fires under fuel tanks..
Any fab ex tank crew ?
Fires to heat the diesel? Are you getting confused with WWII?
Leopard II should be effective against what Russia has fielded so far. What tactics the Ukrainians will use should be their surprise for their enemy."
Lorry drivers have done this in the past.. |
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By *eavenNhellCouple
over a year ago
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"Of course but apart from the other equipment and the bravery .. it will come down to the tanks ...
No. Ultimately it will come down to logistics and military intelligence.
It’s no good having the weapons if you can’t use them because of a lack of fuel and ammo or you don’t know the best place and time to use them effectively.
If it was just down to who had the best toys Russia would have won this a year ago… Putin was actually counting on this. But a lack of logistics combined with poor intelligence evaluations saw the massive Russian column of armour grind to a halt live on television…"
russian logisics are heavily tied in with railways munitions & fuel moved to a rail head then distributed from there .logistics dumps are easily targeted using drones and artillery which is what caused many of the problems for the Russians in the early days of the war .ukrain hit theyre logistics system and they hit it hard from day one meaning supplys have to be kept well back from the front line out of range |
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"What will be the tactics here? Used sparingly or en mass in a V formation.. infantry Infront of infantry behind...
Or just propoganda... Tom read that the cold winters freeze the diesel and they light fires under fuel tanks..
Any fab ex tank crew ?
Fires to heat the diesel? Are you getting confused with WWII?
Leopard II should be effective against what Russia has fielded so far. What tactics the Ukrainians will use should be their surprise for their enemy.
Lorry drivers have done this in the past.. "
they did Tom that was before additives were added to the fuel to stop the diesel waxing up. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Lorry drivers have done this in the past..
They also had cavalry charges in the past. I don't expect to see a horseback charge either.
Gbat "
No but you will see thunder runs. Same concept. |
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The UK's Challenger 2 tank has blasted away the competition in Nato's Exercise Iron Spear.
The armoured vehicle competition for main battle tanks, held in Estonia, saw a Challenger 2 tank, from the Queen's Royal Hussars beat a German Leopard 2 tank, operated by Spanish personnel, and the third-placed American M1 Abrams crew.
Major Anthony Kaulback, Chief of Staff for the enhanced Forward Presence Battlegroup in the country, said the regiment was one of those who had donated Challenger 2 tanks to Ukrainian personnel to use in their fight against Russia.
UK says 1,900 tanks among list of Russia's heavy losses during Ukraine war
British Challenger 2 tanks arrive in Ukraine and will 'soon begin combat missions'
Challenger 2: The British tank that's never been destroyed by the enemy
"The fact that one of those Challenger 2s has just won a competition as a lethal tank, one of the most lethal tanks in Nato, is really reassuring… for those Ukrainians that will be using them on the battlefield," he said.
He explained the competition saw the crews and their tanks put to the test to see how many targets could be engaged within a time limit.
"One of the most potent things about the Challenger 2 is that it's got something called the hunter-killer mode," he said.
"That means the commander can be independently scanning to acquire targets whilst the gunner is also trying to find targets but in different arcs." |
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"The UK's Challenger 2 tank has blasted away the competition in Nato's Exercise Iron Spear.
The armoured vehicle competition for main battle tanks, held in Estonia, saw a Challenger 2 tank, from the Queen's Royal Hussars beat a German Leopard 2 tank, operated by Spanish personnel, and the third-placed American M1 Abrams crew.
Major Anthony Kaulback, Chief of Staff for the enhanced Forward Presence Battlegroup in the country, said the regiment was one of those who had donated Challenger 2 tanks to Ukrainian personnel to use in their fight against Russia.
UK says 1,900 tanks among list of Russia's heavy losses during Ukraine war
British Challenger 2 tanks arrive in Ukraine and will 'soon begin combat missions'
Challenger 2: The British tank that's never been destroyed by the enemy
"The fact that one of those Challenger 2s has just won a competition as a lethal tank, one of the most lethal tanks in Nato, is really reassuring… for those Ukrainians that will be using them on the battlefield," he said.
He explained the competition saw the crews and their tanks put to the test to see how many targets could be engaged within a time limit.
"One of the most potent things about the Challenger 2 is that it's got something called the hunter-killer mode," he said.
"That means the commander can be independently scanning to acquire targets whilst the gunner is also trying to find targets but in different arcs.""
Maybe build more challengers to match our Abraham inventory so we can go head to head in a realistic combat environment. 1 crew doesn't mean shit. So celebrate away You are still outgunned. Tanks do not just go by themselves in a combat environment. Yay you!! It's not a win.I can guarantee if it became US against UK you would be done in days. peace. Step up and be the glory you once were and get back to me. |
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By *mf123Man
over a year ago
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"The UK's Challenger 2 tank has blasted away the competition in Nato's Exercise Iron Spear.
The armoured vehicle competition for main battle tanks, held in Estonia, saw a Challenger 2 tank, from the Queen's Royal Hussars beat a German Leopard 2 tank, operated by Spanish personnel, and the third-placed American M1 Abrams crew.
Major Anthony Kaulback, Chief of Staff for the enhanced Forward Presence Battlegroup in the country, said the regiment was one of those who had donated Challenger 2 tanks to Ukrainian personnel to use in their fight against Russia.
UK says 1,900 tanks among list of Russia's heavy losses during Ukraine war
British Challenger 2 tanks arrive in Ukraine and will 'soon begin combat missions'
Challenger 2: The British tank that's never been destroyed by the enemy
"The fact that one of those Challenger 2s has just won a competition as a lethal tank, one of the most lethal tanks in Nato, is really reassuring… for those Ukrainians that will be using them on the battlefield," he said.
He explained the competition saw the crews and their tanks put to the test to see how many targets could be engaged within a time limit.
"One of the most potent things about the Challenger 2 is that it's got something called the hunter-killer mode," he said.
"That means the commander can be independently scanning to acquire targets whilst the gunner is also trying to find targets but in different arcs." Maybe build more challengers to match our Abraham inventory so we can go head to head in a realistic combat environment. 1 crew doesn't mean shit. So celebrate away You are still outgunned. Tanks do not just go by themselves in a combat environment. Yay you!! It's not a win.I can guarantee if it became US against UK you would be done in days. peace. Step up and be the glory you once were and get back to me."
this is the tank version of my dads bigger than your dad  |
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"The UK's Challenger 2 tank has blasted away the competition in Nato's Exercise Iron Spear.
The armoured vehicle competition for main battle tanks, held in Estonia, saw a Challenger 2 tank, from the Queen's Royal Hussars beat a German Leopard 2 tank, operated by Spanish personnel, and the third-placed American M1 Abrams crew.
Major Anthony Kaulback, Chief of Staff for the enhanced Forward Presence Battlegroup in the country, said the regiment was one of those who had donated Challenger 2 tanks to Ukrainian personnel to use in their fight against Russia.
UK says 1,900 tanks among list of Russia's heavy losses during Ukraine war
British Challenger 2 tanks arrive in Ukraine and will 'soon begin combat missions'
Challenger 2: The British tank that's never been destroyed by the enemy
"The fact that one of those Challenger 2s has just won a competition as a lethal tank, one of the most lethal tanks in Nato, is really reassuring… for those Ukrainians that will be using them on the battlefield," he said.
He explained the competition saw the crews and their tanks put to the test to see how many targets could be engaged within a time limit.
"One of the most potent things about the Challenger 2 is that it's got something called the hunter-killer mode," he said.
"That means the commander can be independently scanning to acquire targets whilst the gunner is also trying to find targets but in different arcs." Maybe build more challengers to match our Abraham inventory so we can go head to head in a realistic combat environment. 1 crew doesn't mean shit. So celebrate away You are still outgunned. Tanks do not just go by themselves in a combat environment. Yay you!! It's not a win.I can guarantee if it became US against UK you would be done in days. peace. Step up and be the glory you once were and get back to me.this is the tank version of my dads bigger than your dad "
I can easily tske that 1 tank out with a American SoF team and the tank wouldn't know.. |
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"The UK's Challenger 2 tank has blasted away the competition in Nato's Exercise Iron Spear.
The armoured vehicle competition for main battle tanks, held in Estonia, saw a Challenger 2 tank, from the Queen's Royal Hussars beat a German Leopard 2 tank, operated by Spanish personnel, and the third-placed American M1 Abrams crew.
Major Anthony Kaulback, Chief of Staff for the enhanced Forward Presence Battlegroup in the country, said the regiment was one of those who had donated Challenger 2 tanks to Ukrainian personnel to use in their fight against Russia.
UK says 1,900 tanks among list of Russia's heavy losses during Ukraine war
British Challenger 2 tanks arrive in Ukraine and will 'soon begin combat missions'
Challenger 2: The British tank that's never been destroyed by the enemy
"The fact that one of those Challenger 2s has just won a competition as a lethal tank, one of the most lethal tanks in Nato, is really reassuring… for those Ukrainians that will be using them on the battlefield," he said.
He explained the competition saw the crews and their tanks put to the test to see how many targets could be engaged within a time limit.
"One of the most potent things about the Challenger 2 is that it's got something called the hunter-killer mode," he said.
"That means the commander can be independently scanning to acquire targets whilst the gunner is also trying to find targets but in different arcs." Maybe build more challengers to match our Abraham inventory so we can go head to head in a realistic combat environment. 1 crew doesn't mean shit. So celebrate away You are still outgunned. Tanks do not just go by themselves in a combat environment. Yay you!! It's not a win.I can guarantee if it became US against UK you would be done in days. peace. Step up and be the glory you once were and get back to me.this is the tank version of my dads bigger than your dad I can easily tske that 1 tank out with a American SoF team and the tank wouldn't know.. "
no idea what that is it just made me chuckle getting competitive over ze little tank (allo allo reference)  |
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"The UK's Challenger 2 tank has blasted away the competition in Nato's Exercise Iron Spear.
The armoured vehicle competition for main battle tanks, held in Estonia, saw a Challenger 2 tank, from the Queen's Royal Hussars beat a German Leopard 2 tank, operated by Spanish personnel, and the third-placed American M1 Abrams crew.
Major Anthony Kaulback, Chief of Staff for the enhanced Forward Presence Battlegroup in the country, said the regiment was one of those who had donated Challenger 2 tanks to Ukrainian personnel to use in their fight against Russia.
UK says 1,900 tanks among list of Russia's heavy losses during Ukraine war
British Challenger 2 tanks arrive in Ukraine and will 'soon begin combat missions'
Challenger 2: The British tank that's never been destroyed by the enemy
"The fact that one of those Challenger 2s has just won a competition as a lethal tank, one of the most lethal tanks in Nato, is really reassuring… for those Ukrainians that will be using them on the battlefield," he said.
He explained the competition saw the crews and their tanks put to the test to see how many targets could be engaged within a time limit.
"One of the most potent things about the Challenger 2 is that it's got something called the hunter-killer mode," he said.
"That means the commander can be independently scanning to acquire targets whilst the gunner is also trying to find targets but in different arcs." Maybe build more challengers to match our Abraham inventory so we can go head to head in a realistic combat environment. 1 crew doesn't mean shit. So celebrate away You are still outgunned. Tanks do not just go by themselves in a combat environment. Yay you!! It's not a win.I can guarantee if it became US against UK you would be done in days. peace. Step up and be the glory you once were and get back to me.this is the tank version of my dads bigger than your dad I can easily tske that 1 tank out with a American SoF team and the tank wouldn't know.. no idea what that is it just made me chuckle getting competitive over ze little tank (allo allo reference) "
Being on a live fire range and being in actual combat are 2 different things. I would honestly say just because our crew lost on a range. Our have better combat efficiency compared to the winner. Tanks do not operate as a singular entity. |
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Challenger 2 is a good tank, with it being more of a match to anything Russia has … including the Armata - but there ain’t many of them!
The issue is we simply don’t have the number?
Here is a statistic. The Army has around 200 CR2 tanks … and about 150 of these will be ‘upgraded’ to CR3 … however the Army has over 600 horses! In the 21st Century the Cavalry still has more horses than tanks!
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"The UK's Challenger 2 tank has blasted away the competition in Nato's Exercise Iron Spear.
The armoured vehicle competition for main battle tanks, held in Estonia, saw a Challenger 2 tank, from the Queen's Royal Hussars beat a German Leopard 2 tank, operated by Spanish personnel, and the third-placed American M1 Abrams crew.
Major Anthony Kaulback, Chief of Staff for the enhanced Forward Presence Battlegroup in the country, said the regiment was one of those who had donated Challenger 2 tanks to Ukrainian personnel to use in their fight against Russia.
UK says 1,900 tanks among list of Russia's heavy losses during Ukraine war
British Challenger 2 tanks arrive in Ukraine and will 'soon begin combat missions'
Challenger 2: The British tank that's never been destroyed by the enemy
"The fact that one of those Challenger 2s has just won a competition as a lethal tank, one of the most lethal tanks in Nato, is really reassuring… for those Ukrainians that will be using them on the battlefield," he said.
He explained the competition saw the crews and their tanks put to the test to see how many targets could be engaged within a time limit.
"One of the most potent things about the Challenger 2 is that it's got something called the hunter-killer mode," he said.
"That means the commander can be independently scanning to acquire targets whilst the gunner is also trying to find targets but in different arcs." Maybe build more challengers to match our Abraham inventory so we can go head to head in a realistic combat environment. 1 crew doesn't mean shit. So celebrate away You are still outgunned. Tanks do not just go by themselves in a combat environment. Yay you!! It's not a win.I can guarantee if it became US against UK you would be done in days. peace. Step up and be the glory you once were and get back to me."
Bit touchy there Blu. Although seeing your latest armed forces recruitment campaigns perhaps I can see why.  |
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"The UK's Challenger 2 tank has blasted away the competition in Nato's Exercise Iron Spear.
The armoured vehicle competition for main battle tanks, held in Estonia, saw a Challenger 2 tank, from the Queen's Royal Hussars beat a German Leopard 2 tank, operated by Spanish personnel, and the third-placed American M1 Abrams crew.
Major Anthony Kaulback, Chief of Staff for the enhanced Forward Presence Battlegroup in the country, said the regiment was one of those who had donated Challenger 2 tanks to Ukrainian personnel to use in their fight against Russia.
UK says 1,900 tanks among list of Russia's heavy losses during Ukraine war
British Challenger 2 tanks arrive in Ukraine and will 'soon begin combat missions'
Challenger 2: The British tank that's never been destroyed by the enemy
"The fact that one of those Challenger 2s has just won a competition as a lethal tank, one of the most lethal tanks in Nato, is really reassuring… for those Ukrainians that will be using them on the battlefield," he said.
He explained the competition saw the crews and their tanks put to the test to see how many targets could be engaged within a time limit.
"One of the most potent things about the Challenger 2 is that it's got something called the hunter-killer mode," he said.
"That means the commander can be independently scanning to acquire targets whilst the gunner is also trying to find targets but in different arcs." Maybe build more challengers to match our Abraham inventory so we can go head to head in a realistic combat environment. 1 crew doesn't mean shit. So celebrate away You are still outgunned. Tanks do not just go by themselves in a combat environment. Yay you!! It's not a win.I can guarantee if it became US against UK you would be done in days. peace. Step up and be the glory you once were and get back to me.
Bit touchy there Blu. Although seeing your latest armed forces recruitment campaigns perhaps I can see why. "
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"The UK's Challenger 2 tank has blasted away the competition in Nato's Exercise Iron Spear.
The armoured vehicle competition for main battle tanks, held in Estonia, saw a Challenger 2 tank, from the Queen's Royal Hussars beat a German Leopard 2 tank, operated by Spanish personnel, and the third-placed American M1 Abrams crew.
Major Anthony Kaulback, Chief of Staff for the enhanced Forward Presence Battlegroup in the country, said the regiment was one of those who had donated Challenger 2 tanks to Ukrainian personnel to use in their fight against Russia.
UK says 1,900 tanks among list of Russia's heavy losses during Ukraine war
British Challenger 2 tanks arrive in Ukraine and will 'soon begin combat missions'
Challenger 2: The British tank that's never been destroyed by the enemy
"The fact that one of those Challenger 2s has just won a competition as a lethal tank, one of the most lethal tanks in Nato, is really reassuring… for those Ukrainians that will be using them on the battlefield," he said.
He explained the competition saw the crews and their tanks put to the test to see how many targets could be engaged within a time limit.
"One of the most potent things about the Challenger 2 is that it's got something called the hunter-killer mode," he said.
"That means the commander can be independently scanning to acquire targets whilst the gunner is also trying to find targets but in different arcs." Maybe build more challengers to match our Abraham inventory so we can go head to head in a realistic combat environment. 1 crew doesn't mean shit. So celebrate away You are still outgunned. Tanks do not just go by themselves in a combat environment. Yay you!! It's not a win.I can guarantee if it became US against UK you would be done in days. peace. Step up and be the glory you once were and get back to me.
Bit touchy there Blu. Although seeing your latest armed forces recruitment campaigns perhaps I can see why. lol true"
I hope you've told your military veterans that they have will have to make the Cheques they receive next Thursday and Friday last until, God knows when. |
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"The UK's Challenger 2 tank has blasted away the competition in Nato's Exercise Iron Spear.
The armoured vehicle competition for main battle tanks, held in Estonia, saw a Challenger 2 tank, from the Queen's Royal Hussars beat a German Leopard 2 tank, operated by Spanish personnel, and the third-placed American M1 Abrams crew.
Major Anthony Kaulback, Chief of Staff for the enhanced Forward Presence Battlegroup in the country, said the regiment was one of those who had donated Challenger 2 tanks to Ukrainian personnel to use in their fight against Russia.
UK says 1,900 tanks among list of Russia's heavy losses during Ukraine war
British Challenger 2 tanks arrive in Ukraine and will 'soon begin combat missions'
Challenger 2: The British tank that's never been destroyed by the enemy
"The fact that one of those Challenger 2s has just won a competition as a lethal tank, one of the most lethal tanks in Nato, is really reassuring… for those Ukrainians that will be using them on the battlefield," he said.
He explained the competition saw the crews and their tanks put to the test to see how many targets could be engaged within a time limit.
"One of the most potent things about the Challenger 2 is that it's got something called the hunter-killer mode," he said.
"That means the commander can be independently scanning to acquire targets whilst the gunner is also trying to find targets but in different arcs." Maybe build more challengers to match our Abraham inventory so we can go head to head in a realistic combat environment. 1 crew doesn't mean shit. So celebrate away You are still outgunned. Tanks do not just go by themselves in a combat environment. Yay you!! It's not a win.I can guarantee if it became US against UK you would be done in days. peace. Step up and be the glory you once were and get back to me.
Bit touchy there Blu. Although seeing your latest armed forces recruitment campaigns perhaps I can see why. lol true
I hope you've told your military veterans that they have will have to make the Cheques they receive next Thursday and Friday last until, God knows when. "
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