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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

The Welsh Chief of Police has sacked one of his policemen in his absence. Actually, the policeman had already resigned but had he not resigned then the Chief of Police would have sacked him. Semantics really but here is Tom's beef.

Amongst a list of charges, the policeman had even breathalysed himself to meet targets.

. Police given targets to breathalyse citizens. Where does reasonable suspicion fit in.

Tom will clarify.

Tom is driving along and he is stopped and breathalysed. The reason. He was speeding and swerving erratically. Tom has no problem with that.

Tom is driving along and Mr Plod stops him and says that Tom must blow in the bag. Why is that says Tom. I must meet my targets says Mr Plod.

Outrageous. It's all over the news. What's going on here Peoples

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The Welsh Chief of Police has sacked one of his policemen in his absence. Actually, the policeman had already resigned but had he not resigned then the Chief of Police would have sacked him. Semantics really but here is Tom's beef.

Amongst a list of charges, the policeman had even breathalysed himself to meet targets.

. Police given targets to breathalyse citizens. Where does reasonable suspicion fit in.

Tom will clarify.

Tom is driving along and he is stopped and breathalysed. The reason. He was speeding and swerving erratically. Tom has no problem with that.

Tom is driving along and Mr Plod stops him and says that Tom must blow in the bag. Why is that says Tom. I must meet my targets says Mr Plod.

Outrageous. It's all over the news. What's going on here Peoples "

There must be either:

A. Commission of a moving traffic offence

B. Suspicion of alcohol whilst driving

C. An accident

D. One or two very specific circumstances all specified in law.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

D. Targets set by the Chief of Police.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"D. Targets set by the Chief of Police. "

Not unless they changed the law overnight.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"D. Targets set by the Chief of Police.

Not unless they changed the law overnight."

Correct. Jennie wakes up from her long sleep..Targets have no place here. Has the Chief of Police been caught with his fingers in the till....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So are there targets or are there not targets

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"So are there targets or are there not targets "

Well Tom is appalled that the Chief of Police sets targets. It appears in this case they do. A policeman falsifying records and even breathslysi g himself to meet targets

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By *rivervaderMan over a year ago

bolton

They are all bent. They bend the rules to suit themselves all the time

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Amongst a list of charges, the policeman had even breathalysed himself to meet targets.

. Police given targets to breathalyse citizens. Where does reasonable suspicion fit in.

Tom will clarify.

Tom is driving along and he is stopped and breathalysed. The reason. He was speeding and swerving erratically. Tom has no problem with that.

Tom is driving along and Mr Plod stops him and says that Tom must blow in the bag. Why is that says Tom. I must meet my targets says Mr Plod.

Outrageous. It's all over the news. What's going on here Peoples "

Love your style of communication Tom. It's like, "the Rock says..."

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Targets will probably mean they pull over for silly reason ... "Driving a bit slow. Accelerated a bit too much etc"

That said random spot checks may have their place. Drink driving slows down reactions... So only catching people after they have fucked up is a bit too late.

But also, that kinda power can be abused.

Just blow Tom. It's why we are here ...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"D. Targets set by the Chief of Police.

Not unless they changed the law overnight."

Actually many Police Services run publicised drink driving campaigns

So road check points are set up and cars filtered into them

The driver is asked to provide, which they can refuse, however if the officer smells alcohol he can require it

So yes Chief Constables do vicariously set those targets.

It’s mainly road safety drink drive campaigns on run up to Christmas

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They are all bent. They bend the rules to suit themselves all the time "

Every single one of them?

Wow that's s lot!

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

Tom was once at a dinner party with a lot of influential people. There were Parish Councillors, members of the local Lions and a man who had been in the Masonic Lodge for many years... They were talking about quotas for police and Tom stood up to all of them..

Interestingy, he was pulled aside by a retired policeman and Tom was told that he would not make it as a policeman because he was too honest...

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By *rHotNottsMan over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

Amongst a list of charges, the policeman had even breathalysed himself to meet targets.

. Police given targets to breathalyse citizens. Where does reasonable suspicion fit in.

Tom will clarify.

Tom is driving along and he is stopped and breathalysed. The reason. He was speeding and swerving erratically. Tom has no problem with that.

Tom is driving along and Mr Plod stops him and says that Tom must blow in the bag. Why is that says Tom. I must meet my targets says Mr Plod.

Outrageous. It's all over the news. What's going on here Peoples

There must be either:

A. Commission of a moving traffic offence

B. Suspicion of alcohol whilst driving

C. An accident

D. One or two very specific circumstances all specified in law."

They just make it up though. During lockdown I used to drop my daughter off at Morrisons at 4am for her shift , I got stopped and breathalysed three times one night. The guy was notorious, all the staff on that shift had been bullied by him. He reckoned it was speeding when I was using a limiter to prevent going over 30, he said I was driving erratically and I wasn’t.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

Amongst a list of charges, the policeman had even breathalysed himself to meet targets.

. Police given targets to breathalyse citizens. Where does reasonable suspicion fit in.

Tom will clarify.

Tom is driving along and he is stopped and breathalysed. The reason. He was speeding and swerving erratically. Tom has no problem with that.

Tom is driving along and Mr Plod stops him and says that Tom must blow in the bag. Why is that says Tom. I must meet my targets says Mr Plod.

Outrageous. It's all over the news. What's going on here Peoples

There must be either:

A. Commission of a moving traffic offence

B. Suspicion of alcohol whilst driving

C. An accident

D. One or two very specific circumstances all specified in law.

Tom was once told that some rogue officers would rather prey on an easy target and get off the street than risk getting sent to a fist fight after closing time

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

There is no "The" Welsh Chief of Police. There are four police forces in Wales.

The Home Office and Senedd set targets for the Police.

Sounds like it's a good job this copper has gone.

Gbat

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By *4bimMan over a year ago

Farnborough Hampshire

we need a military junta to take over.

hail El Presidente!

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

Is it time to send in the army ?

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By *lexanderSupertrampMan over a year ago

Gourock

"Tom was once told that some rogue officers would rather prey on an easy target and get off the street than risk getting sent to a fist fight after closing time"

I'm sure there are work shy folk in every job

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

Gbat

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By *nkyCplCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"They are all bent. They bend the rules to suit themselves all the time "

And yet they’re the first people you’d call if needed…

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"They are all bent. They bend the rules to suit themselves all the time

And yet they’re the first people you’d call if needed…"

Not my first choice to be fair.

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By *rder66Man over a year ago

Tatooine

"Targets will probably mean they pull over for silly reason ... "Driving a bit slow. Accelerated a bit too much etc"

That said random spot checks may have their place. Drink driving slows down reactions... So only catching people after they have fucked up is a bit too late.

But also, that kinda power can be abused.

Just blow Tom. It's why we are here ... "
They pull you when they are board, normal cars can't tell if your speeding only traffic cars which have to equipment in them. If they do pull you and you tell them straight they will make up a number you are being charged with to scare you, if you give them shit they will pass your plate so more will stop you to piss you off.

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"They are all bent. They bend the rules to suit themselves all the time

And yet they’re the first people you’d call if needed…

Not my first choice to be fair.

Who is your first choice Tom and why?

Gbat

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

Would the army do a better job. Tom is not afraid to see the army on the streets and policing our roads

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would the army do a better job. Tom is not afraid to see the army on the streets and policing our roads "

Is this the same Army with members in prison for sexual offences, drug dealing, murder, gun running and fraud?

Every public sector body has bad 'uns. they are a reflection of the society they come from.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would the army do a better job. Tom is not afraid to see the army on the streets and policing our roads "

Tom has clearly never lived and worked in garrison towns!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would the army do a better job. Tom is not afraid to see the army on the streets and policing our roads "

The Army have their own job to do.....there is a simple solution and that is to increase officer footfall on the streets but of course the Government won't pay for that will they

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Would the army do a better job. Tom is not afraid to see the army on the streets and policing our roads

The Army have their own job to do.....there is a simple solution and that is to increase officer footfall on the streets but of course the Government won't pay for that will they"

Too many bad apples....

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

If you had a real problem with an ongoing crime, who would you contact Tom and why?

Gbat

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Would the army do a better job. Tom is not afraid to see the army on the streets and policing our roads

The Army have their own job to do.....there is a simple solution and that is to increase officer footfall on the streets but of course the Government won't pay for that will they

Too many bad apples....

And you think there aren't 'bad apples' in the Army? Okay...

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By *nkyCplCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"They are all bent. They bend the rules to suit themselves all the time

And yet they’re the first people you’d call if needed…

Not my first choice to be fair.

And yet they’re still your go to. Just like every other police hater.

There is just no way the army would be any better.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"They are all bent. They bend the rules to suit themselves all the time

And yet they’re the first people you’d call if needed…

Not my first choice to be fair.

And yet they’re still your go to. Just like every other police hater.

There is just no way the army would be any better."

The army are better trained, more disciplined, less corrupt and a better track record ..

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By *nkyCplCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"They are all bent. They bend the rules to suit themselves all the time

And yet they’re the first people you’d call if needed…

Not my first choice to be fair.

And yet they’re still your go to. Just like every other police hater.

There is just no way the army would be any better.

The army are better trained, more disciplined, less corrupt and a better track record ..

Better trained in what? More disciplined in what? Better track record in what?

Corruption isn’t something we can possibly debate.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They are all bent. They bend the rules to suit themselves all the time

And yet they’re the first people you’d call if needed…

Not my first choice to be fair.

And yet they’re still your go to. Just like every other police hater.

There is just no way the army would be any better.

The army are better trained, more disciplined, less corrupt and a better track record ..

Yes. They are better trained...st being soldiers.

A better track record for what??

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By *lexanderSupertrampMan over a year ago

Gourock

"They are all bent. They bend the rules to suit themselves all the time

And yet they’re the first people you’d call if needed…

Not my first choice to be fair.

And yet they’re still your go to. Just like every other police hater.

There is just no way the army would be any better.

The army are better trained, more disciplined, less corrupt and a better track record ..

Not in the law

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"They are all bent. They bend the rules to suit themselves all the time

And yet they’re the first people you’d call if needed…

Not my first choice to be fair.

And yet they’re still your go to. Just like every other police hater.

There is just no way the army would be any better.

The army are better trained, more disciplined, less corrupt and a better track record ..

Not in the law"

Well the police are not covering themselves on glory in applying the law. Tom would not trust those buggers to apply a plaster ...

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By *nkyCplCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"They are all bent. They bend the rules to suit themselves all the time

And yet they’re the first people you’d call if needed…

Not my first choice to be fair.

And yet they’re still your go to. Just like every other police hater.

There is just no way the army would be any better.

The army are better trained, more disciplined, less corrupt and a better track record ..

Not in the law

Well the police are not covering themselves on glory in applying the law. Tom would not trust those buggers to apply a plaster ... "

But again you’d still call them if anything went tits up.

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

Police haters should voluntarily place themselves on a register so that they aren't aided by the police in any emergency situation.....lest they become offended by attending officers, just in case the officer/s in question are in anyway "bent".

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They are all bent. They bend the rules to suit themselves all the time

And yet they’re the first people you’d call if needed…

Not my first choice to be fair.

And yet they’re still your go to. Just like every other police hater.

There is just no way the army would be any better.

The army are better trained, more disciplined, less corrupt and a better track record ..

Better trained in what? More disciplined in what? Better track record in what?

Corruption isn’t something we can possibly debate."

I think he's also forgetting that a lot of ex service personnel join the all corrupt police.

Including a certain Wayne Couzens

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By *nkyCplCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"Police haters should voluntarily place themselves on a register so that they aren't aided by the police in any emergency situation.....lest they become offended by attending officers, just in case the officer/s in question are in anyway "bent".

Agreed.

It should also apply to people that talk in the third person.

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

There is credible psychiatric evidence that speaking as the "Third person" on a regular basis is often a sign of serious mental instability.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"They are all bent. They bend the rules to suit themselves all the time

And yet they’re the first people you’d call if needed…

Not my first choice to be fair.

And yet they’re still your go to. Just like every other police hater.

There is just no way the army would be any better.

The army are better trained, more disciplined, less corrupt and a better track record ..

Not in the law

Well the police are not covering themselves on glory in applying the law. Tom would not trust those buggers to apply a plaster ...

But again you’d still call them if anything went tits up."

Naaah... Not worth it....

Honestly not worth the effort..

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By *nkyCplCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"I think he's also forgetting that a lot of ex service personnel join the all corrupt police.

Including a certain Wayne Couzens"

Pop down to Colchester (or any garrison town) at 3am and see how disciplined the army are…

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By *nkyCplCouple over a year ago

Northampton

Naaah... Not worth it....

Honestly not worth the effort.."

Ha ha what a load of rubbish. At this point you’re just trolling….poorly.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They are all bent. They bend the rules to suit themselves all the time

And yet they’re the first people you’d call if needed…

Not my first choice to be fair.

And yet they’re still your go to. Just like every other police hater.

There is just no way the army would be any better.

The army are better trained, more disciplined, less corrupt and a better track record ..

Not in the law

Well the police are not covering themselves on glory in applying the law. Tom would not trust those buggers to apply a plaster ... "

Tbf, that's not their job to be applying plasters really now.....I wish this dehumanisation of Police would stop. It's degrading and counterproductive and people wonder why Officers are leaving the sector and less being recruited

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By *lexanderSupertrampMan over a year ago

Gourock

Totally agree, if only eh

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

Tom would sign up for that if he got discount on hid pole tax

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They are all bent. They bend the rules to suit themselves all the time

And yet they’re the first people you’d call if needed…

Not my first choice to be fair.

And yet they’re still your go to. Just like every other police hater.

There is just no way the army would be any better.

The army are better trained, more disciplined, less corrupt and a better track record ..

Not in the law

Well the police are not covering themselves on glory in applying the law. Tom would not trust those buggers to apply a plaster ... "

Would that be because all the good work they do isnt newsworthy? The media are only interested in publishing controversial stories showing them in a bad light.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Naaah... Not worth it....

Honestly not worth the effort..

Ha ha what a load of rubbish. At this point you’re just trolling….poorly."

That's pretty much his only contribution to the forums.

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By *nkyCplCouple over a year ago

Northampton

Naaah... Not worth it....

Honestly not worth the effort..

Ha ha what a load of rubbish. At this point you’re just trolling….poorly.

That's pretty much his only contribution to the forums."

I had gathered ha ha. Wouldn’t mind if it was at least witty and/or interesting.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

Well Tom is not a Police hater. He hates only two things. Garlic and Walnuts.

His views are honest and if honesty is trolling then Tom will own that one.

As a public service they are not useless but next to useless.

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By *nkyCplCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"Well Tom is not a Police hater. He hates only two things. Garlic and Walnuts.

His views are honest and if honesty is trolling then Tom will own that one.

As a public service they are not useless but next to useless. "

Much like your posts then I guess.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

Naaah... Not worth it....

Honestly not worth the effort..

Ha ha what a load of rubbish. At this point you’re just trolling….poorly.

That's pretty much his only contribution to the forums."

Any your contributions.. please enthrall us all.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Well Tom is not a Police hater. He hates only two things. Garlic and Walnuts.

His views are honest and if honesty is trolling then Tom will own that one.

As a public service they are not useless but next to useless.

Much like your posts then I guess."

You are free to avoid Tom's posts ...

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By *nkyCplCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"Well Tom is not a Police hater. He hates only two things. Garlic and Walnuts.

His views are honest and if honesty is trolling then Tom will own that one.

As a public service they are not useless but next to useless.

Much like your posts then I guess.

You are free to avoid Tom's posts ..."

The joy of nights means I’ll happily stick up for the police on here.

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Well Tom is not a Police hater. He hates only two things. Garlic and Walnuts.

His views are honest and if honesty is trolling then Tom will own that one.

As a public service they are not useless but next to useless.

Much like your posts then I guess.

You are free to avoid Tom's posts ...

The joy of nights means I’ll happily stick up for the police on here."

Joy of nights ?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Well Tom is not a Police hater. He hates only two things. Garlic and Walnuts.

And snakes, spiders, jellyfish, bears, wolves, dogs, Australians and the French

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Well Tom is not a Police hater. He hates only two things. Garlic and Walnuts.

And snakes, spiders, jellyfish, bears, wolves, dogs, Australians and the French

Not you again..

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By *inky_couple2020Couple over a year ago

North West

"Well Tom is not a Police hater. He hates only two things. Garlic and Walnuts.

And snakes, spiders, jellyfish, bears, wolves, dogs, Australians and the French

Not you again.."

Yep. Goodnight

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Well Tom is not a Police hater. He hates only two things. Garlic and Walnuts.

And snakes, spiders, jellyfish, bears, wolves, dogs, Australians and the French

Not you again..

Yep. Goodnight

If only...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well Tom is not a Police hater. He hates only two things. Garlic and Walnuts.

His views are honest and if honesty is trolling then Tom will own that one.

As a public service they are not useless but next to useless.

Much like your posts then I guess.

You are free to avoid Tom's posts ...

The joy of nights means I’ll happily stick up for the police on here.

Joy of nights ?"

I think you forget that there might be Police officers on Fab who could be reading the vitriol you spout about their sector....on top of having to deal with shit from people in the streets they then have to read shit online.

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By *atisfy janeWoman over a year ago

Torquay

"Well Tom is not a Police hater. He hates only two things. Garlic and Walnuts.

His views are honest and if honesty is trolling then Tom will own that one.

As a public service they are not useless but next to useless.

Much like your posts then I guess.

You are free to avoid Tom's posts ...

The joy of nights means I’ll happily stick up for the police on here.

Joy of nights ?

This

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Well Tom is not a Police hater. He hates only two things. Garlic and Walnuts.

His views are honest and if honesty is trolling then Tom will own that one.

As a public service they are not useless but next to useless.

Much like your posts then I guess.

You are free to avoid Tom's posts ...

The joy of nights means I’ll happily stick up for the police on here.

Joy of nights ?

They can read other threads surely

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By *ucka39Man over a year ago

Newcastle

They have to reach targets on a list so it shows woohoo we're doing our job no matter how. now it's backfiring it's long overdue

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well Tom is not a Police hater. He hates only two things. Garlic and Walnuts.

His views are honest and if honesty is trolling then Tom will own that one.

As a public service they are not useless but next to useless.

Much like your posts then I guess.

You are free to avoid Tom's posts ...

The joy of nights means I’ll happily stick up for the police on here.

Joy of nights ?

They can read other threads surely "

That is not how it works now is it

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By *ucka39Man over a year ago

Newcastle

"Well Tom is not a Police hater. He hates only two things. Garlic and Walnuts.

His views are honest and if honesty is trolling then Tom will own that one.

As a public service they are not useless but next to useless.

Much like your posts then I guess.

You are free to avoid Tom's posts ...

The joy of nights means I’ll happily stick up for the police on here.

Joy of nights ?

No mights about it

not much of a sector by amount of corruption coming to light...... New officers are being fast tracked

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Well Tom is not a Police hater. He hates only two things. Garlic and Walnuts.

His views are honest and if honesty is trolling then Tom will own that one.

As a public service they are not useless but next to useless.

Much like your posts then I guess.

You are free to avoid Tom's posts ...

The joy of nights means I’ll happily stick up for the police on here.

Joy of nights ?

They can read other threads surely

That is not how it works now is it

Isn't it. Tom doesn't read Tits out Tuesday threads.. it's not compulsory to read them all...

And Tom does not give a rat's arse if you don't read his

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well Tom is not a Police hater. He hates only two things. Garlic and Walnuts.

His views are honest and if honesty is trolling then Tom will own that one.

As a public service they are not useless but next to useless.

Much like your posts then I guess.

You are free to avoid Tom's posts ...

The joy of nights means I’ll happily stick up for the police on here.

Joy of nights ?

They can read other threads surely

That is not how it works now is it

Isn't it. Tom doesn't read Tits out Tuesday threads.. it's not compulsory to read them all...

And Tom does not give a rat's arse if you don't read his

No, but you can't post stuff like that and not expect people to respond to it

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Well Tom is not a Police hater. He hates only two things. Garlic and Walnuts.

His views are honest and if honesty is trolling then Tom will own that one.

As a public service they are not useless but next to useless.

Much like your posts then I guess.

You are free to avoid Tom's posts ...

The joy of nights means I’ll happily stick up for the police on here.

Joy of nights ?

They can read other threads surely

That is not how it works now is it

Isn't it. Tom doesn't read Tits out Tuesday threads.. it's not compulsory to read them all...

And Tom does not give a rat's arse if you don't read his

No, but you can't post stuff like that and not expect people to respond to it "

Well that's true. Tom does not mind people responding.

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By *opinovMan over a year ago

Point Nemo, Cumbria

"There is credible psychiatric evidence that speaking as the "Third person" on a regular basis is often a sign of serious mental instability."

I find it reads better substituting 'Tom' with 'Sméagol'.

That said, are we still including the Met as police?.. y'know, just in case anyone needs walked home at night.

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By *estarossa.Woman over a year ago

Flagrante

Wot no sharks?

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By *oanna88TV/TS over a year ago

Here and There

I'm sure there will be corruption in any establishment, look at the government....

In regards to the police, the only run-ins I've had with them have been fair. Then again I'm a youngish white male. I'm not so sure if I was a young black male or a female whether I would have the same opinion.

I've always found police to treat you the way you treat then, talk to them like crap and they'll find anything to screw you, respect them and they might allow you to bend the law a little.

Been pulled a few times in town as 'I pulled off from the lights a little too quickly' (run up to Christmas) was asked have you had anything to drink, I hadn't so answered no but was still asked to sit in the back of their vehicle and blow into this, guess what? I blew clean and was let go after being told to slow down... Got the feeling I'd been pulled for no other reason than to make up numbers as it was getting close to shift change time, saw the same car further down the road pulling someone else up...

I'm sure that won't apply to all officers and forces and naturally some shouldn't be in the job, I believe its probably a few bad apples that need ing out but again I'm sure that's the same in most professions...

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By *nkyCplCouple over a year ago

Northampton

Nailed it! I know several police on here and they’re definitely good peeps.

Can only imagine the reaction if someone started a thread about nurses, or single parents, or …..

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

Nailed it! I know several police on here and they’re definitely good peeps.

Can only imagine the reaction if someone started a thread about nurses, or single parents, or …..

Nurses you say...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nailed it! I know several police on here and they’re definitely good peeps.

Can only imagine the reaction if someone started a thread about nurses, or single parents, or …..

Exactly, several of my friends on Fab and in real life are serving officers, my FWB is also an officer, he'd been attacked verbal and physical attacks are regular, he's ended up in hospital 3 times in the space of two years, he just says it's part of the job' well it bloody shouldn't be....nobody else has to deal with physical attacks as part of their job description

As for Hospitals, dont get me started on that, a Nurse on trial from Chester for killing babies on the Neonatal ward is a recent one, the trust tried to cover it up after several colleagues whistle-blew. But we don't demonise Dr's and Nurses because of it of course we don't because any level headed person understands that not all do evil things

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They are all bent. They bend the rules to suit themselves all the time

And yet they’re the first people you’d call if needed…

Not my first choice to be fair.

And yet they’re still your go to. Just like every other police hater.

There is just no way the army would be any better.

The army are better trained, more disciplined, less corrupt and a better track record ..

No.

They arent

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Nailed it! I know several police on here and they’re definitely good peeps.

Can only imagine the reaction if someone started a thread about nurses, or single parents, or …..

Take a breath, missus. Ha ha.

He has a habit of getting under peoples skin, doesn't he.

A keyboard warrior springs to mind, gobbing off and stirring from the safety of his home.

Looking at a lot of the comments, it seems people arent being fooled by the media hype."

I am calm as a cucumber

I think we all know the media will report the news based on whatever agenda the government have at the time, smoke and mirrors hiding the real issues

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By *ris GrayMan over a year ago

Dorchester

Human nature means everyone is corruptable and no one person anymore corruptable than the next

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By *ts the taking part thatMan over a year ago

southampton

"Well Tom is not a Police hater. He hates only two things. Garlic and Walnuts.

His views are honest and if honesty is trolling then Tom will own that one.

As a public service they are not useless but next to useless. "

Can't agree, all day long the Police deal with criminals so maybe 70,000 dealing with 10 criminals a day indicates how bad society is as many are never caught.

The press & public kick the police at every opportunity, the actual number of rotten ones is likely similar or less than the percentage of bad people across society and that surely shouldn't shock anyone.

We have dodgy MP's, Doctors, Nurses, teachers etc etc. Why are the Police going to be any different if human.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Human nature means everyone is corruptable and no one person anymore corruptable than the next

We do hold Police to a higher standard than the rest of society because of the job they do. And rightly so.

But unfortunately its also a job where temptation is rife.

Some are bad apples when they join. Some get turned after they've joined.

But they are in a minority.

I read certain parts of the Casey report, and i was prepared to hate it.

But i have to admit, in relation to frontline policing and training/vetting, she was spot on. The blame being firmly directed at senior ranks.

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By *ucka39Man over a year ago

Newcastle

"I'm sure there will be corruption in any establishment, look at the government....

I've always found police to treat you the way you treat then, talk to them like crap and they'll find anything to screw you, respect them and they might allow you to bend the law a little.

Few, theirs hundreds been kicked out and that's just the start and have great concerns nationwide

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Well Tom is not a Police hater. He hates only two things. Garlic and Walnuts.

His views are honest and if honesty is trolling then Tom will own that one.

As a public service they are not useless but next to useless. "

Well Jennie is not a Tom hater but she does find his underqualified opinions on this thread offensive.

Maybe it's because she spent 25 years doing the very job he is denigrating. By his logic and that of some others on this thread she was corrupt, ineffective and lazy.

Please feel free to direct any bile and vitriol you desire at Jennie. Afterall ACAB aren't they? She probably deserves it.

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"Tom does not mind people responding. "

That's not what you said to me!

Gbat

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By *ris GrayMan over a year ago

Dorchester

"Human nature means everyone is corruptable and no one person anymore corruptable than the next

We do hold Police to a higher standard than the rest of society because of the job they do. And rightly so.

But unfortunately its also a job where temptation is rife.

Some are bad apples when they join. Some get turned after they've joined.

But they are in a minority.

I read certain parts of the Casey report, and i was prepared to hate it.

But i have to admit, in relation to frontline policing and training/vetting, she was spot on. The blame being firmly directed at senior ranks. "
You may hold them higher but not everyone does and corruption exists because of need and because of greed

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Tom does not mind people responding.

That's not what you said to me!

Gbat "

Oh .. you know your different...xx

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

Tom has thought about Shadys view. Fab should be a safe space for all. If the police come here to relax then they should be able to relax. They take enough crap on the streets

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By *itonthesideWoman over a year ago

Glasgow

"Would the army do a better job. Tom is not afraid to see the army on the streets and policing our roads

Is this the same Army with members in prison for sexual offences, drug dealing, murder, gun running and fraud?

Every public sector body has bad 'uns. they are a reflection of the society they come from."

I would say an amplified subsection of the society they come from. These institutions are not suitable jobs for an entire cross section of the population, and then they give you some perceived power and that does something to some people (also some people chase it)

However agreed thats its very similar in the army, probably even more of a sense of being above the law and wouldnt want to go down that road

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"So are there targets or are there not targets "

There have always been targets. 40 years ago they had targets. No problem with having effective targets that help reduce crime and injury and increase response rates

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

O o O oo

Ok to clarify. Threads started with something that is in the News is not against rules.

Everyones opinions matter, including ones you don't agree with

If you don't like a subject then please avoid it

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By *nkyCplCouple over a year ago

Northampton

Please feel free to direct any bile and vitriol you desire at Jennie. Afterall ACAB aren't they? She probably deserves it."

Funny ACAB story here; I had no idea what it actually meant until a few years ago.

I booked in for a tattoo with a regular artist/friend. Had already said I wanted ACAB with a little cat next to it, nothing overly fancy.

Was sat in the chair and just about to get started when the artist asked “I’m sure you do mate, but just checking you do know what this means don’t you?”

My response “Yea, All Cats Are Beautiful!”.

He then proceeded to burst into hysterics and explain the meaning.

I now have “I Heart Cats” instead.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

O o O oo

"Well Tom is not a Police hater. He hates only two things. Garlic and Walnuts.

His views are honest and if honesty is trolling then Tom will own that one.

As a public service they are not useless but next to useless.

I don't agree with that. They would be the first people you rang if you were in trouble. I think they do an incredibly difficult job , especially with how the public treat them at times and I think a few bad eggs doesn't mean they are useless.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ok to clarify. Threads started with something that is in the News is not against rules.

Everyones opinions matter, including ones you don't agree with

If you don't like a subject then please avoid it

Absolutely.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

O o O oo

"Ok to clarify. Threads started with something that is in the News is not against rules.

Everyones opinions matter, including ones you don't agree with

If you don't like a subject then please avoid it

Also attacking a poster is not allowed, answer the post instead please

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

Reality check.

My daughter told me the other day. If i was walking home and being followed by police id be really nervous and go amd find someone i can trust. Says it all. Disgraceful situation they have created themselves.

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By *nkyCplCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"Reality check.

If anything happened to her I bet you’d call them though.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

O o O oo

"Ok to clarify. Threads started with something that is in the News is not against rules.

Everyones opinions matter, including ones you don't agree with

If you don't like a subject then please avoid it

Also attacking a poster is not allowed, answer the post instead please"

Answer the post please people.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
Forum Mod

O o O oo

"Reality check.

If anything happened to her I bet you’d call them though."

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"Reality check.

Reality check

They is all encompassing. Has your daughter got a stereotypical scenario in her head that might not match reality. A big burly male cop?

What if she's being followed by a female officer?

I can't deny that she feels how she feels, but I think some of the media coverage has shaped her perceptions.

My elderly mum still trusts her Doctor,(and quite rightly so) but you know what the NHS is like for serial killers.

Most of "They" abhor what has happened. For instance the ones who locked him up and convicted him.

Gbat

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man over a year ago

BRIDPORT

"Well Tom is not a Police hater. He hates only two things. Garlic and Walnuts.

His views are honest and if honesty is trolling then Tom will own that one.

As a public service they are not useless but next to useless.

Sadly, around here the only reason you bother to ring the police is to get a crime number so you can give it to the insurance.

They really are not interested.

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"Sadly, around here the only reason you bother to ring the police is to get a crime number so you can give it to the insurance.

They really are not interested. "

Sounds like you've been lucky and never had to report anything too serious. If one of your family was murdered, there would be tens of thousands of pounds poured into the investigation, more depending on the intricacy of it.

Are the individual officers really not interesrested or are they hamstrung by lack or resources?

Gbat

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man over a year ago

BRIDPORT

"Sadly, around here the only reason you bother to ring the police is to get a crime number so you can give it to the insurance.

They really are not interested.

Are the individual officers really not interesrested or are they hamstrung by lack or resources?

Gbat "

What you are basically saying is then, unless the crime committed is of the magnitude of murder you shouldn’t be too worried about it.

That’s bollocks.

More peoples lives are impacted in a negative way by ordinary everyday crime than will ever be by a murder.

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By *icolerobbieCouple over a year ago

walsall

I don’t like the way street robbery and burglary has somehow been downgraded to “petty crime”.

It’s not petty when some toerag holds a knife at you while robbing you of anything of value.

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Amongst a list of charges, the policeman had even breathalysed himself to meet targets.

. Police given targets to breathalyse citizens. Where does reasonable suspicion fit in.

Tom will clarify.

Tom is driving along and he is stopped and breathalysed. The reason. He was speeding and swerving erratically. Tom has no problem with that.

Tom is driving along and Mr Plod stops him and says that Tom must blow in the bag. Why is that says Tom. I must meet my targets says Mr Plod.

Outrageous. It's all over the news. What's going on here Peoples "

If I get stopped and breathalysed, I never ask why and thank them for their service. Stopping and testing people is the best way of taking drink-drivers off the road before they're involved in an accident.

Cal

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"What you are basically saying is then, unless the crime committed is of the magnitude of murder you shouldn’t be too worried about it.

That’s bollocks. "

That IS bollocks and it's not what I said.

You said "The ONLY reason to ring is to get a crime number." All I've done is to quickly point out that that is in fact not the case.

For clarity I'll ask again though, do you think the individual officers are really not interested or hamstrung by a lack of resources?

Coppers love charging someone with a crime. Trouble is that they also have to spend time recording stuff that most people would see as really petty and much of which is unsolvable. While they are swamped by this stuff, they also don't get to come and investigate your distressing burglary.

Everybody gets a piece of them and the pieces are getting smaller as there are less to go around.

Gbat

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By *itonthesideWoman over a year ago

Glasgow

"Sadly, around here the only reason you bother to ring the police is to get a crime number so you can give it to the insurance.

They really are not interested.

Are the individual officers really not interesrested or are they hamstrung by lack or resources?

Gbat

What you are basically saying is then, unless the crime committed is of the magnitude of murder you shouldn’t be too worried about it.

That’s bollocks.

More peoples lives are impacted in a negative way by ordinary everyday crime than will ever be by a murder. "

I think you are both right. It feels futile calling them up, nothing happens, more people are impacted by “petty” crime than murder

But the reason it is like this is because of the lack of resources rather than the lack of caring

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I reported a theft last week, the police officer I saw (after spending 10 minutes trying to get into the police station because it was locked) couldn't not be bothered in the slightest, he had no interest whatsoever and was telling us how he couldn't wait to get out of the force.

I only reported it for a crime reference number for insurance purposes.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"I reported a theft last week, the police officer I saw (after spending 10 minutes trying to get into the police station because it was locked) couldn't not be bothered in the slightest, he had no interest whatsoever and was telling us how he couldn't wait to get out of the force.

I only reported it for a crime reference number for insurance purposes.

Expectations high then?

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"Sadly, around here the only reason you bother to ring the police is to get a crime number so you can give it to the insurance.

They really are not interested.

Are the individual officers really not interesrested or are they hamstrung by lack or resources?

Gbat "

Do you think lack of resources makes some of them racist misogynist anduntrustworthy?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I only reported it for a crime reference number for insurance purposes.

Expectations high then? "

Not at all, but I was expecting being able to get into the police station when they had rung me and gave me an appointment time and a specific police station to go to.

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By *ucka39Man over a year ago

Newcastle

"Sadly, around here the only reason you bother to ring the police is to get a crime number so you can give it to the insurance.

They really are not interested.

Are the individual officers really not interesrested or are they hamstrung by lack or resources?

Gbat

Do you think lack of resources makes some of them racist misogynist anduntrustworthy? "

Having lack of resources has nothing to do with it when they have been supposedly trained under the procedures to follow in their line of duty

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"Do you think lack of resources makes some of them racist misogynist anduntrustworthy? "

No. Do you?

I think that British Society makes some of them racist, misogynist and untrustworthy. Same as every other profession you can think of. I don't believe in pure evil, like a devil sort of thing, so it's down to how they were brought up.

Personally, I think there are less of those people in the Police but their impact is greater.

On a tangent, can you name a profession where one of the above listed negative attributes is absent?

Gbat

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By *nkyCplCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"Do you think lack of resources makes some of them racist misogynist anduntrustworthy? "

Key word there being “some”. Get the misfits in ALL professions.

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"Having lack of resources has nothing to do with it when they have been supposedly trained under the procedures to follow in their line of duty "

I'm not sure I follow what you're saying here. Do you mean that if there's a procedure then they must follow it?

You do know that their procedures are different from force to force? And you do know that those procedures are always changing? If the procedures cannot be followed because there are insufficient people, they simply change the procedures. Even the best boss in the world can't get 20 hours of work done in 10 hours.

If there are 20 calls and 5 people, you will get a lesser service, regardless of what you want.

Gbat

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

Ultimately, police officers are just people.. in all the different varieties that people come in. The idea that "they" don't care, or that "they" are only trying to meet targets, really misses that point. The police are not The Borg, they don't all think with some sort of shared consciousness.

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By *ucka39Man over a year ago

Newcastle

"Having lack of resources has nothing to do with it when they have been supposedly trained under the procedures to follow in their line of duty

I'm not sure I follow what you're saying here. Do you mean that if there's a procedure then they must follow it?

If there are 20 calls and 5 people, you will get a lesser service, regardless of what you want.

Gbat "

Their procedures may differ from each force how they handle things but it doesn't mean crossing the line and breaking the law, the law which still stands similar in every force the same rules applie to their training doesn't mean to use unreasonable force unless necessary it's far above and beyond by some it's a majority each side and the good half don't realise are working alongside the bad but many won't step forward because of the backlash.... It has been going on for decades and only now action taken even baroness Casey agrees and several others

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

And... why do the police even have targets that they have to meet?

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By *ucka39Man over a year ago

Newcastle

"And... why do the police even have targets that they have to meet? "

Government set targets handed out that each force need to meet officers have been sacked as they were informed look we don't care how you obtain them but you need to the officer was based in Scotland it's on YouTube along with many

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"Their procedures may differ from each force how they handle things but it doesn't mean crossing the line and breaking the law, the law which still stands similar in every force the same rules applie to their training doesn't mean to use unreasonable force unless necessary it's far above and beyond by some it's a majority each side and the good half don't realise are working alongside the bad but many won't step forward because of the backlash.... It has been going on for decades and only now action taken even baroness Casey agrees and several others "

Sorry Bucka, we've been talking at cross purposes. The latter part of this thread has been about whether the police care or even turn up. That's what I've been talking about.

Of course you're absolutely right, Police Officers should not be breaking the law, and when they are caught doing so, quite rightly face a harsh punishment.

Police Officers have been getting sacked and prosecuted for excessive force for many years, but of course that doesn't mean it won't happen again.

As somebody said above, you've got fallible people, not The Borg. I think one of the reasons that some police officers have been reluctant to admit mistakes/wrongdoing is that they know they are fucked career wise if they do.

Gbat

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"And... why do the police even have targets that they have to meet? "

Because the Home Office use them to measure effectiveness. Many Police Officers really resent having any targets.

Gbat

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By *ucka39Man over a year ago

Newcastle

Sorry Bucka, we've been talking at cross purposes. The latter part of this thread has been about whether the police care or even turn up. That's what I've been talking about.

Of course you're absolutely right, Police Officers should not be breaking the law, and when they are caught doing so, quite rightly face a harsh punishment.

Police Officers have been getting sacked and prosecuted for excessive force for many years, but of course that doesn't mean it won't happen again.

Gbat "

Totally agree with you and have a lot to lose

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By *alandNitaCouple over a year ago

Scunthorpe

"And... why do the police even have targets that they have to meet?

Because the Home Office use them to measure effectiveness. Many Police Officers really resent having any targets.

Gbat "

Targets don't make them more effective, they just create the need to get through jobs as quickly as possible... which isn't the same as doing the job properly.

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By *itonthesideWoman over a year ago

Glasgow

"Do you think lack of resources makes some of them racist misogynist anduntrustworthy?

No. Do you?

Personally, I think there are less of those people in the Police but their impact is greater.

On a tangent, can you name a profession where one of the above listed negative attributes is absent?

Gbat "

I don’t disagree with you, but i do think like someone said above, due to their profession we kind of need to hold them to snd expect a higher standard than general society. Thats because with the power and temptation that come with being in the police , the consequences of those character traits can be amplified

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"Targets don't make them more effective, they just create the need to get through jobs as quickly as possible... which isn't the same as doing the job properly. "

I don't disagree!

But there are also targets for accuracy and customer satisfaction too. So it's not all about rushing through stuff to tick more boxes.

But perhaps you should write to your MP as it's the Home Office (and Senedd) that insists upon and sets targets, not the Police Services themselves.

Bitontheside, absolutely correct.

Gbat

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"And... why do the police even have targets that they have to meet? "

Government/Home Office, and to a large extent now also Police forces, are bureaucracies. Bureaucracies measure performance, and therefore efficiency, and therefore need, with numbers. The fact that the numbers have no basis in reality is irrelevant.

Numbers are meaningless without targets as a measure of performance.

Ordinary frontline officers and the public they look after, care nothing for numbers. They just know whether things are going okay and whether they feel safe in their communities.

Someone once said that a measure of the effectiveness of a police force is an absence of crime. This concept is lost on a bureaucracy. If there is an absence of crime, then you don’t needed a police force…

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By *lexanderSupertrampMan over a year ago

Gourock

I know lots of cops who couldn't give a damn about targets. All they want to do is their job, go out and police, hopefully they, their colleagues and the general public get through the shift not being harmed.

OP if you can do better, sign up and let me know how you get on

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

"I know lots of cops who couldn't give a damn about targets. All they want to do is their job, go out and police, hopefully they, their colleagues and the general public get through the shift not being harmed.

OP if you can do better, sign up and let me know how you get on "

Most people in work, work to targets. Why should police be any different. Its not about joining and being better. Its simply about those who choose to do the job being better. Oh and law abiding.

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By *lexanderSupertrampMan over a year ago

Gourock

OP if you can do better, sign up and let me know how you get on

Most people in work, work to targets. Why should police be any different. Its not about joining and being better. Its simply about those who choose to do the job being better. Oh and law abiding. "

No, it's a job that is different to any other. Lots of opinion from the outside looking in

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man over a year ago

BRIDPORT

"What you are basically saying is then, unless the crime committed is of the magnitude of murder you shouldn’t be too worried about it.

That’s bollocks.

That IS bollocks and it's not what I said.

You said "The ONLY reason to ring is to get a crime number." All I've done is to quickly point out that that is in fact not the case.

For clarity I'll ask again though, do you think the individual officers are really not interested or hamstrung by a lack of resources?

Everybody gets a piece of them and the pieces are getting smaller as there are less to go around.

Gbat "

It’s police not really giving a monkey’s.

I know folk who are in or have retired from police and they have plenty to say about colleagues who just turn up and go through the motions.

This is a very rural area and is considered a cushy number.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

OP if you can do better, sign up and let me know how you get on

Most people in work, work to targets. Why should police be any different. Its not about joining and being better. Its simply about those who choose to do the job being better. Oh and law abiding. "

The nature of police work is not like profit/loss or assets expended for a tangible production result.

It does not lend itself to analysis by numbers.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

OP if you can do better, sign up and let me know how you get on

Most people in work, work to targets. Why should police be any different. Its not about joining and being better. Its simply about those who choose to do the job being better. Oh and law abiding.

No, it's a job that is different to any other. Lots of opinion from the outside looking in "

Yes very much so

But given we pay for them and work to serve us we should bloody well care and have an opinion.

Not sure i understand why people are trying to defend the indefensible. Some arent fit to do the work for which yheyve been recruited and trained. Thats a fact. They are harming all the good stuff the rest are doing. Whatever that may be.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

OP if you can do better, sign up and let me know how you get on

Most people in work, work to targets. Why should police be any different. Its not about joining and being better. Its simply about those who choose to do the job being better. Oh and law abiding.

The nature of police work is not like profit/loss or assets expended for a tangible production result.

It does not lend itself to analysis by numbers."

Of course it does. Just different numbers. You dont establish how effective a service is by not measuring it. Nor do you change behaviours without effective targets and rewards.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What you are basically saying is then, unless the crime committed is of the magnitude of murder you shouldn’t be too worried about it.

That’s bollocks.

That IS bollocks and it's not what I said.

You said "The ONLY reason to ring is to get a crime number." All I've done is to quickly point out that that is in fact not the case.

For clarity I'll ask again though, do you think the individual officers are really not interested or hamstrung by a lack of resources?

Everybody gets a piece of them and the pieces are getting smaller as there are less to go around.

Gbat

It’s police not really giving a monkey’s.

I know folk who are in or have retired from police and they have plenty to say about colleagues who just turn up and go through the motions.

This is a very rural area and is considered a cushy number. "

Policing has never been a cushy number. Not if it is being done properly. Coppers of my generation did it because it was worth it financially and you could actually make a difference. Now it's just another thankless public sector job, not particularly well paid, and not attractive.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man over a year ago

BRIDPORT

"What you are basically saying is then, unless the crime committed is of the magnitude of murder you shouldn’t be too worried about it.

That’s bollocks.

That IS bollocks and it's not what I said.

You said "The ONLY reason to ring is to get a crime number." All I've done is to quickly point out that that is in fact not the case.

For clarity I'll ask again though, do you think the individual officers are really not interested or hamstrung by a lack of resources?

Everybody gets a piece of them and the pieces are getting smaller as there are less to go around.

Gbat

It’s police not really giving a monkey’s.

I know folk who are in or have retired from police and they have plenty to say about colleagues who just turn up and go through the motions.

This is a very rural area and is considered a cushy number.

It was a police officer that told me that this area was considered a cushy number.

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By *ucka39Man over a year ago

Newcastle

OP if you can do better, sign up and let me know how you get on

Most people in work, work to targets. Why should police be any different. Its not about joining and being better. Its simply about those who choose to do the job being better. Oh and law abiding.

The nature of police work is not like profit/loss or assets expended for a tangible production result.

It does not lend itself to analysis by numbers."

Of course it is, it's also getting up the rank at whatever means which is most of their goals giving higher pay.. it's what most do in a professional profession

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

" But given we pay for them and work to serve us we should bloody well care and have an opinion."

But there you go, them and us. They are us.

Of course you should have an opinion, but it's been overused throughout this and other posts. They.

Some people need to stop taking the stance that all cops are bad.

" Some arent fit to do the work for which yheyve been recruited and trained. Thats a fact. They are harming all the good stuff the rest are doing. Whatever that may be. "

Correct. But a few recent posts would have them all damned as this is the counterpoint.

Even whilst supposedly acknowledging that the rest are doing good stuff, you had to slip in that little dig at the end. Whatever that may be.

Gbat

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By *lexanderSupertrampMan over a year ago

Gourock

"Policing has never been a cushy number. Not if it is being done properly. Coppers of my generation did it because it was worth it financially and you could actually make a difference. Now it's just another thankless public sector job, not particularly well paid, and not attractive."

Are you having a laugh? They are under more scrutiny now than ever.

You must be referring to the Life of Mars era when things were a whole lot different

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By *ssex_tom OP Man over a year ago

Chelmsford

There was talk of a European police force. Was this partly why they voted leave

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What you are basically saying is then, unless the crime committed is of the magnitude of murder you shouldn’t be too worried about it.

That’s bollocks.

That IS bollocks and it's not what I said.

You said "The ONLY reason to ring is to get a crime number." All I've done is to quickly point out that that is in fact not the case.

For clarity I'll ask again though, do you think the individual officers are really not interested or hamstrung by a lack of resources?

Everybody gets a piece of them and the pieces are getting smaller as there are less to go around.

Gbat

It’s police not really giving a monkey’s.

I know folk who are in or have retired from police and they have plenty to say about colleagues who just turn up and go through the motions.

This is a very rural area and is considered a cushy number.

It was a police officer that told me that this area was considered a cushy number. "

Well he/she/they clearly aren't doing it properly. Rural crime is one of the hardest areas to work in as it's wide ranging and you often work alone, but can also be fun and rewarding if you engage with your community. Many roles are what you make them. You can hide and pretend that you are doing your job, or you can actually do it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I'm sure there will be corruption in any establishment, look at the government....

I've always found police to treat you the way you treat then, talk to them like crap and they'll find anything to screw you, respect them and they might allow you to bend the law a little.

Few, theirs hundreds been kicked out and that's just the start and have great concerns nationwide "

There has been a massive leadership crisis in policing for maybe 30 years at least. Nobody wants to be a career Bobby any more, and that's where the best work is done. New Recruits all want to progress as quickly as possible, and are encouraged to do so, so almost no-one stays in grass roots policing. Worse, as those capable enough, mostly based on academic prowess rather than policing ability, do progress they are far more interested in qualifying for the next promotion than actually doing their job. If they do encounter wrong doing, they fob it off as a) it looks bad on their watch, b) they have no idea how to deal with it anyway and c) odds are they won't be around long enough to have to deal with it.

Throw in the police loss of identity, direction and purpose and it's a nightmare for the public.

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By *ucka39Man over a year ago

Newcastle

"I'm sure there will be corruption in any establishment, look at the government....

I've always found police to treat you the way you treat then, talk to them like crap and they'll find anything to screw you, respect them and they might allow you to bend the law a little.

Few, theirs hundreds been kicked out and that's just the start and have great concerns nationwide

Throw in the police loss of identity, direction and purpose and it's a nightmare for the public."

Totally this but I'd say more than 30 years but gotten worse over the years as it goes back to the 70s

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

" But given we pay for them and work to serve us we should bloody well care and have an opinion.

But there you go, them and us. They are us.

Of course you should have an opinion, but it's been overused throughout this and other posts. They.

Some people need to stop taking the stance that all cops are bad.

Some arent fit to do the work for which yheyve been recruited and trained. Thats a fact. They are harming all the good stuff the rest are doing. Whatever that may be.

Correct. But a few recent posts would have them all damned as this is the counterpoint.

Even whilst supposedly acknowledging that the rest are doing good stuff, you had to slip in that little dig at the end. Whatever that may be.

Gbat "

Not a dig at all. I have no idea what they are doing well.it would be good and wise to share some of the good stuff they do and have done to counter the corruption and rotten culture in some. My only encounter is ever with traffic cops...sat on motorway bridges and raising revenue. And in covid lockdown moving me on from a bench i was sat on my own. My daughter wouldnt trust them to help her. Thats all i need to know that something is fucked up. And thats on them.

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"There has been a massive leadership crisis in policing for maybe 30 years at least. ."

" as those capable enough, mostly based on academic prowess rather than policing ability, do progress."

Says who?

Is that your personal opinion or are you basing that on some data?

And who actually gets further promoted when they aren't doing their job? Everyone gets an annual review don't they?

" New Recruits all want to progress as quickly as possible, and are encouraged to do so, so almost no-one stays in grass roots policing. "

Well most aren't progressing through promotion are they? 79% of all serving officers are still PCs or DCs.

Of course people want to specialise, but there's not room for everyone to do that is there? And as you probably know, the newest cops are the ones on patrol and get the shittier end of the stick, so it's no wonder a lot of people want to leave that pressure cooker.

Let's not swap Police bashing for Boss bashing.

Gbat

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

" And that's on them. "

Again, which them? Surely it's not the fault of a brand new PC in Wrexham?

There's 140,000 thems in Wales and England.

If you met every single police officer in the Bedfordshire Police (all of them) then you've still met less than 1% of the current serving officers in Wales and England.

Read more local news, it's often chock full of much nicer stories about your local emergency services.

Gbat

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"What you are basically saying is then, unless the crime committed is of the magnitude of murder you shouldn’t be too worried about it.

That’s bollocks.

That IS bollocks and it's not what I said.

You said "The ONLY reason to ring is to get a crime number." All I've done is to quickly point out that that is in fact not the case.

For clarity I'll ask again though, do you think the individual officers are really not interested or hamstrung by a lack of resources?

Everybody gets a piece of them and the pieces are getting smaller as there are less to go around.

Gbat

It’s police not really giving a monkey’s.

I know folk who are in or have retired from police and they have plenty to say about colleagues who just turn up and go through the motions.

This is a very rural area and is considered a cushy number.

It was a police officer that told me that this area was considered a cushy number.

Rural areas may seem quiet but often than not the city gangs will infiltrate the outer towns because they can disperse and recruit kids to push their drugs.

This is what is happening in my quiet area, we have a big issue with County Lines and Criminal exploitation and Cuckooing here as Liverpool drug gangs operate. How can it be controlled when they limit the amount of officers on the streets....

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

" And that's on them.

Again, which them? Surely it's not the fault of a brand new PC in Wrexham?

There's 140,000 thems in Wales and England.

If you met every single police officer in the Bedfordshire Police (all of them) then you've still met less than 1% of the current serving officers in Wales and England.

Read more local news, it's often chock full of much nicer stories about your local emergency services.

Gbat "

Its admirable that you are trying to defend bent, racist and misogynist police officers by saying lots of others are wonderful.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" And that's on them.

Again, which them? Surely it's not the fault of a brand new PC in Wrexham?

There's 140,000 thems in Wales and England.

If you met every single police officer in the Bedfordshire Police (all of them) then you've still met less than 1% of the current serving officers in Wales and England.

Read more local news, it's often chock full of much nicer stories about your local emergency services.

Gbat

Its admirable that you are trying to defend bent, racist and misogynist police officers by saying lots of others are wonderful. "

I dont think anyone is defending the wronguns. However condemning an entire profession based on highly publicised horror stories is a balanced view either.

In my 25 years service I witnessed 2 incidents of what I felt to be corrupt behaviour. Both reported by me both resulted in dismissal of those involved. On a daily basis I witnessed honest hard-working officers bending over backwards to do the right thing, to provide a service.

Each and every officer I worked with and later supervised or managed were in no doubt as to what my expectations of them were, and in the vast majority of cases went above and beyond to deliver on those expectations.

So my experiences in a non Metropolitan Police Service. If those experiences dont match with your perceptions then I am sad to hear that. But trust me, there are dedicated men and women up and down the country day in, day out doing their utmost to be all things to all people.

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By *nkyCplCouple over a year ago

Northampton

" And that's on them.

Again, which them? Surely it's not the fault of a brand new PC in Wrexham?

There's 140,000 thems in Wales and England.

If you met every single police officer in the Bedfordshire Police (all of them) then you've still met less than 1% of the current serving officers in Wales and England.

Read more local news, it's often chock full of much nicer stories about your local emergency services.

Gbat

Its admirable that you are trying to defend bent, racist and misogynist police officers by saying lots of others are wonderful. "

Guarantee wherever you work there will be the racist & misogynistic few, does that mean you are? Of course it doesn’t so stop tarring everyone with the same brush.

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By *lint-EverhardMan over a year ago

Perpignan and cap

They're pigs! Each and every single one of em. Dirty, lying filthy pigs. Not to be trusted. Assume they're all bent and you won't go far wrong.

Which is my opinion and I'm entitled to it.

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

" And that's on them.

Again, which them? Surely it's not the fault of a brand new PC in Wrexham?

There's 140,000 thems in Wales and England.

If you met every single police officer in the Bedfordshire Police (all of them) then you've still met less than 1% of the current serving officers in Wales and England.

Read more local news, it's often chock full of much nicer stories about your local emergency services.

Gbat

Its admirable that you are trying to defend bent, racist and misogynist police officers by saying lots of others are wonderful.

Guarantee wherever you work there will be the racist & misogynistic few, does that mean you are? Of course it doesn’t so stop tarring everyone with the same brush."

Where did i tar everyone with the same brush?

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By *ris GrayMan over a year ago

Dorchester

" And that's on them.

Again, which them? Surely it's not the fault of a brand new PC in Wrexham?

There's 140,000 thems in Wales and England.

If you met every single police officer in the Bedfordshire Police (all of them) then you've still met less than 1% of the current serving officers in Wales and England.

Read more local news, it's often chock full of much nicer stories about your local emergency services.

Gbat

Its admirable that you are trying to defend bent, racist and misogynist police officers by saying lots of others are wonderful.

Guarantee wherever you work there will be the racist & misogynistic few, does that mean you are? Of course it doesn’t so stop tarring everyone with the same brush.

Where did i tar everyone with the same brush?

You seem to be suggesting its acceptable..? My opinion is. Bent police are in a unique position of trust and influence that does not exist in any other profession. We should demand high standards of this public service."
exactly if they are to rule over us and they do they should be pillars of our society beyond reproach

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

" And that's on them.

Again, which them? Surely it's not the fault of a brand new PC in Wrexham?

There's 140,000 thems in Wales and England.

If you met every single police officer in the Bedfordshire Police (all of them) then you've still met less than 1% of the current serving officers in Wales and England.

Read more local news, it's often chock full of much nicer stories about your local emergency services.

Gbat

Its admirable that you are trying to defend bent, racist and misogynist police officers by saying lots of others are wonderful.

Guarantee wherever you work there will be the racist & misogynistic few, does that mean you are? Of course it doesn’t so stop tarring everyone with the same brush.

Where did i tar everyone with the same brush?

It does exist in other professions. The nhs is far from squeaky clean. Politicians are as bent as they come. The fire service is under scrutiny for their behaviour. Yet we still trust the majority of them don’t we

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"Its admirable that you are trying to defend bent, racist and misogynist police officers by saying lots of others are wonderful. "

I’m not. It’s disappointing that you think I am. Can you point me to the post where I’ve defended corrupt, racist or misogynist officers.

For clarity, I think you are saying ALL police officers display some or all of the above attributes because some police officers do. That’s wrong, which is all I’ve been saying.

Gbat

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By *nkyCplCouple over a year ago

Northampton

" And that's on them.

Again, which them? Surely it's not the fault of a brand new PC in Wrexham?

There's 140,000 thems in Wales and England.

If you met every single police officer in the Bedfordshire Police (all of them) then you've still met less than 1% of the current serving officers in Wales and England.

Read more local news, it's often chock full of much nicer stories about your local emergency services.

Gbat

Its admirable that you are trying to defend bent, racist and misogynist police officers by saying lots of others are wonderful.

Guarantee wherever you work there will be the racist & misogynistic few, does that mean you are? Of course it doesn’t so stop tarring everyone with the same brush.

Where did i tar everyone with the same brush?

NOONE is defending the rotten apples, however you appear to be saying they’re all rotten. So to clarify, are ALL police racist & misogynistic?

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By *nkyCplCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"They're pigs! Each and every single one of em. Dirty, lying filthy pigs. Not to be trusted. Assume they're all bent and you won't go far wrong.

Which is my opinion and I'm entitled to it. "

What a well thought out, intelligent response…

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By *icolerobbieCouple over a year ago

walsall

"They're pigs! Each and every single one of em. Dirty, lying filthy pigs. Not to be trusted. Assume they're all bent and you won't go far wrong.

Which is my opinion and I'm entitled to it. "

Did a nasty policeman tell you off?

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By *ormorantMan over a year ago

Lincolnshire

"They're pigs! Each and every single one of em. Dirty, lying filthy pigs. Not to be trusted. Assume they're all bent and you won't go far wrong.

Which is my opinion and I'm entitled to it. "

Get caught and have to run off to France..??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"They're pigs! Each and every single one of em. Dirty, lying filthy pigs. Not to be trusted. Assume they're all bent and you won't go far wrong.

Which is my opinion and I'm entitled to it. "

The problem with today’s world is that everyone believes they have the right to express their opinion AND have others listen to it.

The correct statement of individual rights is that everyone has the right to an opinion, but crucially, that opinion can be roundly ignored and even made fun of, particularly if it is demonstrably nonsense!

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

Some people's opinion says way more about the opinion holder than the subject of the opinion!

Gbat

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By *nkyCplCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"Some people's opinion says way more about the opinion holder than the subject of the opinion!

Gbat "

Spot on buddy. Speaks volumes.

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By *ucka39Man over a year ago

Newcastle

People forget it's a majority bad apples and are plenty of decent whom have been unaware of the actions of another so it's not nice labelling the entire as bad

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By *ackformore100Man over a year ago

Tin town

" And that's on them.

Again, which them? Surely it's not the fault of a brand new PC in Wrexham?

There's 140,000 thems in Wales and England.

If you met every single police officer in the Bedfordshire Police (all of them) then you've still met less than 1% of the current serving officers in Wales and England.

Read more local news, it's often chock full of much nicer stories about your local emergency services.

Gbat

Its admirable that you are trying to defend bent, racist and misogynist police officers by saying lots of others are wonderful.

Guarantee wherever you work there will be the racist & misogynistic few, does that mean you are? Of course it doesn’t so stop tarring everyone with the same brush.

Where did i tar everyone with the same brush?

NOONE is defending the rotten apples, however you appear to be saying they’re all rotten. So to clarify, are ALL police racist & misogynistic?"

Im not saying that and havent said that or even close to it. No idea where you managed to take that thought from. I dont need to clarify something that i have never said. But for the hard of reading, no of course all police are not one label. Im sure there are many excellent ones.There seem to be many that are far from excellent. And in some places a culture that hasnt been and isnt being addressed. Its not unreasonable to demand that they fix it in a public service.

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"No idea where you managed to take that thought from. "

I got the idea from some of your comments above.

"My daughter told me the other day. If i was walking home and being followed by police id be really nervous and go amd find someone i can trust. Says it all. Disgraceful situation they have created themselves."

This one seems to agree with your daughter that none of "them" can be trusted. It's amplified with your addition of "THEY have created THEMSELVES."

It really sounds like you're saying "they are all bad" even though you or your daughter probably will know absolutely nothing about the actual police officer or officers following her.

" That's on them. "

Again, tarring all cops with the suspicion generated by the bad ones in the press reports. The ones you've read about won't be the ones dealing with you, will they?

" Thats all i need to know that something is fucked up. And thats on them. "

Same again. "Them."

If you were expounding a negative opinion of an ethnic minority group based on a few interactions with people from that group and what you'd read in the press, then a lot of people would see that as racial prejudice.

I'm not accusing you of being racially prejudiced but I am saying you and your daughter appear to be falling into a similar trap and pre judging the behaviour you will encounter in a future police interaction.

I'm sorry you and family members seem to feel this way, it must be a worrying way for your daughter to live her life.

Gbat

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By *ohn KanakaMan over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

I think when the newly appointed most senior officer in the Met acknowledges "It's more than a few bad apples" the apologists for the police possibly need to ask themselves what they know that the MET seem unaware of.

Amd if the MET are so messed up I'm content to assume that as they are considered the flagship that the rest of the police nationwide have similar issues.

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By *nkyCplCouple over a year ago

Northampton

The fact there’s a few of us saying the same should possibly tell you that your wording wasn’t the greatest. Thanks for clarifying though.

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By *nkyCplCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"I think when the newly appointed most senior officer in the Met acknowledges "It's more than a few bad apples" the apologists for the police possibly need to ask themselves what they know that the MET seem unaware of.

Amd if the MET are so messed up I'm content to assume that as they are considered the flagship that the rest of the police nationwide have similar issues.

Wasn’t aware anyone had said all the Met, or even the majority were bad apples. Care to point me to a source so I can read?

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"as they are considered the flagship "

Who the fuck considers them the flagship? Nobody in policing outside the Met I bet!

Why do you think they are considered the flagship?

Gbat

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By *nkyCplCouple over a year ago

Northampton

"as they are considered the flagship

Who the fuck considers them the flagship? Nobody in policing outside the Met I bet!

Why do you think they are considered the flagship?

Gbat "

Think we’re flogging a dead horse mate. I’d hazard a guess a lot of the haters have probably been up to no good and gotten caught.

Hopefully the coppers on here reading the threads can see they’re still very much appreciated by most.

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By *ohn KanakaMan over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

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By *ohn KanakaMan over a year ago

Not all that North of North London

Amd if the MET are so messed up I'm content to assume that as they are considered the flagship that the rest of the police nationwide have similar issues.

Wasn’t aware anyone had said all the Met, or even the majority were bad apples. Care to point me to a source so I can read?"

Giving evidence to the Home Affairs Select Committee on Wednesday Sir Stephen was asked by MPs if it was just a "few bad people" within the Met.

He replied: "People have talked about a few bad apples, quite clearly that's not the situation at all, it's not a few bad apples.

"You can't simply say that Wayne Couzens and a couple of other people have done something wrong - that's been the spearhead of the problem, I would suggest.

"But there is a wider issue within the organisation which we acknowledge and we are dealing with."

Full article here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61164155

Given ot was said to a Home Affairs Select Committee it was quite widely reported on at the time.

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By *nkyCplCouple over a year ago

Northampton

Giving evidence to the Home Affairs Select Committee on Wednesday Sir Stephen was asked by MPs if it was just a "few bad people" within the Met.

He replied: "People have talked about a few bad apples, quite clearly that's not the situation at all, it's not a few bad apples.

"You can't simply say that Wayne Couzens and a couple of other people have done something wrong - that's been the spearhead of the problem, I would suggest.

"But there is a wider issue within the organisation which we acknowledge and we are dealing with."

Full article here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61164155

Given ot was said to a Home Affairs Select Committee it was quite widely reported on at the time.

Thanks for confirming not the majority.

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By *batMan over a year ago

Alicante, Spain. (Sometimes in Wales)

"Full article here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61164155

Given ot was said to a Home Affairs Select Committee it was quite widely reported on at the time."

Come on John, you usually talk a bit of sense. People have been saying that the bad ones are a minority. There is a real problem in the Met, but thankfully we are still talking about a minority.

I hope you take the time to answer my question about your flagship comment. Genuine question, not trying to provoke an argument.

Cheers,

Gbat

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By *ormorantMan over a year ago

Lincolnshire

If the Police are so bent etc etc etc why are all the Prisons overflowing and The Criminal Justice System unable to cope with all the criminals awaiting trial…. Who put them there..??

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By *ris GrayMan over a year ago

Dorchester

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By *ris GrayMan over a year ago

Dorchester

Not another one surely

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