FabSwingers.com
 

FabSwingers.com > Forums > The Lounge > Would you apologise

Would you apologise

Jump to: Newest in thread

 

By *appyhippo OP   Woman  over a year ago

coventry

To keep the peace, even if you have done nothing wrong?

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *otSoPoshWoman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon

Apparently I apologise too much.

Conditioning...

So yes, apparently.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *ad NannaWoman  over a year ago

East London

No.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *avinaTVTV/TS  over a year ago

Transsexual Transylvania

Sorry?

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

With my nearest and dearest, yes.

Not with anyone else.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *hePerkyPumpkinTV/TS  over a year ago

Bristol

I would apologise that tempers had been raised, and that the situation had escalated.

But I wouldn't apologise for something I hadn't done wrong.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *luebell888Woman  over a year ago

Glasgowish


"To keep the peace, even if you have done nothing wrong?"

No, I wouldn't. I only apologise when I am in the wrong.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"To keep the peace, even if you have done nothing wrong?"

No I would not ..

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Yes. As in you’re wrong but I’m sorry for pointing it out.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *4bimMan  over a year ago

Farnborough Hampshire

Never apologize for something you believe in.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *.T.Man  over a year ago

Belfast

Always. I'm non confrontational that way.

Although later I would fill the air vents of their car with blended prawns. They'll never get the smell out.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Don't back down. Double down.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Only if I’m wrong.

Which is never

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

No, I would say I'm not going to argue about whatever, but unless I thought I had done something wrong I wouldn't apologise

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *a LunaWoman  over a year ago

South Wales

No. I’m very stubborn and won’t be guilted into an apology.

I’ll hold my hands up if I am in the wrong though.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *LIVEANDKICKING100Man  over a year ago

DUBLIN

No. I'll apologise if I know I've made a mistake or caused offence. Why apologise when you've done nothing wrong

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *ustBoWoman  over a year ago

Somewhere in Co. Down

No if I genuinely haven't done something wrong I wouldn't apologise. .I would want to know though why someone should expect me to and to talk it through if they thought I had done something,but I wouldn't apologise just to appease someone who is throwing out false accusations not a chance.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *iamondsmiles.Woman  over a year ago

little house on the praire

I will apologise if I've done wrong but I'm not going to apologise just to keep the peace

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *ealitybitesMan  over a year ago

Belfast

Not a chance.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Yes..

Sometimes you have to pick battles and it can be easier for them and me

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *eliWoman  over a year ago

.

Yep. I don't like it about myself, wish I didn't. I know why I do it. Years of it.

Even if another person has hurt me, I end up apologising for being hurt. For being too me and causing them to hurt me because if I was different, they wouldn't have acted in that way. It's very rare they apologise.

So I bury my hurt, put on a brave face while I cry inside knowing that at least they're not hurting. And I value them too much so I'll take the ownership of the hurt, even if it's their actions to keep the friendship/relationship. My sadness doesn't really factor in to it, another's happiness is more important.

Move on and tell myself if I'm better, less me, it won't happen again.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple  over a year ago

Leeds

I apologise for everything, existing sometimes, someone bangs into me I say sorry, it's automatic I can't help it, so yes.

Mrs

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I always apologise, id much rather diffuse a situation than have it prolonged for a period.

Is it the best way to be - possibly not but it is the way I am

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *hoirCouple  over a year ago

Clacton/Bury St. Edmunds


"To keep the peace, even if you have done nothing wrong?"

Absolutely not. I barely apologise now but I do try to make them feel better without doing so

C

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

No if I know I’m not in the wrong then I’d never apologise. I’d try and make peace without having to say sorry.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *uriousscouserWoman  over a year ago

Wirral

It depends on the circumstances.

If I've said something I don't deem to be hurtful but someone I care for is hurt by it then although I don't consider what I've done to be wrong I will apologise that it was unclear enough to be perceived as hurtful.

In other cases an apology would feel too close to an acceptance that I'd done something wrong, so I'd probably use the weaselly "I'm sorry you feel that way" type of non-apology.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Once upon a time I'd have done so, especially with my parents. I absolutely wouldn't now, though. I won't go looking for confrontation, and I won't be drawn into one by someone else. Taking a step back, whilst keeping firm boundaries, and waiting for high emotions to subside usually means the peace can be re-established without unnecessary drama.

Nell

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *ilthyRacersCouple  over a year ago

Coventry

With family - yes, I have done and would likely do again.

On Fab probably not.

J

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *ryandseeMan  over a year ago

Yorkshire

Sometimes you have to just let go if you don't want things escalating. Big egos don't do anyone any good. There are always ways to tactfully turn the heat down without necessarily having to explicitly apologise if you haven't done anything wrong

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *rispyDuckMan  over a year ago

Chinese Takeaway near you

Depends on the scenario

Typically I wouldn’t can be stubborn sometimes lol. But sometimes I do cause my dad said: “argue with a fool & bystanders won’t know the difference” and some apologies ain’t sincere! It’s just to shut the other person up cause u got better things to do with your time lol

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *uriousscouserWoman  over a year ago

Wirral


"Once upon a time I'd have done so, especially with my parents. I absolutely wouldn't now, though. I won't go looking for confrontation, and I won't be drawn into one by someone else. Taking a step back, whilst keeping firm boundaries, and waiting for high emotions to subside usually means the peace can be re-established without unnecessary drama.

Nell"

I was once told "you don't have to attend every argument you're invited to" and that has really stuck with me.

Sometimes keeping a distance while emotions cool down is the best thing.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Absolutely not.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Isn’t that basically what a marriage is?

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *andyfloss2000Woman  over a year ago

ashford

Yes x

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Once upon a time I'd have done so, especially with my parents. I absolutely wouldn't now, though. I won't go looking for confrontation, and I won't be drawn into one by someone else. Taking a step back, whilst keeping firm boundaries, and waiting for high emotions to subside usually means the peace can be re-established without unnecessary drama.

Nell"

Exactly, a bit of maturity and perspective works wonders

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *icecouple561Couple  over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex

People often apologise for things they haven't done. Customer service people use the de-esacalating ' I'm sorry you feel this way', a police officer once said it to me when I was angry over how some yobs had thrown stones at my mum. He wasn't responsible for my anger.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

No way

Mrs C

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

[Removed by poster at 05/04/23 14:27:52]

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I just say "fine" and walk away

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *ris GrayMan  over a year ago

Dorchester


"To keep the peace, even if you have done nothing wrong?"
I'm sorry

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS  over a year ago

chichester


"To keep the peace, even if you have done nothing wrong?"

No I wouldn't as it's an illogical concept to me .

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *eard and BoobsCouple  over a year ago

Portstewart

What is this apparent apology for exactly? In fact I probably wouldn't if I'm not in the wrong I'm not taking the blame for someone else and anyone who would expect that doesn't deserve to be in my life

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *irtydevil666Man  over a year ago

bristol

No

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *oelDorianMan  over a year ago

vanaheim


"To keep the peace, even if you have done nothing wrong?"

No I wouldn’t apologise if I don’t have a reason to

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *om and JennieCouple  over a year ago

Chams or Socials

I used to but have stopped as I found it had a negative impact on my well being

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *ris GrayMan  over a year ago

Dorchester

Its a British thing saying sorry when you're not

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *uriousscouserWoman  over a year ago

Wirral


"People often apologise for things they haven't done. Customer service people use the de-esacalating ' I'm sorry you feel this way', a police officer once said it to me when I was angry over how some yobs had thrown stones at my mum. He wasn't responsible for my anger."

I do sometimes use "I'm sorry" in the same way as your police officer - not as an apology as I'm not responsible, but to say I'm sorrowful, as a statement of sympathy.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *oo..Woman  over a year ago

Boo's World

No, if they couldn't give me valid reason or proof of what I've supposed to have done wrong and just expect me to apologise, I wouldn't.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Nope!! I'm too stubborn.

Nikki x

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *avexxMan  over a year ago

cheshire

done nothing why apologise..

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Always apologise if your in the wrong, but never if you've not.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *ashMan  over a year ago

Westhoughton

Yes, would come back to explaination after things seemed settled..

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *lltheboostCouple  over a year ago

Shefford

Abso-fuckin-lutley not!

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *amierebelMan  over a year ago

nae danger.

No I'm never wrong though sometimes I'm mistaken but never wrong

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *laytime78Man  over a year ago

Oldham


"To keep the peace, even if you have done nothing wrong?"

Have done this in the past and ended up regreting it when later down the line the person used it to prove a point...

So unfortunatly now i am much less inclined, even if i know it will help smooth an issue over

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"Always apologise if your in the wrong, but never if you've not. "

*you're

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *hrista BellendWoman  over a year ago

surrounded by twinkly lights

Not a chance.

So many people don't apologise when they have done shit loads wrong.

If either of us needed to keep the peace, then it's a shit friendship

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *uri00620Woman  over a year ago

Croydon

I was brought up Catholic. You learn to apologise for everything. It is ALWAYS your fault.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *issmorganWoman  over a year ago

Calderdale innit

Nope not if I'd done nothing wrong.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I always seem to be the one apologising and I'm not always in the wrong. Would be nice to get a sorry back once in a while

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *ophieslutTV/TS  over a year ago

Central

I dislike coercive/manipulative behaviour and would find a solution, if the relationship was important, including calling out the behaviour. It's not an apology if you've done nothing wrong and thus aren't being honest by giving it, a la Boris

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *VineMan  over a year ago

The right place

I wouldn't apologise for whatever alleged action I was accused of if I wasn't in the wrong, but I would apologise that they were hurt or upset due to a misunderstanding

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *dam1971Man  over a year ago

Bedford

I might do, although after therapy it’s less than before

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

No. Absolutely not.

You do that even one time, they'll expect you to do it again in future. It's like pulling bricks out of a wall one after another. Until the whole wall crashes down.

So best not to start.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

No

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *ittle Miss BipolarWoman  over a year ago

Up My Own Arse Apparently

Generally no.

You don't need to jump on every grenade you encounter in life. Sometimes it's easier just to say sorry if it's no big deal.

However I have found this difficult as I've got older and feel less inclined to people please.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *opman121Man  over a year ago

stoke on trent

If I was in the wrong then yes , life is to short to argue

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I wouldn’t apologise if I believed what I was saying what correct however I might try something like “I’m sorry we couldn’t agree on this but I’d like to try and find a way to move forward”

In that regard I’m a bit of a peace maker but without compromising my beliefs or backing down from what I believe to be right

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *issIrishCoffeeWoman  over a year ago

Bristol

No never

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"To keep the peace, even if you have done nothing wrong?"

Absolutely not, it's not my responsibility to placate others feelings....

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By * kiss like morphineMan  over a year ago

The gravelly bit next to the shed


"To keep the peace, even if you have done nothing wrong?"

After 7 years with narcissists it comes as force of habit.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Kind of regret not doing this in a previous relationship. If I had we might still be together.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *inister_SpinsterWoman  over a year ago

North West

I used to.

Now I don't.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

No, if I’m not in the wrong, then nope!

Mrs

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

Depends on situation, if someone makes a cock up at work and trys to blame me I stand my ground , but if I'm shagging a woman and "accidentally " slip it in her ass then I say sorry

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *ora the explorerWoman  over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

No

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *iddlesticksMan  over a year ago

My nan’s spare room.

Often but then I’m a cowardly custard.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *ora the explorerWoman  over a year ago

Paradise, Herts


"No"

Actually yes I do. Thinks like if someone bumps into me I always say sorry . Serious stuff I don’t though.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *ansoffateMan  over a year ago

Sagittarius A

If I was completely blameless then no.

I apologise for my part in a misunderstanding or whatever but if they can't own their part... Been there done that got the t-shirt, baseball cap, fridge magnet, novelty bottle opener.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

It very much depends on the situation.

At work, with customers, sometimes it's necessary.

At home, sometimes, for the sake of harmony. I'm a big believer in not sweating the small stuff, so if it's something fairly innocuous I'd rather apologise and diffuse the tension than dig my heels in over something that really doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things.

I'd rather choose my battles wisely

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I do. Force of habit from my last relationship unfortunately, he was extremely volatile and it had a lasting effect.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *ranny-CrumpetWoman  over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"To keep the peace, even if you have done nothing wrong?"

Sometimes yes.

Sometimes no.

e.g. The plug gets pulled on all computers in work and everyone is fooking fuming. I get the blame.

In this case I would not apologise as I didn't pull the plug and would maintain my stance.

e.g. An elderly person or a small child bumps/bangs into me and is startled by the collision.

I would say - Oh I am sorry. Are you okay ?

Even if it wasn't my error.

Most fall outs are not worth the time of analysis ..... Just make up and get on with life.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *ocksareoffMan  over a year ago

Out n About

Simply No.

Why should you if you are not in the wrong?

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *he AmbassadorMan  over a year ago

IRLANDA. / Prague. / Cil Dara


"To keep the peace, even if you have done nothing wrong?"
nope,,

Ill apologise if im wrong ill go off solo in a huff rethink the situation and if im wrong ill set it right, but if im not then no way im apologising,

Probably the reason im always in the shits in work.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *dventurous biMan  over a year ago

tesside

I never apologise and never explain.

Sorry, that’s just how I am

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *ranny-CrumpetWoman  over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"I never apologise and never explain.

Sorry, that’s just how I am "

If you are sorry - change.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *icecouple561Couple  over a year ago
Forum Mod

East Sussex


"I never apologise and never explain.

Sorry, that’s just how I am "

I see what you did there

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"To keep the peace, even if you have done nothing wrong?"

No. I’m only apologetic when I know its my fault.

So I don’t know what it’s like to say sorry…

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *enrietteandSamCouple  over a year ago

Staffordshire

Sorry, no.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *amesBeelzebubMan  over a year ago

norwich


"Apparently I apologise too much.

Conditioning...

So yes, apparently."

You just like having to say sorry

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *r_PinkMan  over a year ago

london stratford

I used to be that guy. you know, just apologies to make everyone happy.

But after a while, I found myself getting wound up at myself for not having a back bone. So now, If I am in the wrong, I will happily apologies but If I am not wrong, I stand my ground.

Its better for my wellbeing

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *riel13Woman  over a year ago

Northampton

Not anymore, no

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *akingMemoriesMan  over a year ago

Toronto

Depends on the situation, but yeah, I probably would. I won’t lose any sleep over it. Besides, if think I’ve done nothing wrong, then I probably have done something wrong

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *otSoPoshWoman  over a year ago

In a ball gown because that's how we roll in N. Devon


"Apparently I apologise too much.

Conditioning...

So yes, apparently.

You just like having to say sorry "

Ask forgiveness, not permission I say

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

If it was a one off, and keeping the peace meant the wellbeing of others outside of me and the person I was apologising to, then yes.

If it was just that one person being affected, and/or if they made a pattern out of causing problems out of nothing and demanding apologies, then fuck no.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago


"To keep the peace, even if you have done nothing wrong?"

Done it loads of times tbh, not anymore , l just avoid people that bring angst and drama into my life and it is unbelievably beautiful & brilliant.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *UGGYBEAR2015Man  over a year ago

BRIDPORT

No

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *rancois Du BoisMan  over a year ago

Down the back of the sofa.


"To keep the peace, even if you have done nothing wrong?"

I have done, it sucks

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *agneto.Man  over a year ago

Bham

Yes.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *ris GrayMan  over a year ago

Dorchester


"Its a British thing saying sorry when you're not "
this

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *edeWoman  over a year ago

the abyss

I have done and will more than likely again

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *illygirlWoman  over a year ago

Kilmarnock

Yes, always, anything to keep the peace

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

I would apologise for shit burgers

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *bitjesusMan  over a year ago

darwen

It depends, most likely, no - unless it was like, “I’m sorry you feel that way”

If it’s a misunderstanding because of something I missed out, then probably, otherwise if I didn’t do anything wrong, it’s a hill I’m dying on

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *rHotNottsMan  over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

I found myself apologising for the tech recently on some calls , it wasn’t my fault but I apologised to the participants for it being so bad. Sometimes your responsibility needs to expand when other people mess us

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

No. Why would you want to?

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By (user no longer on site)  over a year ago

No.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *odevilWoman  over a year ago

exeter

I think apologising if you don't mean it is fundamentally wrong and undermines any sincere apology.

I'll say sorry unreservedly if i genuinely am. I will make an effort to understand someone else's point of view but I'll never say sorry just to keep the peace.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *izzy.miss.lizzyCouple  over a year ago

Pembrokeshire

no

if I do then always

if I haven;t, nah, f**k that

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *ungBlackTopMan  over a year ago

salford

Nope

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *ust RachelTV/TS  over a year ago

Horsham

I have done for many years in the past.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

 

By *appyhippo OP   Woman  over a year ago

coventry

This has been an interesting read for me, there seems to be the people that flat out refuse, the people that do it and the people that will look at the situation and context.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

  

By *reyToTheFairiesWoman  over a year ago

Carlisle usually

No.

I'm pretty sure I only ever say the word sorry when I'm taking the piss with someone that understands me.

Actual apologies from me include a statement of understanding where I went wrong and how I aim to be better in future.

If I don't understand the issue or believe I was wrong, I'm not going to make that shit up, or just say sorry for the sake of smoothing it over. I need to understand to have remorse, and I don't like to lie.

Reply privately, Reply in forum +quote or View forums list

» Add a new message to this topic

0.1250

0