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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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This in my _iew a topic that needs a grown up national debate.
My former in law my kids gran has cancer and is close to death, anyone who has seen this happen to someone will know how sad it is. She is a shell of the person she was not just physically but mentally she is incontinent and will not get out of bed again.
I firmly believe folk who at this stage of life should if as she wants to die as he has had enough then nurses or doctors should not hsve tnreat of prosecution hanging over them, especially if family agree.
Animals are not left suffering so why on earth are humans, ts about dignity and quality of life.
I know some believe its god will etc but personally do not accept it. I hope during my lifetime we move forward on this and become more humne in dealing with this matter  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"This in my _iew a topic that needs a grown up national debate.
My former in law my kids gran has cancer and is close to death, anyone who has seen this happen to someone will know how sad it is. She is a shell of the person she was not just physically but mentally she is incontinent and will not get out of bed again.
I firmly believe folk who at this stage of life should if as she wants to die as he has had enough then nurses or doctors should not hsve tnreat of prosecution hanging over them, especially if family agree.
Animals are not left suffering so why on earth are humans, ts about dignity and quality of life.
I know some believe its god will etc but personally do not accept it. I hope during my lifetime we move forward on this and become more humne in dealing with this matter "
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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I agree, we do need a proper grown up debate. I had one relative with MND and another has dementia. The one with MND made her choice by effectively refusing to be fed. The one with dementia has said she does not want to live as she is living (when she still had a few marbles). It's hard on everyone.
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By (user no longer on site)
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I know that if I were infirmed by an accident or illness, I would like to be able to write a living will where I can choose the right to die with dignity, that would not result in the prosecution of family or a doctor. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"As long as it is the person making the decision them selves"
Therein lies the problem. Pre full on dementia my relative understood what was happening to her and wanted to die. That person has gone and the decision she might make now could be "yes, can I have a biscuit now?". |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It should be allowed, anyone who is terminally ill and has the capacity to make the decision deserves to have the right to control their destiny instead of prolonging the inevitable |
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I have very mixed _iews on this subject
In my job i have a few people who are palliative care, for anyone who does not know what this means basically it means they are beyond getting better and basically just waiting to die
One lady i go out to 4 times a day is so close to death its unreal, shes covered in pressure sores that are just getting deeper and becoming infected, because of her age and condition we are limited to the medication she can have so the infection is never clearing up, shes cant be turned as all her joins have seize up, her swallowing reflex has gone so its only a matter of days before she starves to death, they wont operate and give her a peg feed due to her poor health
I go in 4 times a day every day just to change her pad, clean up her sores and wash and change her to make her as comfy as possible, but shes in such bad condition you have to wonder if it was you would you want to live like that?
If you kept a dog in her condition you'd be prosicuted but we are allowed to drag people out like that, she will die of starvation and theres nothing i can do about it bar go in and keep her clean till she does
And theres hundreds of people living like that |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"As long as it is the person making the decision them selves
Therein lies the problem. Pre full on dementia my relative understood what was happening to her and wanted to die. That person has gone and the decision she might make now could be "yes, can I have a biscuit now?"."
The arguement would be that she doesnt have the capacity to make the decision, sad situation |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have very mixed _iews on this subject
In my job i have a few people who are palliative care, for anyone who does not know what this means basically it means they are beyond getting better and basically just waiting to die
One lady i go out to 4 times a day is so close to death its unreal, shes covered in pressure sores that are just getting deeper and becoming infected, because of her age and condition we are limited to the medication she can have so the infection is never clearing up, shes cant be turned as all her joins have seize up, her swallowing reflex has gone so its only a matter of days before she starves to death, they wont operate and give her a peg feed due to her poor health
I go in 4 times a day every day just to change her pad, clean up her sores and wash and change her to make her as comfy as possible, but shes in such bad condition you have to wonder if it was you would you want to live like that?
If you kept a dog in her condition you'd be prosicuted but we are allowed to drag people out like that, she will die of starvation and theres nothing i can do about it bar go in and keep her clean till she does
And theres hundreds of people living like that"
So sad, what is she dying of?x |
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I feel it should be allowed in only in very carefully controlled environemnts to avoid abuse of this right. It's terrible to watch a loved one suffer as I lost my Mum to cancer so I know what it feels like. Z |
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Makes me so angry when I hear of suffering.
The recent case of Mr Tony Nicklinson brought it all to a head recently. His battle to die made me so upset.
No one should have to suffer, no matter what the circumstances.
But.... and its a big BUT....... religion, ethics and law will always be at loggerheads over issues like this.
The more they dig, the more issues arise.
Minefield.
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"As long as it is the person making the decision them selves
Therein lies the problem. Pre full on dementia my relative understood what was happening to her and wanted to die. That person has gone and the decision she might make now could be "yes, can I have a biscuit now?".
The arguement would be that she doesnt have the capacity to make the decision, sad situation "
No she doesn't but when you give those with POA the right to end life it becomes tricky. Which is why I think we ought to have a serious debate about it in this country.
The old don't die of old age anymore - people are kept alive a lot longer than they want. Some are ended when they would like to carry on fighting. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have very mixed _iews on this subject
In my job i have a few people who are palliative care, for anyone who does not know what this means basically it means they are beyond getting better and basically just waiting to die
One lady i go out to 4 times a day is so close to death its unreal, shes covered in pressure sores that are just getting deeper and becoming infected, because of her age and condition we are limited to the medication she can have so the infection is never clearing up, shes cant be turned as all her joins have seize up, her swallowing reflex has gone so its only a matter of days before she starves to death, they wont operate and give her a peg feed due to her poor health
I go in 4 times a day every day just to change her pad, clean up her sores and wash and change her to make her as comfy as possible, but shes in such bad condition you have to wonder if it was you would you want to live like that?
If you kept a dog in her condition you'd be prosicuted but we are allowed to drag people out like that, she will die of starvation and theres nothing i can do about it bar go in and keep her clean till she does
And theres hundreds of people living like that"
How very sad, this is one of the reasons we believe it should be allowed, and we believe the comment about you stating in a pre will that if you was left in such a state you wish to die in dignity, Like a donour card option so to speak, |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Doctors have a protocol, the Liverpool Care Pathway for people that are in terminal decline that in effect is to help them die peacefully. This is only for those people that are at end stage yet The Daily Mail have started a hate campaign against it and are whipping up a frenzy which to me suggests that euthanasia will never be legalised because the ultra-conservative pro-life nutters will always hold more power than the pro choice lobby.
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Im all for it. They say that when we are in that state we can't speak for our selves. Now that is rubbish. When was the last time you heard a cat, dog or any other animal say please kill me, I am in too much pain to live? Its just a poor excuse what people who live in the dark ages likes to give. |
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"Doctors have a protocol, the Liverpool Care Pathway for people that are in terminal decline that in effect is to help them die peacefully. This is only for those people that are at end stage yet The Daily Mail have started a hate campaign against it and are whipping up a frenzy which to me suggests that euthanasia will never be legalised because the ultra-conservative pro-life nutters will always hold more power than the pro choice lobby.
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Absolutely agree, I have had first hand experience of Liverpool Care Pathway care, its dignified, caring and the staff who provided the care gave my family all the information we needed, including sensitive issues. |
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I think it should be legalized. Me made the turn my dads machines ,he was completly brain dead. The last day we went to see him it was terrible to watch. That why i left wheni thought he was as peacful as ge eve going t be. He effectively die when he had his heartache 30 minutes is along while to have the brain starved.
Part of me wishes the paramedics where doing there job for every sad case where they loos a patient 5 may survive
He lasted six hours after them machine was turned of but if t was an animal they wouldnt have let them be like that.
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By (user no longer on site)
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I've always supported euthanasia for many reasons. Some are emotional, such as not wanting to see a loved one suffer, and some (possibly less popular!) are financial...it must cost millions to keep some people alive that no longer want to be here and that money could be put to giving better care in other areas |
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I can't comment on those who do not have the mental capacity to determine their own methods of dying, but I'm always left wondering, when initially told of a terminal illness that will render the sufferer completely unable to determine their own fate, why they don't take their own life when they can and when their isn't a threat of anyone being prosecuted for it?
If a doctor told me I had six months to live max. I would go out at a time of my choosing by my own hand. I certainly wouldn't want anyone else to run the risk of prosecution for assisting me. |
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"I can't comment on those who do not have the mental capacity to determine their own methods of dying, but I'm always left wondering, when initially told of a terminal illness that will render the sufferer completely unable to determine their own fate, why they don't take their own life when they can and when their isn't a threat of anyone being prosecuted for it?
If a doctor told me I had six months to live max. I would go out at a time of my choosing by my own hand. I certainly wouldn't want anyone else to run the risk of prosecution for assisting me."
I know what you mean, but I would always be hoping for a miracle cure. Which would stop me from taking my own life while i was physically able.
Its a double edged sword i guess |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We live within a system where just a few hundred politicians have denied the vast majority of the population an opportunity to decided whether our nation should have the death penalty……
Any proposed introduction of voluntary Euthanasia deserves to be put in the hands of the very people it will effect rather than just left to those same few politicians,,,
Our population should be given a referendum on the subject where voting to accept would include the caveat that anyone who wishes to take advantage must opt into a scheme which has adequate and effective safe-guards to protect all concerned…
Thats my tuppenceworth.... init eh!
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've always supported euthanasia for many reasons. Some are emotional, such as not wanting to see a loved one suffer, and some (possibly less popular!) are financial...it must cost millions to keep some people alive that no longer want to be here and that money could be put to giving better care in other areas"
You seriously think that cost should be a consideration in whether someone lives or not? So where do you drawer the line? With drawer tretment to any know terminal illness? I mean if ultimately they are going to die anyway what does it matter?
You've also highlighted one of the other problems with euthanasia. Sadly there are plenty of people that would choose to flick the switch (so to speak) because visiting Great Uncle Charlie in his care home is a pain in the arse, he doesn't even know they are there and all that inheritence is being eaten up by the costs of his nursing home. Because people do think like that. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I can't comment on those who do not have the mental capacity to determine their own methods of dying, but I'm always left wondering, when initially told of a terminal illness that will render the sufferer completely unable to determine their own fate, why they don't take their own life when they can and when their isn't a threat of anyone being prosecuted for it?
If a doctor told me I had six months to live max. I would go out at a time of my choosing by my own hand. I certainly wouldn't want anyone else to run the risk of prosecution for assisting me."
And there is the crux of my point in this situation your choice should be accepted and legal. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I can't see the current position changing much until the link between church and state in this country is either removed entirely or the church itself changes its position. There was enough of an outcry before Suicide was decriminalised in the early 60's as it was considered a 'sin'. The Law does not define sin - the church does. Hence it is the churches teaching that only God has the right to decide when someone dies (nice bloke then!) and that is what the current law is based upon.
I wouldn't want a Doctor's career to be ruined by either the Law or the church simply because he or she did what was right and caring for ME.
Should I ever be diagnosed with any terminal illness, I just hope it is soon enough for me to take matters into my own hands....
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've always supported euthanasia for many reasons. Some are emotional, such as not wanting to see a loved one suffer, and some (possibly less popular!) are financial...it must cost millions to keep some people alive that no longer want to be here and that money could be put to giving better care in other areas
You seriously think that cost should be a consideration in whether someone lives or not? So where do you drawer the line? With drawer tretment to any know terminal illness? I mean if ultimately they are going to die anyway what does it matter?
You've also highlighted one of the other problems with euthanasia. Sadly there are plenty of people that would choose to flick the switch (so to speak) because visiting Great Uncle Charlie in his care home is a pain in the arse, he doesn't even know they are there and all that inheritence is being eaten up by the costs of his nursing home. Because people do think like that."
Think you missed the part about people who no longer want to be here, not who are no longer wanted here...very big difference.
My Grandad avoided the doctors like the plague in the last couple of years of his life as he must have known that the huge lump in his throat wasn't a good thing. In his own way he did opt to die as when he was finally admitted and the tumour was discovered he refused surgery. He wanted to die at home, but he spent the last few weeks of his life feeling like a burden as the doctors wouldn't discharge him until we could arrange care he didn't really want. We didn't get time to arrange the care and I'm glad we got a few weeks with him before he died, but I know he would have been happier had he not felt he was 'putting people out' and 'costing the NHS money' to look after him in his final weeks |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have very mixed _iews on this subject
In my job i have a few people who are palliative care, for anyone who does not know what this means basically it means they are beyond getting better and basically just waiting to die
One lady i go out to 4 times a day is so close to death its unreal, shes covered in pressure sores that are just getting deeper and becoming infected, because of her age and condition we are limited to the medication she can have so the infection is never clearing up, shes cant be turned as all her joins have seize up, her swallowing reflex has gone so its only a matter of days before she starves to death, they wont operate and give her a peg feed due to her poor health
I go in 4 times a day every day just to change her pad, clean up her sores and wash and change her to make her as comfy as possible, but shes in such bad condition you have to wonder if it was you would you want to live like that?
If you kept a dog in her condition you'd be prosicuted but we are allowed to drag people out like that, she will die of starvation and theres nothing i can do about it bar go in and keep her clean till she does
And theres hundreds of people living like that"
One has to question how she was allowed to develop such pressure sores, there are no excuses for them, with all the different pressure relieving equipment around. Someone should be held accountable for this neglect. I am not casting asspertions st you op btw.
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"I can't comment on those who do not have the mental capacity to determine their own methods of dying, but I'm always left wondering, when initially told of a terminal illness that will render the sufferer completely unable to determine their own fate, why they don't take their own life when they can and when their isn't a threat of anyone being prosecuted for it?
If a doctor told me I had six months to live max. I would go out at a time of my choosing by my own hand. I certainly wouldn't want anyone else to run the risk of prosecution for assisting me."
It is how you feel now (it's a standpoint I share) but when you are faced with it you may feel differently. Our grip on life is stubbornly strong. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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One has to question how she was allowed to develop such pressure sores, there are no excuses for them, with all the different pressure relieving equipment around. Someone should be held accountable for this neglect. I am not casting asspertions st you op btw.
You are doing your job"
That's not strictly true. Sadly pressure sores are at times unavoidable |
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I've seen loved ones suffer and I feel we should be able to.
I know if I was ever in a position of serious illness of not being able to look after myself and I felt I was a drain on my family. I'd rather have the choice with not having to risk loved ones being prosecuted. |
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The problem most have is while they still have the mental ability to decide if they want to die they also have the mental ability to hold onto the hope they may get better, so while people have the ability to say they want to die, most wont, its amazing how many people who have been told they are terminally ill firmly believe a cure maybe found before they die, its only when they dont have the ability so say they no longer want to be here do they realise they wont get any better, by then it would be to late
Plus not everyone in the condition they are dying are ill, there are thousands of old people wasting away, being old is not a illness but it does kill you, horribly in some cases, when do you decide your old enough and want to die? that just creeps up on your and before you realise your bed ridden without the ability to look after yourself or tell anyone what you want |
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"I've always supported euthanasia for many reasons. Some are emotional, such as not wanting to see a loved one suffer, and some (possibly less popular!) are financial...it must cost millions to keep some people alive that no longer want to be here and that money could be put to giving better care in other areas
You seriously think that cost should be a consideration in whether someone lives or not? So where do you drawer the line? With drawer tretment to any know terminal illness? I mean if ultimately they are going to die anyway what does it matter?
You've also highlighted one of the other problems with euthanasia. Sadly there are plenty of people that would choose to flick the switch (so to speak) because visiting Great Uncle Charlie in his care home is a pain in the arse, he doesn't even know they are there and all that inheritence is being eaten up by the costs of his nursing home. Because people do think like that.
Think you missed the part about people who no longer want to be here, not who are no longer wanted here...very big difference.
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No I get your point but the minute financial considerations become a consideration you are entering a mindfield. |
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I did see a documentary once about a man who had always said 'if I ever end up reliant on equipment to keep me alive in a vegetative state, then I want the machines turned off'.
He was involved in an accident some time later and the doctors managed to save him however, he ended up reliant on machines to keep him alive in a vegetative state.
His family knew of his wishes so tests were done to find a way to communicate with him so that they could find out what his wishes were. The medical team realised he could respond to questions through blinking (although the answers were yes/no). He consistently answered the question 'Do you want the machines to be turned off?' with no and consistently answered other questions correctly (e.g. Are you a man? with yes).
I know we all have our _iews now on what we would do if faced with that choice however, I think some people change their mind when actually put into that situation when priorities change or they have certain realisations.
I am in favour of euthanasia but it is such a minefield of considerations that I believe the government are taking the easy option of just keeping it illegal across the board to save them having to think too hard.
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"I have very mixed _iews on this subject
In my job i have a few people who are palliative care, for anyone who does not know what this means basically it means they are beyond getting better and basically just waiting to die
One lady i go out to 4 times a day is so close to death its unreal, shes covered in pressure sores that are just getting deeper and becoming infected, because of her age and condition we are limited to the medication she can have so the infection is never clearing up, shes cant be turned as all her joins have seize up, her swallowing reflex has gone so its only a matter of days before she starves to death, they wont operate and give her a peg feed due to her poor health
I go in 4 times a day every day just to change her pad, clean up her sores and wash and change her to make her as comfy as possible, but shes in such bad condition you have to wonder if it was you would you want to live like that?
If you kept a dog in her condition you'd be prosicuted but we are allowed to drag people out like that, she will die of starvation and theres nothing i can do about it bar go in and keep her clean till she does
And theres hundreds of people living like that
One has to question how she was allowed to develop such pressure sores, there are no excuses for them, with all the different pressure relieving equipment around. Someone should be held accountable for this neglect. I am not casting asspertions st you op btw.
You are doing your job"
you can have all the mod cons going but if their family wont allow you to use them theres nothing you can do about it
The down side to doing home care is you dont have the final say in their care, if they are at home their family does and you have to do as they request, even if it goesd against what you know is better for the person |
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"you can have all the mod cons going but if their family wont allow you to use them theres nothing you can do about it
The down side to doing home care is you dont have the final say in their care, if they are at home their family does and you have to do as they request, even if it goesd against what you know is better for the person"
How frustrating for you - you're the expert in care therefore they should take expert advise on what's best for the patient's care?! I know about patient choice but in this case it's not the patient's choice-it's the family that's saying what happens and when they're not listening to your recommendations... I am in awe of what you do. I would get too wound up and want to shake a few people.
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"I've always supported euthanasia for many reasons. Some are emotional, such as not wanting to see a loved one suffer, and some (possibly less popular!) are financial...it must cost millions to keep some people alive that no longer want to be here and that money could be put to giving better care in other areas
You seriously think that cost should be a consideration in whether someone lives or not? So where do you drawer the line? With drawer tretment to any know terminal illness? I mean if ultimately they are going to die anyway what does it matter?
You've also highlighted one of the other problems with euthanasia. Sadly there are plenty of people that would choose to flick the switch (so to speak) because visiting Great Uncle Charlie in his care home is a pain in the arse, he doesn't even know they are there and all that inheritence is being eaten up by the costs of his nursing home. Because people do think like that.
Think you missed the part about people who no longer want to be here, not who are no longer wanted here...very big difference.
No I get your point but the minute financial considerations become a consideration you are entering a mindfield. "
Being incredibly cynical, I sometimes think the financial considerations would be the ones that may one day tip the balance towards it becoming legal as horrible as that may sound.
It should always be the choice of the person rather than anyone else though. I do think people should be allowed a 'living will' where you can ask for things like a life support be switched off after certain criteria are met or to be euthanised should you develop certain terminal illnesses which affect quality of life but will later inhibit your ability to make a decision..however I do worry that could become like a donor card whereby the person wants to die, but family prevent it some way like the next of kin can say no to organ donation despite it being a persons wishes. |
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"I wouldn't want a Doctor's career to be ruined by either the Law or the church simply because he or she did what was right and caring for ME.
Should I ever be diagnosed with any terminal illness, I just hope it is soon enough for me to take matters into my own hands.... "
Herein lies yet another problem that no-one has highlighted as yet ... life insurance.
As things stand at the present time, not only is euthanasia illegal, but insofar as insurance companies are concerned, suicide invalidates your life insurance.
Those who end up in the minefield of wanting to die, but not wanting anyone else to 'get into trouble for helping them' also have this added issue, whereby if they were in a position to end their own lives, the insurance policy they've been paying into for the past x amount of years, will just get swallowed up by the insurance company because they will refuse to pay out based on the suicide clause.
I think even this needs to be re-visited in law, making suicide acceptable (on certain grounds) insofar as making the insurance companies still pay out to the patients' families, exactly as they had planned when they first started paying into such policies. |
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"This in my _iew a topic that needs a grown up national debate.
My former in law my kids gran has cancer and is close to death, anyone who has seen this happen to someone will know how sad it is. She is a shell of the person she was not just physically but mentally she is incontinent and will not get out of bed again.
I firmly believe folk who at this stage of life should if as she wants to die as he has had enough then nurses or doctors should not hsve tnreat of prosecution hanging over them, especially if family agree.
Animals are not left suffering so why on earth are humans, ts about dignity and quality of life.
I know some believe its god will etc but personally do not accept it. I hope during my lifetime we move forward on this and become more humne in dealing with this matter "
i could not agree more and it is no different to the way i felt when watching my big brother slowly dying several years ago!!! |
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I not only believe in euthanasia for terminal illness, but in allowing those suffering from unmremitting severe chronic illness, who wish to do so, to "catch the bus" as it were, without the need to sneak off to South America or buy packets of powdered Nembutal from the Far East.
No explanations. |
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Oh yes, as much as I mentioned the insurance thing, I neglected to add my personal two pen'orth ...
As someone who has had dozens of pets in the past, I have found myself in the horrible situation of having to decide to end the lives/suffering of a great many of my beloved pets over the years. Never once have I said 'no' when advised by a vet who provided me with sound reasoning for the suggestion of euthanasia, but by the same standard, I have spent £1,000s in trying to save those where there has been some hope of restoring my babies to full health but without prolonging their agony/suffering. I say this with the full knowledge that even decades after losing my first beloved pet, it still hurts to this day that I had to make that terrible decision to end her life but also I know that as soon as that decision had been made, she only suffered for another few minutes, but I remember the look in her eyes as she started to drift away, it was as though she was looking at me and thanking me for releasing her from her pain. I've had to go through this dozens of times over the past 25+yrs, but I can honestly say that not a single one of my pets has been euthanised or allowed to suffer unnecessarily, and I will always look at each case on it's individual merits for as long as I continue to have pets in my life.
As for human euthanasia, as someone who has lived with a diagnosis of multiple sclerosis for almost 19yrs, I understand that one day something could shut down any amount of the nerves in my body, thus rendering me incapable of experiencing my current quality of life.
There is also history of Alzheimers, cancer, strokes, amongst a whole raft of other medical issues in my family's history, so I am fully aware that I could end up with any number of these things.
I do carry a donor card (not that anyone would particularly want any of my MS-riddled organs, but they're there if anyone does) and I've informed my family of my wishes. I have also put in writing a DNR (Do Not Resuscitate) and requested that should I be rendered incapable of any semblance of quality of life, they must do whatever it takes (without getting themselves into trouble) to ensure that I am not a burden on either my family or society.
Hence, I am totally PRO-euthanasia |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I not only believe in euthanasia for terminal illness, but in allowing those suffering from unmremitting severe chronic illness, who wish to do so, to "catch the bus" as it were, without the need to sneak off to South America or buy packets of powdered Nembutal from the Far East.
No explanations. "
It should definitely be allowed. With procedures in place, especially for relatives that may be financially motivated.
And good point about insurance companies, they would have to change their policies too.
It's just so horrifically unfair that it's ok for people to have to suffer but animals don't have to.
I've lost 2 pets in the last couple of years and I was with all of them at the vet's when they died, stroking and cuddling them until they were at peace. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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It has to be a decision made by the person at a time when they were in good health.
I have a do not resusitate notice on my NHS file and expect them to follow my wishes.
I carry a donor card but am aware most of my bits will be of no use to anyone so I've donated what the transplant people won't/ can't use to medical research. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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My mum drumned it into us since we were kids she donated her body to medical science when the time came as she dued of empheysima they said they only wanted health dead folk if there is such a thing at the time of her death i was close to saying no i could not have lived with myself if i went her against her wishes.
there was no funeral as no body but a memorial service i now am on same register if i can help just one person my death and life not in vain. please think of doing same. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"My mum drumned it into us since we were kids she donated her body to medical science when the time came as she dued of empheysima they said they only wanted health dead folk if there is such a thing at the time of her death i was close to saying no i could not have lived with myself if i went her against her wishes.
there was no funeral as no body but a memorial service i now am on same register if i can help just one person my death and life not in vain. please think of doing same."
The biggest challenge to body donation is lack of storage space. |
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The pointt about animals is pertinent. When my grandfather was in his last days I visited him in hospital - and he was a shadow. Thin, nil by mouth, comatose. I remember looking at him and thinking that if he was one of my rats I would have done the kind thing weeks back.
THEN the doctors took my father to one side (he is also a doctor) to discuss changing his father's medication to something 'better for keeping his heart and kidneys functioning'
He looked them dead in the eye and asked 'why'? They stuttered and stammered and made some asinine remarks about keeping him alive longer.
Dad (quietly) went off on a rant about granddad being nil by mouth, not being there at all and how it was bloody cruel.
They were attempting to KEEP HIM ALIVE.
If he'd been a dog/cat/other animal the owner could have been done for criminal neglect, but because he was human it was somehow 'better'.
I've never forgotten that and to this day am grateful to my dad for saying what he did. |
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"Doctors have a protocol, the Liverpool Care Pathway for people that are in terminal decline that in effect is to help them die peacefully. This is only for those people that are at end stage yet The Daily Mail have started a hate campaign against it and are whipping up a frenzy which to me suggests that euthanasia will never be legalised because the ultra-conservative pro-life nutters will always hold more power than the pro choice lobby.
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thats because there are a lot of cases out there where this have been abused and I speak personally of one case where this was happening |
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By (user no longer on site)
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A very difficult subject matter and I really don't know if there is a right or wrong. I personally think it should be allowed however there will always be circumstances where it could be abused by someone to rid themselves of an elderly relative etc.
If it was clear cut and done by committee then it would be a fair way but then that looks cynical. You could debate for decades and fail to reach a definitive answer on this in.e |
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Yes definitely a very touchy and emotive subject as there will always be some people who don't necessarily believe or want to understand someone's/loved ones _iews on the subject |
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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago
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"This in my _iew a topic that needs a grown up national debate.
My former in law my kids gran has cancer and is close to death, anyone who has seen this happen to someone will know how sad it is. She is a shell of the person she was not just physically but mentally she is incontinent and will not get out of bed again.
I firmly believe folk who at this stage of life should if as she wants to die as he has had enough then nurses or doctors should not hsve tnreat of prosecution hanging over them, especially if family agree.
Animals are not left suffering so why on earth are humans, ts about dignity and quality of life.
I know some believe its god will etc but personally do not accept it. I hope during my lifetime we move forward on this and become more humne in dealing with this matter "
To a point I agree having nursed both of my parents to the end. However, it is very dangerous ground. We already have the Liverpool Pathway which is where people are permitted to die and no intervention is used to prolong life (which is what happened with my mother).
I think, particularly with the elderly, it would be too easy to simply write someone off and simply end their lives. Oh, I know all the arguments about it being individual choice, and personal wishes, etc., but how long before such a system is abused? It's already happening with Liverpool Pathway where people have been put on it without consent or their loved ones being informed. |
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