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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Take what money?
Are you the model or photographer?im the model hun and the photographer wants to exhibit my pics "
Well you would normally have decided before hand if you are too be paid so not following the money bit.
But yes you should get a copy of all photographs taken, but the photographer owns the copyright.
Again you should have decided beforehand with the photographer where you give consent for the images to be used. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Is it a professional shoot and have you signed/agreed on ownership of the images?yeh. Proper shoot, havnt signed release for yet"
The release is purely for the use and intent of images in the public domain. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Got my first photo shoot soon and cant wait, its erotic ,nude poses. My dilemma is do I take the money or a copy of the pics? :"
Is that the deal you have agreed with the photographer - money or pics? It would depends if you are an established model or trying to build a portfolio. If th former, take the money. If the latter, take the pics.
Normally, a model would be paid for their time and would sign a model release form indicating how they agree to the pictures being used.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Both!!my oh said that"
As above what I said and what my OH said, hard to advise without knowing more info.
But have fun, make sure you have an agreement before any pictures are taken. |
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"Got my first photo shoot soon and cant wait, its erotic ,nude poses. My dilemma is do I take the money or a copy of the pics? :"
any decent photographer would do both, doesnt cost anything to drop the images on a cd.
If he is publishing them I would say money. If you sign a release form, money.
BUT, next time, ensure you have an agreement before the shoot.
We shoot for publications so all our stuff is released, but we do give the model photos for portfolio, but we stamp them with our copyright as the model would have been paid for the shoot and the images remain ours.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Is it a professional shoot and have you signed/agreed on ownership of the images?
Photographer will always own the copyright."
I know a photographer who offers to give the models a mini portfolio or works something out with them before hand.
I just wondered if they had arranged anything regarding something similar.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Is it a professional shoot and have you signed/agreed on ownership of the images?
Photographer will always own the copyright.
I know a photographer who offers to give the models a mini portfolio or works something out with them before hand.
I just wondered if they had arranged anything regarding something similar.
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Regardless of whether the photographer offers the model the images the copyright will always remain with the photographer, it is their property.
Giving a model the rights to use them for their portfolio is completely different to copyright, they are just giving the model the right to use their images. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"The agreement is £30 ph or time for pics, my oh said I shud, get paid for time and pics on cd, thanx for feedback guys, never done this before "
Speak to the photographer and good luck  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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A beginning model usually does tfp time for prints to start then starts to get paid once they've gotten a bit more experience.
Was this not discussed when the shoot was booked though?! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I havent signed anythin or agreed prices/prints, i found out wot he wanted to do an how much for then said i wud think about the offer an i hav test pics nxt week so will agree on sumthin then. I said to OH i wud hav the photos this time an if i did it again i wud hav the money, OH suggested i shud get paid an pics put on a disc or couple of the best pics an the money. Hope that makes sense |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yeah normally the pics have been edited and touched up which takes the photographer time so for a new model to get edited pics and get paid isn't the norm.
Its up to you but if you get the pics you can use them to get more work and eventually get paid. |
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By *hangovCouple
over a year ago
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Time for pics was more acceptable in the old days when pics had to be printed which was time consuming and had a cost attached.Nowadays it costs virtually nothing and takes hardly any time to put them on a disc so Id say ask for pics and payment.
If you want the pics retouching then you can always do it yourself. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Someone who hasn't done any modelling and hasn't got a portfolio doesn't normally get paid for the shoot in money, it's normally the other way round the wanna be model paying the photographer money to build them a portfolio!
Normally this agreed before any shoot takes place... The copyright always stays with the photographer as the images are their property!
Has he been commissioned by a 3rd party to take the shots? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Time for pics was more acceptable in the old days when pics had to be printed which was time consuming and had a cost attached.Nowadays it costs virtually nothing and takes hardly any time to put them on a disc so Id say ask for pics and payment.
If you want the pics retouching then you can always do it yourself."
you should not retouch the images yourself . . . That would be a breach of copyright . . Unless permission is given within a contract . . |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Someone who hasn't done any modelling and hasn't got a portfolio doesn't normally get paid for the shoot in money, it's normally the other way round the wanna be model paying the photographer money to build them a portfolio!
Normally this agreed before any shoot takes place... The copyright always stays with the photographer as the images are their property!
Has he been commissioned by a 3rd party to take the shots? "
no, he wants to sell them as themed collections |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Someone who hasn't done any modelling and hasn't got a portfolio doesn't normally get paid for the shoot in money, it's normally the other way round the wanna be model paying the photographer money to build them a portfolio!
Normally this agreed before any shoot takes place... The copyright always stays with the photographer as the images are their property!
Has he been commissioned by a 3rd party to take the shots? "
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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It started like this, i went into his shop an asked if he could blow a pic up of me an OH. He said u photograph well wud u be interested in havin sum photos done for advertising for the shop, im under no illusion that im no kate moss, im 34, got abit of a mommy tummy an hav curves but he said it was just what he wanted, i thought it wud be an experience and somethin to look back on so why not |
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By *hangovCouple
over a year ago
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"Time for pics was more acceptable in the old days when pics had to be printed which was time consuming and had a cost attached.Nowadays it costs virtually nothing and takes hardly any time to put them on a disc so Id say ask for pics and payment.
If you want the pics retouching then you can always do it yourself. you should not retouch the images yourself . . . That would be a breach of copyright . . Unless permission is given within a contract . . "
If the photos are for the models private use then retouching would be allowed as per the fair dealing rules |
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"Time for pics was more acceptable in the old days when pics had to be printed which was time consuming and had a cost attached.Nowadays it costs virtually nothing and takes hardly any time to put them on a disc so Id say ask for pics and payment.
If you want the pics retouching then you can always do it yourself. you should not retouch the images yourself . . . That would be a breach of copyright . . Unless permission is given within a contract . .
If the photos are for the models private use then retouching would be allowed as per the fair dealing rules"
I'd go apeshit if a model (or anyone else) started editing my images.
It would have to be specifically stated in any MR that permission was given. Copyright governs the manipulation of images as well as ownership and usage rights.
As to the original question...if it's £30/hr take the money and hope he's decent enough to give you a few images. If it's £30 for the whole shoot, take the images instead !
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Time for pics was more acceptable in the old days when pics had to be printed which was time consuming and had a cost attached.Nowadays it costs virtually nothing and takes hardly any time to put them on a disc so Id say ask for pics and payment.
If you want the pics retouching then you can always do it yourself. you should not retouch the images yourself . . . That would be a breach of copyright . . Unless permission is given within a contract . .
If the photos are for the models private use then retouching would be allowed as per the fair dealing rules"
not wanting to quote the legislation but you are wrong . . Besides why would someone who isn't a competent retoucher want to try and retouch a photographers work . . . . . Maybe you'd like one print at a good size so you can frame it and payment . . . A bit of a haggle . . . But don't push your luck too far |
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By *JyorksMan
over a year ago
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Whenever I book through model mayhem, the usual rule of thumb is for models with no experience TFP for fashion type shots and anything 18+ is paid work . Even with the paid stuff I give model some shots for her port , just seems to the thing to do . |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Whenever I book through model mayhem, the usual rule of thumb is for models with no experience TFP for fashion type shots and anything 18+ is paid work . Even with the paid stuff I give model some shots for her port , just seems to the thing to do . "
thanx for that, ,seems fair,
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Just make sure your model isn't being selected on fake pics, or pics that don't show it as it really is. We can all do wonders with a cam and the proper angles though. So enjoy |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Just try to have fun , if he is going to sell prints then payment is a must . A model release will help to keep things clear , but bear in mind that there not a legal requirement in the UK . "
so he can sell pics without my permission?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Yeah they are his pics. He can pretty much do as he likes. Unless there's a gentleman's agreement in place to use them privately but then its only a gentleman's agreement and wouldn't breach the law of he did sell them on later. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Time for pics was more acceptable in the old days when pics had to be printed which was time consuming and had a cost attached.Nowadays it costs virtually nothing and takes hardly any time to put them on a disc so Id say ask for pics and payment.
If you want the pics retouching then you can always do it yourself. you should not retouch the images yourself . . . That would be a breach of copyright . . Unless permission is given within a contract . .
If the photos are for the models private use then retouching would be allowed as per the fair dealing rules"
Not true as per Just for Laughs. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Just try to have fun , if he is going to sell prints then payment is a must . A model release will help to keep things clear , but bear in mind that there not a legal requirement in the UK . so he can sell pics without my permission? "
Yes they are his property, he own all rights to them. |
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By *r mrs pCouple
over a year ago
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"The agreement is £30 ph or time for pics, my oh said I shud, get paid for time and pics on cd, thanx for feedback guys, never done this before "
Fees not gone up much in 23 years, 25 pound per hour then and that was for catalouge work. |
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By *hangovCouple
over a year ago
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"Time for pics was more acceptable in the old days when pics had to be printed which was time consuming and had a cost attached.Nowadays it costs virtually nothing and takes hardly any time to put them on a disc so Id say ask for pics and payment.
If you want the pics retouching then you can always do it yourself. you should not retouch the images yourself . . . That would be a breach of copyright . . Unless permission is given within a contract . .
If the photos are for the models private use then retouching would be allowed as per the fair dealing rules
Not true as per Just for Laughs."
I'm not sure why you are saying it is not true that the images could be retouched. Are you relying on the fact that s21 of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 prevents infringement by adaptation? |
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If I as a photographer give an image to an artist to create a painting from, he has to have my expressed permission to adapt the image to another art form. Once he has done so, he then, bizarrely, owns the copyright to he adapted image and I can't photograph his painting of my photo without his expressed permission !
The same applies to edited photographs...edit them without my permission and you're in breach of copyright.
As to the question of modelling fees, Mrs JFL charges £20/hr for a minimum of 3 hours work, or will do a day rate of around £100, depending on levels. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Unless things have changed from when I used to take pro shots of models which I then exhibited, the 'usual' form would be for you to get a couple of 10x8's for your portfolio (jpegs now!) AND get paid.
The MOST important thing though, is to INSIST the photographer gives you a copy of his 'Release Form' at least 24 hours before the shoot. Make sure you read it and if you are in ANY doubt about anything in it, do NOT sign it until you've got it clarified.
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By *hangovCouple
over a year ago
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"If I as a photographer give an image to an artist to create a painting from, he has to have my expressed permission to adapt the image to another art form. Once he has done so, he then, bizarrely, owns the copyright to he adapted image and I can't photograph his painting of my photo without his expressed permission !
The same applies to edited photographs...edit them without my permission and you're in breach of copyright.
As to the question of modelling fees, Mrs JFL charges £20/hr for a minimum of 3 hours work, or will do a day rate of around £100, depending on levels."
I understand your assertion that editing is a breach of copyright, what I am asking for is the authority upon which the assertion is based |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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I agree, I really only wanted sum feedback, so now I know the pics belong to him, thrash out a fair deal n get his permission to use his pics of me lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I agree, I really only wanted sum feedback, so now I know the pics belong to him, thrash out a fair deal n get his permission to use his pics of me lol "
Yes, the pics belong to him, but HE has to get YOUR permission to use them however he wants - and that's what the Release Form is for. Some unscrupulous photographers (Good heavens There aren't any are there??) put terms into them which are 'less than honest', shall we say.??? If he's got nothing to hide, he shouldn't have any problem in letting you see a copy before the shoot.
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By (user no longer on site)
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I have been asked but was person who do them for Magazines and alot go over seas to the USA ...Hot house wifes or somthing older ladys over 30 its there jobs and have like film sets in a big wearhouse .. Thing that worries me is not being in control of pics after and i don't need the money maybe if i did i would go for it as can be 100s of pounds a pic . |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have been asked but was person who do them for Magazines and alot go over seas to the USA ...Hot house wifes or somthing older ladys over 30 its there jobs and have like film sets in a big wearhouse .. Thing that worries me is not being in control of pics after and i don't need the money maybe if i did i would go for it as can be 100s of pounds a pic . "
i can understand this, but your photos are on the website which means anyone can see them!
i was told if you dont want something in the public domain dont post |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I have been asked but was person who do them for Magazines and alot go over seas to the USA ...Hot house wifes or somthing older ladys over 30 its there jobs and have like film sets in a big wearhouse .. Thing that worries me is not being in control of pics after and i don't need the money maybe if i did i would go for it as can be 100s of pounds a pic .
i can understand this, but your photos are on the website which means anyone can see them!
i was told if you dont want something in the public domain dont post "
sure are here and yes people see me .. but i pick what i wish them to see .. if it was a job i would have to do as thay said ... and not sure how i would cope as i do my own pics would be very different . Thay pay and thay control .. is how i see it. |
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"Time for pics was more acceptable in the old days when pics had to be printed which was time consuming and had a cost attached.Nowadays it costs virtually nothing and takes hardly any time to put them on a disc so Id say ask for pics and payment.
If you want the pics retouching then you can always do it yourself. you should not retouch the images yourself . . . That would be a breach of copyright . . Unless permission is given within a contract . .
If the photos are for the models private use then retouching would be allowed as per the fair dealing rules
Not true as per Just for Laughs.
I'm not sure why you are saying it is not true that the images could be retouched. Are you relying on the fact that s21 of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 prevents infringement by adaptation?"
I rely on law and knowledge, not people banding around incorrect information.
If someone had posted re a subject I did not have in depth knowledge of, I'd not have posted.
The copyright holder has the right to be credited for the work, to determine who may adapt the work to other forms, who may financially benefit from it, and other related rights.
It is a form of intellectual property applicable to any expressible form of an idea or information that is substantive and discrete.
Once an idea has been reduced to tangible form, for example by securing it in a fixed medium (such as a drawing, sheet music, photograph, a videotape, or a computer file), the copyright holder is entitled to enforce his or her exclusive rights. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Time for pics was more acceptable in the old days when pics had to be printed which was time consuming and had a cost attached.Nowadays it costs virtually nothing and takes hardly any time to put them on a disc so Id say ask for pics and payment.
If you want the pics retouching then you can always do it yourself. you should not retouch the images yourself . . . That would be a breach of copyright . . Unless permission is given within a contract . .
If the photos are for the models private use then retouching would be allowed as per the fair dealing rules
Not true as per Just for Laughs.
I'm not sure why you are saying it is not true that the images could be retouched. Are you relying on the fact that s21 of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 prevents infringement by adaptation?"
Oh and in 2005 that law was adapted. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Time for pics was more acceptable in the old days when pics had to be printed which was time consuming and had a cost attached.Nowadays it costs virtually nothing and takes hardly any time to put them on a disc so Id say ask for pics and payment.
If you want the pics retouching then you can always do it yourself. you should not retouch the images yourself . . . That would be a breach of copyright . . Unless permission is given within a contract . .
If the photos are for the models private use then retouching would be allowed as per the fair dealing rules
Not true as per Just for Laughs.
I'm not sure why you are saying it is not true that the images could be retouched. Are you relying on the fact that s21 of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 prevents infringement by adaptation?
Oh and in 2005 that law was adapted."
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"Time for pics was more acceptable in the old days when pics had to be printed which was time consuming and had a cost attached.Nowadays it costs virtually nothing and takes hardly any time to put them on a disc so Id say ask for pics and payment.
If you want the pics retouching then you can always do it yourself. you should not retouch the images yourself . . . That would be a breach of copyright . . Unless permission is given within a contract . .
If the photos are for the models private use then retouching would be allowed as per the fair dealing rules
Not true as per Just for Laughs.
I'm not sure why you are saying it is not true that the images could be retouched. Are you relying on the fact that s21 of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 prevents infringement by adaptation?
Oh and in 2005 that law was adapted.
oi missus "
Yes I shall duly shut up, M does  at me when I get passionate, about a subject we know and get frustrated about when wrong information is given & makes my toes curl, but hey we're out soon |
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"Time for pics was more acceptable in the old days when pics had to be printed which was time consuming and had a cost attached.Nowadays it costs virtually nothing and takes hardly any time to put them on a disc so Id say ask for pics and payment.
If you want the pics retouching then you can always do it yourself. you should not retouch the images yourself . . . That would be a breach of copyright . . Unless permission is given within a contract . .
If the photos are for the models private use then retouching would be allowed as per the fair dealing rules
Not true as per Just for Laughs.
I'm not sure why you are saying it is not true that the images could be retouched. Are you relying on the fact that s21 of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 prevents infringement by adaptation?
I rely on law and knowledge, not people banding around incorrect information.
If someone had posted re a subject I did not have in depth knowledge of, I'd not have posted.
The copyright holder has the right to be credited for the work, to determine who may adapt the work to other forms, who may financially benefit from it, and other related rights.
It is a form of intellectual property applicable to any expressible form of an idea or information that is substantive and discrete.
Once an idea has been reduced to tangible form, for example by securing it in a fixed medium (such as a drawing, sheet music, photograph, a videotape, or a computer file), the copyright holder is entitled to enforce his or her exclusive rights."
That's what I said |
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By *JyorksMan
over a year ago
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"I agree, I really only wanted sum feedback, so now I know the pics belong to him, thrash out a fair deal n get his permission to use his pics of me lol Yes, the pics belong to him, but HE has to get YOUR permission to use them however he wants - and that's what the Release Form is for. Some unscrupulous photographers (Good heavens There aren't any are there??) put terms into them which are 'less than honest', shall we say.??? If he's got nothing to hide, he shouldn't have any problem in letting you see a copy before the shoot.
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Not entirely true , model release forms are not a legal requirement in the uk . Using one may help a court case if the images are used for something your not happy / agreed with , but at the end of the day the tog can do whatever he wants with them in the uk . A release comes into it's own when trying to distribute to the likes of the USA , or selling to commercial clients . In my 15 years of shooting I have only used releases a couple of times when needed . I always find it best to just agree payment / reward with the model , which is what I advise here £30 an hour is resonable to ask . If he is selling the images you maybe able to push for more , but not an awfull lot . Just ensure your happy with how the images are to be distrobuted and friends / families reactions should they see them . |
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There are a lot of experienced models out there that can't get £30/hr at the minute (S has been doing it for 7 or 8 years and had to drop her rates to £20/hr a long time ago...which isn't really a problem as it's a hobby, not her profession)
The chances of a first-timer getting £30/hr are fairly slim I'd say.
You're entirely correct about MR forms though, mostly a waste of time and often the sign of a photographer that has a far higher opinion of himself than anyone else will ever have ! |
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"There are a lot of experienced models out there that can't get £30/hr at the minute (S has been doing it for 7 or 8 years and had to drop her rates to £20/hr a long time ago...which isn't really a problem as it's a hobby, not her profession)
The chances of a first-timer getting £30/hr are fairly slim I'd say.
You're entirely correct about MR forms though, mostly a waste of time and often the sign of a photographer that has a far higher opinion of himself than anyone else will ever have !"
i was offered 20.00 a hour to pose for my friends portfolio and im not a model.
i was deeply flattered at the thought she thought my photos and i was photogenic.
i am not trained i cant do as im told and im pretty alternative with tattoos piercings and my body is curvy.
and im always being offered work and no not from here x
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"Time for pics was more acceptable in the old days when pics had to be printed which was time consuming and had a cost attached.Nowadays it costs virtually nothing and takes hardly any time to put them on a disc so Id say ask for pics and payment.
If you want the pics retouching then you can always do it yourself. you should not retouch the images yourself . . . That would be a breach of copyright . . Unless permission is given within a contract . .
If the photos are for the models private use then retouching would be allowed as per the fair dealing rules
Not true as per Just for Laughs.
I'm not sure why you are saying it is not true that the images could be retouched. Are you relying on the fact that s21 of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 prevents infringement by adaptation?
I rely on law and knowledge, not people banding around incorrect information.
If someone had posted re a subject I did not have in depth knowledge of, I'd not have posted.
The copyright holder has the right to be credited for the work, to determine who may adapt the work to other forms, who may financially benefit from it, and other related rights.
It is a form of intellectual property applicable to any expressible form of an idea or information that is substantive and discrete.
Once an idea has been reduced to tangible form, for example by securing it in a fixed medium (such as a drawing, sheet music, photograph, a videotape, or a computer file), the copyright holder is entitled to enforce his or her exclusive rights.
That's what I said"
Indeed but why on earth would anyone listen 
I mean, when you want your tax return doing you go to a butcher, right? |
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"There are a lot of experienced models out there that can't get £30/hr at the minute (S has been doing it for 7 or 8 years and had to drop her rates to £20/hr a long time ago...which isn't really a problem as it's a hobby, not her profession)
The chances of a first-timer getting £30/hr are fairly slim I'd say.
You're entirely correct about MR forms though, mostly a waste of time and often the sign of a photographer that has a far higher opinion of himself than anyone else will ever have !
i was offered 20.00 a hour to pose for my friends portfolio and im not a model.
i was deeply flattered at the thought she thought my photos and i was photogenic.
i am not trained i cant do as im told and im pretty alternative with tattoos piercings and my body is curvy.
and im always being offered work and no not from here x
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That's mates and here though, not the nasty eye-scratching scene that makes up the lower rungs of the modelling/photography world x |
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"Time for pics was more acceptable in the old days when pics had to be printed which was time consuming and had a cost attached.Nowadays it costs virtually nothing and takes hardly any time to put them on a disc so Id say ask for pics and payment.
If you want the pics retouching then you can always do it yourself. you should not retouch the images yourself . . . That would be a breach of copyright . . Unless permission is given within a contract . .
If the photos are for the models private use then retouching would be allowed as per the fair dealing rules
Not true as per Just for Laughs.
I'm not sure why you are saying it is not true that the images could be retouched. Are you relying on the fact that s21 of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 prevents infringement by adaptation?
I rely on law and knowledge, not people banding around incorrect information.
If someone had posted re a subject I did not have in depth knowledge of, I'd not have posted.
The copyright holder has the right to be credited for the work, to determine who may adapt the work to other forms, who may financially benefit from it, and other related rights.
It is a form of intellectual property applicable to any expressible form of an idea or information that is substantive and discrete.
Once an idea has been reduced to tangible form, for example by securing it in a fixed medium (such as a drawing, sheet music, photograph, a videotape, or a computer file), the copyright holder is entitled to enforce his or her exclusive rights.
That's what I said
Indeed but why on earth would anyone listen
I mean, when you want your tax return doing you go to a butcher, right?"
I know next to fuck all about the intricacies of Copyright Law, other than when my copyright has been trampled on...then a nice man (or lady, they're allowed to do law too now, apparently) who does, sends a couple of letters for me and it always gets sorted |
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"There are a lot of experienced models out there that can't get £30/hr at the minute (S has been doing it for 7 or 8 years and had to drop her rates to £20/hr a long time ago...which isn't really a problem as it's a hobby, not her profession)
The chances of a first-timer getting £30/hr are fairly slim I'd say.
You're entirely correct about MR forms though, mostly a waste of time and often the sign of a photographer that has a far higher opinion of himself than anyone else will ever have !
i was offered 20.00 a hour to pose for my friends portfolio and im not a model.
i was deeply flattered at the thought she thought my photos and i was photogenic.
i am not trained i cant do as im told and im pretty alternative with tattoos piercings and my body is curvy.
and im always being offered work and no not from here x
That's mates and here though, not the nasty eye-scratching scene that makes up the lower rungs of the modelling/photography world x"
ahh ok x
see my problem is im open to ideas x |
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"There are a lot of experienced models out there that can't get £30/hr at the minute (S has been doing it for 7 or 8 years and had to drop her rates to £20/hr a long time ago...which isn't really a problem as it's a hobby, not her profession)
The chances of a first-timer getting £30/hr are fairly slim I'd say.
You're entirely correct about MR forms though, mostly a waste of time and often the sign of a photographer that has a far higher opinion of himself than anyone else will ever have !
i was offered 20.00 a hour to pose for my friends portfolio and im not a model.
i was deeply flattered at the thought she thought my photos and i was photogenic.
i am not trained i cant do as im told and im pretty alternative with tattoos piercings and my body is curvy.
and im always being offered work and no not from here x
That's mates and here though, not the nasty eye-scratching scene that makes up the lower rungs of the modelling/photography world x
ahh ok x
see my problem is im open to ideas x"
You'll get nowhere with that damn silly attitude x |
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