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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Why should it be any concern to anyone? It was they were born to do! Its is their decision."
Of course it's their decision. They seem to be a very happy family. If, for whatever reason, the father is no longer able to provide for that family and they have to claim more than child benefit so many on here would be outraged that "we" are paying for so many children.
As long as they are able to fend for themselves all is fine, many will say. If that changes they become the feckless, undeserving scroungers. It's a fine line.
It is unusual to see such large families these days and was interesting to watch. |
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"Why should it be any concern to anyone? It was they were born to do! Its is their decision.
Of course it's their decision. They seem to be a very happy family. If, for whatever reason, the father is no longer able to provide for that family and they have to claim more than child benefit so many on here would be outraged that "we" are paying for so many children.
As long as they are able to fend for themselves all is fine, many will say. If that changes they become the feckless, undeserving scroungers. It's a fine line.
It is unusual to see such large families these days and was interesting to watch."
Wait till universal credits kicks in... the cap you can claim on benefits it £26,000 a year.... |
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"Why should it be any concern to anyone? It was they were born to do! Its is their decision.
Of course it's their decision. They seem to be a very happy family. If, for whatever reason, the father is no longer able to provide for that family and they have to claim more than child benefit so many on here would be outraged that "we" are paying for so many children.
As long as they are able to fend for themselves all is fine, many will say. If that changes they become the feckless, undeserving scroungers. It's a fine line.
It is unusual to see such large families these days and was interesting to watch."
You need to get out more. Why should a programme on family life be of national interest? That is of course you are on the benefits band wagon? Of far more interest was the plight of Lara the polar bear and her cub Mickey and the fact that the polar ice caps are being interferred with! Really 16 kids who really cares........? |
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"Why should it be any concern to anyone? It was they were born to do! Its is their decision.
Of course it's their decision. They seem to be a very happy family. If, for whatever reason, the father is no longer able to provide for that family and they have to claim more than child benefit so many on here would be outraged that "we" are paying for so many children.
As long as they are able to fend for themselves all is fine, many will say. If that changes they become the feckless, undeserving scroungers. It's a fine line.
It is unusual to see such large families these days and was interesting to watch.
Wait till universal credits kicks in... the cap you can claim on benefits it £26,000 a year.... "
They're not on benefits. They have their own bakery business. |
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No one said they were on benefits apart from the same child benefit that everyone got until the recent changes did they?
I thought they did a remarkable job!
But it still must cost a fortune to support a family that size. £5k for a family holiday for one week a year!
It was very interesting, best of luck to them. |
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"No one said they were on benefits apart from the same child benefit that everyone got until the recent changes did they?
I thought they did a remarkable job!
But it still must cost a fortune to support a family that size. £5k for a family holiday for one week a year!
It was very interesting, best of luck to them."
Precisely! |
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"Why should it be any concern to anyone? It was they were born to do! Its is their decision.
Of course it's their decision. They seem to be a very happy family. If, for whatever reason, the father is no longer able to provide for that family and they have to claim more than child benefit so many on here would be outraged that "we" are paying for so many children.
As long as they are able to fend for themselves all is fine, many will say. If that changes they become the feckless, undeserving scroungers. It's a fine line.
It is unusual to see such large families these days and was interesting to watch.
Wait till universal credits kicks in... the cap you can claim on benefits it £26,000 a year....
They're not on benefits. They have their own bakery business. "
Ohhh ok my bad... I not watched it.. |I take back what I said... |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Why should it be any concern to anyone? It was they were born to do! Its is their decision.
Of course it's their decision. They seem to be a very happy family. If, for whatever reason, the father is no longer able to provide for that family and they have to claim more than child benefit so many on here would be outraged that "we" are paying for so many children.
As long as they are able to fend for themselves all is fine, many will say. If that changes they become the feckless, undeserving scroungers. It's a fine line.
It is unusual to see such large families these days and was interesting to watch.You need to get out more. Why should a programme on family life be of national interest? That is of course you are on the benefits band wagon? Of far more interest was the plight of Lara the polar bear and her cub Mickey and the fact that the polar ice caps are being interferred with! Really 16 kids who really cares........?"
Where I live it isn't that unusual to see very large families - 14 children is considered a blessing. Lots of things interest me and I care about a lot of things too. Including the polar ice caps melting and making it harder for Polar Bears to get food. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Not watched it but I'd be worried from a medical sense the toll on her body."
She's breezed through all 16 pregnancies. She delivered them all naturally and she looks in good health, is bright and vibrant and seems to have the energy of Superman lol |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Not watched it but I'd be worried from a medical sense the toll on her body.
She's breezed through all 16 pregnancies. She delivered them all naturally and she looks in good health, is bright and vibrant and seems to have the energy of Superman lol "
Good on her and both of them, my idea of hell but each to their own  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Siren and I watched the prog and Siren commented that they must have bought their house outright as they were running this huge family on the £30k a year he gets from the family business and £150/week in child benefit (their weekly food bill is £250). |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Why should it be any concern to anyone? It was they were born to do! Its is their decision.
Of course it's their decision. They seem to be a very happy family. If, for whatever reason, the father is no longer able to provide for that family and they have to claim more than child benefit so many on here would be outraged that "we" are paying for so many children.
As long as they are able to fend for themselves all is fine, many will say. If that changes they become the feckless, undeserving scroungers. It's a fine line.
It is unusual to see such large families these days and was interesting to watch.You need to get out more. Why should a programme on family life be of national interest? That is of course you are on the benefits band wagon? Of far more interest was the plight of Lara the polar bear and her cub Mickey and the fact that the polar ice caps are being interferred with! Really 16 kids who really cares........?
Where I live it isn't that unusual to see very large families - 14 children is considered a blessing. Lots of things interest me and I care about a lot of things too. Including the polar ice caps melting and making it harder for Polar Bears to get food."
It would seem that these people (the parents) are normal hardworking people who want a large family. Its of no consequence or business of anyone what they want to do as long as its legal. I have not watched the programme as its typical of todays society..mogadon for the masses, lets round on someone who maybe a little different. The French have just committed troops to Mali..............that will cost more in lives and money but its not a benefit theme so of no interest to the UK dulled masses! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Siren and I watched the prog and Siren commented that they must have bought their house outright as they were running this huge family on the £30k a year he gets from the family business and £150/week in child benefit (their weekly food bill is £250)."
But who cares............? Are the kids well looked after?
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By (user no longer on site)
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I can believe how patient they are with them, I think to have that many children is going abit far but there again some might say its unfair to have a single child. What I was impressed with is how they provide for their own family and didnt force the older ones to keep an eye out for the little ones. Good luck to them and im glad I dont live next door  |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"Siren and I watched the prog and Siren commented that they must have bought their house outright as they were running this huge family on the £30k a year he gets from the family business and £150/week in child benefit (their weekly food bill is £250)."
They bought their ex- council house under right to buy legislation. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"Siren and I watched the prog and Siren commented that they must have bought their house outright as they were running this huge family on the £30k a year he gets from the family business and £150/week in child benefit (their weekly food bill is £250)."
I couldn't work out how they had bought such a large house. She had the first baby when she was 14 and they have had them regularly since. Yet, they do appear to be super-human and just make everything happen. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Not watched it but I'd be worried from a medical sense the toll on her body.
She's breezed through all 16 pregnancies. She delivered them all naturally and she looks in good health, is bright and vibrant and seems to have the energy of Superman lol "
Last child I had they treated me as if I was a huge risk. And that was after 6. I loved being pregnant. If I could afford more I would have more. Good luck to them. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"I can believe how patient they are with them, I think to have that many children is going abit far but there again some might say its unfair to have a single child. What I was impressed with is how they provide for their own family and didnt force the older ones to keep an eye out for the little ones. Good luck to them and im glad I dont live next door "
I liked the fact that the olders ones weren't used as additional parents. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"How old was the eldest?"
I'm not sure. The oldest daughter, who also had a baby as part of the programme, was 18. But the mother said she was first pregnant at 14 which would make the oldest child 22. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"How old was the eldest?
I'm not sure. The oldest daughter, who also had a baby as part of the programme, was 18. But the mother said she was first pregnant at 14 which would make the oldest child 22."
14? Is that legal? |
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"How old was the eldest?
I'm not sure. The oldest daughter, who also had a baby as part of the programme, was 18. But the mother said she was first pregnant at 14 which would make the oldest child 22.
14? Is that legal?"
Plenty of people do. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"How old was the eldest?
I'm not sure. The oldest daughter, who also had a baby as part of the programme, was 18. But the mother said she was first pregnant at 14 which would make the oldest child 22.
14? Is that legal?
Plenty of people do. "
I don't doubt it but isn't that pretty much what we've been slagging Savile about these last few months? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How old was the eldest?
I'm not sure. The oldest daughter, who also had a baby as part of the programme, was 18. But the mother said she was first pregnant at 14 which would make the oldest child 22.
14? Is that legal?
Plenty of people do.
I don't doubt it but isn't that pretty much what we've been slagging Savile about these last few months?"
The mum was 14 and the dad was 16 when the first was born. They are both adopted children and their adoptive parents didn't try to separate them. |
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"How old was the eldest?
I'm not sure. The oldest daughter, who also had a baby as part of the programme, was 18. But the mother said she was first pregnant at 14 which would make the oldest child 22.
14? Is that legal?
Plenty of people do.
I don't doubt it but isn't that pretty much what we've been slagging Savile about these last few months?"
No comparison, this is a loving family who have been together for many years, how old was the father, my guess 16 ish, completely different from a child abuser  |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Siren and I watched the prog and Siren commented that they must have bought their house outright as they were running this huge family on the £30k a year he gets from the family business and £150/week in child benefit (their weekly food bill is £250).
But who cares............? Are the kids well looked after?"
You don't, obviously, but plenty of people have been impressed by these two people and yes, the children are very well looked after, very happy and healthy. |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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The moment we start to compare 2 young people in love having sex (albeit underage) with a predatory older man luring and abusing children, it is truly a sad day.
They are a family, their bond is a joy and no one has the need to knock them down by making the link... |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"It is illegal but most are never charged. Even less so 20 or so years ago. "
As Wishy has confirmed the fathers age at my guess even now he would not be charged as he himself was still a child.
Unless rape was committed and proved. |
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"The moment we start to compare 2 young people in love having sex (albeit underage) with a predatory older man luring and abusing children, it is truly a sad day.
They are a family, their bond is a joy and no one has the need to knock them down by making the link..."
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The moment we start to compare 2 young people in love having sex (albeit underage) with a predatory older man luring and abusing children, it is truly a sad day.
They are a family, their bond is a joy and no one has the need to knock them down by making the link..."
Well said. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"The moment we start to compare 2 young people in love having sex (albeit underage) with a predatory older man luring and abusing children, it is truly a sad day.
They are a family, their bond is a joy and no one has the need to knock them down by making the link..."
The moment we start to condone under-age sex 'cos we think it's turned out in a way we approve of we undermine a basic tenet of child protection. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The moment we start to compare 2 young people in love having sex (albeit underage) with a predatory older man luring and abusing children, it is truly a sad day.
They are a family, their bond is a joy and no one has the need to knock them down by making the link...
The moment we start to condone under-age sex 'cos we think it's turned out in a way we approve of we undermine a basic tenet of child protection."
They were both children when their first was born! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The moment we start to compare 2 young people in love having sex (albeit underage) with a predatory older man luring and abusing children, it is truly a sad day.
They are a family, their bond is a joy and no one has the need to knock them down by making the link...
The moment we start to condone under-age sex 'cos we think it's turned out in a way we approve of we undermine a basic tenet of child protection."
If you're talking about morality here, it is defined by one's latitude and one's longitude compounded by the date.
300 years ago in this country people married at 14, now, 300 years later it is called underage sex/paedophilia, yet in other parts of the world today this practice still happens regularly. Is it immoral?
I'd say preying on children for purely sexual purposes is immoral, but two teenagers exploring their budding sexualities and making the mistake of not protecting themselves against pregnancy is not immoral at all. |
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"The moment we start to compare 2 young people in love having sex (albeit underage) with a predatory older man luring and abusing children, it is truly a sad day.
They are a family, their bond is a joy and no one has the need to knock them down by making the link..."
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"The moment we start to compare 2 young people in love having sex (albeit underage) with a predatory older man luring and abusing children, it is truly a sad day.
They are a family, their bond is a joy and no one has the need to knock them down by making the link...
The moment we start to condone under-age sex 'cos we think it's turned out in a way we approve of we undermine a basic tenet of child protection.
They were both children when their first was born!"
That makes it OK? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"How has this thread gone from 16 kids and counting to saying there was some sort of sorid sex going on....  "
Threads rarely stay on topic as we're a diverse bunch of people with a lot to say. It'll return to topic eventually. |
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"How has this thread gone from 16 kids and counting to saying there was some sort of sorid sex going on....
Threads rarely stay on topic as we're a diverse bunch of people with a lot to say. It'll return to topic eventually. "
I know wishywoo.... |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"How has this thread gone from 16 kids and counting to saying there was some sort of sorid sex going on.... "
Nobody, as far as I can see, said sordid. What I said was 'is that legal'.
Sordid is a matter of opinion. Legal is a matter of fact. |
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"How has this thread gone from 16 kids and counting to saying there was some sort of sorid sex going on....
Threads rarely stay on topic as we're a diverse bunch of people with a lot to say. It'll return to topic eventually.
I know wishywoo.... "
You know that using the term 'wishywoo' is code for 'come and fuck my brains out'... you do know that don't you?  |
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It was a really interesting documentary, I enjoyed it. They seemed a well adjusted family with a strong network.
However I did get the feeling that its the constant need for a newborn that is the driving factor in this and that could become an issue in the future |
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"How has this thread gone from 16 kids and counting to saying there was some sort of sorid sex going on....
Nobody, as far as I can see, said sordid. What I said was 'is that legal'.
Sordid is a matter of opinion. Legal is a matter of fact."
Ok I am going to smack my hand for my spelling error.... |
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"It was a really interesting documentary, I enjoyed it. They seemed a well adjusted family with a strong network.
However I did get the feeling that its the constant need for a newborn that is the driving factor in this and that could become an issue in the future "
The kids were betting on when mum would stop having anymore. They settled on 20. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"How has this thread gone from 16 kids and counting to saying there was some sort of sorid sex going on....
Nobody, as far as I can see, said sordid. What I said was 'is that legal'.
Sordid is a matter of opinion. Legal is a matter of fact.
Ok I am going to smack my hand for my spelling error.... "
 I didn't notice the spelling. |
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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago
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"It was a really interesting documentary, I enjoyed it. They seemed a well adjusted family with a strong network.
However I did get the feeling that its the constant need for a newborn that is the driving factor in this and that could become an issue in the future
The kids were betting on when mum would stop having anymore. They settled on 20. "
That was the one bit that made me feel a little sad. One of the children said that they know they will always be replaced by another baby but he also added that they would still be their parents' children. |
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"How has this thread gone from 16 kids and counting to saying there was some sort of sorid sex going on....
Nobody, as far as I can see, said sordid. What I said was 'is that legal'.
Sordid is a matter of opinion. Legal is a matter of fact."
According to British Law then no it wasn't legal.
However a 14 year old girl and a 16 year old boy has no similarities to the likes of Jimmy Saville. A much older child abuser and very much a sexual preditor.
Really can't see the point in persecuting a 16 year old boy for making a mistake. Surely much better teaching him to deal with it and live with it as this couple have proved admirably can be done.
I found it interesting particularly because this program did not go on about benefit and how they have chosen to do it on their own.
I must admit there are some irregularities that don't seem to add up on the financial side of things but I think the program would have had to say if it was additional benefits.
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"It was a really interesting documentary, I enjoyed it. They seemed a well adjusted family with a strong network.
However I did get the feeling that its the constant need for a newborn that is the driving factor in this and that could become an issue in the future
The kids were betting on when mum would stop having anymore. They settled on 20. "
Yeah I know and I think that's what made it a little uncomfortable for me. It seemed to have become a game of 'how many kids can mum have' rather than a discussion between the father and mother over whether an addition to their family would be beneficial to them as a family and on the effect constant pregnancies and newborns will have on other children.
The parents didn't have any other interests apart from the children and they didn't go out and be in an adult world, just always surrounded by children. There just didn't seem to be a balance |
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Wow, they are back on TV.
The last time i saw and read about the family, the eldest daughter had fallen pregnant.
Im pretty dam impressed. Its a lesson to us all in all sorts of parenting and financial skills.
I want a big family and always wondered if its feasable. Clearly it can be! |
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"It was a really interesting documentary, I enjoyed it. They seemed a well adjusted family with a strong network.
However I did get the feeling that its the constant need for a newborn that is the driving factor in this and that could become an issue in the future
The kids were betting on when mum would stop having anymore. They settled on 20.
Yeah I know and I think that's what made it a little uncomfortable for me. It seemed to have become a game of 'how many kids can mum have' rather than a discussion between the father and mother over whether an addition to their family would be beneficial to them as a family and on the effect constant pregnancies and newborns will have on other children.
The parents didn't have any other interests apart from the children and they didn't go out and be in an adult world, just always surrounded by children. There just didn't seem to be a balance "
Not shown on TV there didn't seem to be, but I suspect much is said between all of them when the cameras aren't there. They all waited by the phone for news of the new arrivals so clearly they're all involved and aware of what's happening. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"...........Really can't see the point in persecuting a 16 year old boy for making a mistake. Surely much better teaching him to deal with it and live with it as this couple have proved admirably can be done.
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Perhaps you can define the circumstances under which prosecuting (not persecuting) someone who has sex with under-age girls should be OK. |
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"...........Really can't see the point in persecuting a 16 year old boy for making a mistake. Surely much better teaching him to deal with it and live with it as this couple have proved admirably can be done.
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Perhaps you can define the circumstances under which prosecuting (not persecuting) someone who has sex with under-age girls should be OK."
Sure. When there is very little difference in age, they appear to be deeply in love and there is a chance they can go on to have a loving relationship and bring up a well rounded family I think it is better to help them and teach them than to prosecute a child for underage sex.
I believe persecuting that same man later on is pointless to because he has already proved my arguement or do you believe he should now be prosecuted? |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"...........Really can't see the point in persecuting a 16 year old boy for making a mistake. Surely much better teaching him to deal with it and live with it as this couple have proved admirably can be done.
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Perhaps you can define the circumstances under which prosecuting (not persecuting) someone who has sex with under-age girls should be OK.
Sure. When there is very little difference in age, they appear to be deeply in love and there is a chance they can go on to have a loving relationship and bring up a well rounded family I think it is better to help them and teach them than to prosecute a child for underage sex.
I believe persecuting that same man later on is pointless to because he has already proved my arguement or do you believe he should now be prosecuted?"
Not now (a bit like Savile). Then.
I don't even insist he should have been convicted - just tried. |
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Say the said fourteen year old was your daughter, the boyfriend seems like a good kid, although two years older. You don't know they have been sexually active until you find out she's pregnant. Would you want to prosecute him, the boy your daughter is in love with and father of your grandchild? |
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"...........Really can't see the point in persecuting a 16 year old boy for making a mistake. Surely much better teaching him to deal with it and live with it as this couple have proved admirably can be done.
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Perhaps you can define the circumstances under which prosecuting (not persecuting) someone who has sex with under-age girls should be OK."
The police only prosecute when it's "in the public's interest", i.e. not a big waste of taxpayers money-I hazard a guess that quite a few on here would complain about wasting the public purse too  get off your soap box now |
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The would be no prosecution if sexual activity took place between a 16 year old boy and a 14 year old girl if it was mutual as stated in the sexual offences act (2003) which states
"Although the age of consent remains at 16, it is not intended that the law should be used to prosecute mutually agreed teenage sexual activity between two young people of a similar age, unless it involves abuse or exploitation"
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