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"Can you just be friends on fab and engage on a non sexual basis ? What’s been your experience?" Yes of course. I have male and female friends | |||
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"Can you just be friends on fab and engage on a non sexual basis ? What’s been your experience?" Define 'friends'? Do you mean virtual? Like an online pen pal? Or someone you actually meet physically but never get jiggy with? Both are possible. There are people on here I've known over a decade, met in person, some I've even seen naked, but never physically interacted with. There are others on our 'friends' list that we've not met (yet) but hope to, even if just for a social drink and chat. We don't look to add dozens to our friends list though. It's a pretty exclusive list and that won't ever change. This isn't Facey where some add all and sundry, friends of friends and people whose pictures of their pets look interesting. A | |||
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"Can you just be friends on fab and engage on a non sexual basis ? What’s been your experience?" My experience of that is very much so you can. And I embrace it. The friend zone is a great place. Although a bit of flirty fun helps.  | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. " Just on fab or in outside life too? | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. Just on fab or in outside life too?" Both! the only way to escape friendzone is to not accept it in the first place. You will very rarely get out much better being direct in what you want. As Donald Trump would say the strongest negotiating position is being able to walk away from a deal and mean it. | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. Just on fab or in outside life too? Both! the only way to escape friendzone is to not accept it in the first place. You will very rarely get out much better being direct in what you want. As Donald Trump would say the strongest negotiating position is being able to walk away from a deal and mean it. " I understand exactly what you're saying, unfortunately | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. " You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. " I don’t agree with the. Probably the reason I’ve got loads of friends. | |||
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"Can you just be friends on fab and engage on a non sexual basis ? What’s been your experience?" For some yes. For some no. I have friends on here where there is no sexual interest. We just get on really well | |||
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"Can you just be friends on fab and engage on a non sexual basis ? What’s been your experience? My experience of that is very much so you can. And I embrace it. The friend zone is a great place. Although a bit of flirty fun helps. "This ^ | |||
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"Can you just be friends on fab and engage on a non sexual basis ? What’s been your experience?" Yes definitely I've met some great people on fab that I have zero interest in having sex with, we are just friends. Mrs | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A" It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. " You see no gain from being a woman's friend? | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. " You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You see no gain from being a woman's friend? " No, not if I was interested in them sexually. What are the benefits too it? Please enlighten me. | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A" Nope, please enlighten me too then? | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You see no gain from being a woman's friend? No, not if I was interested in them sexually. What are the benefits too it? Please enlighten me. " You surely don't need enlightening on the benefits of friendship. If you're unable to be just friends with someone you're sexually attracted to that's fine though and probably best for both parties | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then?" The same benefits you'd have with people you don't think you'd like to fuck. So basically you're saying that you can only become friends with someone you find unattractive and would never dream of sleeping with. Jeez - that must seriously hamper getting to know people. 
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"I chat on here and non sexual .I have no plans meeting on here .Used too years ago when I was on .Feel that I did what I wanted and completed all my kinks ." This for me also | |||
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"So basically you're saying that you can only become friends with someone you find unattractive and would never dream of sleeping with. Jeez - that must seriously hamper getting to know people.
A"Well duh! It makes me appear as the more attractive one in comparison. Can't have good looking friends. Or a reminder that I'm not attractive enough for somebody else. That shit won't be stroking my ego. | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. "  | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You see no gain from being a woman's friend? No, not if I was interested in them sexually. What are the benefits too it? Please enlighten me. You surely don't need enlightening on the benefits of friendship. If you're unable to be just friends with someone you're sexually attracted to that's fine though and probably best for both parties" The only women friends I have are already married or in relationships and aren't swingers. If they became available I would try it on too. Women who friendzone guys it is just a polite rejection, you would not be a priority, they are not gonna help you out or want to spend much time with you. They might expect you to do things for them though. They just might want your attention now and again that's all. | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then?" I think you might be being misinterpreted. Do you mean on here? So if you really fancy someone and they don’t fancy you there’s no point being friends? If that’s what you mean then yeah I totally get it. I wouldn’t see the point either. | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? The same benefits you'd have with people you don't think you'd like to fuck. So basically you're saying that you can only become friends with someone you find unattractive and would never dream of sleeping with. Jeez - that must seriously hamper getting to know people.
A"That is false friendship though built on something that both parties aren't really happy with. I only have male friends and I'm not bi so not intention of sleeping with them. A woman who friendzones you is not gonna want to spend much time with you. With my friends we do fun activities, what an I going to do with a woman who friendzone me? Go for a drink and she tells me all about all her latest meets etc? You wouldn't want to hear that. | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? I think you might be being misinterpreted. Do you mean on here? So if you really fancy someone and they don’t fancy you there’s no point being friends? If that’s what you mean then yeah I totally get it. I wouldn’t see the point either. " I asked that earlier it's here and off fab too. | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? The same benefits you'd have with people you don't think you'd like to fuck. So basically you're saying that you can only become friends with someone you find unattractive and would never dream of sleeping with. Jeez - that must seriously hamper getting to know people.
A That is false friendship though built on something that both parties aren't really happy with.
I only have male friends and I'm not bi so not intention of sleeping with them.
A woman who friendzones you is not gonna want to spend much time with you.
With my friends we do fun activities, what an I going to do with a woman who friendzone me?
Go for a drink and she tells me all about all her latest meets etc?
You wouldn't want to hear that. "Yeah you're best sticking to your guy friends | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? I think you might be being misinterpreted. Do you mean on here? So if you really fancy someone and they don’t fancy you there’s no point being friends? If that’s what you mean then yeah I totally get it. I wouldn’t see the point either. I asked that earlier it's here and off fab too." Ooops. I promise I will start to threads before I comment | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? I think you might be being misinterpreted. Do you mean on here? So if you really fancy someone and they don’t fancy you there’s no point being friends? If that’s what you mean then yeah I totally get it. I wouldn’t see the point either. " yeah exactly. Either on here or in the real world, if you met with the intention of something sexual, I don't know how you can be truly happy to accept their platonic friendship offer. | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? The same benefits you'd have with people you don't think you'd like to fuck. So basically you're saying that you can only become friends with someone you find unattractive and would never dream of sleeping with. Jeez - that must seriously hamper getting to know people.
A That is false friendship though built on something that both parties aren't really happy with.
I only have male friends and I'm not bi so not intention of sleeping with them.
A woman who friendzones you is not gonna want to spend much time with you.
With my friends we do fun activities, what an I going to do with a woman who friendzone me?
Go for a drink and she tells me all about all her latest meets etc?
You wouldn't want to hear that. "With my friends I do fun activities and I value them as people. I just don't fuck them. | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? I think you might be being misinterpreted. Do you mean on here? So if you really fancy someone and they don’t fancy you there’s no point being friends? If that’s what you mean then yeah I totally get it. I wouldn’t see the point either. yeah exactly. Either on here or in the real world, if you met with the intention of something sexual, I don't know how you can be truly happy to accept their platonic friendship offer. " I think your language isn't helping. Talking about 'live leads' makes me uncomfortable | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? I think you might be being misinterpreted. Do you mean on here? So if you really fancy someone and they don’t fancy you there’s no point being friends? If that’s what you mean then yeah I totally get it. I wouldn’t see the point either. yeah exactly. Either on here or in the real world, if you met with the intention of something sexual, I don't know how you can be truly happy to accept their platonic friendship offer. " Not sure. I think I’m on the fence with it. I’ve met people from here with the intention of meeting again but it’s not happened and we’ve remained friends. If I’d really wanted it to go further though and they didn’t or vice versa I don’t think just being friends would work. For me anyway. | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? The same benefits you'd have with people you don't think you'd like to fuck. So basically you're saying that you can only become friends with someone you find unattractive and would never dream of sleeping with. Jeez - that must seriously hamper getting to know people.
A That is false friendship though built on something that both parties aren't really happy with.
I only have male friends and I'm not bi so not intention of sleeping with them.
A woman who friendzones you is not gonna want to spend much time with you.
With my friends we do fun activities, what an I going to do with a woman who friendzone me?
Go for a drink and she tells me all about all her latest meets etc?
You wouldn't want to hear that.
With my friends I do fun activities and I value them as people.
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? The same benefits you'd have with people you don't think you'd like to fuck. So basically you're saying that you can only become friends with someone you find unattractive and would never dream of sleeping with. Jeez - that must seriously hamper getting to know people.
A That is false friendship though built on something that both parties aren't really happy with.
I only have male friends and I'm not bi so not intention of sleeping with them.
A woman who friendzones you is not gonna want to spend much time with you.
With my friends we do fun activities, what an I going to do with a woman who friendzone me?
Go for a drink and she tells me all about all her latest meets etc?
You wouldn't want to hear that.
With my friends I do fun activities and I value them as people.
I just don't fuck them. With guys you met off here, who you originally intended on playing with but then you didn't want to?"With some people on here who we agreed (because of me, them, or both) that sex was a bad idea. We're more important to each other than a bit of disappointment. | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? I think you might be being misinterpreted. Do you mean on here? So if you really fancy someone and they don’t fancy you there’s no point being friends? If that’s what you mean then yeah I totally get it. I wouldn’t see the point either. yeah exactly. Either on here or in the real world, if you met with the intention of something sexual, I don't know how you can be truly happy to accept their platonic friendship offer. I think your language isn't helping. Talking about 'live leads' makes me uncomfortable" Maybe so but you know what I mean. Most people on here are looking for something sexual. They're not really looking to make platonic friends with the people they meet. | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? The same benefits you'd have with people you don't think you'd like to fuck. So basically you're saying that you can only become friends with someone you find unattractive and would never dream of sleeping with. Jeez - that must seriously hamper getting to know people.
A That is false friendship though built on something that both parties aren't really happy with.
I only have male friends and I'm not bi so not intention of sleeping with them.
A woman who friendzones you is not gonna want to spend much time with you.
With my friends we do fun activities, what an I going to do with a woman who friendzone me?
Go for a drink and she tells me all about all her latest meets etc?
You wouldn't want to hear that.
Yeah you're best sticking to your guy friends "I agree. Much better for the women concerned. I mean.....if they don't want to fuck you what possible use to you are they?
This attitude really grates me I'm afraid and is a massive red flag and perfect example of toxic masculinity - although I'll no doubt be shouted down by the usual suspects for daring to speak out against fellow males.
If you can't be friends with someone of the opposite gender because they don't want to fuck you then heaven help any woman that dares to potentially open up to you and show initial interest. Most people want some level of friendship before fucking someone, unless it's purely a casual one off on here, in which case you're pretty much fucked for ever finding a relationship.
But hey. If that's what you want then that's your choice.
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? The same benefits you'd have with people you don't think you'd like to fuck. So basically you're saying that you can only become friends with someone you find unattractive and would never dream of sleeping with. Jeez - that must seriously hamper getting to know people.
A That is false friendship though built on something that both parties aren't really happy with.
I only have male friends and I'm not bi so not intention of sleeping with them.
A woman who friendzones you is not gonna want to spend much time with you.
With my friends we do fun activities, what an I going to do with a woman who friendzone me?
Go for a drink and she tells me all about all her latest meets etc?
You wouldn't want to hear that.
Yeah you're best sticking to your guy friends
I agree. Much better for the women concerned.
I mean.....if they don't want to fuck you what possible use to you are they?
This attitude really grates me I'm afraid and is a massive red flag and perfect example of toxic masculinity - although I'll no doubt be shouted down by the usual suspects for daring to speak out against fellow males.
If you can't be friends with someone of the opposite gender because they don't want to fuck you then heaven help any woman that dares to potentially open up to you and show initial interest. Most people want some level of friendship before fucking someone, unless it's purely a casual one off on here, in which case you're pretty much fucked for ever finding a relationship.
But hey. If that's what you want then that's your choice.
A"Yeah, I want to like the people I fuck. Hell, there are some people who I have fucked a couple of times - but it hasn't happened for a long time because circumstances work against us. We talk regularly - because we're also friends. (and we don't talk mostly or even a significant minority about sex!) | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? I think you might be being misinterpreted. Do you mean on here? So if you really fancy someone and they don’t fancy you there’s no point being friends? If that’s what you mean then yeah I totally get it. I wouldn’t see the point either. yeah exactly. Either on here or in the real world, if you met with the intention of something sexual, I don't know how you can be truly happy to accept their platonic friendship offer. I think your language isn't helping. Talking about 'live leads' makes me uncomfortable Maybe so but you know what I mean. Most people on here are looking for something sexual. They're not really looking to make platonic friends with the people they meet. " True but you applied it to off fab too. How do you manage at work etc? | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? I think you might be being misinterpreted. Do you mean on here? So if you really fancy someone and they don’t fancy you there’s no point being friends? If that’s what you mean then yeah I totally get it. I wouldn’t see the point either. yeah exactly. Either on here or in the real world, if you met with the intention of something sexual, I don't know how you can be truly happy to accept their platonic friendship offer. I think your language isn't helping. Talking about 'live leads' makes me uncomfortable Maybe so but you know what I mean. Most people on here are looking for something sexual. They're not really looking to make platonic friends with the people they meet. True but you applied it to off fab too. How do you manage at work etc? " I work with men mostly in corrections. If there is a woman I like who is available I make it known. If no interest, I'll keep my distance. | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? The same benefits you'd have with people you don't think you'd like to fuck. So basically you're saying that you can only become friends with someone you find unattractive and would never dream of sleeping with. Jeez - that must seriously hamper getting to know people.
A That is false friendship though built on something that both parties aren't really happy with.
I only have male friends and I'm not bi so not intention of sleeping with them.
A woman who friendzones you is not gonna want to spend much time with you.
With my friends we do fun activities, what an I going to do with a woman who friendzone me?
Go for a drink and she tells me all about all her latest meets etc?
You wouldn't want to hear that.
Yeah you're best sticking to your guy friends
I agree. Much better for the women concerned.
I mean.....if they don't want to fuck you what possible use to you are they?
This attitude really grates me I'm afraid and is a massive red flag and perfect example of toxic masculinity - although I'll no doubt be shouted down by the usual suspects for daring to speak out against fellow males.
If you can't be friends with someone of the opposite gender because they don't want to fuck you then heaven help any woman that dares to potentially open up to you and show initial interest. Most people want some level of friendship before fucking someone, unless it's purely a casual one off on here, in which case you're pretty much fucked for ever finding a relationship.
But hey. If that's what you want then that's your choice.
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? The same benefits you'd have with people you don't think you'd like to fuck. So basically you're saying that you can only become friends with someone you find unattractive and would never dream of sleeping with. Jeez - that must seriously hamper getting to know people.
A That is false friendship though built on something that both parties aren't really happy with.
I only have male friends and I'm not bi so not intention of sleeping with them.
A woman who friendzones you is not gonna want to spend much time with you.
With my friends we do fun activities, what an I going to do with a woman who friendzone me?
Go for a drink and she tells me all about all her latest meets etc?
You wouldn't want to hear that.
Yeah you're best sticking to your guy friends
I agree. Much better for the women concerned.
I mean.....if they don't want to fuck you what possible use to you are they?
This attitude really grates me I'm afraid and is a massive red flag and perfect example of toxic masculinity - although I'll no doubt be shouted down by the usual suspects for daring to speak out against fellow males.
If you can't be friends with someone of the opposite gender because they don't want to fuck you then heaven help any woman that dares to potentially open up to you and show initial interest. Most people want some level of friendship before fucking someone, unless it's purely a casual one off on here, in which case you're pretty much fucked for ever finding a relationship.
But hey. If that's what you want then that's your choice.
A You didn't elaborate on the benefits of it?
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? The same benefits you'd have with people you don't think you'd like to fuck. So basically you're saying that you can only become friends with someone you find unattractive and would never dream of sleeping with. Jeez - that must seriously hamper getting to know people.
A That is false friendship though built on something that both parties aren't really happy with.
I only have male friends and I'm not bi so not intention of sleeping with them.
A woman who friendzones you is not gonna want to spend much time with you.
With my friends we do fun activities, what an I going to do with a woman who friendzone me?
Go for a drink and she tells me all about all her latest meets etc?
You wouldn't want to hear that.
Yeah you're best sticking to your guy friends
I agree. Much better for the women concerned.
I mean.....if they don't want to fuck you what possible use to you are they?
This attitude really grates me I'm afraid and is a massive red flag and perfect example of toxic masculinity - although I'll no doubt be shouted down by the usual suspects for daring to speak out against fellow males.
If you can't be friends with someone of the opposite gender because they don't want to fuck you then heaven help any woman that dares to potentially open up to you and show initial interest. Most people want some level of friendship before fucking someone, unless it's purely a casual one off on here, in which case you're pretty much fucked for ever finding a relationship.
But hey. If that's what you want then that's your choice.
A You didn't elaborate on the benefits of it?
Still yet to see any of any value.
You don't understand the benefits of friendship? "Not with women who I'm attracted to, who aren't gonna make me any kind of priority. It is not a real friendship in my opinion. | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? I think you might be being misinterpreted. Do you mean on here? So if you really fancy someone and they don’t fancy you there’s no point being friends? If that’s what you mean then yeah I totally get it. I wouldn’t see the point either. yeah exactly. Either on here or in the real world, if you met with the intention of something sexual, I don't know how you can be truly happy to accept their platonic friendship offer. I think your language isn't helping. Talking about 'live leads' makes me uncomfortable Maybe so but you know what I mean. Most people on here are looking for something sexual. They're not really looking to make platonic friends with the people they meet. True but you applied it to off fab too. How do you manage at work etc? I work with men mostly in corrections. If there is a woman I like who is available I make it known. If no interest, I'll keep my distance. " Ok, well best of luck, you're not alone in the way you think. | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? The same benefits you'd have with people you don't think you'd like to fuck. So basically you're saying that you can only become friends with someone you find unattractive and would never dream of sleeping with. Jeez - that must seriously hamper getting to know people.
A That is false friendship though built on something that both parties aren't really happy with.
I only have male friends and I'm not bi so not intention of sleeping with them.
A woman who friendzones you is not gonna want to spend much time with you.
With my friends we do fun activities, what an I going to do with a woman who friendzone me?
Go for a drink and she tells me all about all her latest meets etc?
You wouldn't want to hear that.
Yeah you're best sticking to your guy friends
I agree. Much better for the women concerned.
I mean.....if they don't want to fuck you what possible use to you are they?
This attitude really grates me I'm afraid and is a massive red flag and perfect example of toxic masculinity - although I'll no doubt be shouted down by the usual suspects for daring to speak out against fellow males.
If you can't be friends with someone of the opposite gender because they don't want to fuck you then heaven help any woman that dares to potentially open up to you and show initial interest. Most people want some level of friendship before fucking someone, unless it's purely a casual one off on here, in which case you're pretty much fucked for ever finding a relationship.
But hey. If that's what you want then that's your choice.
A You didn't elaborate on the benefits of it?
Still yet to see any of any value.
You don't understand the benefits of friendship? Not with women who I'm attracted to, who aren't gonna make me any kind of priority.
It is not a real friendship in my opinion. "I make my friends a priority. Unless by priority you mean I have to fuck people I don't want to fuck. I'd agree that someone who can't see past sexual attraction to other value in a relationship isn't a true friend. | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? The same benefits you'd have with people you don't think you'd like to fuck. So basically you're saying that you can only become friends with someone you find unattractive and would never dream of sleeping with. Jeez - that must seriously hamper getting to know people.
A That is false friendship though built on something that both parties aren't really happy with.
I only have male friends and I'm not bi so not intention of sleeping with them.
A woman who friendzones you is not gonna want to spend much time with you.
With my friends we do fun activities, what an I going to do with a woman who friendzone me?
Go for a drink and she tells me all about all her latest meets etc?
You wouldn't want to hear that.
Yeah you're best sticking to your guy friends
I agree. Much better for the women concerned.
I mean.....if they don't want to fuck you what possible use to you are they?
This attitude really grates me I'm afraid and is a massive red flag and perfect example of toxic masculinity - although I'll no doubt be shouted down by the usual suspects for daring to speak out against fellow males.
If you can't be friends with someone of the opposite gender because they don't want to fuck you then heaven help any woman that dares to potentially open up to you and show initial interest. Most people want some level of friendship before fucking someone, unless it's purely a casual one off on here, in which case you're pretty much fucked for ever finding a relationship.
But hey. If that's what you want then that's your choice.
A You didn't elaborate on the benefits of it?
Still yet to see any of any value.
You don't understand the benefits of friendship? Not with women who I'm attracted to, who aren't gonna make me any kind of priority.
It is not a real friendship in my opinion.
I make my friends a priority. Unless by priority you mean I have to fuck people I don't want to fuck.
I'd agree that someone who can't see past sexual attraction to other value in a relationship isn't a true friend."So if you had a meet lined up and your platonic friend off here said they needed help or wanted to hang out, would go to your new meet or help them? | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? I think you might be being misinterpreted. Do you mean on here? So if you really fancy someone and they don’t fancy you there’s no point being friends? If that’s what you mean then yeah I totally get it. I wouldn’t see the point either. yeah exactly. Either on here or in the real world, if you met with the intention of something sexual, I don't know how you can be truly happy to accept their platonic friendship offer. I think your language isn't helping. Talking about 'live leads' makes me uncomfortable Maybe so but you know what I mean. Most people on here are looking for something sexual. They're not really looking to make platonic friends with the people they meet. True but you applied it to off fab too. How do you manage at work etc? I work with men mostly in corrections. If there is a woman I like who is available I make it known. If no interest, I'll keep my distance. Ok, well best of luck, you're not alone in the way you think. " Just trying to help guys on here from wasting their time 99% of the time that's all. | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? The same benefits you'd have with people you don't think you'd like to fuck. So basically you're saying that you can only become friends with someone you find unattractive and would never dream of sleeping with. Jeez - that must seriously hamper getting to know people.
A That is false friendship though built on something that both parties aren't really happy with.
I only have male friends and I'm not bi so not intention of sleeping with them.
A woman who friendzones you is not gonna want to spend much time with you.
With my friends we do fun activities, what an I going to do with a woman who friendzone me?
Go for a drink and she tells me all about all her latest meets etc?
You wouldn't want to hear that.
Yeah you're best sticking to your guy friends
I agree. Much better for the women concerned.
I mean.....if they don't want to fuck you what possible use to you are they?
This attitude really grates me I'm afraid and is a massive red flag and perfect example of toxic masculinity - although I'll no doubt be shouted down by the usual suspects for daring to speak out against fellow males.
If you can't be friends with someone of the opposite gender because they don't want to fuck you then heaven help any woman that dares to potentially open up to you and show initial interest. Most people want some level of friendship before fucking someone, unless it's purely a casual one off on here, in which case you're pretty much fucked for ever finding a relationship.
But hey. If that's what you want then that's your choice.
A You didn't elaborate on the benefits of it?
Still yet to see any of any value.
You don't understand the benefits of friendship? Not with women who I'm attracted to, who aren't gonna make me any kind of priority.
It is not a real friendship in my opinion. "Just wow. 
What happens to the ones that are initially attracted to you but then find out that if they don't fuck you, or have other priorities in their lives such as work, family and friends, that mean that you're not their sole or most important priority - I assume they hold no value to you at all?
Sounds like you want a very one sided relationship where it's not desirable that they have outside commitments.
Would you have an issue with them having male platonic friends that they didn't want to fuck, who might also find them attractive?
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? The same benefits you'd have with people you don't think you'd like to fuck. So basically you're saying that you can only become friends with someone you find unattractive and would never dream of sleeping with. Jeez - that must seriously hamper getting to know people.
A That is false friendship though built on something that both parties aren't really happy with.
I only have male friends and I'm not bi so not intention of sleeping with them.
A woman who friendzones you is not gonna want to spend much time with you.
With my friends we do fun activities, what an I going to do with a woman who friendzone me?
Go for a drink and she tells me all about all her latest meets etc?
You wouldn't want to hear that.
Yeah you're best sticking to your guy friends
I agree. Much better for the women concerned.
I mean.....if they don't want to fuck you what possible use to you are they?
This attitude really grates me I'm afraid and is a massive red flag and perfect example of toxic masculinity - although I'll no doubt be shouted down by the usual suspects for daring to speak out against fellow males.
If you can't be friends with someone of the opposite gender because they don't want to fuck you then heaven help any woman that dares to potentially open up to you and show initial interest. Most people want some level of friendship before fucking someone, unless it's purely a casual one off on here, in which case you're pretty much fucked for ever finding a relationship.
But hey. If that's what you want then that's your choice.
A You didn't elaborate on the benefits of it?
Still yet to see any of any value.
You don't understand the benefits of friendship? Not with women who I'm attracted to, who aren't gonna make me any kind of priority.
It is not a real friendship in my opinion.
I make my friends a priority. Unless by priority you mean I have to fuck people I don't want to fuck.
I'd agree that someone who can't see past sexual attraction to other value in a relationship isn't a true friend. So if you had a meet lined up and your platonic friend off here said they needed help or wanted to hang out, would go to your new meet or help them?"If they needed help, I'd help my friend and send sincere apologies to my meet. If they just wanted to hang out, the social engagement I made first trumps ones that come up later. I'd reschedule with my friend. Same applies for anything else. Someone I care about needs my help, comes over other things. Otherwise I stick to my agreements. | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? The same benefits you'd have with people you don't think you'd like to fuck. So basically you're saying that you can only become friends with someone you find unattractive and would never dream of sleeping with. Jeez - that must seriously hamper getting to know people.
A That is false friendship though built on something that both parties aren't really happy with.
I only have male friends and I'm not bi so not intention of sleeping with them.
A woman who friendzones you is not gonna want to spend much time with you.
With my friends we do fun activities, what an I going to do with a woman who friendzone me?
Go for a drink and she tells me all about all her latest meets etc?
You wouldn't want to hear that.
Yeah you're best sticking to your guy friends
I agree. Much better for the women concerned.
I mean.....if they don't want to fuck you what possible use to you are they?
This attitude really grates me I'm afraid and is a massive red flag and perfect example of toxic masculinity - although I'll no doubt be shouted down by the usual suspects for daring to speak out against fellow males.
If you can't be friends with someone of the opposite gender because they don't want to fuck you then heaven help any woman that dares to potentially open up to you and show initial interest. Most people want some level of friendship before fucking someone, unless it's purely a casual one off on here, in which case you're pretty much fucked for ever finding a relationship.
But hey. If that's what you want then that's your choice.
A You didn't elaborate on the benefits of it?
Still yet to see any of any value.
You don't understand the benefits of friendship? Not with women who I'm attracted to, who aren't gonna make me any kind of priority.
It is not a real friendship in my opinion.
Just wow.
What happens to the ones that are initially attracted to you but then find out that if they don't fuck you, or have other priorities in their lives such as work, family and friends, that mean that you're not their sole or most important priority - I assume they hold no value to you at all?
Sounds like you want a very one sided relationship where it's not desirable that they have outside commitments.
Would you have an issue with them having male platonic friends that they didn't want to fuck, who might also find them attractive?
A"Be like acquaintances but I'm not gonna be texting them or wanting to hang out. Not 1 sided at all, want mutual interest, just don't want to accept a fake friendship. Any woman I date in the real world I tell them if they want me to take them seriously, they can't have male friends. Unless we became swingers etc. | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? The same benefits you'd have with people you don't think you'd like to fuck. So basically you're saying that you can only become friends with someone you find unattractive and would never dream of sleeping with. Jeez - that must seriously hamper getting to know people.
A That is false friendship though built on something that both parties aren't really happy with.
I only have male friends and I'm not bi so not intention of sleeping with them.
A woman who friendzones you is not gonna want to spend much time with you.
With my friends we do fun activities, what an I going to do with a woman who friendzone me?
Go for a drink and she tells me all about all her latest meets etc?
You wouldn't want to hear that.
Yeah you're best sticking to your guy friends
I agree. Much better for the women concerned.
I mean.....if they don't want to fuck you what possible use to you are they?
This attitude really grates me I'm afraid and is a massive red flag and perfect example of toxic masculinity - although I'll no doubt be shouted down by the usual suspects for daring to speak out against fellow males.
If you can't be friends with someone of the opposite gender because they don't want to fuck you then heaven help any woman that dares to potentially open up to you and show initial interest. Most people want some level of friendship before fucking someone, unless it's purely a casual one off on here, in which case you're pretty much fucked for ever finding a relationship.
But hey. If that's what you want then that's your choice.
A You didn't elaborate on the benefits of it?
Still yet to see any of any value.
You don't understand the benefits of friendship? Not with women who I'm attracted to, who aren't gonna make me any kind of priority.
It is not a real friendship in my opinion.
I make my friends a priority. Unless by priority you mean I have to fuck people I don't want to fuck.
I'd agree that someone who can't see past sexual attraction to other value in a relationship isn't a true friend. So if you had a meet lined up and your platonic friend off here said they needed help or wanted to hang out, would go to your new meet or help them?
If they needed help, I'd help my friend and send sincere apologies to my meet.
If they just wanted to hang out, the social engagement I made first trumps ones that come up later. I'd reschedule with my friend.
Same applies for anything else. Someone I care about needs my help, comes over other things. Otherwise I stick to my agreements."That's nice of you but I think you would be in the minority with that outlook. | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? The same benefits you'd have with people you don't think you'd like to fuck. So basically you're saying that you can only become friends with someone you find unattractive and would never dream of sleeping with. Jeez - that must seriously hamper getting to know people.
A That is false friendship though built on something that both parties aren't really happy with.
I only have male friends and I'm not bi so not intention of sleeping with them.
A woman who friendzones you is not gonna want to spend much time with you.
With my friends we do fun activities, what an I going to do with a woman who friendzone me?
Go for a drink and she tells me all about all her latest meets etc?
You wouldn't want to hear that.
Yeah you're best sticking to your guy friends
I agree. Much better for the women concerned.
I mean.....if they don't want to fuck you what possible use to you are they?
This attitude really grates me I'm afraid and is a massive red flag and perfect example of toxic masculinity - although I'll no doubt be shouted down by the usual suspects for daring to speak out against fellow males.
If you can't be friends with someone of the opposite gender because they don't want to fuck you then heaven help any woman that dares to potentially open up to you and show initial interest. Most people want some level of friendship before fucking someone, unless it's purely a casual one off on here, in which case you're pretty much fucked for ever finding a relationship.
But hey. If that's what you want then that's your choice.
A You didn't elaborate on the benefits of it?
Still yet to see any of any value.
You don't understand the benefits of friendship? Not with women who I'm attracted to, who aren't gonna make me any kind of priority.
It is not a real friendship in my opinion.
Just wow.
What happens to the ones that are initially attracted to you but then find out that if they don't fuck you, or have other priorities in their lives such as work, family and friends, that mean that you're not their sole or most important priority - I assume they hold no value to you at all?
Sounds like you want a very one sided relationship where it's not desirable that they have outside commitments.
Would you have an issue with them having male platonic friends that they didn't want to fuck, who might also find them attractive?
A Be like acquaintances but I'm not gonna be texting them or wanting to hang out.
Not 1 sided at all, want mutual interest, just don't want to accept a fake friendship.
Any woman I date in the real world I tell them if they want me to take them seriously, they can't have male friends.
Unless we became swingers etc. "Blimey. I have lots of male friends in my life. Not sure there’s many women who would accept being told to get rid of their friends for someone  | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? The same benefits you'd have with people you don't think you'd like to fuck. So basically you're saying that you can only become friends with someone you find unattractive and would never dream of sleeping with. Jeez - that must seriously hamper getting to know people.
A That is false friendship though built on something that both parties aren't really happy with.
I only have male friends and I'm not bi so not intention of sleeping with them.
A woman who friendzones you is not gonna want to spend much time with you.
With my friends we do fun activities, what an I going to do with a woman who friendzone me?
Go for a drink and she tells me all about all her latest meets etc?
You wouldn't want to hear that.
Yeah you're best sticking to your guy friends
I agree. Much better for the women concerned.
I mean.....if they don't want to fuck you what possible use to you are they?
This attitude really grates me I'm afraid and is a massive red flag and perfect example of toxic masculinity - although I'll no doubt be shouted down by the usual suspects for daring to speak out against fellow males.
If you can't be friends with someone of the opposite gender because they don't want to fuck you then heaven help any woman that dares to potentially open up to you and show initial interest. Most people want some level of friendship before fucking someone, unless it's purely a casual one off on here, in which case you're pretty much fucked for ever finding a relationship.
But hey. If that's what you want then that's your choice.
A You didn't elaborate on the benefits of it?
Still yet to see any of any value.
You don't understand the benefits of friendship? Not with women who I'm attracted to, who aren't gonna make me any kind of priority.
It is not a real friendship in my opinion.
I make my friends a priority. Unless by priority you mean I have to fuck people I don't want to fuck.
I'd agree that someone who can't see past sexual attraction to other value in a relationship isn't a true friend. So if you had a meet lined up and your platonic friend off here said they needed help or wanted to hang out, would go to your new meet or help them?
If they needed help, I'd help my friend and send sincere apologies to my meet.
If they just wanted to hang out, the social engagement I made first trumps ones that come up later. I'd reschedule with my friend.
Same applies for anything else. Someone I care about needs my help, comes over other things. Otherwise I stick to my agreements. That's nice of you but I think you would be in the minority with that outlook. "I don’t | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? The same benefits you'd have with people you don't think you'd like to fuck. So basically you're saying that you can only become friends with someone you find unattractive and would never dream of sleeping with. Jeez - that must seriously hamper getting to know people.
A That is false friendship though built on something that both parties aren't really happy with.
I only have male friends and I'm not bi so not intention of sleeping with them.
A woman who friendzones you is not gonna want to spend much time with you.
With my friends we do fun activities, what an I going to do with a woman who friendzone me?
Go for a drink and she tells me all about all her latest meets etc?
You wouldn't want to hear that.
Yeah you're best sticking to your guy friends
I agree. Much better for the women concerned.
I mean.....if they don't want to fuck you what possible use to you are they?
This attitude really grates me I'm afraid and is a massive red flag and perfect example of toxic masculinity - although I'll no doubt be shouted down by the usual suspects for daring to speak out against fellow males.
If you can't be friends with someone of the opposite gender because they don't want to fuck you then heaven help any woman that dares to potentially open up to you and show initial interest. Most people want some level of friendship before fucking someone, unless it's purely a casual one off on here, in which case you're pretty much fucked for ever finding a relationship.
But hey. If that's what you want then that's your choice.
A You didn't elaborate on the benefits of it?
Still yet to see any of any value.
You don't understand the benefits of friendship? Not with women who I'm attracted to, who aren't gonna make me any kind of priority.
It is not a real friendship in my opinion.
I make my friends a priority. Unless by priority you mean I have to fuck people I don't want to fuck.
I'd agree that someone who can't see past sexual attraction to other value in a relationship isn't a true friend. So if you had a meet lined up and your platonic friend off here said they needed help or wanted to hang out, would go to your new meet or help them?
If they needed help, I'd help my friend and send sincere apologies to my meet.
If they just wanted to hang out, the social engagement I made first trumps ones that come up later. I'd reschedule with my friend.
Same applies for anything else. Someone I care about needs my help, comes over other things. Otherwise I stick to my agreements. That's nice of you but I think you would be in the minority with that outlook. "I would hope that being nice is a prerequisite for being a friend. It is in my books. I'm sorry if you don't believe that's possible. It must be a cruel world you live in. | |||
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"Can you just be friends on fab and engage on a non sexual basis ? What’s been your experience?" Of course you can but you have to remember that text can easily be misinterpreted and people can take offence at the least little thing  | |||
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? The same benefits you'd have with people you don't think you'd like to fuck. So basically you're saying that you can only become friends with someone you find unattractive and would never dream of sleeping with. Jeez - that must seriously hamper getting to know people.
A That is false friendship though built on something that both parties aren't really happy with.
I only have male friends and I'm not bi so not intention of sleeping with them.
A woman who friendzones you is not gonna want to spend much time with you.
With my friends we do fun activities, what an I going to do with a woman who friendzone me?
Go for a drink and she tells me all about all her latest meets etc?
You wouldn't want to hear that.
Yeah you're best sticking to your guy friends
I agree. Much better for the women concerned.
I mean.....if they don't want to fuck you what possible use to you are they?
This attitude really grates me I'm afraid and is a massive red flag and perfect example of toxic masculinity - although I'll no doubt be shouted down by the usual suspects for daring to speak out against fellow males.
If you can't be friends with someone of the opposite gender because they don't want to fuck you then heaven help any woman that dares to potentially open up to you and show initial interest. Most people want some level of friendship before fucking someone, unless it's purely a casual one off on here, in which case you're pretty much fucked for ever finding a relationship.
But hey. If that's what you want then that's your choice.
A You didn't elaborate on the benefits of it?
Still yet to see any of any value.
You don't understand the benefits of friendship? Not with women who I'm attracted to, who aren't gonna make me any kind of priority.
It is not a real friendship in my opinion.
I make my friends a priority. Unless by priority you mean I have to fuck people I don't want to fuck.
I'd agree that someone who can't see past sexual attraction to other value in a relationship isn't a true friend. So if you had a meet lined up and your platonic friend off here said they needed help or wanted to hang out, would go to your new meet or help them?
If they needed help, I'd help my friend and send sincere apologies to my meet.
If they just wanted to hang out, the social engagement I made first trumps ones that come up later. I'd reschedule with my friend.
Same applies for anything else. Someone I care about needs my help, comes over other things. Otherwise I stick to my agreements. That's nice of you but I think you would be in the minority with that outlook.
I would hope that being nice is a prerequisite for being a friend. It is in my books.
I'm sorry if you don't believe that's possible. It must be a cruel world you live in."I said it's nice of you. The world can be cruel. I just want things to progress but it they can't fair enough. You just accept it an move on , that's the best way in my opinion. I know not everyone will agree, but it's win win, you can put your energy and time into something that makes you happy instead. It is a stronger move too, the women will see you in a different light. I had a social, made a move it wasn't reciprocated. I didn't verify or speak again. Met other people and 3 months later the same lady invites me around to her house and we had sex. Being her friend I don't think that would of happened. | |||
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" Just wow.
What happens to the ones that are initially attracted to you but then find out that if they don't fuck you, or have other priorities in their lives such as work, family and friends, that mean that you're not their sole or most important priority - I assume they hold no value to you at all?
Sounds like you want a very one sided relationship where it's not desirable that they have outside commitments.
Would you have an issue with them having male platonic friends that they didn't want to fuck, who might also find them attractive?
A Be like acquaintances but I'm not gonna be texting them or wanting to hang out.
Not 1 sided at all, want mutual interest, just don't want to accept a fake friendship.
Any woman I date in the real world I tell them if they want me to take them seriously, they can't have male friends.
Unless we became swingers etc. "Not allowed to have male friends? WTAF?
The forums never cease to amaze.........
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" Just wow.
What happens to the ones that are initially attracted to you but then find out that if they don't fuck you, or have other priorities in their lives such as work, family and friends, that mean that you're not their sole or most important priority - I assume they hold no value to you at all?
Sounds like you want a very one sided relationship where it's not desirable that they have outside commitments.
Would you have an issue with them having male platonic friends that they didn't want to fuck, who might also find them attractive?
A Be like acquaintances but I'm not gonna be texting them or wanting to hang out.
Not 1 sided at all, want mutual interest, just don't want to accept a fake friendship.
Any woman I date in the real world I tell them if they want me to take them seriously, they can't have male friends.
Unless we became swingers etc.
Not allowed to have male friends?
WTAF?
The forums never cease to amaze.........
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"No! never accept friend zone if you're attracted to them! Just walk away, you will be in their beta male orbit, just giving them free attention. Your attention is valuable, only pursue live leads. You move on and level up and watch some of them change their mind. You make it sound like being friends only is a negative thing? Which is a very depressing thought tbh. You could always just accept the fact that not everyone you're attracted to will be attracted to you, be an adult and recognise that you can still be a supportive friend, rather than someone who behaves like a spoilt child that's been told they can't have an ice cream. The whole 'friend zoned' thing is an artificial construct. If you accept reality and don't get bitter and twisted just because someone says no you'll lead a much happier life. A It's not bitter and twisted, if you had no intention of being their friend why would you settle for it? Only cause you pain and discomfort. I don't see what you gain from it. I'm not a dickhead or aggressive about it, if they're not interested fine no problem. Say if you change your mind let me know and just never talk to them again. You don't see what can be gained by being friends with someone just because they don't want to fuck you? A Nope, please enlighten me too then? The same benefits you'd have with people you don't think you'd like to fuck. So basically you're saying that you can only become friends with someone you find unattractive and would never dream of sleeping with. Jeez - that must seriously hamper getting to know people.
A That is false friendship though built on something that both parties aren't really happy with.
I only have male friends and I'm not bi so not intention of sleeping with them.
A woman who friendzones you is not gonna want to spend much time with you.
With my friends we do fun activities, what an I going to do with a woman who friendzone me?
Go for a drink and she tells me all about all her latest meets etc?
You wouldn't want to hear that.
Yeah you're best sticking to your guy friends
I agree. Much better for the women concerned.
I mean.....if they don't want to fuck you what possible use to you are they?
This attitude really grates me I'm afraid and is a massive red flag and perfect example of toxic masculinity - although I'll no doubt be shouted down by the usual suspects for daring to speak out against fellow males.
If you can't be friends with someone of the opposite gender because they don't want to fuck you then heaven help any woman that dares to potentially open up to you and show initial interest. Most people want some level of friendship before fucking someone, unless it's purely a casual one off on here, in which case you're pretty much fucked for ever finding a relationship.
But hey. If that's what you want then that's your choice.
A You didn't elaborate on the benefits of it?
Still yet to see any of any value.
You don't understand the benefits of friendship? Not with women who I'm attracted to, who aren't gonna make me any kind of priority.
It is not a real friendship in my opinion.
I make my friends a priority. Unless by priority you mean I have to fuck people I don't want to fuck.
I'd agree that someone who can't see past sexual attraction to other value in a relationship isn't a true friend. So if you had a meet lined up and your platonic friend off here said they needed help or wanted to hang out, would go to your new meet or help them?
If they needed help, I'd help my friend and send sincere apologies to my meet.
If they just wanted to hang out, the social engagement I made first trumps ones that come up later. I'd reschedule with my friend.
Same applies for anything else. Someone I care about needs my help, comes over other things. Otherwise I stick to my agreements. That's nice of you but I think you would be in the minority with that outlook.
I would hope that being nice is a prerequisite for being a friend. It is in my books.
I'm sorry if you don't believe that's possible. It must be a cruel world you live in. I said it's nice of you.
The world can be cruel.
I just want things to progress but it they can't fair enough. You just accept it an move on , that's the best way in my opinion.
I know not everyone will agree, but it's win win, you can put your energy and time into something that makes you happy instead.
It is a stronger move too, the women will see you in a different light.
I had a social, made a move it wasn't reciprocated. I didn't verify or speak again.
Met other people and 3 months later the same lady invites me around to her house and we had sex.
Being her friend I don't think that would of happened. "If sex is your only aspiration, then fair enough. I have other aspirations. And the best sex I've had was with people I never thought it would happen with. | |||
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"Yet another light hearted thread derailed into something controversial " Threads evolve. This wasn't derailed. And there was never any indication that it was in any way 'light hearted' in the original question. It's been a useful and interesting read so I wouldn't worry. Plenty of people have expressed personal views and contributed. That's what forum posts are for. 
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"It's okay guys. Be happy that these thoughts are out in public so women know who to avoid What if I've already had sex with you...
Just trying to convey a point. Not trying to be polarise people. "If I had sex with someone who then expressed views I found repugnant, I'd be sure not to repeat the mistake and be grateful for the new information so I could avoid mistakes. | |||
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"It's okay guys. Be happy that these thoughts are out in public so women know who to avoid What if I've already had sex with you...
Just trying to convey a point. Not trying to be polarise people.
If I had sex with someone who then expressed views I found repugnant, I'd be sure not to repeat the mistake and be grateful for the new information so I could avoid mistakes."I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. | |||
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"Yet another light hearted thread derailed into something controversial Threads evolve. This wasn't derailed. And there was never any indication that it was in any way 'light hearted' in the original question. It's been a useful and interesting read so I wouldn't worry. Plenty of people have expressed personal views and contributed. That's what forum posts are for.
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. " I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
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"It's okay guys. Be happy that these thoughts are out in public so women know who to avoid What if I've already had sex with you...
Just trying to convey a point. Not trying to be polarise people.
If I had sex with someone who then expressed views I found repugnant, I'd be sure not to repeat the mistake and be grateful for the new information so I could avoid mistakes. I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view.
Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree.
"I agree that we disagree. I'm also allowed to find it repugnant. What do I gain from it? I find friends who are whole, complex, wonderful people, whose value to me is much greater than sex. I'm very sorry if you don't have or value that. | |||
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
All just a matter of my opinion of course "I think men are people. And people are worth being friends with. Penises are lovely, but men are much more than that. | |||
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
All just a matter of my opinion of course "In the case of being friendzoned I'm talking about. Just a not a true friendship. If they were all guys that wanted to sleep with her yeah because they are all just trying to weasel their way in. | |||
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
All just a matter of my opinion of course In the case of being friendzoned I'm talking about.
Just a not a true friendship.
If they were all guys that wanted to sleep with her yeah because they are all just trying to weasel their way in.
"From context here and elsewhere, "friendzone" seems to mean "this vessel for my dick seems to think she has other worth, and won't let my dick in. I am a victim". Women are people, my friend. | |||
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
All just a matter of my opinion of course In the case of being friendzoned I'm talking about.
Just a not a true friendship.
If they were all guys that wanted to sleep with her yeah because they are all just trying to weasel their way in.
From context here and elsewhere, "friendzone" seems to mean "this vessel for my dick seems to think she has other worth, and won't let my dick in. I am a victim".
Women are people, my friend."I've heard this attitude before. Here's a specific quote and I bet you cant guess who said it.
"Female friends are pointless. What kind of value am I going to get from a female friend? Nothing!"
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
All just a matter of my opinion of course In the case of being friendzoned I'm talking about.
Just a not a true friendship.
If they were all guys that wanted to sleep with her yeah because they are all just trying to weasel their way in.
From context here and elsewhere, "friendzone" seems to mean "this vessel for my dick seems to think she has other worth, and won't let my dick in. I am a victim".
Women are people, my friend."You're not being a victim though if you don't accept it. If you do you are in my opinion. What benefits do you get from making a guy who wants to sleep with you a friend? | |||
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
All just a matter of my opinion of course In the case of being friendzoned I'm talking about.
Just a not a true friendship.
If they were all guys that wanted to sleep with her yeah because they are all just trying to weasel their way in.
From context here and elsewhere, "friendzone" seems to mean "this vessel for my dick seems to think she has other worth, and won't let my dick in. I am a victim".
Women are people, my friend. You're not being a victim though if you don't accept it. If you do you are in my opinion.
What benefits do you get from making a guy who wants to sleep with you a friend?
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"In the case of being friendzoned I'm talking about. Just a not a true friendship. If they were all guys that wanted to sleep with her yeah because they are all just trying to weasel their way in. Right. Just the friendzone. That's why you'd immediately drop any and all female friends as soon as you got a girlfriend of course. And that you're always trying to weasel your way in with every woman you know. We can definitely agree that what you offer is not a true friendship "As I said I don't have any female friends. Being direct is not being a weasel. Yeah I wouldn't be to a woman who I was attracted to. I wouldn't be being true to myself, to my own wants and desires. You can't win them all though. | |||
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
All just a matter of my opinion of course In the case of being friendzoned I'm talking about.
Just a not a true friendship.
If they were all guys that wanted to sleep with her yeah because they are all just trying to weasel their way in.
From context here and elsewhere, "friendzone" seems to mean "this vessel for my dick seems to think she has other worth, and won't let my dick in. I am a victim".
Women are people, my friend. You're not being a victim though if you don't accept it. If you do you are in my opinion.
What benefits do you get from making a guy who wants to sleep with you a friend?
I don't make anyone do anything.
What benefits do I get from being friends with someone who may or may not want to sleep with me?
A... friend?. "Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile... | |||
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
All just a matter of my opinion of course In the case of being friendzoned I'm talking about.
Just a not a true friendship.
If they were all guys that wanted to sleep with her yeah because they are all just trying to weasel their way in.
From context here and elsewhere, "friendzone" seems to mean "this vessel for my dick seems to think she has other worth, and won't let my dick in. I am a victim".
Women are people, my friend. You're not being a victim though if you don't accept it. If you do you are in my opinion.
What benefits do you get from making a guy who wants to sleep with you a friend?
I don't make anyone do anything.
What benefits do I get from being friends with someone who may or may not want to sleep with me?
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
All just a matter of my opinion of course In the case of being friendzoned I'm talking about.
Just a not a true friendship.
If they were all guys that wanted to sleep with her yeah because they are all just trying to weasel their way in.
From context here and elsewhere, "friendzone" seems to mean "this vessel for my dick seems to think she has other worth, and won't let my dick in. I am a victim".
Women are people, my friend. You're not being a victim though if you don't accept it. If you do you are in my opinion.
What benefits do you get from making a guy who wants to sleep with you a friend?
I don't make anyone do anything.
What benefits do I get from being friends with someone who may or may not want to sleep with me?
A... friend?. Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile...
I'm sorry if you don't find friendship worthwhile. Very sorry indeed."I do, just not with women I'm attracted to that's all. That's my point. | |||
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
All just a matter of my opinion of course In the case of being friendzoned I'm talking about.
Just a not a true friendship.
If they were all guys that wanted to sleep with her yeah because they are all just trying to weasel their way in.
From context here and elsewhere, "friendzone" seems to mean "this vessel for my dick seems to think she has other worth, and won't let my dick in. I am a victim".
Women are people, my friend. You're not being a victim though if you don't accept it. If you do you are in my opinion.
What benefits do you get from making a guy who wants to sleep with you a friend?
I don't make anyone do anything.
What benefits do I get from being friends with someone who may or may not want to sleep with me?
A... friend?. Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile...
I'm sorry if you don't find friendship worthwhile. Very sorry indeed. I do, just not with women I'm attracted to that's all.
That's my point.
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
All just a matter of my opinion of course In the case of being friendzoned I'm talking about.
Just a not a true friendship.
If they were all guys that wanted to sleep with her yeah because they are all just trying to weasel their way in.
From context here and elsewhere, "friendzone" seems to mean "this vessel for my dick seems to think she has other worth, and won't let my dick in. I am a victim".
Women are people, my friend. You're not being a victim though if you don't accept it. If you do you are in my opinion.
What benefits do you get from making a guy who wants to sleep with you a friend?
I don't make anyone do anything.
What benefits do I get from being friends with someone who may or may not want to sleep with me?
A... friend?. Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile...
I'm sorry if you don't find friendship worthwhile. Very sorry indeed. I do, just not with women I'm attracted to that's all.
That's my point.
So if you're attracted to a woman, you're unable to see any other redeeming qualities about her?"I'd just always want more so it's easier and less painful to me to remove myself from the situation. | |||
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
All just a matter of my opinion of course In the case of being friendzoned I'm talking about.
Just a not a true friendship.
If they were all guys that wanted to sleep with her yeah because they are all just trying to weasel their way in.
From context here and elsewhere, "friendzone" seems to mean "this vessel for my dick seems to think she has other worth, and won't let my dick in. I am a victim".
Women are people, my friend. You're not being a victim though if you don't accept it. If you do you are in my opinion.
What benefits do you get from making a guy who wants to sleep with you a friend?
I don't make anyone do anything.
What benefits do I get from being friends with someone who may or may not want to sleep with me?
A... friend?. Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile..."What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends? A | |||
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
All just a matter of my opinion of course In the case of being friendzoned I'm talking about.
Just a not a true friendship.
If they were all guys that wanted to sleep with her yeah because they are all just trying to weasel their way in.
From context here and elsewhere, "friendzone" seems to mean "this vessel for my dick seems to think she has other worth, and won't let my dick in. I am a victim".
Women are people, my friend. You're not being a victim though if you don't accept it. If you do you are in my opinion.
What benefits do you get from making a guy who wants to sleep with you a friend?
I don't make anyone do anything.
What benefits do I get from being friends with someone who may or may not want to sleep with me?
A... friend?. Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile...
What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends?
A"We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another. Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers. Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that? I think you know that's a rhetorical question | |||
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
All just a matter of my opinion of course In the case of being friendzoned I'm talking about.
Just a not a true friendship.
If they were all guys that wanted to sleep with her yeah because they are all just trying to weasel their way in.
From context here and elsewhere, "friendzone" seems to mean "this vessel for my dick seems to think she has other worth, and won't let my dick in. I am a victim".
Women are people, my friend. You're not being a victim though if you don't accept it. If you do you are in my opinion.
What benefits do you get from making a guy who wants to sleep with you a friend?
I don't make anyone do anything.
What benefits do I get from being friends with someone who may or may not want to sleep with me?
A... friend?. Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile...
What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends?
A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another.
Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers.
Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that?
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
All just a matter of my opinion of course In the case of being friendzoned I'm talking about.
Just a not a true friendship.
If they were all guys that wanted to sleep with her yeah because they are all just trying to weasel their way in.
From context here and elsewhere, "friendzone" seems to mean "this vessel for my dick seems to think she has other worth, and won't let my dick in. I am a victim".
Women are people, my friend. You're not being a victim though if you don't accept it. If you do you are in my opinion.
What benefits do you get from making a guy who wants to sleep with you a friend?
I don't make anyone do anything.
What benefits do I get from being friends with someone who may or may not want to sleep with me?
A... friend?. Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile...
What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends?
A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another.
Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers.
Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that?
I think you know that's a rhetorical question
Many women do indeed do that "I find it very hard to believe that they do that with guys they friendzone. If they do they must have a heart of gold. | |||
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
All just a matter of my opinion of course In the case of being friendzoned I'm talking about.
Just a not a true friendship.
If they were all guys that wanted to sleep with her yeah because they are all just trying to weasel their way in.
From context here and elsewhere, "friendzone" seems to mean "this vessel for my dick seems to think she has other worth, and won't let my dick in. I am a victim".
Women are people, my friend. You're not being a victim though if you don't accept it. If you do you are in my opinion.
What benefits do you get from making a guy who wants to sleep with you a friend?
I don't make anyone do anything.
What benefits do I get from being friends with someone who may or may not want to sleep with me?
A... friend?. Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile...
What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends?
A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another.
Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers.
Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that?
I think you know that's a rhetorical question
Many women do indeed do that I find it very hard to believe that they do that with guys they friendzone.
If they do they must have a heart of gold. "Maybe they think men are people. | |||
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
All just a matter of my opinion of course In the case of being friendzoned I'm talking about.
Just a not a true friendship.
If they were all guys that wanted to sleep with her yeah because they are all just trying to weasel their way in.
From context here and elsewhere, "friendzone" seems to mean "this vessel for my dick seems to think she has other worth, and won't let my dick in. I am a victim".
Women are people, my friend. You're not being a victim though if you don't accept it. If you do you are in my opinion.
What benefits do you get from making a guy who wants to sleep with you a friend?
I don't make anyone do anything.
What benefits do I get from being friends with someone who may or may not want to sleep with me?
A... friend?. Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile...
What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends?
A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another.
Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers.
Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that?
I think you know that's a rhetorical question
Many women do indeed do that I find it very hard to believe that they do that with guys they friendzone.
If they do they must have a heart of gold. "I have a heart of gold then. Out tonight with my friend zoned male mate. We have the best laugh, tell each other everything and love each other to bits but have never so much as kissed. You are missing out fella | |||
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
All just a matter of my opinion of course In the case of being friendzoned I'm talking about.
Just a not a true friendship.
If they were all guys that wanted to sleep with her yeah because they are all just trying to weasel their way in.
From context here and elsewhere, "friendzone" seems to mean "this vessel for my dick seems to think she has other worth, and won't let my dick in. I am a victim".
Women are people, my friend. You're not being a victim though if you don't accept it. If you do you are in my opinion.
What benefits do you get from making a guy who wants to sleep with you a friend?
I don't make anyone do anything.
What benefits do I get from being friends with someone who may or may not want to sleep with me?
A... friend?. Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile...
What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends?
A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another.
Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers.
Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that?
I think you know that's a rhetorical question "It's only rhetorical to you. To others the answer would likely be 'of course, why not?'. A | |||
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
All just a matter of my opinion of course In the case of being friendzoned I'm talking about.
Just a not a true friendship.
If they were all guys that wanted to sleep with her yeah because they are all just trying to weasel their way in.
From context here and elsewhere, "friendzone" seems to mean "this vessel for my dick seems to think she has other worth, and won't let my dick in. I am a victim".
Women are people, my friend. You're not being a victim though if you don't accept it. If you do you are in my opinion.
What benefits do you get from making a guy who wants to sleep with you a friend?
I don't make anyone do anything.
What benefits do I get from being friends with someone who may or may not want to sleep with me?
A... friend?. Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile...
What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends?
A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another.
Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers.
Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that?
I think you know that's a rhetorical question
Many women do indeed do that I find it very hard to believe that they do that with guys they friendzone.
If they do they must have a heart of gold.
I have a heart of gold then. Out tonight with my friend zoned male mate. We have the best laugh, tell each other everything and love each other to bits but have never so much as kissed. You are missing out fella"Only because you have made that clear to him. Give him a slight chance and watch him make a move... | |||
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
All just a matter of my opinion of course In the case of being friendzoned I'm talking about.
Just a not a true friendship.
If they were all guys that wanted to sleep with her yeah because they are all just trying to weasel their way in.
From context here and elsewhere, "friendzone" seems to mean "this vessel for my dick seems to think she has other worth, and won't let my dick in. I am a victim".
Women are people, my friend. You're not being a victim though if you don't accept it. If you do you are in my opinion.
What benefits do you get from making a guy who wants to sleep with you a friend?
I don't make anyone do anything.
What benefits do I get from being friends with someone who may or may not want to sleep with me?
A... friend?. Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile...
What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends?
A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another.
Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers.
Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that?
I think you know that's a rhetorical question
It's only rhetorical to you. To others the answer would likely be 'of course, why not?'.
A"Nah, not buying it all. In a perfect world maybe. | |||
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
All just a matter of my opinion of course In the case of being friendzoned I'm talking about.
Just a not a true friendship.
If they were all guys that wanted to sleep with her yeah because they are all just trying to weasel their way in.
From context here and elsewhere, "friendzone" seems to mean "this vessel for my dick seems to think she has other worth, and won't let my dick in. I am a victim".
Women are people, my friend. You're not being a victim though if you don't accept it. If you do you are in my opinion.
What benefits do you get from making a guy who wants to sleep with you a friend?
I don't make anyone do anything.
What benefits do I get from being friends with someone who may or may not want to sleep with me?
A... friend?. Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile...
What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends?
A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another.
Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers.
Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that?
I think you know that's a rhetorical question
It's only rhetorical to you. To others the answer would likely be 'of course, why not?'.
A Nah, not buying it all. In a perfect world maybe. "Nope. I hate to break it to you but in the real world it's actually quite common for men and women to be friends, even when one is attracted to the other and it's not reciprocated. Because people can be adults and grown up and realise that just because someone isn't sexually attracted to them that they can still have something to offer them in terms of friendship, support, compassion, advice, help, assistance, empathy.........but then you seem to be unable to grasp that concept and have a very closed mind when it comes to women. You're missing out. Even if you don't realise it. But that's your loss, nobody else's. A | |||
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
All just a matter of my opinion of course In the case of being friendzoned I'm talking about.
Just a not a true friendship.
If they were all guys that wanted to sleep with her yeah because they are all just trying to weasel their way in.
From context here and elsewhere, "friendzone" seems to mean "this vessel for my dick seems to think she has other worth, and won't let my dick in. I am a victim".
Women are people, my friend. You're not being a victim though if you don't accept it. If you do you are in my opinion.
What benefits do you get from making a guy who wants to sleep with you a friend?
I don't make anyone do anything.
What benefits do I get from being friends with someone who may or may not want to sleep with me?
A... friend?. Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile...
What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends?
A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another.
Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers.
Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that?
I think you know that's a rhetorical question
Many women do indeed do that I find it very hard to believe that they do that with guys they friendzone.
If they do they must have a heart of gold.
I have a heart of gold then. Out tonight with my friend zoned male mate. We have the best laugh, tell each other everything and love each other to bits but have never so much as kissed. You are missing out fella"
Only thing I'd change is... I don't "friendzone" people. I have friends. Friendship isn't a demotion from fucking. It has benefits beyond and different to friends I fuck.
"Friendzone" sounds like demotion or denying someone they're entitled to, which is so much garbage. A good friendship is priceless. A good shag - meh, most of the time a vibrator will do the job. | |||
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"We have met some lovely people on here who have became friends, been on hols with some of them as well but as friends you surely can still be friends as well as playmates in our experience " Yes, they're not mutually exclusive. But I've had great friends on here I've never had sex with, as well as years long friendships I never imagined would be sexual (and they did - after 1.5-2.5 years - and the sex was all the more amazing because of the friendship underpinning it) | |||
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
All just a matter of my opinion of course In the case of being friendzoned I'm talking about.
Just a not a true friendship.
If they were all guys that wanted to sleep with her yeah because they are all just trying to weasel their way in.
From context here and elsewhere, "friendzone" seems to mean "this vessel for my dick seems to think she has other worth, and won't let my dick in. I am a victim".
Women are people, my friend. You're not being a victim though if you don't accept it. If you do you are in my opinion.
What benefits do you get from making a guy who wants to sleep with you a friend?
I don't make anyone do anything.
What benefits do I get from being friends with someone who may or may not want to sleep with me?
A... friend?. Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile...
What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends?
A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another.
Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers.
Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that?
I think you know that's a rhetorical question
It's only rhetorical to you. To others the answer would likely be 'of course, why not?'.
A Nah, not buying it all. In a perfect world maybe.
Nope.
I hate to break it to you but in the real world it's actually quite common for men and women to be friends, even when one is attracted to the other and it's not reciprocated.
Because people can be adults and grown up and realise that just because someone isn't sexually attracted to them that they can still have something to offer them in terms of friendship, support, compassion, advice, help, assistance, empathy.........but then you seem to be unable to grasp that concept and have a very closed mind when it comes to women.
You're missing out. Even if you don't realise it. But that's your loss, nobody else's.
A"How is it not adult and grown up to just accept something and move on? It's very condescending to say that is childish behaviour. If I don't like a deal on a house I don't have to buy it. It's not enough for me. We can choose, some people are happy with it, some aren't. I'm giving advice on the best solution to people who want to avoid it. You're just saying accept what you get given. | |||
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
All just a matter of my opinion of course In the case of being friendzoned I'm talking about.
Just a not a true friendship.
If they were all guys that wanted to sleep with her yeah because they are all just trying to weasel their way in.
From context here and elsewhere, "friendzone" seems to mean "this vessel for my dick seems to think she has other worth, and won't let my dick in. I am a victim".
Women are people, my friend. You're not being a victim though if you don't accept it. If you do you are in my opinion.
What benefits do you get from making a guy who wants to sleep with you a friend?
I don't make anyone do anything.
What benefits do I get from being friends with someone who may or may not want to sleep with me?
A... friend?. Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile...
What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends?
A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another.
Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers.
Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that?
I think you know that's a rhetorical question
Many women do indeed do that I find it very hard to believe that they do that with guys they friendzone.
If they do they must have a heart of gold.
I have a heart of gold then. Out tonight with my friend zoned male mate. We have the best laugh, tell each other everything and love each other to bits but have never so much as kissed. You are missing out fella
Only thing I'd change is... I don't "friendzone" people. I have friends. Friendship isn't a demotion from fucking. It has benefits beyond and different to friends I fuck.
"Friendzone" sounds like demotion or denying someone they're entitled to, which is so much garbage. A good friendship is priceless. A good shag - meh, most of the time a vibrator will do the job."
Surely it's better to be in someone's 'friendzone' than for them to want no contact with you just because they don't think of you as a potential partner?
Thinking that they somehow value you less as a friend than as a partner highlights some pretty huge insecurities and says far more about you than them.
Thanks fuck most people don't feel that way. Imagine only ever being friends with someone of the opposite sex if they slept with you?
There's enough incels in this world as it is without adding to the popultaion by making out that just being friends isn't enough and that women have no worth to you as a male unless they're putting out.
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
All just a matter of my opinion of course In the case of being friendzoned I'm talking about.
Just a not a true friendship.
If they were all guys that wanted to sleep with her yeah because they are all just trying to weasel their way in.
From context here and elsewhere, "friendzone" seems to mean "this vessel for my dick seems to think she has other worth, and won't let my dick in. I am a victim".
Women are people, my friend. You're not being a victim though if you don't accept it. If you do you are in my opinion.
What benefits do you get from making a guy who wants to sleep with you a friend?
I don't make anyone do anything.
What benefits do I get from being friends with someone who may or may not want to sleep with me?
A... friend?. Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile...
What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends?
A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another.
Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers.
Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that?
I think you know that's a rhetorical question
Many women do indeed do that I find it very hard to believe that they do that with guys they friendzone.
If they do they must have a heart of gold.
I have a heart of gold then. Out tonight with my friend zoned male mate. We have the best laugh, tell each other everything and love each other to bits but have never so much as kissed. You are missing out fella
Only thing I'd change is... I don't "friendzone" people. I have friends. Friendship isn't a demotion from fucking. It has benefits beyond and different to friends I fuck.
"Friendzone" sounds like demotion or denying someone they're entitled to, which is so much garbage. A good friendship is priceless. A good shag - meh, most of the time a vibrator will do the job.
Surely it's better to be in someone's 'friendzone' than for them to want no contact with you just because they don't think of you as a potential partner?
Thinking that they somehow value you less as a friend than as a partner highlights some pretty huge insecurities and says far more about you than them.
Thanks fuck most people don't feel that way. Imagine only ever being friends with someone of the opposite sex if they slept with you?
There's enough incels in this world as it is without adding to the popultaion by making out that just being friends isn't enough and that women have no worth to you as a male unless they're putting out.
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I reject this horrible idea that I have to watch my back around every guy I'm friends with, because they're waiting for a moment to pounce on me despite no interest expressed or even a lack of interest expressed.
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"Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile... What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends? A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another. Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers. Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that? I think you know that's a rhetorical question It's only rhetorical to you. To others the answer would likely be 'of course, why not?'. A Nah, not buying it all. In a perfect world maybe. Nope. I hate to break it to you but in the real world it's actually quite common for men and women to be friends, even when one is attracted to the other and it's not reciprocated. Because people can be adults and grown up and realise that just because someone isn't sexually attracted to them that they can still have something to offer them in terms of friendship, support, compassion, advice, help, assistance, empathy.........but then you seem to be unable to grasp that concept and have a very closed mind when it comes to women. You're missing out. Even if you don't realise it. But that's your loss, nobody else's. A How is it not adult and grown up to just accept something and move on? It's very condescending to say that is childish behaviour. If I don't like a deal on a house I don't have to buy it. It's not enough for me. We can choose, some people are happy with it, some aren't. I'm giving advice on the best solution to people who want to avoid it. You're just saying accept what you get given. " Yes. Accept that people still have worth even though they don't want to fuck you. You're advising people (men obviously) to refuse the concept of friendship with women if they find them attractive and that sentiment isn't reciprocated. Do you not see how toxic that is? How it displays a massive sense of entitlement? How it comes across as a child throwing a tantrum because they don't get what they wanted? The best solution to people who want to avoid potentially being friendzoned by women if they can't deal with the notion is to stay away from them full stop. I suspect the women would appreciate that far more. A | |||
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"Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile... What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends? A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another. Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers. Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that? I think you know that's a rhetorical question It's only rhetorical to you. To others the answer would likely be 'of course, why not?'. A Nah, not buying it all. In a perfect world maybe. Nope. I hate to break it to you but in the real world it's actually quite common for men and women to be friends, even when one is attracted to the other and it's not reciprocated. Because people can be adults and grown up and realise that just because someone isn't sexually attracted to them that they can still have something to offer them in terms of friendship, support, compassion, advice, help, assistance, empathy.........but then you seem to be unable to grasp that concept and have a very closed mind when it comes to women. You're missing out. Even if you don't realise it. But that's your loss, nobody else's. A How is it not adult and grown up to just accept something and move on? It's very condescending to say that is childish behaviour. If I don't like a deal on a house I don't have to buy it. It's not enough for me. We can choose, some people are happy with it, some aren't. I'm giving advice on the best solution to people who want to avoid it. You're just saying accept what you get given. Yes. Accept that people still have worth even though they don't want to fuck you. You're advising people (men obviously) to refuse the concept of friendship with women if they find them attractive and that sentiment isn't reciprocated. Do you not see how toxic that is? How it displays a massive sense of entitlement? How it comes across as a child throwing a tantrum because they don't get what they wanted? The best solution to people who want to avoid potentially being friendzoned by women if they can't deal with the notion is to stay away from them full stop. I suspect the women would appreciate that far more. A" You don't seem to grasp what I've said. Of course they have worth still. If you're attracted to someone and they have a good personality too. Being friends with them would be like torture. The least painful thing to do is to move on unless you are a masochist. It's not a tantrum, it's just a deal you are unwilling to accept, no dice. | |||
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"Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile... What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends? A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another. Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers. Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that? I think you know that's a rhetorical question It's only rhetorical to you. To others the answer would likely be 'of course, why not?'. A Nah, not buying it all. In a perfect world maybe. Nope. I hate to break it to you but in the real world it's actually quite common for men and women to be friends, even when one is attracted to the other and it's not reciprocated. Because people can be adults and grown up and realise that just because someone isn't sexually attracted to them that they can still have something to offer them in terms of friendship, support, compassion, advice, help, assistance, empathy.........but then you seem to be unable to grasp that concept and have a very closed mind when it comes to women. You're missing out. Even if you don't realise it. But that's your loss, nobody else's. A How is it not adult and grown up to just accept something and move on? It's very condescending to say that is childish behaviour. If I don't like a deal on a house I don't have to buy it. It's not enough for me. We can choose, some people are happy with it, some aren't. I'm giving advice on the best solution to people who want to avoid it. You're just saying accept what you get given. Yes. Accept that people still have worth even though they don't want to fuck you. You're advising people (men obviously) to refuse the concept of friendship with women if they find them attractive and that sentiment isn't reciprocated. Do you not see how toxic that is? How it displays a massive sense of entitlement? How it comes across as a child throwing a tantrum because they don't get what they wanted? The best solution to people who want to avoid potentially being friendzoned by women if they can't deal with the notion is to stay away from them full stop. I suspect the women would appreciate that far more. A You don't seem to grasp what I've said. Of course they have worth still. If you're attracted to someone and they have a good personality too. Being friends with them would be like torture. The least painful thing to do is to move on unless you are a masochist. It's not a tantrum, it's just a deal you are unwilling to accept, no dice. " I grasp it completely. An inability to accept that someone isn't attracted to you negates the possibility of friendship. The fact you consider it torture and painful shows an inability to accept the thoughts and feelings of others without it being all about you. It's the sort of behaviour I used to see in the playground at school where someone says 'my mate fancies you' and when you tell them you don't feel the same they avoid any contact as if you'd personally insulted them in some way. It's really not positive behaviour. Personally I see it as immature and extremely negative behaviour. The kind that a certain current resident of the Romanian justice system frequently spouts to disgruntled male followers as if being turned down by women somehow insults them and makes them undesirable, rather than the simple truth that not everyone you're attracted to will feel the same way - which is the mature, adult way to see things. A | |||
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"Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile... What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends? A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another. Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers. Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that? I think you know that's a rhetorical question It's only rhetorical to you. To others the answer would likely be 'of course, why not?'. A Nah, not buying it all. In a perfect world maybe. Nope. I hate to break it to you but in the real world it's actually quite common for men and women to be friends, even when one is attracted to the other and it's not reciprocated. Because people can be adults and grown up and realise that just because someone isn't sexually attracted to them that they can still have something to offer them in terms of friendship, support, compassion, advice, help, assistance, empathy.........but then you seem to be unable to grasp that concept and have a very closed mind when it comes to women. You're missing out. Even if you don't realise it. But that's your loss, nobody else's. A How is it not adult and grown up to just accept something and move on? It's very condescending to say that is childish behaviour. If I don't like a deal on a house I don't have to buy it. It's not enough for me. We can choose, some people are happy with it, some aren't. I'm giving advice on the best solution to people who want to avoid it. You're just saying accept what you get given. Yes. Accept that people still have worth even though they don't want to fuck you. You're advising people (men obviously) to refuse the concept of friendship with women if they find them attractive and that sentiment isn't reciprocated. Do you not see how toxic that is? How it displays a massive sense of entitlement? How it comes across as a child throwing a tantrum because they don't get what they wanted? The best solution to people who want to avoid potentially being friendzoned by women if they can't deal with the notion is to stay away from them full stop. I suspect the women would appreciate that far more. A You don't seem to grasp what I've said. Of course they have worth still. If you're attracted to someone and they have a good personality too. Being friends with them would be like torture. The least painful thing to do is to move on unless you are a masochist. It's not a tantrum, it's just a deal you are unwilling to accept, no dice. I grasp it completely. An inability to accept that someone isn't attracted to you negates the possibility of friendship. The fact you consider it torture and painful shows an inability to accept the thoughts and feelings of others without it being all about you. It's the sort of behaviour I used to see in the playground at school where someone says 'my mate fancies you' and when you tell them you don't feel the same they avoid any contact as if you'd personally insulted them in some way. It's really not positive behaviour. Personally I see it as immature and extremely negative behaviour. The kind that a certain current resident of the Romanian justice system frequently spouts to disgruntled male followers as if being turned down by women somehow insults them and makes them undesirable, rather than the simple truth that not everyone you're attracted to will feel the same way - which is the mature, adult way to see things. A " I accept their thoughts and feelings but I do put myself first. You have to, nobody else will. Being able to walk away is not childish. It is the opposite. Of course not everyone will find you attractive but if I met them with the intent of having more than a platonic friendship, I don't have to accept that deal. There is a choice whether you like it or not. If she just wants me to be friends to do her favours or give her free attention she met the wrong person. | |||
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"Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile... What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends? A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another. Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers. Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that? I think you know that's a rhetorical question It's only rhetorical to you. To others the answer would likely be 'of course, why not?'. A Nah, not buying it all. In a perfect world maybe. Nope. I hate to break it to you but in the real world it's actually quite common for men and women to be friends, even when one is attracted to the other and it's not reciprocated. Because people can be adults and grown up and realise that just because someone isn't sexually attracted to them that they can still have something to offer them in terms of friendship, support, compassion, advice, help, assistance, empathy.........but then you seem to be unable to grasp that concept and have a very closed mind when it comes to women. You're missing out. Even if you don't realise it. But that's your loss, nobody else's. A How is it not adult and grown up to just accept something and move on? It's very condescending to say that is childish behaviour. If I don't like a deal on a house I don't have to buy it. It's not enough for me. We can choose, some people are happy with it, some aren't. I'm giving advice on the best solution to people who want to avoid it. You're just saying accept what you get given. Yes. Accept that people still have worth even though they don't want to fuck you. You're advising people (men obviously) to refuse the concept of friendship with women if they find them attractive and that sentiment isn't reciprocated. Do you not see how toxic that is? How it displays a massive sense of entitlement? How it comes across as a child throwing a tantrum because they don't get what they wanted? The best solution to people who want to avoid potentially being friendzoned by women if they can't deal with the notion is to stay away from them full stop. I suspect the women would appreciate that far more. A You don't seem to grasp what I've said. Of course they have worth still. If you're attracted to someone and they have a good personality too. Being friends with them would be like torture. The least painful thing to do is to move on unless you are a masochist. It's not a tantrum, it's just a deal you are unwilling to accept, no dice. I grasp it completely. An inability to accept that someone isn't attracted to you negates the possibility of friendship. The fact you consider it torture and painful shows an inability to accept the thoughts and feelings of others without it being all about you. It's the sort of behaviour I used to see in the playground at school where someone says 'my mate fancies you' and when you tell them you don't feel the same they avoid any contact as if you'd personally insulted them in some way. It's really not positive behaviour. Personally I see it as immature and extremely negative behaviour. The kind that a certain current resident of the Romanian justice system frequently spouts to disgruntled male followers as if being turned down by women somehow insults them and makes them undesirable, rather than the simple truth that not everyone you're attracted to will feel the same way - which is the mature, adult way to see things. A I accept their thoughts and feelings but I do put myself first. You have to, nobody else will. Being able to walk away is not childish. It is the opposite. Of course not everyone will find you attractive but if I met them with the intent of having more than a platonic friendship, I don't have to accept that deal. There is a choice whether you like it or not. If she just wants me to be friends to do her favours or give her free attention she met the wrong person. " I think you misunderstand friendship. | |||
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"If she just wants me to be friends to do her favours or give her free attention she met the wrong person. Women are entire people. We don't need people like you for favours or attention. If you're unable to connect with other humans I do feel sorry for you. But if you're happy sitting in an echo chamber of only men with the exact same interests and ideals, then that's your choice, and that's okay if it's okay for you." Not at all I'll be polite, cordial if I see them. I just won't be txting or spending time with them. My interest in them will have dissolved. | |||
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"Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile... What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends? A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another. Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers. Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that? I think you know that's a rhetorical question It's only rhetorical to you. To others the answer would likely be 'of course, why not?'. A Nah, not buying it all. In a perfect world maybe. Nope. I hate to break it to you but in the real world it's actually quite common for men and women to be friends, even when one is attracted to the other and it's not reciprocated. Because people can be adults and grown up and realise that just because someone isn't sexually attracted to them that they can still have something to offer them in terms of friendship, support, compassion, advice, help, assistance, empathy.........but then you seem to be unable to grasp that concept and have a very closed mind when it comes to women. You're missing out. Even if you don't realise it. But that's your loss, nobody else's. A How is it not adult and grown up to just accept something and move on? It's very condescending to say that is childish behaviour. If I don't like a deal on a house I don't have to buy it. It's not enough for me. We can choose, some people are happy with it, some aren't. I'm giving advice on the best solution to people who want to avoid it. You're just saying accept what you get given. Yes. Accept that people still have worth even though they don't want to fuck you. You're advising people (men obviously) to refuse the concept of friendship with women if they find them attractive and that sentiment isn't reciprocated. Do you not see how toxic that is? How it displays a massive sense of entitlement? How it comes across as a child throwing a tantrum because they don't get what they wanted? The best solution to people who want to avoid potentially being friendzoned by women if they can't deal with the notion is to stay away from them full stop. I suspect the women would appreciate that far more. A You don't seem to grasp what I've said. Of course they have worth still. If you're attracted to someone and they have a good personality too. Being friends with them would be like torture. The least painful thing to do is to move on unless you are a masochist. It's not a tantrum, it's just a deal you are unwilling to accept, no dice. I grasp it completely. An inability to accept that someone isn't attracted to you negates the possibility of friendship. The fact you consider it torture and painful shows an inability to accept the thoughts and feelings of others without it being all about you. It's the sort of behaviour I used to see in the playground at school where someone says 'my mate fancies you' and when you tell them you don't feel the same they avoid any contact as if you'd personally insulted them in some way. It's really not positive behaviour. Personally I see it as immature and extremely negative behaviour. The kind that a certain current resident of the Romanian justice system frequently spouts to disgruntled male followers as if being turned down by women somehow insults them and makes them undesirable, rather than the simple truth that not everyone you're attracted to will feel the same way - which is the mature, adult way to see things. A I accept their thoughts and feelings but I do put myself first. You have to, nobody else will. Being able to walk away is not childish. It is the opposite. Of course not everyone will find you attractive but if I met them with the intent of having more than a platonic friendship, I don't have to accept that deal. There is a choice whether you like it or not. If she just wants me to be friends to do her favours or give her free attention she met the wrong person. I think you misunderstand friendship. " And quite possibly women too. A | |||
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"Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile... What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends? A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another. Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers. Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that? I think you know that's a rhetorical question It's only rhetorical to you. To others the answer would likely be 'of course, why not?'. A Nah, not buying it all. In a perfect world maybe. Nope. I hate to break it to you but in the real world it's actually quite common for men and women to be friends, even when one is attracted to the other and it's not reciprocated. Because people can be adults and grown up and realise that just because someone isn't sexually attracted to them that they can still have something to offer them in terms of friendship, support, compassion, advice, help, assistance, empathy.........but then you seem to be unable to grasp that concept and have a very closed mind when it comes to women. You're missing out. Even if you don't realise it. But that's your loss, nobody else's. A How is it not adult and grown up to just accept something and move on? It's very condescending to say that is childish behaviour. If I don't like a deal on a house I don't have to buy it. It's not enough for me. We can choose, some people are happy with it, some aren't. I'm giving advice on the best solution to people who want to avoid it. You're just saying accept what you get given. Yes. Accept that people still have worth even though they don't want to fuck you. You're advising people (men obviously) to refuse the concept of friendship with women if they find them attractive and that sentiment isn't reciprocated. Do you not see how toxic that is? How it displays a massive sense of entitlement? How it comes across as a child throwing a tantrum because they don't get what they wanted? The best solution to people who want to avoid potentially being friendzoned by women if they can't deal with the notion is to stay away from them full stop. I suspect the women would appreciate that far more. A You don't seem to grasp what I've said. Of course they have worth still. If you're attracted to someone and they have a good personality too. Being friends with them would be like torture. The least painful thing to do is to move on unless you are a masochist. It's not a tantrum, it's just a deal you are unwilling to accept, no dice. I grasp it completely. An inability to accept that someone isn't attracted to you negates the possibility of friendship. The fact you consider it torture and painful shows an inability to accept the thoughts and feelings of others without it being all about you. It's the sort of behaviour I used to see in the playground at school where someone says 'my mate fancies you' and when you tell them you don't feel the same they avoid any contact as if you'd personally insulted them in some way. It's really not positive behaviour. Personally I see it as immature and extremely negative behaviour. The kind that a certain current resident of the Romanian justice system frequently spouts to disgruntled male followers as if being turned down by women somehow insults them and makes them undesirable, rather than the simple truth that not everyone you're attracted to will feel the same way - which is the mature, adult way to see things. A I accept their thoughts and feelings but I do put myself first. You have to, nobody else will. Being able to walk away is not childish. It is the opposite. Of course not everyone will find you attractive but if I met them with the intent of having more than a platonic friendship, I don't have to accept that deal. There is a choice whether you like it or not. If she just wants me to be friends to do her favours or give her free attention she met the wrong person. I think you misunderstand friendship. " Not in this case, as I said it would not be a real friendship based on a solid foundation. | |||
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"Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile... What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends? A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another. Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers. Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that? I think you know that's a rhetorical question It's only rhetorical to you. To others the answer would likely be 'of course, why not?'. A Nah, not buying it all. In a perfect world maybe. Nope. I hate to break it to you but in the real world it's actually quite common for men and women to be friends, even when one is attracted to the other and it's not reciprocated. Because people can be adults and grown up and realise that just because someone isn't sexually attracted to them that they can still have something to offer them in terms of friendship, support, compassion, advice, help, assistance, empathy.........but then you seem to be unable to grasp that concept and have a very closed mind when it comes to women. You're missing out. Even if you don't realise it. But that's your loss, nobody else's. A How is it not adult and grown up to just accept something and move on? It's very condescending to say that is childish behaviour. If I don't like a deal on a house I don't have to buy it. It's not enough for me. We can choose, some people are happy with it, some aren't. I'm giving advice on the best solution to people who want to avoid it. You're just saying accept what you get given. Yes. Accept that people still have worth even though they don't want to fuck you. You're advising people (men obviously) to refuse the concept of friendship with women if they find them attractive and that sentiment isn't reciprocated. Do you not see how toxic that is? How it displays a massive sense of entitlement? How it comes across as a child throwing a tantrum because they don't get what they wanted? The best solution to people who want to avoid potentially being friendzoned by women if they can't deal with the notion is to stay away from them full stop. I suspect the women would appreciate that far more. A You don't seem to grasp what I've said. Of course they have worth still. If you're attracted to someone and they have a good personality too. Being friends with them would be like torture. The least painful thing to do is to move on unless you are a masochist. It's not a tantrum, it's just a deal you are unwilling to accept, no dice. I grasp it completely. An inability to accept that someone isn't attracted to you negates the possibility of friendship. The fact you consider it torture and painful shows an inability to accept the thoughts and feelings of others without it being all about you. It's the sort of behaviour I used to see in the playground at school where someone says 'my mate fancies you' and when you tell them you don't feel the same they avoid any contact as if you'd personally insulted them in some way. It's really not positive behaviour. Personally I see it as immature and extremely negative behaviour. The kind that a certain current resident of the Romanian justice system frequently spouts to disgruntled male followers as if being turned down by women somehow insults them and makes them undesirable, rather than the simple truth that not everyone you're attracted to will feel the same way - which is the mature, adult way to see things. A I accept their thoughts and feelings but I do put myself first. You have to, nobody else will. Being able to walk away is not childish. It is the opposite. Of course not everyone will find you attractive but if I met them with the intent of having more than a platonic friendship, I don't have to accept that deal. There is a choice whether you like it or not. If she just wants me to be friends to do her favours or give her free attention she met the wrong person. I think you misunderstand friendship. And quite possibly women too. A" You are making personal insults because you can't back up your argument with any substance. Who is childish now? | |||
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"I don't how by just not wanting to be friends with somebody you find attractive is a repugnant view. Like I said I don't see what you gain from it. Nothing has been said in defence of that has made me change my mind either. Just agree to disagree. I'm friends with people because I enjoy their company and the time we spend together. The idea that someone is only friends with people for what they can get out of them is repugnant to me
Also the idea that if you're attracted to someone their only value is in their genitals.
Also the projection inherent in not allowing girlfriends to have male friends, because that generally translates as the person placing the restrictions can't be trusted with the opposite sex, so of course they wouldn't trust their partner.
All just a matter of my opinion of course In the case of being friendzoned I'm talking about.
Just a not a true friendship.
If they were all guys that wanted to sleep with her yeah because they are all just trying to weasel their way in.
From context here and elsewhere, "friendzone" seems to mean "this vessel for my dick seems to think she has other worth, and won't let my dick in. I am a victim".
Women are people, my friend. You're not being a victim though if you don't accept it. If you do you are in my opinion.
What benefits do you get from making a guy who wants to sleep with you a friend?
I don't make anyone do anything.
What benefits do I get from being friends with someone who may or may not want to sleep with me?
A... friend?. Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile...
What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends?
A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another.
Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers.
Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that?
I think you know that's a rhetorical question
Many women do indeed do that I find it very hard to believe that they do that with guys they friendzone.
If they do they must have a heart of gold.
I have a heart of gold then. Out tonight with my friend zoned male mate. We have the best laugh, tell each other everything and love each other to bits but have never so much as kissed. You are missing out fella Only because you have made that clear to him.
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"Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile... What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends? A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another. Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers. Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that? I think you know that's a rhetorical question It's only rhetorical to you. To others the answer would likely be 'of course, why not?'. A Nah, not buying it all. In a perfect world maybe. Nope. I hate to break it to you but in the real world it's actually quite common for men and women to be friends, even when one is attracted to the other and it's not reciprocated. Because people can be adults and grown up and realise that just because someone isn't sexually attracted to them that they can still have something to offer them in terms of friendship, support, compassion, advice, help, assistance, empathy.........but then you seem to be unable to grasp that concept and have a very closed mind when it comes to women. You're missing out. Even if you don't realise it. But that's your loss, nobody else's. A How is it not adult and grown up to just accept something and move on? It's very condescending to say that is childish behaviour. If I don't like a deal on a house I don't have to buy it. It's not enough for me. We can choose, some people are happy with it, some aren't. I'm giving advice on the best solution to people who want to avoid it. You're just saying accept what you get given. Yes. Accept that people still have worth even though they don't want to fuck you. You're advising people (men obviously) to refuse the concept of friendship with women if they find them attractive and that sentiment isn't reciprocated. Do you not see how toxic that is? How it displays a massive sense of entitlement? How it comes across as a child throwing a tantrum because they don't get what they wanted? The best solution to people who want to avoid potentially being friendzoned by women if they can't deal with the notion is to stay away from them full stop. I suspect the women would appreciate that far more. A You don't seem to grasp what I've said. Of course they have worth still. If you're attracted to someone and they have a good personality too. Being friends with them would be like torture. The least painful thing to do is to move on unless you are a masochist. It's not a tantrum, it's just a deal you are unwilling to accept, no dice. I grasp it completely. An inability to accept that someone isn't attracted to you negates the possibility of friendship. The fact you consider it torture and painful shows an inability to accept the thoughts and feelings of others without it being all about you. It's the sort of behaviour I used to see in the playground at school where someone says 'my mate fancies you' and when you tell them you don't feel the same they avoid any contact as if you'd personally insulted them in some way. It's really not positive behaviour. Personally I see it as immature and extremely negative behaviour. The kind that a certain current resident of the Romanian justice system frequently spouts to disgruntled male followers as if being turned down by women somehow insults them and makes them undesirable, rather than the simple truth that not everyone you're attracted to will feel the same way - which is the mature, adult way to see things. A I accept their thoughts and feelings but I do put myself first. You have to, nobody else will. Being able to walk away is not childish. It is the opposite. Of course not everyone will find you attractive but if I met them with the intent of having more than a platonic friendship, I don't have to accept that deal. There is a choice whether you like it or not. If she just wants me to be friends to do her favours or give her free attention she met the wrong person. I think you misunderstand friendship. And quite possibly women too. A" Possibly but there are women who buy into this way of thinking too both from the point of view being out forward here and from a woman's perspective, they won't entertain or even interact with men they have no sexual interest in. In a small way you see it on the forums, it doesn't matter what the topic is some people (I exclude contributors to this thread)will only respond to people if they find them attractive and there's a chance of sex. In some ways I can understand taking a very single minded approach on hook up sites but out in the wider world the missed opportunities for meaningful, non-sexual interaction with other humans that this attitude causes makes me feel a bit sad. | |||
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" Not in this case, as I said it would not be a real friendship based on a solid foundation. Define a solid foundation. You've already said you don't have female friends. Very much given the emotional tampon vibe so common among the incel and red pill communities. What makes someone 'worthy' of your friendship?" Well I don't meet friends off sex/swinging sites. Someone I met socially or through activities etc. Have some friends I've know since I was 3 and mid 30s now. | |||
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"Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile... What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends? A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another. Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers. Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that? I think you know that's a rhetorical question It's only rhetorical to you. To others the answer would likely be 'of course, why not?'. A Nah, not buying it all. In a perfect world maybe. Nope. I hate to break it to you but in the real world it's actually quite common for men and women to be friends, even when one is attracted to the other and it's not reciprocated. Because people can be adults and grown up and realise that just because someone isn't sexually attracted to them that they can still have something to offer them in terms of friendship, support, compassion, advice, help, assistance, empathy.........but then you seem to be unable to grasp that concept and have a very closed mind when it comes to women. You're missing out. Even if you don't realise it. But that's your loss, nobody else's. A How is it not adult and grown up to just accept something and move on? It's very condescending to say that is childish behaviour. If I don't like a deal on a house I don't have to buy it. It's not enough for me. We can choose, some people are happy with it, some aren't. I'm giving advice on the best solution to people who want to avoid it. You're just saying accept what you get given. Yes. Accept that people still have worth even though they don't want to fuck you. You're advising people (men obviously) to refuse the concept of friendship with women if they find them attractive and that sentiment isn't reciprocated. Do you not see how toxic that is? How it displays a massive sense of entitlement? How it comes across as a child throwing a tantrum because they don't get what they wanted? The best solution to people who want to avoid potentially being friendzoned by women if they can't deal with the notion is to stay away from them full stop. I suspect the women would appreciate that far more. A You don't seem to grasp what I've said. Of course they have worth still. If you're attracted to someone and they have a good personality too. Being friends with them would be like torture. The least painful thing to do is to move on unless you are a masochist. It's not a tantrum, it's just a deal you are unwilling to accept, no dice. I grasp it completely. An inability to accept that someone isn't attracted to you negates the possibility of friendship. The fact you consider it torture and painful shows an inability to accept the thoughts and feelings of others without it being all about you. It's the sort of behaviour I used to see in the playground at school where someone says 'my mate fancies you' and when you tell them you don't feel the same they avoid any contact as if you'd personally insulted them in some way. It's really not positive behaviour. Personally I see it as immature and extremely negative behaviour. The kind that a certain current resident of the Romanian justice system frequently spouts to disgruntled male followers as if being turned down by women somehow insults them and makes them undesirable, rather than the simple truth that not everyone you're attracted to will feel the same way - which is the mature, adult way to see things. A I accept their thoughts and feelings but I do put myself first. You have to, nobody else will. Being able to walk away is not childish. It is the opposite. Of course not everyone will find you attractive but if I met them with the intent of having more than a platonic friendship, I don't have to accept that deal. There is a choice whether you like it or not. If she just wants me to be friends to do her favours or give her free attention she met the wrong person. I think you misunderstand friendship. Not in this case, as I said it would not be a real friendship based on a solid foundation. " You make your position very clear and as I said you're not alone in thinking this way. There's no point in establishing a connection that's not sustainable or mutually agreeable | |||
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"Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile... What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends? A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another. Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers. Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that? I think you know that's a rhetorical question It's only rhetorical to you. To others the answer would likely be 'of course, why not?'. A Nah, not buying it all. In a perfect world maybe. Nope. I hate to break it to you but in the real world it's actually quite common for men and women to be friends, even when one is attracted to the other and it's not reciprocated. Because people can be adults and grown up and realise that just because someone isn't sexually attracted to them that they can still have something to offer them in terms of friendship, support, compassion, advice, help, assistance, empathy.........but then you seem to be unable to grasp that concept and have a very closed mind when it comes to women. You're missing out. Even if you don't realise it. But that's your loss, nobody else's. A How is it not adult and grown up to just accept something and move on? It's very condescending to say that is childish behaviour. If I don't like a deal on a house I don't have to buy it. It's not enough for me. We can choose, some people are happy with it, some aren't. I'm giving advice on the best solution to people who want to avoid it. You're just saying accept what you get given. Yes. Accept that people still have worth even though they don't want to fuck you. You're advising people (men obviously) to refuse the concept of friendship with women if they find them attractive and that sentiment isn't reciprocated. Do you not see how toxic that is? How it displays a massive sense of entitlement? How it comes across as a child throwing a tantrum because they don't get what they wanted? The best solution to people who want to avoid potentially being friendzoned by women if they can't deal with the notion is to stay away from them full stop. I suspect the women would appreciate that far more. A You don't seem to grasp what I've said. Of course they have worth still. If you're attracted to someone and they have a good personality too. Being friends with them would be like torture. The least painful thing to do is to move on unless you are a masochist. It's not a tantrum, it's just a deal you are unwilling to accept, no dice. I grasp it completely. An inability to accept that someone isn't attracted to you negates the possibility of friendship. The fact you consider it torture and painful shows an inability to accept the thoughts and feelings of others without it being all about you. It's the sort of behaviour I used to see in the playground at school where someone says 'my mate fancies you' and when you tell them you don't feel the same they avoid any contact as if you'd personally insulted them in some way. It's really not positive behaviour. Personally I see it as immature and extremely negative behaviour. The kind that a certain current resident of the Romanian justice system frequently spouts to disgruntled male followers as if being turned down by women somehow insults them and makes them undesirable, rather than the simple truth that not everyone you're attracted to will feel the same way - which is the mature, adult way to see things. A I accept their thoughts and feelings but I do put myself first. You have to, nobody else will. Being able to walk away is not childish. It is the opposite. Of course not everyone will find you attractive but if I met them with the intent of having more than a platonic friendship, I don't have to accept that deal. There is a choice whether you like it or not. If she just wants me to be friends to do her favours or give her free attention she met the wrong person. I think you misunderstand friendship. Not in this case, as I said it would not be a real friendship based on a solid foundation. You make your position very clear and as I said you're not alone in thinking this way. There's no point in establishing a connection that's not sustainable or mutually agreeable" Obviously not though to some, everybody has to accept what they're given apparently. You have zero choice in the matter apparently. Yeah exactly how I feel, it isn't sustainable. | |||
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"Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile... What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends? A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another. Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers. Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that? I think you know that's a rhetorical question It's only rhetorical to you. To others the answer would likely be 'of course, why not?'. A Nah, not buying it all. In a perfect world maybe. Nope. I hate to break it to you but in the real world it's actually quite common for men and women to be friends, even when one is attracted to the other and it's not reciprocated. Because people can be adults and grown up and realise that just because someone isn't sexually attracted to them that they can still have something to offer them in terms of friendship, support, compassion, advice, help, assistance, empathy.........but then you seem to be unable to grasp that concept and have a very closed mind when it comes to women. You're missing out. Even if you don't realise it. But that's your loss, nobody else's. A How is it not adult and grown up to just accept something and move on? It's very condescending to say that is childish behaviour. If I don't like a deal on a house I don't have to buy it. It's not enough for me. We can choose, some people are happy with it, some aren't. I'm giving advice on the best solution to people who want to avoid it. You're just saying accept what you get given. Yes. Accept that people still have worth even though they don't want to fuck you. You're advising people (men obviously) to refuse the concept of friendship with women if they find them attractive and that sentiment isn't reciprocated. Do you not see how toxic that is? How it displays a massive sense of entitlement? How it comes across as a child throwing a tantrum because they don't get what they wanted? The best solution to people who want to avoid potentially being friendzoned by women if they can't deal with the notion is to stay away from them full stop. I suspect the women would appreciate that far more. A You don't seem to grasp what I've said. Of course they have worth still. If you're attracted to someone and they have a good personality too. Being friends with them would be like torture. The least painful thing to do is to move on unless you are a masochist. It's not a tantrum, it's just a deal you are unwilling to accept, no dice. I grasp it completely. An inability to accept that someone isn't attracted to you negates the possibility of friendship. The fact you consider it torture and painful shows an inability to accept the thoughts and feelings of others without it being all about you. It's the sort of behaviour I used to see in the playground at school where someone says 'my mate fancies you' and when you tell them you don't feel the same they avoid any contact as if you'd personally insulted them in some way. It's really not positive behaviour. Personally I see it as immature and extremely negative behaviour. The kind that a certain current resident of the Romanian justice system frequently spouts to disgruntled male followers as if being turned down by women somehow insults them and makes them undesirable, rather than the simple truth that not everyone you're attracted to will feel the same way - which is the mature, adult way to see things. A I accept their thoughts and feelings but I do put myself first. You have to, nobody else will. Being able to walk away is not childish. It is the opposite. Of course not everyone will find you attractive but if I met them with the intent of having more than a platonic friendship, I don't have to accept that deal. There is a choice whether you like it or not. If she just wants me to be friends to do her favours or give her free attention she met the wrong person. I think you misunderstand friendship. Not in this case, as I said it would not be a real friendship based on a solid foundation. You make your position very clear and as I said you're not alone in thinking this way. There's no point in establishing a connection that's not sustainable or mutually agreeable Obviously not though to some, everybody has to accept what they're given apparently. You have zero choice in the matter apparently. Yeah exactly how I feel, it isn't sustainable. " You have choice, which you are exercising. I think as I also said earlier it's the way you seem to view women's value as purely sexual that people have issue with. However if you make that and your other conditions clear then the women also have choice. I don't agree with what you say and I am happy to interact with you based purely on the fact that we're two humans talking | |||
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" Obviously not though to some, everybody has to accept what they're given apparently. You have zero choice in the matter apparently. " I don't think anyone has said that. What we've said is that it's sad if the possibility of friendship is discarded if there's unfulfilled attraction. As though friendship were worthless, or at least friendship from women. I wouldn't want to be friends with someone who resented me for not fucking them, but fortunately I think most people are able to handle their disappointment when that happens. It's something I learned in school (not necessarily the fucking bit - but the romantic/sexual interest) | |||
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"Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile... What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends? A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another. Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers. Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that? I think you know that's a rhetorical question It's only rhetorical to you. To others the answer would likely be 'of course, why not?'. A Nah, not buying it all. In a perfect world maybe. Nope. I hate to break it to you but in the real world it's actually quite common for men and women to be friends, even when one is attracted to the other and it's not reciprocated. Because people can be adults and grown up and realise that just because someone isn't sexually attracted to them that they can still have something to offer them in terms of friendship, support, compassion, advice, help, assistance, empathy.........but then you seem to be unable to grasp that concept and have a very closed mind when it comes to women. You're missing out. Even if you don't realise it. But that's your loss, nobody else's. A How is it not adult and grown up to just accept something and move on? It's very condescending to say that is childish behaviour. If I don't like a deal on a house I don't have to buy it. It's not enough for me. We can choose, some people are happy with it, some aren't. I'm giving advice on the best solution to people who want to avoid it. You're just saying accept what you get given. Yes. Accept that people still have worth even though they don't want to fuck you. You're advising people (men obviously) to refuse the concept of friendship with women if they find them attractive and that sentiment isn't reciprocated. Do you not see how toxic that is? How it displays a massive sense of entitlement? How it comes across as a child throwing a tantrum because they don't get what they wanted? The best solution to people who want to avoid potentially being friendzoned by women if they can't deal with the notion is to stay away from them full stop. I suspect the women would appreciate that far more. A You don't seem to grasp what I've said. Of course they have worth still. If you're attracted to someone and they have a good personality too. Being friends with them would be like torture. The least painful thing to do is to move on unless you are a masochist. It's not a tantrum, it's just a deal you are unwilling to accept, no dice. I grasp it completely. An inability to accept that someone isn't attracted to you negates the possibility of friendship. The fact you consider it torture and painful shows an inability to accept the thoughts and feelings of others without it being all about you. It's the sort of behaviour I used to see in the playground at school where someone says 'my mate fancies you' and when you tell them you don't feel the same they avoid any contact as if you'd personally insulted them in some way. It's really not positive behaviour. Personally I see it as immature and extremely negative behaviour. The kind that a certain current resident of the Romanian justice system frequently spouts to disgruntled male followers as if being turned down by women somehow insults them and makes them undesirable, rather than the simple truth that not everyone you're attracted to will feel the same way - which is the mature, adult way to see things. A I accept their thoughts and feelings but I do put myself first. You have to, nobody else will. Being able to walk away is not childish. It is the opposite. Of course not everyone will find you attractive but if I met them with the intent of having more than a platonic friendship, I don't have to accept that deal. There is a choice whether you like it or not. If she just wants me to be friends to do her favours or give her free attention she met the wrong person. I think you misunderstand friendship. And quite possibly women too. A Possibly but there are women who buy into this way of thinking too both from the point of view being out forward here and from a woman's perspective, they won't entertain or even interact with men they have no sexual interest in. In a small way you see it on the forums, it doesn't matter what the topic is some people (I exclude contributors to this thread)will only respond to people if they find them attractive and there's a chance of sex. In some ways I can understand taking a very single minded approach on hook up sites but out in the wider world the missed opportunities for meaningful, non-sexual interaction with other humans that this attitude causes makes me feel a bit sad. " I agree entirely. I assumed we were talking about the wider world rather than fab as that had been established earlier in the thread. It doesn't make me sad. It makes me concerned. When people display attitudes that promote the avoidance of platonic relationships with women and state there's no benefit to friendship with the opposite sex without any physical element? Then that needs to be challenged. As has been said, this kind of thinking is rife in the incel world and is the backbone of toxic male role models such as Tate's ideologies. Young men need to know that they have worth to women who don't want to sleep with them or have a relationship with them. They need educating that it's fine for love and attraction to be unrequited. They need to learn to accept that some will not want to be in a relationship with them but will value them as a friend, without taking it as in insult or a negative comment about their looks or feelings. Otherwise they will grow up thinking that the opposite sex is against them in some way. Which it isn't. Despite what some online morons tell them. A | |||
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"Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile... What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends? A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another. Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers. Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that? I think you know that's a rhetorical question It's only rhetorical to you. To others the answer would likely be 'of course, why not?'. A Nah, not buying it all. In a perfect world maybe. Nope. I hate to break it to you but in the real world it's actually quite common for men and women to be friends, even when one is attracted to the other and it's not reciprocated. Because people can be adults and grown up and realise that just because someone isn't sexually attracted to them that they can still have something to offer them in terms of friendship, support, compassion, advice, help, assistance, empathy.........but then you seem to be unable to grasp that concept and have a very closed mind when it comes to women. You're missing out. Even if you don't realise it. But that's your loss, nobody else's. A How is it not adult and grown up to just accept something and move on? It's very condescending to say that is childish behaviour. If I don't like a deal on a house I don't have to buy it. It's not enough for me. We can choose, some people are happy with it, some aren't. I'm giving advice on the best solution to people who want to avoid it. You're just saying accept what you get given. Yes. Accept that people still have worth even though they don't want to fuck you. You're advising people (men obviously) to refuse the concept of friendship with women if they find them attractive and that sentiment isn't reciprocated. Do you not see how toxic that is? How it displays a massive sense of entitlement? How it comes across as a child throwing a tantrum because they don't get what they wanted? The best solution to people who want to avoid potentially being friendzoned by women if they can't deal with the notion is to stay away from them full stop. I suspect the women would appreciate that far more. A You don't seem to grasp what I've said. Of course they have worth still. If you're attracted to someone and they have a good personality too. Being friends with them would be like torture. The least painful thing to do is to move on unless you are a masochist. It's not a tantrum, it's just a deal you are unwilling to accept, no dice. I grasp it completely. An inability to accept that someone isn't attracted to you negates the possibility of friendship. The fact you consider it torture and painful shows an inability to accept the thoughts and feelings of others without it being all about you. It's the sort of behaviour I used to see in the playground at school where someone says 'my mate fancies you' and when you tell them you don't feel the same they avoid any contact as if you'd personally insulted them in some way. It's really not positive behaviour. Personally I see it as immature and extremely negative behaviour. The kind that a certain current resident of the Romanian justice system frequently spouts to disgruntled male followers as if being turned down by women somehow insults them and makes them undesirable, rather than the simple truth that not everyone you're attracted to will feel the same way - which is the mature, adult way to see things. A I accept their thoughts and feelings but I do put myself first. You have to, nobody else will. Being able to walk away is not childish. It is the opposite. Of course not everyone will find you attractive but if I met them with the intent of having more than a platonic friendship, I don't have to accept that deal. There is a choice whether you like it or not. If she just wants me to be friends to do her favours or give her free attention she met the wrong person. I think you misunderstand friendship. Not in this case, as I said it would not be a real friendship based on a solid foundation. You make your position very clear and as I said you're not alone in thinking this way. There's no point in establishing a connection that's not sustainable or mutually agreeable Obviously not though to some, everybody has to accept what they're given apparently. You have zero choice in the matter apparently. Yeah exactly how I feel, it isn't sustainable. You have choice, which you are exercising. I think as I also said earlier it's the way you seem to view women's value as purely sexual that people have issue with. However if you make that and your other conditions clear then the women also have choice. I don't agree with what you say and I am happy to interact with you based purely on the fact that we're two humans talking "Do I? I offer an alternative view and I'm shouted down and told I have toxic masculinity and I don't understand women. Not very liberal to me that kind of discussion. Yeah we agree to disagree, doesn't mean I'm wrong though. | |||
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"Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile... What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends? A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another. Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers. Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that? I think you know that's a rhetorical question It's only rhetorical to you. To others the answer would likely be 'of course, why not?'. A Nah, not buying it all. In a perfect world maybe. Nope. I hate to break it to you but in the real world it's actually quite common for men and women to be friends, even when one is attracted to the other and it's not reciprocated. Because people can be adults and grown up and realise that just because someone isn't sexually attracted to them that they can still have something to offer them in terms of friendship, support, compassion, advice, help, assistance, empathy.........but then you seem to be unable to grasp that concept and have a very closed mind when it comes to women. You're missing out. Even if you don't realise it. But that's your loss, nobody else's. A How is it not adult and grown up to just accept something and move on? It's very condescending to say that is childish behaviour. If I don't like a deal on a house I don't have to buy it. It's not enough for me. We can choose, some people are happy with it, some aren't. I'm giving advice on the best solution to people who want to avoid it. You're just saying accept what you get given. Yes. Accept that people still have worth even though they don't want to fuck you. You're advising people (men obviously) to refuse the concept of friendship with women if they find them attractive and that sentiment isn't reciprocated. Do you not see how toxic that is? How it displays a massive sense of entitlement? How it comes across as a child throwing a tantrum because they don't get what they wanted? The best solution to people who want to avoid potentially being friendzoned by women if they can't deal with the notion is to stay away from them full stop. I suspect the women would appreciate that far more. A You don't seem to grasp what I've said. Of course they have worth still. If you're attracted to someone and they have a good personality too. Being friends with them would be like torture. The least painful thing to do is to move on unless you are a masochist. It's not a tantrum, it's just a deal you are unwilling to accept, no dice. I grasp it completely. An inability to accept that someone isn't attracted to you negates the possibility of friendship. The fact you consider it torture and painful shows an inability to accept the thoughts and feelings of others without it being all about you. It's the sort of behaviour I used to see in the playground at school where someone says 'my mate fancies you' and when you tell them you don't feel the same they avoid any contact as if you'd personally insulted them in some way. It's really not positive behaviour. Personally I see it as immature and extremely negative behaviour. The kind that a certain current resident of the Romanian justice system frequently spouts to disgruntled male followers as if being turned down by women somehow insults them and makes them undesirable, rather than the simple truth that not everyone you're attracted to will feel the same way - which is the mature, adult way to see things. A I accept their thoughts and feelings but I do put myself first. You have to, nobody else will. Being able to walk away is not childish. It is the opposite. Of course not everyone will find you attractive but if I met them with the intent of having more than a platonic friendship, I don't have to accept that deal. There is a choice whether you like it or not. If she just wants me to be friends to do her favours or give her free attention she met the wrong person. I think you misunderstand friendship. And quite possibly women too. A Possibly but there are women who buy into this way of thinking too both from the point of view being out forward here and from a woman's perspective, they won't entertain or even interact with men they have no sexual interest in. In a small way you see it on the forums, it doesn't matter what the topic is some people (I exclude contributors to this thread)will only respond to people if they find them attractive and there's a chance of sex. In some ways I can understand taking a very single minded approach on hook up sites but out in the wider world the missed opportunities for meaningful, non-sexual interaction with other humans that this attitude causes makes me feel a bit sad. I agree entirely. I assumed we were talking about the wider world rather than fab as that had been established earlier in the thread. It doesn't make me sad. It makes me concerned. When people display attitudes that promote the avoidance of platonic relationships with women and state there's no benefit to friendship with the opposite sex without any physical element? Then that needs to be challenged. As has been said, this kind of thinking is rife in the incel world and is the backbone of toxic male role models such as Tate's ideologies. Young men need to know that they have worth to women who don't want to sleep with them or have a relationship with them. They need educating that it's fine for love and attraction to be unrequited. They need to learn to accept that some will not want to be in a relationship with them but will value them as a friend, without taking it as in insult or a negative comment about their looks or feelings. Otherwise they will grow up thinking that the opposite sex is against them in some way. Which it isn't. Despite what some online morons tell them. A" Agreed. Do you think that young men are being taught that their only value to women is sexual? Are they so low in self esteem? | |||
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"Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile... What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends? A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another. Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers. Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that? I think you know that's a rhetorical question It's only rhetorical to you. To others the answer would likely be 'of course, why not?'. A Nah, not buying it all. In a perfect world maybe. Nope. I hate to break it to you but in the real world it's actually quite common for men and women to be friends, even when one is attracted to the other and it's not reciprocated. Because people can be adults and grown up and realise that just because someone isn't sexually attracted to them that they can still have something to offer them in terms of friendship, support, compassion, advice, help, assistance, empathy.........but then you seem to be unable to grasp that concept and have a very closed mind when it comes to women. You're missing out. Even if you don't realise it. But that's your loss, nobody else's. A How is it not adult and grown up to just accept something and move on? It's very condescending to say that is childish behaviour. If I don't like a deal on a house I don't have to buy it. It's not enough for me. We can choose, some people are happy with it, some aren't. I'm giving advice on the best solution to people who want to avoid it. You're just saying accept what you get given. Yes. Accept that people still have worth even though they don't want to fuck you. You're advising people (men obviously) to refuse the concept of friendship with women if they find them attractive and that sentiment isn't reciprocated. Do you not see how toxic that is? How it displays a massive sense of entitlement? How it comes across as a child throwing a tantrum because they don't get what they wanted? The best solution to people who want to avoid potentially being friendzoned by women if they can't deal with the notion is to stay away from them full stop. I suspect the women would appreciate that far more. A You don't seem to grasp what I've said. Of course they have worth still. If you're attracted to someone and they have a good personality too. Being friends with them would be like torture. The least painful thing to do is to move on unless you are a masochist. It's not a tantrum, it's just a deal you are unwilling to accept, no dice. I grasp it completely. An inability to accept that someone isn't attracted to you negates the possibility of friendship. The fact you consider it torture and painful shows an inability to accept the thoughts and feelings of others without it being all about you. It's the sort of behaviour I used to see in the playground at school where someone says 'my mate fancies you' and when you tell them you don't feel the same they avoid any contact as if you'd personally insulted them in some way. It's really not positive behaviour. Personally I see it as immature and extremely negative behaviour. The kind that a certain current resident of the Romanian justice system frequently spouts to disgruntled male followers as if being turned down by women somehow insults them and makes them undesirable, rather than the simple truth that not everyone you're attracted to will feel the same way - which is the mature, adult way to see things. A I accept their thoughts and feelings but I do put myself first. You have to, nobody else will. Being able to walk away is not childish. It is the opposite. Of course not everyone will find you attractive but if I met them with the intent of having more than a platonic friendship, I don't have to accept that deal. There is a choice whether you like it or not. If she just wants me to be friends to do her favours or give her free attention she met the wrong person. I think you misunderstand friendship. And quite possibly women too. A Possibly but there are women who buy into this way of thinking too both from the point of view being out forward here and from a woman's perspective, they won't entertain or even interact with men they have no sexual interest in. In a small way you see it on the forums, it doesn't matter what the topic is some people (I exclude contributors to this thread)will only respond to people if they find them attractive and there's a chance of sex. In some ways I can understand taking a very single minded approach on hook up sites but out in the wider world the missed opportunities for meaningful, non-sexual interaction with other humans that this attitude causes makes me feel a bit sad. I agree entirely. I assumed we were talking about the wider world rather than fab as that had been established earlier in the thread. It doesn't make me sad. It makes me concerned. When people display attitudes that promote the avoidance of platonic relationships with women and state there's no benefit to friendship with the opposite sex without any physical element? Then that needs to be challenged. As has been said, this kind of thinking is rife in the incel world and is the backbone of toxic male role models such as Tate's ideologies. Young men need to know that they have worth to women who don't want to sleep with them or have a relationship with them. They need educating that it's fine for love and attraction to be unrequited. They need to learn to accept that some will not want to be in a relationship with them but will value them as a friend, without taking it as in insult or a negative comment about their looks or feelings. Otherwise they will grow up thinking that the opposite sex is against them in some way. Which it isn't. Despite what some online morons tell them. A Agreed. Do you think that young men are being taught that their only value to women is sexual? Are they so low in self esteem? " There's certainly a prominent subculture that feeds on such ideas. | |||
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"Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile... What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends? A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another. Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers. Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that? I think you know that's a rhetorical question It's only rhetorical to you. To others the answer would likely be 'of course, why not?'. A Nah, not buying it all. In a perfect world maybe. Nope. I hate to break it to you but in the real world it's actually quite common for men and women to be friends, even when one is attracted to the other and it's not reciprocated. Because people can be adults and grown up and realise that just because someone isn't sexually attracted to them that they can still have something to offer them in terms of friendship, support, compassion, advice, help, assistance, empathy.........but then you seem to be unable to grasp that concept and have a very closed mind when it comes to women. You're missing out. Even if you don't realise it. But that's your loss, nobody else's. A How is it not adult and grown up to just accept something and move on? It's very condescending to say that is childish behaviour. If I don't like a deal on a house I don't have to buy it. It's not enough for me. We can choose, some people are happy with it, some aren't. I'm giving advice on the best solution to people who want to avoid it. You're just saying accept what you get given. Yes. Accept that people still have worth even though they don't want to fuck you. You're advising people (men obviously) to refuse the concept of friendship with women if they find them attractive and that sentiment isn't reciprocated. Do you not see how toxic that is? How it displays a massive sense of entitlement? How it comes across as a child throwing a tantrum because they don't get what they wanted? The best solution to people who want to avoid potentially being friendzoned by women if they can't deal with the notion is to stay away from them full stop. I suspect the women would appreciate that far more. A You don't seem to grasp what I've said. Of course they have worth still. If you're attracted to someone and they have a good personality too. Being friends with them would be like torture. The least painful thing to do is to move on unless you are a masochist. It's not a tantrum, it's just a deal you are unwilling to accept, no dice. I grasp it completely. An inability to accept that someone isn't attracted to you negates the possibility of friendship. The fact you consider it torture and painful shows an inability to accept the thoughts and feelings of others without it being all about you. It's the sort of behaviour I used to see in the playground at school where someone says 'my mate fancies you' and when you tell them you don't feel the same they avoid any contact as if you'd personally insulted them in some way. It's really not positive behaviour. Personally I see it as immature and extremely negative behaviour. The kind that a certain current resident of the Romanian justice system frequently spouts to disgruntled male followers as if being turned down by women somehow insults them and makes them undesirable, rather than the simple truth that not everyone you're attracted to will feel the same way - which is the mature, adult way to see things. A I accept their thoughts and feelings but I do put myself first. You have to, nobody else will. Being able to walk away is not childish. It is the opposite. Of course not everyone will find you attractive but if I met them with the intent of having more than a platonic friendship, I don't have to accept that deal. There is a choice whether you like it or not. If she just wants me to be friends to do her favours or give her free attention she met the wrong person. I think you misunderstand friendship. Not in this case, as I said it would not be a real friendship based on a solid foundation. You make your position very clear and as I said you're not alone in thinking this way. There's no point in establishing a connection that's not sustainable or mutually agreeable Obviously not though to some, everybody has to accept what they're given apparently. You have zero choice in the matter apparently. Yeah exactly how I feel, it isn't sustainable. You have choice, which you are exercising. I think as I also said earlier it's the way you seem to view women's value as purely sexual that people have issue with. However if you make that and your other conditions clear then the women also have choice. I don't agree with what you say and I am happy to interact with you based purely on the fact that we're two humans talking Do I? I offer an alternative view and I'm shouted down and told I have toxic masculinity and I don't understand women.
Not very liberal to me that kind of discussion.
Yeah we agree to disagree, doesn't mean I'm wrong though.
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" Do I? I offer an alternative view and I'm shouted down and told I have toxic masculinity and I don't understand women. Not very liberal to me that kind of discussion. Yeah we agree to disagree, doesn't mean I'm wrong though. " Liberal doesn't mean permissive or doormat. | |||
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"Still yet to hear anything of substance that would be make it something worthwhile... What things 'of substance' do you get from your male friends? A We talk about sports, play sports together. Go out drinking, on days out to the races, help each other out with cars etc do favours for 1 another. Able to talk to each other if we're feeling down etc. Like brothers. Is a woman, who I wanted to sleep with but doesn't want to sleep with me going to offer me that? I think you know that's a rhetorical question It's only rhetorical to you. To others the answer would likely be 'of course, why not?'. A Nah, not buying it all. In a perfect world maybe. Nope. I hate to break it to you but in the real world it's actually quite common for men and women to be friends, even when one is attracted to the other and it's not reciprocated. Because people can be adults and grown up and realise that just because someone isn't sexually attracted to them that they can still have something to offer them in terms of friendship, support, compassion, advice, help, assistance, empathy.........but then you seem to be unable to grasp that concept and have a very closed mind when it comes to women. You're missing out. Even if you don't realise it. But that's your loss, nobody else's. A How is it not adult and grown up to just accept something and move on? It's very condescending to say that is childish behaviour. If I don't like a deal on a house I don't have to buy it. It's not enough for me. We can choose, some people are happy with it, some aren't. I'm giving advice on the best solution to people who want to avoid it. You're just saying accept what you get given. Yes. Accept that people still have worth even though they don't want to fuck you. You're advising people (men obviously) to refuse the concept of friendship with women if they find them attractive and that sentiment isn't reciprocated. Do you not see how toxic that is? How it displays a massive sense of entitlement? How it comes across as a child throwing a tantrum because they don't get what they wanted? The best solution to people who want to avoid potentially being friendzoned by women if they can't deal with the notion is to stay away from them full stop. I suspect the women would appreciate that far more. A You don't seem to grasp what I've said. Of course they have worth still. If you're attracted to someone and they have a good personality too. Being friends with them would be like torture. The least painful thing to do is to move on unless you are a masochist. It's not a tantrum, it's just a deal you are unwilling to accept, no dice. I grasp it completely. An inability to accept that someone isn't attracted to you negates the possibility of friendship. The fact you consider it torture and painful shows an inability to accept the thoughts and feelings of others without it being all about you. It's the sort of behaviour I used to see in the playground at school where someone says 'my mate fancies you' and when you tell them you don't feel the same they avoid any contact as if you'd personally insulted them in some way. It's really not positive behaviour. Personally I see it as immature and extremely negative behaviour. The kind that a certain current resident of the Romanian justice system frequently spouts to disgruntled male followers as if being turned down by women somehow insults them and makes them undesirable, rather than the simple truth that not everyone you're attracted to will feel the same way - which is the mature, adult way to see things. A I accept their thoughts and feelings but I do put myself first. You have to, nobody else will. Being able to walk away is not childish. It is the opposite. Of course not everyone will find you attractive but if I met them with the intent of having more than a platonic friendship, I don't have to accept that deal. There is a choice whether you like it or not. If she just wants me to be friends to do her favours or give her free attention she met the wrong person. I think you misunderstand friendship. And quite possibly women too. A Possibly but there are women who buy into this way of thinking too both from the point of view being out forward here and from a woman's perspective, they won't entertain or even interact with men they have no sexual interest in. In a small way you see it on the forums, it doesn't matter what the topic is some people (I exclude contributors to this thread)will only respond to people if they find them attractive and there's a chance of sex. In some ways I can understand taking a very single minded approach on hook up sites but out in the wider world the missed opportunities for meaningful, non-sexual interaction with other humans that this attitude causes makes me feel a bit sad. I agree entirely. I assumed we were talking about the wider world rather than fab as that had been established earlier in the thread. It doesn't make me sad. It makes me concerned. When people display attitudes that promote the avoidance of platonic relationships with women and state there's no benefit to friendship with the opposite sex without any physical element? Then that needs to be challenged. As has been said, this kind of thinking is rife in the incel world and is the backbone of toxic male role models such as Tate's ideologies. Young men need to know that they have worth to women who don't want to sleep with them or have a relationship with them. They need educating that it's fine for love and attraction to be unrequited. They need to learn to accept that some will not want to be in a relationship with them but will value them as a friend, without taking it as in insult or a negative comment about their looks or feelings. Otherwise they will grow up thinking that the opposite sex is against them in some way. Which it isn't. Despite what some online morons tell them. A Agreed. Do you think that young men are being taught that their only value to women is sexual? Are they so low in self esteem? There's certainly a prominent subculture that feeds on such ideas. " I'm glad I'm too old for it all. | |||
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" Do I? I offer an alternative view and I'm shouted down and told I have toxic masculinity and I don't understand women. Not very liberal to me that kind of discussion. Yeah we agree to disagree, doesn't mean I'm wrong though. Liberal doesn't mean permissive or doormat." It means willing to accept other opinions and ideas though. It is not liberal to resort to personal insults for a disagreeing opinion. | |||
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" Do I? I offer an alternative view and I'm shouted down and told I have toxic masculinity and I don't understand women. Not very liberal to me that kind of discussion. Yeah we agree to disagree, doesn't mean I'm wrong though. Liberal doesn't mean permissive or doormat. It means willing to accept other opinions and ideas though. It is not liberal to resort to personal insults for a disagreeing opinion. " I don't believe I've insulted you. I think it's liberal to be open to hearing new ideas. I've heard what you've had to say. I think it's an impoverished view of friendship that denies women full humanity and diminishes the ability of men to be human beings outside their penises, and other things besides. I've heard your perspective and I find it abhorrent, wanting, and deeply sad. If you want a doormat, as a liberal I will not be that. It is my right to feel that way. It is your right to disagree, which you have, and we have both freely expressed our views. | |||
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" Do I? I offer an alternative view and I'm shouted down and told I have toxic masculinity and I don't understand women. Not very liberal to me that kind of discussion. Yeah we agree to disagree, doesn't mean I'm wrong though. Liberal doesn't mean permissive or doormat. It means willing to accept other opinions and ideas though. It is not liberal to resort to personal insults for a disagreeing opinion. I don't believe I've insulted you. I think it's liberal to be open to hearing new ideas. I've heard what you've had to say. I think it's an impoverished view of friendship that denies women full humanity and diminishes the ability of men to be human beings outside their penises, and other things besides. I've heard your perspective and I find it abhorrent, wanting, and deeply sad. If you want a doormat, as a liberal I will not be that. It is my right to feel that way. It is your right to disagree, which you have, and we have both freely expressed our views. " Not you, being told I don't understand women is quite insulting. Yeah you're entitled to your opinion, see I don't see as that way but if that's how you interpret it fair enough. And I'm entitled to mine. | |||
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" Do I? I offer an alternative view and I'm shouted down and told I have toxic masculinity and I don't understand women. Not very liberal to me that kind of discussion. Yeah we agree to disagree, doesn't mean I'm wrong though. Liberal doesn't mean permissive or doormat. It means willing to accept other opinions and ideas though. It is not liberal to resort to personal insults for a disagreeing opinion. I don't believe I've insulted you. I think it's liberal to be open to hearing new ideas. I've heard what you've had to say. I think it's an impoverished view of friendship that denies women full humanity and diminishes the ability of men to be human beings outside their penises, and other things besides. I've heard your perspective and I find it abhorrent, wanting, and deeply sad. If you want a doormat, as a liberal I will not be that. It is my right to feel that way. It is your right to disagree, which you have, and we have both freely expressed our views. Not you, being told I don't understand women is quite insulting. Yeah you're entitled to your opinion, see I don't see as that way but if that's how you interpret it fair enough. And I'm entitled to mine. " I never said you weren't entitled to your opinion. I have heard you out at length. I stand by my comments. | |||
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" In some ways I can understand taking a very single minded approach on hook up sites but out in the wider world the missed opportunities for meaningful, non-sexual interaction with other humans that this attitude causes makes me feel a bit sad. I agree entirely. I assumed we were talking about the wider world rather than fab as that had been established earlier in the thread. It doesn't make me sad. It makes me concerned. When people display attitudes that promote the avoidance of platonic relationships with women and state there's no benefit to friendship with the opposite sex without any physical element? Then that needs to be challenged. As has been said, this kind of thinking is rife in the incel world and is the backbone of toxic male role models such as Tate's ideologies. Young men need to know that they have worth to women who don't want to sleep with them or have a relationship with them. They need educating that it's fine for love and attraction to be unrequited. They need to learn to accept that some will not want to be in a relationship with them but will value them as a friend, without taking it as in insult or a negative comment about their looks or feelings. Otherwise they will grow up thinking that the opposite sex is against them in some way. Which it isn't. Despite what some online morons tell them. A Agreed. Do you think that young men are being taught that their only value to women is sexual? Are they so low in self esteem? There's certainly a prominent subculture that feeds on such ideas. I'm glad I'm too old for it all." It's sadly growing. We have a teenager. Some of the thing he says about conversations at school, messages sent between people and discussions online are shocking. When a school has to email all parents to advise they have specific policies in place to deal with student discussions and issues relating to Andrew Tate being arrested, highlighting the level of attention he has gained from pupils and concerns about student behaviour as a result.......yep - toxic behaviour in young men is a massive issue. Online chat rooms and phone chat groups are a major concern where vulnerable young men are groomed into thinking women hate them. The result is a highly sexualised view where any rejection from a woman is a personal insult to male pride and grows the issue exponentially. It creates a 'them and us' attitude where there is none in reality. It turns men against women and as a result people (both men and women) against those men that become advocates for negative toxic beliefs. I would hate to be the father of a young woman these days. As the dad of a young man I'll do anything to stop him falling under the spell of these people and growing up believing the shit they spew. A | |||
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