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By *uvna OP Man
over a year ago
Kingston |
For the umpteenth time this week, I've had to charge my car at public services while out on the road.
It amazes me still that while I'm on a pump, people will walk up to the screen, see it's on 30% or something, then have the temerity to knock on the window and ask how long I'm going to be.
Whatever the car is saying, I just double it.
Usually, I just charge to 80% because the car recommends it.
But if its an impatient oik, then I'm going full 100%.
Rant over.
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If you are accustomed to charging to 80%, that means you are finished earlier than 100%. If you choose to top up from 30% to 50, how does anyone know your intentions by only looking at the 30% screen? Of course they are likely to ask if they're unsure |
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Never seen the problem of people asking, just because it says your on 30%soc doesn't mean they know what the charge curve for your battery is, and what soc your leaving at?
Usually better if doing long distance to top up to what you need to get to next charger, as arriving at low SoC means you charge faster when you do get there.
It's not like it offends me when people ask, and often they are newer BEV drivers that don't know any better anyhow.
Take it OP isn't a people person... |
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By *uvna OP Man
over a year ago
Kingston |
Interesting.
I posted this because while it's true, I thought I wonder what other people's thoughts are on this.
So from the few messages so far, seems like I'm gonna get many more window tapping moments.
Might have to try that while out dogging.
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Charging would appear to be the downside of EV technology.
One solution to the 'fuelling up' time factor would be exchangeable batteries but how could anyone be sure they wouldn't be fobbed off with a less than perfect battery sometimes?
I use bottled gas to heat my home and although the cylinders are of varying age and appearance, I expect them to provide the specified energy output.
What happens when an older battery loses storage or current providing capability while part of an exchange scheme? How would they be tested or graded or accountable performance wise? |
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over a year ago
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"Charging would appear to be the downside of EV technology.
One solution to the 'fuelling up' time factor would be exchangeable batteries but how could anyone be sure they wouldn't be fobbed off with a less than perfect battery sometimes?
I use bottled gas to heat my home and although the cylinders are of varying age and appearance, I expect them to provide the specified energy output.
What happens when an older battery loses storage or current providing capability while part of an exchange scheme? How would they be tested or graded or accountable performance wise?"
It's a falsedom of the biggest kind and we've all been globally suckered by electric cars. |
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I have worked in the motive power industry for 30+ years. I was involved in the development and marketing of batteries. Everyone in the industry knows that they are a stepping stone until hydrogen can be economically produced in volume. Currently it’s just not viable.
Lithium Electric vehicle batteries will last approx 5 years. There isn’t a viable recycling plant currently operational in Europe or the USA. Lithium is mined in very controversial circumstances and isn’t recyclable like lead batteries. (66% v 98%)
Its use for forklifts is its best application in motive power but even then it’s not actually needed.
It’s an emperors new clothes situation but we aren’t allowed to say as it’s not woke to tell the truth. |
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It's a falsedom of the biggest kind and we've all been globally suckered by electric cars. "
Not so much by the cars but by 'how do we power them?'
It makes sense to use motors which are smaller and lighter than ICE technology, need no oils or coolant liquids and have phenomenal torque and acceleration without needing a gearbox.
They start getting silly when valuable battery power is diverted into excessive lighting and creature comforts. The simpler the better is what I am looking for and with utility prioritised over styling. I could have a long wait, including for the prices to become attractive! |
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South Korea have an exchange system for lithium batteries on street for moped style bikes. It works there because the batteries are very small , around 20 amps and the social system there enforces correct use of the system. We can’t even look after the scooters in Birmingham! |
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"I have worked in the motive power industry for 30+ years. I was involved in the development and marketing of batteries. Everyone in the industry knows that they are a stepping stone until hydrogen can be economically produced in volume. Currently it’s just not viable.
Lithium Electric vehicle batteries will last approx 5 years. There isn’t a viable recycling plant currently operational in Europe or the USA. Lithium is mined in very controversial circumstances and isn’t recyclable like lead batteries. (66% v 98%)
Its use for forklifts is its best application in motive power but even then it’s not actually needed.
It’s an emperors new clothes situation but we aren’t allowed to say as it’s not woke to tell the truth. "
Hydrogen will only be viable for large vehicles, even toyota and hyundai admit that now, batteries 5 years? Since when we have 10+ year old BEV's now with older tech and still good cell packs. The chemistry has only improved since then.
Charging on long journeys can be a bit of a pain, but no more than stopping g for he loo or break, and if you time them it's kit a problem.
I'm all for people being able to own and buy what they want, greener fuels are coming, and that's good,one solution won't fix everyone's problem, but at the moment, BEV is the best of what we have that economically viable. |
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The packs on Nissan leafs are being sent back to Japan as they are spent!
10 years on an electric car is very much the exception unless they are very light usage!
Don’t misunderstand, I sell batteries so it’s good for me.
Hydrogen powered machines are operating now in the UK |
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"The packs on Nissan leafs are being sent back to Japan as they are spent!
10 years on an electric car is very much the exception unless they are very light usage!
Don’t misunderstand, I sell batteries so it’s good for me.
Hydrogen powered machines are operating now in the UK "
I was quite surprised when someone I know of terminated a trial offer on a Nissan Leaf immediately after experiencing his first public charging session.
I guess he was too familiar with petrol pumps. |
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"The packs on Nissan leafs are being sent back to Japan as they are spent!
10 years on an electric car is very much the exception unless they are very light usage!
Don’t misunderstand, I sell batteries so it’s good for me.
Hydrogen powered machines are operating now in the UK "
He original leaf packs were bad agreed, but they were un-maintained on the car, with no heat/cool. But even those are being re-used in power walls and the likes, not like they are being scrapped as such. However a managed pack from the same date (tesla for example) still showing 85% range. So like I said, chemistry has got a LOT better. Even kinks leaf (62kWh) has a much better pack now with good modern chemistry. The original Zoe's struggled with the same issues. But we are well past that now. Most manufacturers guarantee the power train and HVS for 10 years, and that includes the cell packs. So 5 years and it's dead, is a very backwards attitude to it. |
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