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By *iss.dd OP Woman
over a year ago
Leeds + Newcastle |
None of them come with indicators any more!
I know BMWs aren't sold with indicators but they must REALLY have hiked up the cost of these optional extras on all brands now 'cos no one has them.
Seems like they are giving fog lights away for free though....
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See, the problem is all the other things a new car does for you. It turns its own headlights on and off. Switches on its own wipers. All that nonsense. Drivers forget they have to do a few things themselves … |
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By *iss.dd OP Woman
over a year ago
Leeds + Newcastle |
"See, the problem is all the other things a new car does for you. It turns its own headlights on and off. Switches on its own wipers. All that nonsense. Drivers forget they have to do a few things themselves …"
This is my exact rant I have.
I also don't like being told to change gears either  |
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This is quite undestandable because a recent study found BMW drivers are amongst those with the lowest IQs. Perhaps they struggle with the mechanisation? Top of the heap are Skoda drivers.
re. https://www.scrapcarcomparison.co.uk/blog/smartest-drivers/
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"See, the problem is all the other things a new car does for you. It turns its own headlights on and off. Switches on its own wipers. All that nonsense. Drivers forget they have to do a few things themselves …
This is my exact rant I have.
I also don't like being told to change gears either "
I know right, when you not in the mood to play with a knob, they keep asking |
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over a year ago
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"None of them come with indicators any more!
I know BMWs aren't sold with indicators but they must REALLY have hiked up the cost of these optional extras on all brands now 'cos no one has them.
Seems like they are giving fog lights away for free though....
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Daytine running lights thats the new indicator apparently |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Firstly, nice tongue in cheek sarcasm, took me two reads to get it!
Secondly, you know what REALLY grinds my gears about new cars nowadays?
The POINTLESS gizmofication and digitalisation of the entire car.
I hate the entirely digital dials and single solid display panel block on the front console/dashboard. I hate most in-car infotainment systems which are usually horribly designed to take as many steps as possible for one to navigate to whatever they wish to navigate to. I hate how steering wheels are so stuffed with lots of buttons on them now for some weirdly specific setting or function that I'd barely use till they start looking more like F1 steering wheels. I hate how more and more cars are using flappy pedal gearshifts as opposed to even semi or fully automatic stick shifts.
Driving a car nowadays leaves me feeling more like a fighter jet pilot than a driver. Gone are the days when you could get into a car, sit in the driver's seat for less than a minute, and you have the entire car figured out with all its functions and settings and ready to go. |
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"None of them come with indicators any more!
I know BMWs aren't sold with indicators but they must REALLY have hiked up the cost of these optional extras on all brands now 'cos no one has them.
Seems like they are giving fog lights away for free though....
Daytine running lights thats the new indicator apparently"
Yeah, love those. Means pedestrians can’t see the front indicators anyway, even if by some miracle they were being used. |
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"See, the problem is all the other things a new car does for you. It turns its own headlights on and off. Switches on its own wipers. All that nonsense. Drivers forget they have to do a few things themselves …"
I don’t like it. Mine doesn’t have a key for the ignition, drives me mad. I’m always losing the keys somewhere in the car. |
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"Firstly, nice tongue in cheek sarcasm, took me two reads to get it!
Secondly, you know what REALLY grinds my gears about new cars nowadays?
The POINTLESS gizmofication and digitalisation of the entire car.
I hate the entirely digital dials and single solid display panel block on the front console/dashboard. I hate most in-car infotainment systems which are usually horribly designed to take as many steps as possible for one to navigate to whatever they wish to navigate to. I hate how steering wheels are so stuffed with lots of buttons on them now for some weirdly specific setting or function that I'd barely use till they start looking more like F1 steering wheels. I hate how more and more cars are using flappy pedal gearshifts as opposed to even semi or fully automatic stick shifts.
Driving a car nowadays leaves me feeling more like a fighter jet pilot than a driver. Gone are the days when you could get into a car, sit in the driver's seat for less than a minute, and you have the entire car figured out with all its functions and settings and ready to go. "
I agree in some respects, my car is bristling with tech you never knew you needed, I mean really seemingly pointless stuff.
However…
A few weeks ago 3 kids about aged 12 ran in front of me from behind a bus, the car hit the brakes and stood on its nose, to avoid flattening them, before my foot got to the pedal.
There are 3 lots of parents out there who have no idea how much gratitude the should have towards Land Rover! |
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"Firstly, nice tongue in cheek sarcasm, took me two reads to get it!
Secondly, you know what REALLY grinds my gears about new cars nowadays?
The POINTLESS gizmofication and digitalisation of the entire car.
I hate the entirely digital dials and single solid display panel block on the front console/dashboard. I hate most in-car infotainment systems which are usually horribly designed to take as many steps as possible for one to navigate to whatever they wish to navigate to. I hate how steering wheels are so stuffed with lots of buttons on them now for some weirdly specific setting or function that I'd barely use till they start looking more like F1 steering wheels. I hate how more and more cars are using flappy pedal gearshifts as opposed to even semi or fully automatic stick shifts.
Driving a car nowadays leaves me feeling more like a fighter jet pilot than a driver. Gone are the days when you could get into a car, sit in the driver's seat for less than a minute, and you have the entire car figured out with all its functions and settings and ready to go.
I agree in some respects, my car is bristling with tech you never knew you needed, I mean really seemingly pointless stuff.
However…
A few weeks ago 3 kids about aged 12 ran in front of me from behind a bus, the car hit the brakes and stood on its nose, to avoid flattening them, before my foot got to the pedal.
There are 3 lots of parents out there who have no idea how much gratitude the should have towards Land Rover!"
Some good stuff too then amongst the frippery. |
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"Say what now? Are you supposed to stick your arm out the window when making a manoeuvre?  no a little orange indication piece of plastic pops out from side of car  "
Ah, I regret the passing of the semaphore indicator.  |
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By *wcdfor2TV/TS
over a year ago
SKELMERSDALE |
I know by which indicator is flashing the intended direction that the driver wants to go.
These modern ones that act as a strobing pointer only looked good on K.I.T.T.
Why do they now have lights right across the bonnet and boot. |
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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
Forum Mod Cheeseville, Somerset |
"Firstly, nice tongue in cheek sarcasm, took me two reads to get it!
Secondly, you know what REALLY grinds my gears about new cars nowadays?
The POINTLESS gizmofication and digitalisation of the entire car.
I hate the entirely digital dials and single solid display panel block on the front console/dashboard. I hate most in-car infotainment systems which are usually horribly designed to take as many steps as possible for one to navigate to whatever they wish to navigate to. I hate how steering wheels are so stuffed with lots of buttons on them now for some weirdly specific setting or function that I'd barely use till they start looking more like F1 steering wheels. I hate how more and more cars are using flappy pedal gearshifts as opposed to even semi or fully automatic stick shifts.
Driving a car nowadays leaves me feeling more like a fighter jet pilot than a driver. Gone are the days when you could get into a car, sit in the driver's seat for less than a minute, and you have the entire car figured out with all its functions and settings and ready to go.
I agree in some respects, my car is bristling with tech you never knew you needed, I mean really seemingly pointless stuff.
However…
A few weeks ago 3 kids about aged 12 ran in front of me from behind a bus, the car hit the brakes and stood on its nose, to avoid flattening them, before my foot got to the pedal.
There are 3 lots of parents out there who have no idea how much gratitude the should have towards Land Rover!"
A Land Rover ?
It's a miracle it didn't break down long before you hit them........ 
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"None of them come with indicators any more!
I know BMWs aren't sold with indicators but they must REALLY have hiked up the cost of these optional extras on all brands now 'cos no one has them.
Seems like they are giving fog lights away for free though....
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I have a bmw, and I'll be honest it's more annoying NOT to use indicator nowadays than not. Plus I use the Pro Pilot a lot and it's the only way it will change lanes or take exits so use them all the time.
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Many just cheaply made and characterless. Hollow cheap plastic everywhere, cutting down on everything from a spare wheel to cup holder covers, under seat compartments, 2 way electric boot open/close and so on and so on. Not to mention MMI technology that is great when working but a nightmare if there is an issue and many wanting subscription to services after the first couple of years or so. All in the name apparently of being environmentally friendly whilst prices get higher and higher. And then you have an equivalent electric car that you need to remortgage your house to go near one instead of making them more affordable for people, not to mention easier to charge etc. Anyone has got a donkey?  |
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By *oo..Woman
over a year ago
Boo's World |
"None of them come with indicators any more!
I know BMWs aren't sold with indicators but they must REALLY have hiked up the cost of these optional extras on all brands now 'cos no one has them.
Seems like they are giving fog lights away for free though....
I have a bmw, and I'll be honest it's more annoying NOT to use indicator nowadays than not. Plus I use the Pro Pilot a lot and it's the only way it will change lanes or take exits so use them all the time.
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You can turn it off through the menu and still use a lot of the other options 
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By *oo..Woman
over a year ago
Boo's World |
"You can turn it off through the menu and still use a lot of the other options
Same goes for fuck buddies but I still haven’t found the settings menu for you. I’m used to Apple Macs … "
Just need to delve deeper into the settings and I'm sure you'll find the correct one soon |
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"Say what now? Are you supposed to stick your arm out the window when making a manoeuvre? "
Probably, without realising it, you have just explained the reason.
Ask 'Which arm do (did) you stick out of which window to signal?' and 'Which arm would a Frenchman or a German have used to make a hand signal?'
Then ask 'Which arm do you change gear with and, if you were French or German, which arm would you use to fiddle around with the windscreen wipers when you are not too busy with other driving controls?' Then 'Which hand should be easier to flick the indicator stalk with while still holding the wheel firmly wile simultaneously using the gear lever?'
With a little bit of thought, anyone should be able to work out that virtually every car sold in Britain now, other than proper right hand drive Japanese grey imports, have steering columns built to be convenient for other markets rather than ours.
Is it any wonder that indicator use has become 'optional' for German cars in Britain?
Apart from a Montego and a Volkswagen, every car I have ever owned since I started in the 1960s until and including now had/has the indicators on the right where they should be. Sod Fords. Sod Vauxhalls. They were the traitors who paved the way for the dozy British motoring public getting fobbed off with a manufacturing shortcut.
In order to carry on indicating with the right hand, I now have to drive grey imports. The added bonus is that because Japanese young people live at home with their parents, said imports are also designed for shagging in.
I don't expect many people to to understand my view point as they will either be too young to have ever used indicators on the correct side of the column or are complacent about having been manipulated by the European/ American motor industry.
The evidence is incontrovertible. You've all been duped. Next time someone doesn't indicate or bother dipping, you will know why!
In my book, this was the only valid reason for voting 'Leave' but what difference has it made? None! |
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By *inx.x3Woman
over a year ago
Bath |
"This is quite undestandable because a recent study found BMW drivers are amongst those with the lowest IQs. Perhaps they struggle with the mechanisation? Top of the heap are Skoda drivers.
re. https://www.scrapcarcomparison.co.uk/blog/smartest-drivers/
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Clearly I’m getting dumber as I went from Peugeot, merc to BMW
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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago
Dubai & Nottingham |
"See, the problem is all the other things a new car does for you. It turns its own headlights on and off. Switches on its own wipers. All that nonsense. Drivers forget they have to do a few things themselves …"
The only time I’ve ever used lights on a car is turning them off after an MOT, they always forget to put it back in auto mode |
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"See, the problem is all the other things a new car does for you. It turns its own headlights on and off. Switches on its own wipers. All that nonsense. Drivers forget they have to do a few things themselves …
I don’t like it. Mine doesn’t have a key for the ignition, drives me mad. I’m always losing the keys somewhere in the car. "
See, I love my keyless entry. I stick the card thingy in my wheelchair fanny and that means as soon as I'm next to the car, I can open it, and with the wheelchair in the boot, I can drive the car without faffing finding keys. The keycard rarely comes out of my wheelchair fanny now |
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By *JB1954Man
over a year ago
Reading |
As others have said about. To do some things . Lot of menu’s on new cars to choose from. My car user manual is 670 pages including index. There is a separate manual for the navigation system. This is 134 pages including index. Yesterday had notification on navigation screen to say maps need updating. So spent last night looking in both manuals how to do |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"See, the problem is all the other things a new car does for you. It turns its own headlights on and off. Switches on its own wipers. All that nonsense. Drivers forget they have to do a few things themselves …"
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Car designers need to get better at designing indicators.
Current cars seem to have them hidden in some shit position or too small to see in sunlight.
They may be indicating but we just can't see it.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Don't worry folks, I'm replacing my 3 year old hilux with a new one in March.
If you break down up in Scotland I will happily tow you home.
Unless of course you are driving an all electric vehicle, if that's the case then you deal with it yourself as punishment for your own stupidity. |
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By *hilloutMan
over a year ago
All over the place! Northwesr, , Southwest |
They're over-designed, over-engineered, needlessly complex and less exciting.
Give me a good manual gearbox, internal combustion engine that makes an authentic (not simulated Vroom!) exhaust note any day. |
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By *usie pTV/TS
over a year ago
taunton |
Lol the thing I have noticed over the last few years is how small indicators are on some cars, on several occasions I have thought wtf is that car stopped in the middle of the road for and it is only after I have stopped that I see a tiny little light blinking especially on sunny days. |
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"Electronic parking brakes are expensive to fix if they go wrong so call me old fashioned but I'll stick with the manual cable operated one."
If the authorities had any sense of safety, they should insist that every car has a mechanical lever hand brake located that anyone in the car has a chance of reaching in an emergency.
If a driver becomes incapacitated, any passenger should have some facility to bring the car to a halt (and if they are able, grab the steering wheel as well.
One of my vehicles has the most god awful foot operated parking brake. Press down to operate, press again to release. Pedal is much higher than the others. Absolutely stupid idea as it is not possible to use it as an extra aid when doing parking manoeuvres on very steep slopes. Who thinks up these 'improvements'? |
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"Electronic parking brakes are expensive to fix if they go wrong so call me old fashioned but I'll stick with the manual cable operated one.
If the authorities had any sense of safety, they should insist that every car has a mechanical lever hand brake located that anyone in the car has a chance of reaching in an emergency.
If a driver becomes incapacitated, any passenger should have some facility to bring the car to a halt (and if they are able, grab the steering wheel as well.
One of my vehicles has the most god awful foot operated parking brake. Press down to operate, press again to release. Pedal is much higher than the others. Absolutely stupid idea as it is not possible to use it as an extra aid when doing parking manoeuvres on very steep slopes. Who thinks up these 'improvements'?"
Mercedes?
threw me the first time i drove one with a foot pedal on the left to apply the 'handbrake' and a pully out thing on the other side to take it off |
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I resemble that fact!
I've had a BMW For 12months now and it's hard work learning to drive like a know!
I was actually talking with a couple of friends about what we precieve as the standard of driving massively decreasing! We all do a reasonable amount of mile I do 25k a year my other mate does about 40k so we see a lot all of us agree people just aren't thinking, looking, reading the roads and conditions. This is back up by another friend who works in a big body shop. Pre covid they would get 2 to 3 cars a day maybe even every other day. Now post covid 10 cars a day is the norm!
I'm sure this trend follows the trend in people losing commonsense and becoming a nanny state. People just don't except the own actions have consequences. Or if the car gets damaged or well I got insurance or I will get another one.
Another thing driving test are getting harder but driving standards get worse? Is it cause the lack the practicality to drive grrrrrrr frustrating times!
Rant over lol |
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"See, the problem is all the other things a new car does for you. It turns its own headlights on and off. Switches on its own wipers. All that nonsense. Drivers forget they have to do a few things themselves …"
The auto settings can easily be switched off.
Auto lights are a great invention, there is no downside to having it on a car at all. |
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Auto lights are a great invention, there is no downside to having it on a car at all."
They must be few and far between, judging by the number of unlit very modern cars I see every dark evening.
Also why do so many modern cars still have only one brake/tail/ side/ headlamp working? I had a late 1980s Honda that had a dashboard display indicating blown bulbs. Some things must have gone backwards in priority since then. Fat lot of use programmes like 'Top Gear' have ever been for highlighting everyday motoring issues. They should have been in the forefront of asking "What the hell is going on?". |
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By *JB1954Man
over a year ago
Reading |
"I resemble that fact!
I've had a BMW For 12months now and it's hard work learning to drive like a know!
I was actually talking with a couple of friends about what we precieve as the standard of driving massively decreasing! We all do a reasonable amount of mile I do 25k a year my other mate does about 40k so we see a lot all of us agree people just aren't thinking, looking, reading the roads and conditions. This is back up by another friend who works in a big body shop. Pre covid they would get 2 to 3 cars a day maybe even every other day. Now post covid 10 cars a day is the norm!
I'm sure this trend follows the trend in people losing commonsense and becoming a nanny state. People just don't except the own actions have consequences. Or if the car gets damaged or well I got insurance or I will get another one.
Another thing driving test are getting harder but driving standards get worse? Is it cause the lack the practicality to drive grrrrrrr frustrating times!
Rant over lol"
Where I live . The road is used by a lot of driving instructors. As some driving tests are done there. This due to very little traffic in working hours.
My main thing is about standards now. My house is semi detached . So between my house and the next semi , have a dropped kerb. My neighbour in semi attached to mine , leaves their car out on road. The number of times , instructors allow pupils to reverse back around neighbours car and block my drive is ridiculess. I have actually had arguments with instructors about this. As pupil will have ‘points’ deducted for doing.
The reason I know is a pupil blocked my drive while I was trying to get out a couple weeks ago. . I was going to hospital to pick up someone. Instructor said he was going to tell pupil that should not do on test. Saw same pupil doing test and yes did same thing. So must have got marked down. Saw examiner writing on clipboard. This may be minor . Yet the amount of instructors who do this seems that it is ok. ? |
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over a year ago
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I saw a video this morning showing that to replace the steering rack on a Tesla Moldel S, the battery pack has to be removed. That's basically the whole underfloor of the car that has to be dropped just to change a steering rack.
Talk about a poor design |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I see a lot of new cars wedged up the side of roads awaiting rac
I shall never have new car troubles, Ive just stopped having to ch@ke mine on cold mornings |
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Love riding motorbikes especially the ones that have very few riding aides. Two stroke motorbikes from the 80’s and I’m a happy bunny.
But when it comes to cars, you make it, I’ll take it. Wipers auto, yes please, automatic that’ll do nicely, adaptive cruise control with lane assist, very nice extra £1000 go on then
I hate driving if the car will do the majority that’s alright with me. |
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"I saw a video this morning showing that to replace the steering rack on a Tesla Moldel S, the battery pack has to be removed. That's basically the whole underfloor of the car that has to be dropped just to change a steering rack.
Talk about a poor design"
I've yet to need a steering rack replaced on any car. If Teslas need that sort of work done on them while still so young, then that's not a good advert for them.
Guess the implication is also that the whole underfloor of the car that has to be dropped just to change the battery pack.
It rather depends on how difficult or easy it is to drop 'the whole underfloor of the car'. Probably more dirty than difficult. |
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"Skoda drivers are sensible and make wise choices and no idea what that guy has against us."
Interesting that for a long time Skodas were the mainstay of the privately owned minicab fleet but now they have been usurped almost totally by the Prius.
People who drive their own cars which they need to rely on for a living are worth having their choice noted.
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"I saw a video this morning showing that to replace the steering rack on a Tesla Moldel S, the battery pack has to be removed. That's basically the whole underfloor of the car that has to be dropped just to change a steering rack.
Talk about a poor design
I've yet to need a steering rack replaced on any car. If Teslas need that sort of work done on them while still so young, then that's not a good advert for them.
Guess the implication is also that the whole underfloor of the car that has to be dropped just to change the battery pack.
It rather depends on how difficult or easy it is to drop 'the whole underfloor of the car'. Probably more dirty than difficult."
I compltely agree. I've never NEEDED to replace the steering rack on any of my cars, though I am replacing the one on my Yank, but only as an upgrade |
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"None of them come with indicators any more!
I know BMWs aren't sold with indicators but they must REALLY have hiked up the cost of these optional extras on all brands now 'cos no one has them.
Seems like they are giving fog lights away for free though....
I have a bmw, and I'll be honest it's more annoying NOT to use indicator nowadays than not. Plus I use the Pro Pilot a lot and it's the only way it will change lanes or take exits so use them all the time.
You can turn it off through the menu and still use a lot of the other options
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Not most of the self drive stuff though |
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"See, the problem is all the other things a new car does for you. It turns its own headlights on and off. Switches on its own wipers. All that nonsense. Drivers forget they have to do a few things themselves …"
first 20 mins when I picked up my new car was working out how to turn most of those stupid things off.....
I hate not putting my key in the ignition though... I'm always losing where the key is in the car. |
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