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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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I saw this on the news this morning but then had to go to work.
The new police commissioner for Hertfordshire is suggesting that people should pay if they have to spend a night in the cell.
It's not even clear if this is legal but that's what the police commissioner is suggesting. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Free bed, breakfast and evening meal at our expense for committing a crime? Hmm let me think? Hell yeah they should pay to cover costs.
Just my opinion and I have my la la ear plugs in!  |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"Free bed, breakfast and evening meal at our expense for committing a crime? Hmm let me think? Hell yeah they should pay to cover costs.
Just my opinion and I have my la la ear plugs in! "
I wonder how some of the criminals will get the money to pay for their cell? I mean the ones that are paying off rent arrears at 50p a week! |
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By *iewMan
over a year ago
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"I saw this on the news this morning but then had to go to work.
The new police commissioner for Hertfordshire is suggesting that people should pay if they have to spend a night in the cell.
It's not even clear if this is legal but that's what the police commissioner is suggesting."
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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I think people should have to pay for calling out the emergency services when clearly they did not need them; same for needing hospital/ ambulance etc for being d*unk... I know it sounds drastic but visiting A & E on a Saturday night is just vile...
Sorry OP... slightly off track. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"I think people should have to pay for calling out the emergency services when clearly they did not need them; same for needing hospital/ ambulance etc for being d*unk... I know it sounds drastic but visiting A & E on a Saturday night is just vile...
Sorry OP... slightly off track."
Not at all, that has been suggested as well by different health authorities. |
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By *UNKIEMan
over a year ago
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"I think people should have to pay for calling out the emergency services when clearly they did not need them; same for needing hospital/ ambulance etc for being d*unk... I know it sounds drastic but visiting A & E on a Saturday night is just vile...
Sorry OP... slightly off track."
Off track a little but soo very much agree |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Its a good idea but i don't see it working or even being a deterrent. I used to get into a bit of trouble growing up, and have spent 15 nights in the cells, fine and caution after another. The threat of jail got me to grow up and that's all. |
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By *am123Man
over a year ago
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"I saw this on the news this morning but then had to go to work.
The new police commissioner for Hertfordshire is suggesting that people should pay if they have to spend a night in the cell.
It's not even clear if this is legal but that's what the police commissioner is suggesting."
oh great another stelth tax just like the speed cameras , ther will be coppers slinging anyone in to get funds  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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And who decides whether someone gets banged up for the night,an adjudicator or the police? I can imagine a lot more people will find themselves in a cell for a night for a spurious reason.
Every little helps. What they going to do with the money? and if no charges are brought or someone is found not guilty what then? a rebate?
The Old Bill are still having trouble with joined up thinking I see |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"I think people should have to pay for calling out the emergency services when clearly they did not need them; same for needing hospital/ ambulance etc for being d*unk... I know it sounds drastic but visiting A & E on a Saturday night is just vile...
Sorry OP... slightly off track."
A&E on a weekend night can be hairy but the worst place is the Medical Assessment Unit (where they ship folks getting close to the 4 hour treat or discharge deadline).
The d*unks and fighters are beginning to sober up by that point and beginning to get aggressive and confrontational. |
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"I saw this on the news this morning but then had to go to work.
The new police commissioner for Hertfordshire is suggesting that people should pay if they have to spend a night in the cell.
It's not even clear if this is legal but that's what the police commissioner is suggesting."
what they going to do if you refuse to pay, put you in a police cell?  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I saw this on the news this morning but then had to go to work.
The new police commissioner for Hertfordshire is suggesting that people should pay if they have to spend a night in the cell.
It's not even clear if this is legal but that's what the police commissioner is suggesting."
I will have to google this news item as it must be a local idea..
Looks like the recent Police Commissioner polling voting has paid dividends... not |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So, various proposals recently have suggested that we pay:
1) for 999 calls
2) for calls made because one injured oneself through drugs/alcohol
3) for an overnight 'stay' in a cell.
What next?
4) calling a PC out to investigate a crime? "that'll be £50 call out charge Sir, £30 for the first hour and £20 an hour thereafter."
5) making a citizens arrest? £100 please, as you undermined your local police force in their ability to do their job.
6) £50 for not getting out of the way of an emergency vehicle in time. Ta muchly.
How about these frickin services do their jobs properly and not worry about the finances of it. Wouldn't that be a novel idea.  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In China where executions were often carried with a single gun shot to the head the criminal's family were made to pay for the bullet!
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That practice was more of a symbolic statement to the populace in the main in so much as your family will forever bear the shame of having to purchase a bullet from the state with which to kill you. It had very little to do with the cost of a bullet. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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"And who decides whether someone gets banged up for the night,an adjudicator or the police? I can imagine a lot more people will find themselves in a cell for a night for a spurious reason.
Every little helps. What they going to do with the money? and if no charges are brought or someone is found not guilty what then? a rebate?
The Old Bill are still having trouble with joined up thinking I see"
The police in Hertfordshire are not commenting. The suggestion comes from one of the newly elected police commissioners. You know, the folk no one bothered to vote for. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
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The police in Hertfordshire are not commenting. The suggestion comes from one of the newly elected police commissioners. You know, the folk no one bothered to vote for."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9780607/Criminals-should-pay-for-a-night-in-police-cells.html |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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"So, various proposals recently have suggested that we pay:
1) for 999 calls
2) for calls made because one injured oneself through drugs/alcohol
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lol...no, Wishy, only for "wasted" professional time - and I know sometimes there is a grey area as to whether a 999 call was necessary or not. I am just going by what I am told by family and friends who work in the NHS... how often resources are wasted when there really was no need for that; eg calling an ambulance because a guy had a cold or calling a police car to have a lift home as somebody was a bit too d*unk to walk home! Real cases! |
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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago
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There is one group who have to pay for their keep while in prison its those who are wrongly convicted and have the conviction quashed they then have to pay part of any compensation back to help pay for the time they were there.
But those who have committed a crime pay nothing? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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How about these frickin services do their jobs properly and not worry about the finances of it. Wouldn't that be a novel idea. "
That's where you have hit the nail on the head , " services " , a dirty word in today's grubby and greedy world .
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
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The police in Hertfordshire are not commenting. The suggestion comes from one of the newly elected police commissioners. You know, the folk no one bothered to vote for.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9780607/Criminals-should-pay-for-a-night-in-police-cells.html"
Thanks for posting the link (I don't know how to do that).
I have just thought it might be his way of covering his £80k a year salary. I wasn't clear whwere the budget had come from for these new posts so maybe they all have income generation targets? |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"......But those who have committed a crime pay nothing?"
Some do pay via the Proceeds of Crime stuff but it isn't enough.
Few criminals consider the prison aspect of any punishment when planning a crime but I believe the prospect of losing cars, houses, money etc has a better deterrent effect - especially on those with wives and kids. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound |
"There is one group who have to pay for their keep while in prison its those who are wrongly convicted and have the conviction quashed they then have to pay part of any compensation back to help pay for the time they were there.
But those who have committed a crime pay nothing?"
It's ridiculous. There is a charity working with miscarriages of justice that ends up fighting these charges when looking at compensation. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"There is one group who have to pay for their keep while in prison its those who are wrongly convicted and have the conviction quashed they then have to pay part of any compensation back to help pay for the time they were there.
But those who have committed a crime pay nothing?
It's ridiculous. There is a charity working with miscarriages of justice that ends up fighting these charges when looking at compensation."
..... and a nice little earner it is for certain barristers. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"......But those who have committed a crime pay nothing?
Some do pay via the Proceeds of Crime stuff but it isn't enough.
Few criminals consider the prison aspect of any punishment when planning a crime but I believe the prospect of losing cars, houses, money etc has a better deterrent effect - especially on those with wives and kids."
So the sins of the father are visited on the son?
How about we penalise the person who committed the crime and not worry too much about the cost of keeping them incarcerated? Sure it has to be funded, but that's the price we have to pay to keep our society civilised. It does nobody any justice to ask the family of a criminal to settle their wayward kinsman's legal bills. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Well if we’re already confiscating the financial proceeds of criminal activity I can see some sense “where feasible ” to recover all cost born whilst gaining arrest and successful prosecution too…  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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So not what I was expecting,
I thought it was a way to drum up revenue for empty places and having some 'uniform fun'
Im unlikely to land in the cells in the near future (fx) so think why not
As it say 'criminals should pay', wrongly arressted or innocent in my mind are not criminals and hence would be excempt |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"......But those who have committed a crime pay nothing?
Some do pay via the Proceeds of Crime stuff but it isn't enough.
Few criminals consider the prison aspect of any punishment when planning a crime but I believe the prospect of losing cars, houses, money etc has a better deterrent effect - especially on those with wives and kids.
So the sins of the father are visited on the son?
How about we penalise the person who committed the crime and not worry too much about the cost of keeping them incarcerated? Sure it has to be funded, but that's the price we have to pay to keep our society civilised. It does nobody any justice to ask the family of a criminal to settle their wayward kinsman's legal bills."
The sins are only visited on the sons when they have stolen mega bucks and are living off the proceeds.
Give em a tent and tell em to get a job. |
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"There is one group who have to pay for their keep while in prison its those who are wrongly convicted and have the conviction quashed they then have to pay part of any compensation back to help pay for the time they were there.
But those who have committed a crime pay nothing?"
This cant be right, surely?
I had to read it through a few times to make sure I was getting it right... so it goes like this...
Sorry mr Bloggs for banging you up for x years for a crime we now admit you didnt commit, heres £30,000 in compo... oh, by the way, here's a bill for your stay!
Someone tell me it aint so.... jeez, I really did think I had heard it all, but this takes the fekkin biscuit! |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"......But those who have committed a crime pay nothing?
Some do pay via the Proceeds of Crime stuff but it isn't enough.
Few criminals consider the prison aspect of any punishment when planning a crime but I believe the prospect of losing cars, houses, money etc has a better deterrent effect - especially on those with wives and kids.
So the sins of the father are visited on the son? "
There was a thread a while back about boycotting The Hobbit 'cos the old Professor's son was accused of being a paedophile. The sins of the son being visited on the father seemed quite popular in some quarters.
" How about we penalise the person who committed the crime and not worry too much about the cost of keeping them incarcerated? Sure it has to be funded, but that's the price we have to pay to keep our society civilised. It does nobody any justice to ask the family of a criminal to settle their wayward kinsman's legal bills."
In Scotland at least the Proceeds of Crime money doesn't directly fund the Scottish Prison Service but pays, amongst other things, for community payback teams access to paint, brushes, ladders, dungarees etc whilst cleaning up the environment.
Penalising a criminal's family for the crime might seem harsh but I suspect I'd concentrate minds.
A small fine or a driving ban might be seen as acceptable by some. Fear of losing your home might be the punishment which makes the difference. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
Nice story from the High Court today.
Guy pled to rape expecting discount for an early guilty plea. He didn't get the reduction his defence team expected so they appealed.
The appeal was heard to today and the court increased his tariff of the grounds the original was too lenient.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In China where executions were often carried with a single gun shot to the head the criminal's family were made to pay for the bullet!
That practice was more of a symbolic statement to the populace in the main in so much as your family will forever bear the shame of having to purchase a bullet from the state with which to kill you. It had very little to do with the cost of a bullet."
I wonder if the family get to keep the bullet afterwards….!.
Seems so unfair if they don’t….  |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"In China where executions were often carried with a single gun shot to the head the criminal's family were made to pay for the bullet!
That practice was more of a symbolic statement to the populace in the main in so much as your family will forever bear the shame of having to purchase a bullet from the state with which to kill you. It had very little to do with the cost of a bullet.
I wonder if the family get to keep the bullet afterwards….!.
Seems so unfair if they don’t…. "
So long as they bear the cost of digging it out of the deceased's head. |
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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago
central scotland |
"There is one group who have to pay for their keep while in prison its those who are wrongly convicted and have the conviction quashed they then have to pay part of any compensation back to help pay for the time they were there.
But those who have committed a crime pay nothing?
This cant be right, surely?
I had to read it through a few times to make sure I was getting it right... so it goes like this...
Sorry mr Bloggs for banging you up for x years for a crime we now admit you didnt commit, heres £30,000 in compo... oh, by the way, here's a bill for your stay!
Someone tell me it aint so.... jeez, I really did think I had heard it all, but this takes the fekkin biscuit! "
It did go on and would hope it doesn't anymore, the first I knew of it was around 8 yrs ago when a guy from Cardiff was released after serving around 10 yrs for a murder he was later cleared of and was deducted nearly £40,000 from a payout of around £120,000 for what was described as living expenses and it was not aunique case. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So not what I was expecting,
I thought it was a way to drum up revenue for empty places and having some 'uniform fun'
Im unlikely to land in the cells in the near future (fx) so think why not
As it say 'criminals should pay', wrongly arressted or innocent in my mind are not criminals and hence would be excempt "
But there's the crux of it. An arrested person is not a convicted person. If we are to introduce levies for occupying a police cell then we must be prepared for the backlash of civil actions brought to court to establish whether the tarrif charged was correct if a detainee is later found to be innocent.
Only convicted criminals should be forced to pay for not only their legal costs, residential cost in HM Prisons, but also to their victims. Only the perpetrator is guilty so only he/she should pay. Or do we favour a system of rough justice where innocent people, albeit relatives of criminals, suffer for the actions of their kinsfolk? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"In China where executions were often carried with a single gun shot to the head the criminal's family were made to pay for the bullet!
That practice was more of a symbolic statement to the populace in the main in so much as your family will forever bear the shame of having to purchase a bullet from the state with which to kill you. It had very little to do with the cost of a bullet.
I wonder if the family get to keep the bullet afterwards….!.
Seems so unfair if they don’t….
So long as they bear the cost of digging it out of the deceased's head. "
Houdinis brother was executed in China. houdini caught the bullet in his teeth a s it exited |
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"In China where executions were often carried with a single gun shot to the head the criminal's family were made to pay for the bullet!
That practice was more of a symbolic statement to the populace in the main in so much as your family will forever bear the shame of having to purchase a bullet from the state with which to kill you. It had very little to do with the cost of a bullet.
I wonder if the family get to keep the bullet afterwards….!.
Seems so unfair if they don’t….
So long as they bear the cost of digging it out of the deceased's head.
Houdinis brother was executed in China. houdini caught the bullet in his teeth a s it exited"
I sometimes wonder if there was more to Houdini than history would have us believe,,,,
after-all that dude was seriously into his cuffs and restraints and gags etc… hmmm,,, |
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"In China where executions were often carried with a single gun shot to the head the criminal's family were made to pay for the bullet!
That practice was more of a symbolic statement to the populace in the main in so much as your family will forever bear the shame of having to purchase a bullet from the state with which to kill you. It had very little to do with the cost of a bullet.
I wonder if the family get to keep the bullet afterwards….!.
Seems so unfair if they don’t….
So long as they bear the cost of digging it out of the deceased's head.
Houdinis brother was executed in China. houdini caught the bullet in his teeth a s it exited
I sometimes wonder if there was more to Houdini than history would have us believe,,,,
after-all that dude was seriously into his cuffs and restraints and gags etc… hmmm,,, "
Give it time and Operation Yewtree will probably dig him up and haul him in for questioning. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"So, various proposals recently have suggested that we pay:
1) for 999 calls
2) for calls made because one injured oneself through drugs/alcohol
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lol...no, Wishy, only for "wasted" professional time - and I know sometimes there is a grey area as to whether a 999 call was necessary or not. I am just going by what I am told by family and friends who work in the NHS... how often resources are wasted when there really was no need for that; eg calling an ambulance because a guy had a cold or calling a police car to have a lift home as somebody was a bit too d*unk to walk home! Real cases! "
In my many years in 3 different county ambulance service, I attended such gems as:- a broken fingernail, ran out of tampons, toothache after a dental extraction, can't open tin of beans, 100's of "boyfriend's left me", 1000's of tiny cuts that have virtually healed by the time we got there plus many, many more complete LOB calls (load of bollocks). I've always said that these people should be charged, if both the paramedic and the receiving doctor agree that the service has been mis-used. |
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How about these frickin services do their jobs properly and not worry about the finances of it. Wouldn't that be a novel idea. "
Think your getting a tad confused ..
the vast majority of the 'frickin services' ie. the troops on the ground are doing their jobs, in often difficult and stressfull situations..
not only 'properly' but above and beyond what is expected..
thats 24/7 every day every year ..
the folks coming out with madcap ideas are usually either senior 'management' or local/national politicians..
and guess what those 'initiatives' often get in the way..
on that point its law in many countries to get out of the way of a blue light vehicle..
that would be a start..
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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Only convicted criminals should be forced to pay for not only their legal costs, residential cost in HM Prisons, but also to their victims. Only the perpetrator is guilty so only he/she should pay. Or do we favour a system of rough justice where innocent people, albeit relatives of criminals, suffer for the actions of their kinsfolk?"
I can't work up much sympathy for the relatives of convicted criminals. Why shouldn't they suffer, say homelessness or poverty, for the actions of their husband/ wife/ parent?
There are loads of people out there who suffer homelessness or poverty for no more reason than that their spouse/ parent has been struck down by ill-health. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Only convicted criminals should be forced to pay for not only their legal costs, residential cost in HM Prisons, but also to their victims. Only the perpetrator is guilty so only he/she should pay. Or do we favour a system of rough justice where innocent people, albeit relatives of criminals, suffer for the actions of their kinsfolk?
I can't work up much sympathy for the relatives of convicted criminals. Why shouldn't they suffer, say homelessness or poverty, for the actions of their husband/ wife/ parent?
There are loads of people out there who suffer homelessness or poverty for no more reason than that their spouse/ parent has been struck down by ill-health. "
Oh you fair minded little socialist! Isn't every person judged on his or her merit? What kind of security does a mother and her four children have if her spouse one day decides to go and commit a crime (let's say he has no previous but this crime looked like an easy one with no risk, but he got caught). Is it fair to make her and her children homeless?
There is often more than one victim of crime. |
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Only convicted criminals should be forced to pay for not only their legal costs, residential cost in HM Prisons, but also to their victims. Only the perpetrator is guilty so only he/she should pay. Or do we favour a system of rough justice where innocent people, albeit relatives of criminals, suffer for the actions of their kinsfolk?
I can't work up much sympathy for the relatives of convicted criminals. Why shouldn't they suffer, say homelessness or poverty, for the actions of their husband/ wife/ parent?
There are loads of people out there who suffer homelessness or poverty for no more reason than that their spouse/ parent has been struck down by ill-health. "
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"i can't work up much sympathy for the relatives of convicted criminals. Why shouldn't they suffer, say homelessness or poverty, for the actions of their husband/ wife/ parent?
There are loads of people out there who suffer homelessness or poverty for no more reason than that their spouse/ parent has been struck down by ill-health. "
and all the 'innocents' are equally that..blameless
there seems to be a huge contradiction in your thinking on this..
to 'punish' both is hardly civilised, right or decent.. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
These 'innocents' are happy enough to benefit from the financial gain derived from the drug dealing/ loan sharking/ theft/ people trafficking and seem to care little for the victims of the violence used to 'protect' their turf.
They share the benefit, why not share the punishment? |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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"These 'innocents' are happy enough to benefit from the financial gain derived from the drug dealing/ loan sharking/ theft/ people trafficking and seem to care little for the victims of the violence used to 'protect' their turf.
They share the benefit, why not share the punishment?"
Why on earth would you want to punish an innocent person for the actions of their relative? I see no logic in this and most certainly no humanity.  |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"These 'innocents' are happy enough to benefit from the financial gain derived from the drug dealing/ loan sharking/ theft/ people trafficking and seem to care little for the victims of the violence used to 'protect' their turf.
They share the benefit, why not share the punishment?Why on earth would you want to punish an innocent person for the actions of their relative? I see no logic in this and most certainly no humanity. "
As I say, they're happy enough for crime to pay for the houses, cars, homes abroad, school fees, and the rest of the lifestyle regardless of the suffering visited on the victims of their spouse's crime.
Why shouldn't they be punished when it all goes tits-up? |
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By *phroditeWoman
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"These 'innocents' are happy enough to benefit from the financial gain derived from the drug dealing/ loan sharking/ theft/ people trafficking and seem to care little for the victims of the violence used to 'protect' their turf.
They share the benefit, why not share the punishment?Why on earth would you want to punish an innocent person for the actions of their relative? I see no logic in this and most certainly no humanity.
As I say, they're happy enough for crime to pay for the houses, cars, homes abroad, school fees, and the rest of the lifestyle regardless of the suffering visited on the victims of their spouse's crime.
Why shouldn't they be punished when it all goes tits-up?"
If you are talking about people who were complicit in the crime that funds the lifestyle.. that is one thing. But other people who are genuinely unaware, innocent bystanders and arguably victims (as they will be investigated and harrassed) should not be punished. Does not make any sense. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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"These 'innocents' are happy enough to benefit from the financial gain derived from the drug dealing/ loan sharking/ theft/ people trafficking and seem to care little for the victims of the violence used to 'protect' their turf.
They share the benefit, why not share the punishment?
Why on earth would you want to punish an innocent person for the actions of their relative? I see no logic in this and most certainly no humanity.
As I say, they're happy enough for crime to pay for the houses, cars, homes abroad, school fees, and the rest of the lifestyle regardless of the suffering visited on the victims of their spouse's crime.
Why shouldn't they be punished when it all goes tits-up?If you are talking about people who were complicit in the crime that funds the lifestyle.. that is one thing. But other people who are genuinely unaware, innocent bystanders and arguably victims (as they will be investigated and harrassed) should not be punished. Does not make any sense."
If your husband has no job yet there's a new Mercedes (or two) in the driveway of your detached home, your kids are at private school and a house on the Costa del Crime you're going to struggle to claim to be a "genuinely unaware, innocent bystander". |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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"These 'innocents' are happy enough to benefit from the financial gain derived from the drug dealing/ loan sharking/ theft/ people trafficking and seem to care little for the victims of the violence used to 'protect' their turf.
They share the benefit, why not share the punishment?
Why on earth would you want to punish an innocent person for the actions of their relative? I see no logic in this and most certainly no humanity.
As I say, they're happy enough for crime to pay for the houses, cars, homes abroad, school fees, and the rest of the lifestyle regardless of the suffering visited on the victims of their spouse's crime.
Why shouldn't they be punished when it all goes tits-up?If you are talking about people who were complicit in the crime that funds the lifestyle.. that is one thing. But other people who are genuinely unaware, innocent bystanders and arguably victims (as they will be investigated and harrassed) should not be punished. Does not make any sense.
If your husband has no job yet there's a new Mercedes (or two) in the driveway of your detached home, your kids are at private school and a house on the Costa del Crime you're going to struggle to claim to be a "genuinely unaware, innocent bystander"."
No, of course not. That is why police investigations tend to look at the bigger picture. As I said if somebody is complicit... that is different. Turning a blind eye to a crime that robs other people of their belongings is as bad as committing the crime oneself and in that case I would agree with you. But only in that case |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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" No, of course not. That is why police investigations tend to look at the bigger picture. As I said if somebody is complicit... that is different. Turning a blind eye to a crime that robs other people of their belongings is as bad as committing the crime oneself and in that case I would agree with you. But only in that case "
Only where belongings are taken?
What about drug dealers, loan sharks or people traffickers?
These are not victimless crimes. |
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"I think it's a great idea!
How hard will it be to get refund if you are then found innocent?
We already pay for the cells in our taxes and is a key bit of policing."
exactly!!
I was wrongfully arrested for affray and gbh on my leaving party as I was traveling to australia for a year the next day. Went crown court and was found not guilty (self defence) and Cause I was on bail for 6 months I couldnt leave the country... Anyway point is I lost my flight money my visa money and I had planned it for over a year! I didnt even get a sorry from the police let alone the £1300 I lost. And I was worried as if found guilty I would of went prison. Never did go australia. My friend I was ment to go with is still there that was 4years ago! Could of been me. |
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"These 'innocents' are happy enough to benefit from the financial gain derived from the drug dealing/ loan sharking/ theft/ people trafficking and seem to care little for the victims of the violence used to 'protect' their turf.
They share the benefit, why not share the punishment?"
lets be honest were talking in some cases about children, under 5's, babes in arms etc..
which type of 'punishment' would you advocate to them..?
complicity is a world away from being unaware..
also taking your point of _iew about relatives etc, do you think the principle of punishing anyone who may have benefited from anyone else's 'illegal behaviour'..
being cousin's, friends etc..
maybe we should all ask everyone we know who may have an upturn in their position..??
where did you come by that..????
only a step away away to 'informing' on people 'we suspect'..
bit like the stasi.. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
"These 'innocents' are happy enough to benefit from the financial gain derived from the drug dealing/ loan sharking/ theft/ people trafficking and seem to care little for the victims of the violence used to 'protect' their turf.
They share the benefit, why not share the punishment?
lets be honest were talking in some cases about children, under 5's, babes in arms etc..
which type of 'punishment' would you advocate to them..?
complicity is a world away from being unaware..
also taking your point of _iew about relatives etc, do you think the principle of punishing anyone who may have benefited from anyone else's 'illegal behaviour'..
being cousin's, friends etc..
maybe we should all ask everyone we know who may have an upturn in their position..??
where did you come by that..????
only a step away away to 'informing' on people 'we suspect'..
bit like the stasi.."
Being a criminal is a choice. Any punishment would be entirely the fault of whoever perpetrated the crime.
Maybe the notion that their child might suffer would put some people off offending.
Maybe it'd be enough to convince some mothers to talk their husbands out of a life of crime.
Maybe it'd stop them being happy to have assets transfered into their name in an attempt to avoid seizure.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think it's a great idea!"
..yes its a great idea NOT,why don't Britain just stop paying Brussels 52 million a day and stop fucking bleeding this country dry so some other country can have there roads re built while our roads are fucked.
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By (user no longer on site)
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The police in Hertfordshire are not commenting. The suggestion comes from one of the newly elected police commissioners. You know, the folk no one bothered to vote for.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9780607/Criminals-should-pay-for-a-night-in-police-cells.html
Thanks for posting the link (I don't know how to do that).
I have just thought it might be his way of covering his £80k a year salary. I wasn't clear whwere the budget had come from for these new posts so maybe they all have income generation targets?"
There sole remit is to reduce costs. Or more cynically generate more profits for G4S.
The gut has admitted that he doesn't know whether such a proposal is even legal and has no idea how it would work. reminds be of Boris and the unworkable bollocks he spouts in order to ensure he continues to appear in the public eye. |
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"Free bed, breakfast and evening meal at our expense for committing a crime? Hmm let me think? Hell yeah they should pay to cover costs.
Just my opinion and I have my la la ear plugs in! "
Key point is innocent till proven guilty. |
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By *phroditeWoman
over a year ago
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"These 'innocents' are happy enough to benefit from the financial gain derived from the drug dealing/ loan sharking/ theft/ people trafficking and seem to care little for the victims of the violence used to 'protect' their turf.
They share the benefit, why not share the punishment?
lets be honest were talking in some cases about children, under 5's, babes in arms etc..
which type of 'punishment' would you advocate to them..?
complicity is a world away from being unaware..
also taking your point of _iew about relatives etc, do you think the principle of punishing anyone who may have benefited from anyone else's 'illegal behaviour'..
being cousin's, friends etc..
maybe we should all ask everyone we know who may have an upturn in their position..??
where did you come by that..????
only a step away away to 'informing' on people 'we suspect'..
bit like the stasi.."
Quite agree |
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Maybe the notion that their child might suffer would put some people off offending.
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presumably you would apply this notion to the children of ALL persons convicted of criminal behaviour, be that where financial 'gain' is involved or otherwise...? |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
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Maybe the notion that their child might suffer would put some people off offending.
presumably you would apply this notion to the children of ALL persons convicted of criminal behaviour, be that where financial 'gain' is involved or otherwise...? "
Yes. I could live with that. If it reduces crime, I can't see a problem. |
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Maybe the notion that their child might suffer would put some people off offending.
presumably you would apply this notion to the children of ALL persons convicted of criminal behaviour, be that where financial 'gain' is involved or otherwise...?
Yes. I could live with that. If it reduces crime, I can't see a problem."
i dont think you have actually thought your position through on this..
had you done so you would see that its nonsensical frankly..
bit like the bloke who suggested it.. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
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Maybe the notion that their child might suffer would put some people off offending.
presumably you would apply this notion to the children of ALL persons convicted of criminal behaviour, be that where financial 'gain' is involved or otherwise...?
Yes. I could live with that. If it reduces crime, I can't see a problem.
i dont think you have actually thought your position through on this..
had you done so you would see that its nonsensical frankly..
bit like the bloke who suggested it.."
Why, specifically, is it nonsensical? |
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Maybe the notion that their child might suffer would put some people off offending.
presumably you would apply this notion to the children of ALL persons convicted of criminal behaviour, be that where financial 'gain' is involved or otherwise...?
Yes. I could live with that. If it reduces crime, I can't see a problem.
i dont think you have actually thought your position through on this..
had you done so you would see that its nonsensical frankly..
bit like the bloke who suggested it..
Why, specifically, is it nonsensical?"
your advocating a policy across the board whereby the children of those convicted of 'criminality' are also punished in some way or other..
look at the broad spectrum of what may and does lead to a conviction, some yes with intent but a percentage which is'nt..
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
Glasgow |
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Maybe the notion that their child might suffer would put some people off offending.
presumably you would apply this notion to the children of ALL persons convicted of criminal behaviour, be that where financial 'gain' is involved or otherwise...?
Yes. I could live with that. If it reduces crime, I can't see a problem.
i dont think you have actually thought your position through on this..
had you done so you would see that its nonsensical frankly..
bit like the bloke who suggested it..
Why, specifically, is it nonsensical?
your advocating a policy across the board whereby the children of those convicted of 'criminality' are also punished in some way or other..
look at the broad spectrum of what may and does lead to a conviction, some yes with intent but a percentage which is'nt..
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I said in my reply 'If it reduces crime'.
I don't believe for one minute the fear that a child might be punished would have any effect, for example, on d*unken brawlers outside the pub but it might, just might, colour someone's decision about dealing drugs or loan sharking. |
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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago
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"How many of you moaning gits have been arrested wrongfully??"
I have and spent Friday till Monday in the cells it never went to court and I was never told it wasn't going to court and didnt know till I enquired almost a year later then no explanation never mind an apology, mind you I think I got off lightly as they never did send me the bill for my weekend accomadation. |
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"How many of you moaning gits have been arrested wrongfully??
I have and spent Friday till Monday in the cells it never went to court and I was never told it wasn't going to court and didnt know till I enquired almost a year later then no explanation never mind an apology, mind you I think I got off lightly as they never did send me the bill for my weekend accomadation."
yeah its not nice.... Thats nothing compared to mine tho! Pissed myself off thinking about it now lol |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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Just a wee aside.
A while back Strathclyde's Finest parked a line up of expensive cars in George Sq (middle of Glasgow).
They had, we were told, been seized under the proceeds of crime initiative and would be sold to raise money for the purposes I detailed above.
It transpires none were actually sold and were handed back to their rightful owners - usually finance companies.
A PR stunt gone badly wrong. |
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over a year ago
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"Free bed, breakfast and evening meal at our expense for committing a crime? Hmm let me think? Hell yeah they should pay to cover costs.
Just my opinion and I have my la la ear plugs in! "
I got arrested the other day for nothing.. I pay taxes too.. So your saying i should have to pay double?? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"How many of you moaning gits have been arrested wrongfully??"
Everybody in here is innocent.. Thought you knew that.. Lawyer fucked me haha..
Shawshank redemption.. Had to be done.. |
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By *icketysplits OP Woman
over a year ago
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Maybe the notion that their child might suffer would put some people off offending.
presumably you would apply this notion to the children of ALL persons convicted of criminal behaviour, be that where financial 'gain' is involved or otherwise...?
Yes. I could live with that. If it reduces crime, I can't see a problem.
i dont think you have actually thought your position through on this..
had you done so you would see that its nonsensical frankly..
bit like the bloke who suggested it..
Why, specifically, is it nonsensical?
your advocating a policy across the board whereby the children of those convicted of 'criminality' are also punished in some way or other..
look at the broad spectrum of what may and does lead to a conviction, some yes with intent but a percentage which is'nt..
I said in my reply 'If it reduces crime'.
I don't believe for one minute the fear that a child might be punished would have any effect, for example, on d*unken brawlers outside the pub but it might, just might, colour someone's decision about dealing drugs or loan sharking."
Families are badly affected when a relative is arrested, convicted and sent to prison. They pay. I've met children living with the consequences of being related to a criminal. |
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By *nnyMan
over a year ago
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Some families are badly affected when a relative is arrested, convicted and sent to prison.
Others continue to live the life to which they've become accustomed through the proceeds of crime. |
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over a year ago
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"I think it's a great idea!
How hard will it be to get refund if you are then found innocent?
We already pay for the cells in our taxes and is a key bit of policing.
exactly!!
I was wrongfully arrested for affray and gbh on my leaving party as I was traveling to australia for a year the next day. Went crown court and was found not guilty (self defence) and Cause I was on bail for 6 months I couldnt leave the country... Anyway point is I lost my flight money my visa money and I had planned it for over a year! I didnt even get a sorry from the police let alone the £1300 I lost. And I was worried as if found guilty I would of went prison. Never did go australia. My friend I was ment to go with is still there that was 4years ago! Could of been me. "
Wonder if I would of ever ended up on a site like this if I did go oz..... Prob not I imagine |
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By *acreadCouple
over a year ago
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"How many of you moaning gits have been arrested wrongfully??
I have and spent Friday till Monday in the cells it never went to court and I was never told it wasn't going to court and didnt know till I enquired almost a year later then no explanation never mind an apology, mind you I think I got off lightly as they never did send me the bill for my weekend accomadation."
Forgot to mention the days wages lost for the Monday. |
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"How many of you moaning gits have been arrested wrongfully??
I have and spent Friday till Monday in the cells it never went to court and I was never told it wasn't going to court and didnt know till I enquired almost a year later then no explanation never mind an apology, mind you I think I got off lightly as they never did send me the bill for my weekend accomadation.
Forgot to mention the days wages lost for the Monday."
oh my god good point |
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"I think it's a great idea!
How hard will it be to get refund if you are then found innocent?
We already pay for the cells in our taxes and is a key bit of policing.
exactly!!
I was wrongfully arrested for affray and gbh on my leaving party as I was traveling to australia for a year the next day. Went crown court and was found not guilty (self defence) and Cause I was on bail for 6 months I couldnt leave the country... Anyway point is I lost my flight money my visa money and I had planned it for over a year! I didnt even get a sorry from the police let alone the £1300 I lost. And I was worried as if found guilty I would of went prison. Never did go australia. My friend I was ment to go with is still there that was 4years ago! Could of been me.
Wonder if I would of ever ended up on a site like this if I did go oz..... Prob not I imagine "
I forgot to mention I left my job to go australia and spent a couple of weeks finding a new one! |
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