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With the tens of thousands of UK deaths every year, due to airborne pollution, plus many serious illnesses, disabilities arising, including dementia, would you support a ban on wood burning heating, where people have other energy sources at home?
The majority of Londoners polled support abolition. |
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"With the tens of thousands of UK deaths every year, due to airborne pollution, plus many serious illnesses, disabilities arising, including dementia, would you support a ban on wood burning heating, where people have other energy sources at home?
The majority of Londoners polled support abolition. "
When Londoners give up their 4x4’s and multi car households with the best transport network in the Uk I might give up my one wood burner.. |
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By *ee04Man
over a year ago
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Can’t beat a real fire and as the countries biggest power station is mainly wood burning (look up dead power station) probably puts out in a day the equivalent of what all the wood burners in private homes in the uk in a year.
So everytime you boil you electric kettle or turn your tv think about the pollution from Drax |
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over a year ago
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"With the tens of thousands of UK deaths every year, due to airborne pollution, plus many serious illnesses, disabilities arising, including dementia, would you support a ban on wood burning heating, where people have other energy sources at home?
The majority of Londoners polled support abolition.
When Londoners give up their 4x4’s and multi car households with the best transport network in the Uk I might give up my one wood burner.."
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By *ee04Man
over a year ago
Thurrock |
"Can’t beat a real fire and as the countries biggest power station is mainly wood burning (look up dead power station) probably puts out in a day the equivalent of what all the wood burners in private homes in the uk in a year.
So everytime you boil you electric kettle or turn your tv think about the pollution from Drax"
Sorry auto correct kicked in Drax is the power station 72 train loads of wood pellets a week. They have to come from USA and Canada 2300 tonnes unloaded every hour at Immingham. |
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By *imbo59seMan
over a year ago
North Norfolk |
"Londoners can do what they want with wood burners in London but they can fuck off telling me what to do in rural West Dorset. "
You can add Norfolk as well!
Can't get mains gas supply, have an oil fired boiler and a wood burner (the ashes are good for the garden too)  |
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By *vilgasamWoman
over a year ago
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Absolutely not! The civilian is not in the slightest responsible for the amount of pollution, that would be the giant companies who refuse to be held accountable
Punishing the public repeatedly isn’t ok anymore, we’ve learned the past few years how little it takes to reduce the pollution, lockdown did that by removing what is unnecessary, odd how it all came back when the economy opened up again
Place the blame where it belongs, not on civilians who are just trying to survive |
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Nope.
Humans have been burning wood for centuries to keep warm and cook.
Get rid of fossil fuels and huge companies pouring millions of tonnes of crap out into the environment.
Trees can be replaced as long as they are used in a sustainable way.
Once the fossil fuels are all gone we have to turn to nuclear…
That’s the scary truth unless we harness more solar and wind and various other natural methods. |
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"Wood has been burnt to keep us alive and warm since cavemen. good luck with stopping it.
What was the average life expectancy in the Bronze age?"
Really??
You’re going to compare life expectancy from back then till now and make out it’s due to burning wood??
Nothing to do with modern healthcare, vaccinations, medicines and the such….
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By *ee04Man
over a year ago
Thurrock |
Also Drax is classed as renewable energy because the carbon has only been locked in the trees for average 30 years.
So what’s renewable for government figures is renewable for my living room. |
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By *.T.Man
over a year ago
Belfast |
Yet again the Govt chasing the Green agenda apply a policy which isn't thought through and hits the poorest the hardest.
Ground source heat pumps are great if you have the ground to put them in and the increased electricity to run them isn't also charging your teeny tiny eco car.
A wood burner is a lot less polluting than my oil fired boiler, and there's no way the imfrastructure in in place for me to go all electric.
Log burners may be seen as trendy, but for some they are a vital source of heat when the cost of everything has spiralled.
Obviously the Governments answer will be to tax the fuck out of everything polluting that the average household needs to survive, then when we're all in electric cars and using ground source heat pumps, tax the fuck out of electricity to recover that lost revenue stream. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Mark this down as something that is not going to happen. A wood burner or open fire is part of the energy mix. And I absolutely love sitting in the lounge watching the fire burn. |
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"Wood has been burnt to keep us alive and warm since cavemen. good luck with stopping it.
What was the average life expectancy in the Bronze age?
Really??
You’re going to compare life expectancy from back then till now and make out it’s due to burning wood??
Nothing to do with modern healthcare, vaccinations, medicines and the such….
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Yeah I think you missed the point! Suggesting burning wood is fine because it was used by cavemen isn't really much of an argument, is it? |
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Deflection perhaps by whomever carried out the survey, asking the population of the most polluted city in the country by vehicle emissions with one of the smallest number (allegedly) of log burner use about banning the latter?
And the high number of deaths due to particulates in the capital has been the case long before the rise in log burners yet it's only used as a tax raising scam by all the mayor's so far..
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"Londoners can do what they want with wood burners in London but they can fuck off telling me what to do in rural West Dorset. "
This! those of us outside of the M25 don't have self righteous over importance and an extra layer of ego to keep us worm  |
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"Wood has been burnt to keep us alive and warm since cavemen. good luck with stopping it.
What was the average life expectancy in the Bronze age?
Really??
You’re going to compare life expectancy from back then till now and make out it’s due to burning wood??
Nothing to do with modern healthcare, vaccinations, medicines and the such….
Yeah I think you missed the point! Suggesting burning wood is fine because it was used by cavemen isn't really much of an argument, is it? "
I said. Good luck with stopping people trying burning wood. I think you missed my point.  |
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By *arkus1812Man
over a year ago
Lifes departure lounge NN9 Northamptonshire East not West MidlandsMidlands |
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The majority of Londoners polled support abolition.
When Londoners give up their 4x4’s and multi car households with the best transport network in the Uk I might give up my one wood burner.."
Totally agree |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Nobody likes a self sufficient population. I imagine it might get a bit grim if we all had to start burning coal again to keep warm, but there must be a backlog of masks in a bunker somewhere we can get through. |
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By *eenawMan
over a year ago
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"With the tens of thousands of UK deaths every year, due to airborne pollution, plus many serious illnesses, disabilities arising, including dementia, would you support a ban on wood burning heating, where people have other energy sources at home?
The majority of Londoners polled support abolition. "
Absolutely not! |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I think most people outside London will give this the same response that Londoners would if the proposal was to ban second home use in rural and coastal areas by those in the capital.."
I would back that ban! |
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Well it’s London today, it will be coming to a city near you.
A bit like low emission or clean air zones.
Want people to freeze to death to save the planet? They certainly can’t Afford to be put their gas central heating on.
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"With the tens of thousands of UK deaths every year, due to airborne pollution, plus many serious illnesses, disabilities arising, including dementia, would you support a ban on wood burning heating, where people have other energy sources at home?
The majority of Londoners polled support abolition. "
I'd say that there are far more worrying pollution problems than the relatively small number of households with woodburners.
Industrial pollution that largely goes unnoticed by huge profit making companies.
Countries such as China that seem to think very little if pollution.
Even at a local level, people driving cars that are far too big for the towns and cities they are in and they simply do not need.
Woodburners are a drop in the ocean.
And no, I do nut use a Woodburner.. |
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"Wood has been burnt to keep us alive and warm since cavemen. good luck with stopping it.
What was the average life expectancy in the Bronze age?
Really??
You’re going to compare life expectancy from back then till now and make out it’s due to burning wood??
Nothing to do with modern healthcare, vaccinations, medicines and the such….
Yeah I think you missed the point! Suggesting burning wood is fine because it was used by cavemen isn't really much of an argument, is it? "
No. I think you’ve missed the point.
Burning wood was a mainstay of energy and warmth and cooking long before we drilled for oil and mined for coal and decided fracking was a good idea and put up nuclear power plants.
To suggest it was a direct correlation to life expectancy rates is just completely off the point.
Nothing whatsoever to do with burning wood. |
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By *ough75Man
over a year ago
edinburgh/bakewell/derby |
Yeah ban the least controlled fuel source that all us forestry contractor’s actually pay out tax on and make folks more dependent on fossil fuels great idea
Yeah a city like London should be smokeless
But rural areas log burners in shed etc
Uk is banning it
Other country’s still in the EU are subsidising installation or even making them a legal requirement in certain locations with a baxk boiler to provide central heating as secondary source of heating |
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"Wood has been burnt to keep us alive and warm since cavemen. good luck with stopping it.
What was the average life expectancy in the Bronze age?
Really??
You’re going to compare life expectancy from back then till now and make out it’s due to burning wood??
Nothing to do with modern healthcare, vaccinations, medicines and the such….
Yeah I think you missed the point! Suggesting burning wood is fine because it was used by cavemen isn't really much of an argument, is it?
I said. Good luck with stopping people trying burning wood. I think you missed my point. "
Everyone missed the point! Hurrah  |
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"Wood has been burnt to keep us alive and warm since cavemen. good luck with stopping it.
What was the average life expectancy in the Bronze age?
Really??
You’re going to compare life expectancy from back then till now and make out it’s due to burning wood??
Nothing to do with modern healthcare, vaccinations, medicines and the such….
Yeah I think you missed the point! Suggesting burning wood is fine because it was used by cavemen isn't really much of an argument, is it?
I said. Good luck with stopping people trying burning wood. I think you missed my point.
Everyone missed the point! Hurrah "
Ban wood burners got three points.
Ban wood burners
Ban wood burners |
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"Yeah ban the least controlled fuel source that all us forestry contractor’s actually pay out tax on and make folks more dependent on fossil fuels great idea
Yeah a city like London should be smokeless
But rural areas log burners in shed etc
Uk is banning it
Other country’s still in the EU are subsidising installation or even making them a legal requirement in certain locations with a baxk boiler to provide central heating as secondary source of heating "
I have a back boiler in mine, oooodles of piping hot water. |
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"Absolutely not! The civilian is not in the slightest responsible for the amount of pollution, that would be the giant companies who refuse to be held accountable
Punishing the public repeatedly isn’t ok anymore, we’ve learned the past few years how little it takes to reduce the pollution, lockdown did that by removing what is unnecessary, odd how it all came back when the economy opened up again
Place the blame where it belongs, not on civilians who are just trying to survive "
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With afterburners fitted to modern log burners the vast majority of particulate matter (which is what damages your lungs) is consumed leading to two by-products being ejected from the chimney; water vapour and carbon dioxide.
So carbon dioxide is bad mm’kay? Well yes but consider the following:
On average burning wood produces 0.008kg of co2 p/kWh
Gas produces 0.197kg of co2 p/kWh
Electricity produces 0.517kg p/kWh
A typical car produces 4.6 metric tons of co2 per year
So if the particulate matter from wood burning is reduced (through afterburners) and is the most co2 efficient of all energy production, why should it be banned?
Ah yes, because the power companies (who lobby the government) don’t like you to heat your house relatively cheaply compared to their service.
P.s. I never get invited to parties  |
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"With afterburners fitted to modern log burners the vast majority of particulate matter (which is what damages your lungs) is consumed leading to two by-products being ejected from the chimney; water vapour and carbon dioxide.
So carbon dioxide is bad mm’kay? Well yes but consider the following:
On average burning wood produces 0.008kg of co2 p/kWh
Gas produces 0.197kg of co2 p/kWh
Electricity produces 0.517kg p/kWh
A typical car produces 4.6 metric tons of co2 per year
So if the particulate matter from wood burning is reduced (through afterburners) and is the most co2 efficient of all energy production, why should it be banned?
Ah yes, because the power companies (who lobby the government) don’t like you to heat your house relatively cheaply compared to their service.
P.s. I never get invited to parties "
Bravo!!!
An articulate and well presented argument. |
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And don’t worry about parties.
All people do is stand around with glasses of sherbet discussing wood burners and little fire pits in peoples back yards while missing out on the bigger issues because they can’t or won’t make do without their luxury BMW’s or Range Rovers to keep up with the Jones’s. |
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The ban isnt needed if anything its down to the user to check what there stoves are doing.
You can still be fined for smoke coming out of your chimney when you lower your burn rate too low where your chimney starts smoking
comes under smoke nuisance
My advice when fitting wood stoves is to tell customers to check there flues during the day. As a test time to find the best position so it dosnt send smoke up a chimney.
A note here secondary air stoves can smoke if you have reduced them too low.
If you dont check your chimney its going to be no excuse if someone videos your chimney smoking and you will get a fine. |
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over a year ago
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It's how people heated their homes in the past with the rise of health issues I doubt that wood burners are to blame I'd go more along the line of chemical's being used on food and water supplies along with radiation from tech being the main reasons, so banning wood burners will do next to nothing to reduce the issue, especially the ev vehicle manufacturing causing more pollution then it will solve |
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Ban them - ban them now!!!
We can all use electric then .
Oh wait …. we don’t have enough electric here in the Uk . Let’s rely on that great big electric cable from Sweden ( fuel from a wood powered generator). All that mined copper to make the cable and energy to smelt and make it - don’t worry about that !
Brush that equation aside for now.
Oh and the ‘ pipe ‘ from France, edf . Mostly nuclear derived. What could possibly go wrong , right on our doorstep . Nuclear waste, oh don’t worry about that either- our kids will deal with that in the future. Forgot that for now.
Let’s import more wood pellets from halfway round the world from Canada for our power stations too , after all it only apparently uses more power to harvest , process them into pellets and ship them over here than they ever release.
Don’t worry about those statistics - forgot them for now as well.
Let’s open a few more coal power stations of our own and ship in South African coal again. Let’s manufacture and cover all the countryside in solar farms. (Much easier than putting them on houses and factories).
We didn’t need them fields anyway. Dastardly farmers using them for something or other. Probably racing around them in their new range rovers! Surely we can get rid of them farmers soon !
We’ll import more food from third world countries. They can easily chop a bit more of that green forestry thing down to plant food for us. There that was easily solved.
Oh and mine more lithium for storage batteries. There- that’s sorted too !!
We’ve just immediately thrown a bucket of water on our woodburner to put it out instantly ,and that bit of wood in our wood basket that we collected last year from windblown twigs and branches from within a hundred yards of our house -wood that has been drying in our shed for the past twelve months . Well we’ve just taken it out of the house , we couldn’t bare to see it any longer and the silly irresponsible errors of our ways !!! It only heated our whole house, all our hot water and boil our kettle.
Phew thank goodness for politicians to show us the errors of our ways! Politicians traveling into London every day on a train weighing hundreds and hundreds of tonnes hurtling through the countryside! Forgot those energy requirement statistics - it’s far too complicated for now!!
Not fast enough apparently so they’re building another faster one so they can get to London to invent more planet saving ideas even quicker ! We’re saved , hallelujah !
A railway with no stations on it from start to finish- who’d of thought of that ! What a brilliant idea ! ( Oh wait it’s not going to reach London now! ) hmmm?
Crikey - we’ve rushed to turn the electric heaters on- only about 20 kw , the kettle on 3kw and the immersion-3.5 kw right now!
( Oh and we’ve broken the ‘law ‘too. Did you spot it) … no …we said ‘ yards’ !!
Oh no- what irresponsible adults we’ve become- quick- send for the weights and measures police !!!
Aarrgggh !!! |
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"Alcohol causes more dementia so ban the tax "
Frankly, I wouldn't say no to more restriction on the access to alcohol. Liver disease due to alcohol use is one of the leading causes of mortality in this country now. |
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"Until we address the elephant in the room which is population control then anything you do to “save the planet” is simply pissing into the wind. "
The population problem is being addressed in more subtle ways than you might think.
They are working on more and more ways of reducing the will to live. |
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Don’t worry the next global war that is overdue will rebalance the population books for sure.
In reality the planet is not overpopulated its certain societies are overpopulated and consume more than they need to survive. First world living right |
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The other thing is, what the hell else are we supposed to do with all the wood?
Banning wood burners won't stop it growing. I spend huge amounts of my gardening year cutting it down and then cutting it up again. At the moment it's is nearly all given away to wood burning and barbecue owning friends. |
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"The other thing is, what the hell else are we supposed to do with all the wood?
Banning wood burners won't stop it growing. I spend huge amounts of my gardening year cutting it down and then cutting it up again. At the moment it's is nearly all given away to wood burning and barbecue owning friends."
Let it biodegrade naturally, which is what it's supposed to do! If there's big bits in the way, get them turned into wood chips and then can be spread on the ground to biodegrade. Owners of animals like chickens would always be grateful for wood chip too. |
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"With the tens of thousands of UK deaths every year, due to airborne pollution, plus many serious illnesses, disabilities arising, including dementia, would you support a ban on wood burning heating, where people have other energy sources at home?
The majority of Londoners polled support abolition. "
Ask people who haven't got something if it should be banned and of course they will agree. Having a log burner is not killing anything, other than the spiders in your chimney!
Run a poll that asks 'should we ban ferraris, or champagne, or people living in castles and you will get the same answer!
Run a separate poll asking if we should ban selfie taking, or grey joggers and you will get a different response lol
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The problem with the poll is that most people in London do not have Wood Burners. Mary Poppjns is make believe ….. sorry.
People with wood burners/open fires will say no to a ban. People who don’t have this form of heating will probably say yes to a ban as it doesn’t affect them. |
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"Until we address the elephant in the room which is population control then anything you do to “save the planet” is simply pissing into the wind. "
Absolutely couldn't of said it better myself |
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Unfortunately, population control or adjustment is the answer. No matter how much each individual recycles or reduces their consumption of stuff, the ever increasing number of people still results on increased use of resources.
We need the level of investment to convert vast areas of the planet into productive land that simply does not exist. And all the while we are using more limited resources every day.
Sorry to sound defeatist but recycling your rubbish and buying a Tesla actually does fuck all towards saving the planet. |
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