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By *bi HaiveMan
over a year ago
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"Has anyone been called up for Jury Service?
I’ve been called up ?
Can anyone enlightened me  "
Enlighten you as to what? They send all the info out when toure called don't they? 
Try here if you have questions.
https://www.gov.uk/jury-service
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I hope I'm never called. I would do everything within my control to get out of doing it. I don't have faith in the justice system hence I don't want to play any part in it. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Has anyone been called up for Jury Service?
I’ve been called up ?
Can anyone enlightened me
Enlighten you as to what? They send all the info out when toure called don't they?
Try here if you have questions.
https://www.gov.uk/jury-service
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"I hope I'm never called. I would do everything within my control to get out of doing it. I don't have faith in the justice system hence I don't want to play any part in it."
Break the law. Automatically disqualified.
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Has anyone been called up for Jury Service?
I’ve been called up ?
Can anyone enlightened me "
Guilty or not guilty. Based on the evidence you may here. Can't be any simpler really  |
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By *I TwoCouple
over a year ago
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"I hope I'm never called. I would do everything within my control to get out of doing it. I don't have faith in the justice system hence I don't want to play any part in it."
Surely taking part is the only way you can make it right lol |
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"I hope I'm never called. I would do everything within my control to get out of doing it. I don't have faith in the justice system hence I don't want to play any part in it."
If you don’t have any faith then surely the best thing is to turn up and do what _you_ believe is right when faced with the facts? That way you can at least have faith in the bit you have been involved. |
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"I hope I'm never called. I would do everything within my control to get out of doing it. I don't have faith in the justice system hence I don't want to play any part in it.
If you don’t have any faith then surely the best thing is to turn up and do what _you_ believe is right when faced with the facts? That way you can at least have faith in the bit you have been involved."
I'd have thought the same. If everyone tries to get out of jury service, there'd be no trials able to take place..... |
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I sat on a jury some years ago. It was causing an affray, grevious bodily harm, etc. Two things I remember in particular.
1. When waiting in the jury room during the trial we discussed the progress and agreed there were questions we jurers wanted asked which neither the prosecution or defence asked. We wrote these down and gave them to the court official. He gave them to the Judge, who thanked us, and asked the questions for us. It clarified matters very well.
2. One guy, the ring leader, was sentenced to a total of 15 years. When the Judge said that it sent shivers down my spine. Jurors are responsible for serious decisions with far reaching implications. Concentrate, think about the evidence and do your very best to reach a good decision. |
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I believe you can defer if work requires you are kept around. My old workplace did that. I did the service but was not chosen to actually sit on the jury. You can be chosen to enter court and then from that group, sit on the actual jury. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Has anyone been called up for Jury Service?
I’ve been called up ?
Can anyone enlightened me "
I was twice , absolutely hated it, twas the last place l wanted to be,never ever wanted to be inside a courthouse door good bad or indifferent. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Has anyone been called up for Jury Service?
I’ve been called up ?
Can anyone enlightened me
I was twice , absolutely hated it, twas the last place l wanted to be,never ever wanted to be inside a courthouse door good bad or indifferent."
Why is that? |
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"I hope I'm never called. I would do everything within my control to get out of doing it. I don't have faith in the justice system hence I don't want to play any part in it."
all you have to do is pretend you can't read from the card at the point of being sworn in.
I saw it done once. The guy was sent home there and then. |
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I was called up for it ,when we were getting ready to swear in ,I passed a slip of paper to the usher stating that I knew the defendant ,I was taken back to the jury room and informed I wouldn’t be able to be juror for the trial plus must not attend court again .I stayed home and got my jury service money |
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"I hope I'm never called. I would do everything within my control to get out of doing it. I don't have faith in the justice system hence I don't want to play any part in it.
all you have to do is pretend you can't read from the card at the point of being sworn in.
I saw it done once. The guy was sent home there and then."
But of course lying to a crown court judge would never be good advice.  |
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I've been calling twice. But haven't been able to due to work.
I'm a chef. And both times I've been called, it was extremely understaffed. A letter from an employer stating anything to that effect will get you out of it easy enough. |
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"I was called up for it ,when we were getting ready to swear in ,I passed a slip of paper to the usher stating that I knew the defendant ,I was taken back to the jury room and informed I wouldn’t be able to be juror for the trial plus must not attend court again .I stayed home and got my jury service money "
This is obviously extremely helpful to the national interest  |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"Has anyone been called up for Jury Service?
I’ve been called up ?
Can anyone enlightened me
Enlighten you as to what? They send all the info out when toure called don't they?
Try here if you have questions.
https://www.gov.uk/jury-service
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Personal experience maybe? |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"I was called up for it ,when we were getting ready to swear in ,I passed a slip of paper to the usher stating that I knew the defendant ,I was taken back to the jury room and informed I wouldn’t be able to be juror for the trial plus must not attend court again .I stayed home and got my jury service money "
Didn't they just put you on a different one? Once one trial finished we got sent back into the holding area until the you got called for the next one. |
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"I hope I'm never called. I would do everything within my control to get out of doing it. I don't have faith in the justice system hence I don't want to play any part in it."
Got called up more than a decade ago but managed to get out of it. My numbers never come up again since. Thankfully!
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Has anyone been called up for Jury Service?
I’ve been called up ?
Can anyone enlightened me
I was twice , absolutely hated it, twas the last place l wanted to be,never ever wanted to be inside a courthouse door good bad or indifferent.
Why is that?"
Just wasn't for me , l hated everything about the place. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Has anyone been called up for Jury Service?
I’ve been called up ?
Can anyone enlightened me "
Once your selected, the send a flying saucer that beams you up and takes you to the court on the day of the trial.
Until the trial is over you will be returned via same method. Hope this helps.
P.S it helps to beam you up easier if you adopt a pose of floppy crucifixion bending backwards. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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If someone was on trial for a serious offence and the evidence pointed towards him/she being guilty I would go with that. However if it was someone who I felt stole something to provide for his or her family I wouldn't have the heart to send them to prison. |
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"If someone was on trial for a serious offence and the evidence pointed towards him/she being guilty I would go with that. However if it was someone who I felt stole something to provide for his or her family I wouldn't have the heart to send them to prison. "
The jury don’t decide the sentences Colin, just guilt or innocence. |
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By *evonrobMan
over a year ago
Kingsbridge |
"I hope I'm never called. I would do everything within my control to get out of doing it. I don't have faith in the justice system hence I don't want to play any part in it."
I’ve actually done it and I came away with my faith in justice adjudicated by members of the public on a jury being significantly strengthened. It did feel a bit like “12 Angry men” at times but I was amazed at the wide spectrum of my fellow jurors and their absolute dedication to doing the job properly and getting a just result for both accused and alleged victim. It’s what sets democracies apart from autocracies and I think we should be very proud of it. Whether the actual administration of the justice is efficient is another matter, and we certainly lack in that area I agree. I think I’m trying to suggest that if you get the chance you should regard it as a privilege and embrace it warts and all. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"If someone was on trial for a serious offence and the evidence pointed towards him/she being guilty I would go with that. However if it was someone who I felt stole something to provide for his or her family I wouldn't have the heart to send them to prison.
The jury don’t decide the sentences Colin, just guilt or innocence. "
I know |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I hope I'm never called. I would do everything within my control to get out of doing it. I don't have faith in the justice system hence I don't want to play any part in it."
You get called up, doesn’t mean you get picked |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I hope I'm never called. I would do everything within my control to get out of doing it. I don't have faith in the justice system hence I don't want to play any part in it.
You get called up, doesn’t mean you get picked"
Yes I know. I do hope they will pick me. If I don’t get picked that means I could go home ? |
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"If someone was on trial for a serious offence and the evidence pointed towards him/she being guilty I would go with that. However if it was someone who I felt stole something to provide for his or her family I wouldn't have the heart to send them to prison. "
It is a hard choice sometimes but juries in criminal cases just decide guilt or innocence.
You have a civic and moral duty to do your duty fairly and honestly, whatever the reason for mitigation is. |
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By *ogo1189Man
over a year ago
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"I hope I'm never called. I would do everything within my control to get out of doing it. I don't have faith in the justice system hence I don't want to play any part in it.
If you don’t have any faith then surely the best thing is to turn up and do what _you_ believe is right when faced with the facts? That way you can at least have faith in the bit you have been involved."
It’s not that simple. The judge asks the jury to leave at certain points so that certain facts and points of law can be “approved” before they are shown to the jury
It’s like watching mum and dad decide something needs to be discussed which isn’t fit for Children’s ears
Juries are unwittingly the legitimate face of an illegitimate system |
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By *ogo1189Man
over a year ago
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"I hope I'm never called. I would do everything within my control to get out of doing it. I don't have faith in the justice system hence I don't want to play any part in it.
I’ve actually done it and I came away with my faith in justice adjudicated by members of the public on a jury being significantly strengthened. It did feel a bit like “12 Angry men” at times but I was amazed at the wide spectrum of my fellow jurors and their absolute dedication to doing the job properly and getting a just result for both accused and alleged victim. It’s what sets democracies apart from autocracies and I think we should be very proud of it. Whether the actual administration of the justice is efficient is another matter, and we certainly lack in that area I agree. I think I’m trying to suggest that if you get the chance you should regard it as a privilege and embrace it warts and all."
I agree with this. Charade or not. It doesn’t always pan out in the way certain people expect
The XR judgement following the shell incident is a great example
The judge told the jury they couldn’t find them not guilty. The jury rightfully understood that it wasn’t his decision to make and found them not guilty anyway
There are such things as political trials and thank god for juries in those instances. It’s why the government are trying to further restrict access to juries but they should be protected at all costs
It’s weird that other countries have more respect for the Magna Carta than we do |
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"I hope I'm never called. I would do everything within my control to get out of doing it. I don't have faith in the justice system hence I don't want to play any part in it.
I’ve actually done it and I came away with my faith in justice adjudicated by members of the public on a jury being significantly strengthened. It did feel a bit like “12 Angry men” at times but I was amazed at the wide spectrum of my fellow jurors and their absolute dedication to doing the job properly and getting a just result for both accused and alleged victim. It’s what sets democracies apart from autocracies and I think we should be very proud of it. Whether the actual administration of the justice is efficient is another matter, and we certainly lack in that area I agree. I think I’m trying to suggest that if you get the chance you should regard it as a privilege and embrace it warts and all."
This, done it twice involving three cases and whilst one case did involve people already very well known to the justice system which caused a bit of 'he must be guilty then, i would rather be elsewhere ' from one juror they were soon on board with the responsibility that the jury has in doing it's duty to the best of it's abilities..
Yes it can be an inconvenience for some but I think I'd I were in the dock I would want a jury to take my liberty as seriously as others might take theirs.. |
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By *ugby 123Couple
over a year ago
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"I hope I'm never called. I would do everything within my control to get out of doing it. I don't have faith in the justice system hence I don't want to play any part in it.
You get called up, doesn’t mean you get picked
Yes I know. I do hope they will pick me. If I don’t get picked that means I could go home ?"
It might have changed now as mine was many years ago, but you are there for the two weeks whether you are chosen or not. It could be anytime in that two weeks that you are called for a case |
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"I hope I'm never called. I would do everything within my control to get out of doing it. I don't have faith in the justice system hence I don't want to play any part in it.
You get called up, doesn’t mean you get picked
Yes I know. I do hope they will pick me. If I don’t get picked that means I could go home ?
It might have changed now as mine was many years ago, but you are there for the two weeks whether you are chosen or not. It could be anytime in that two weeks that you are called for a case"
And, even if you don't get called up, you should still be paid off by the court for two weeks, even if your employer is still paying for your leave from work. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I hope I'm never called. I would do everything within my control to get out of doing it. I don't have faith in the justice system hence I don't want to play any part in it.
You get called up, doesn’t mean you get picked
Yes I know. I do hope they will pick me. If I don’t get picked that means I could go home ?
It might have changed now as mine was many years ago, but you are there for the two weeks whether you are chosen or not. It could be anytime in that two weeks that you are called for a case"
Have to take my iPad with me. And my kindle |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I hope I'm never called. I would do everything within my control to get out of doing it. I don't have faith in the justice system hence I don't want to play any part in it.
You get called up, doesn’t mean you get picked
Yes I know. I do hope they will pick me. If I don’t get picked that means I could go home ?"
They give you a number to phone with a password - put the password in and a message will say if you have been picked or not |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I hope I'm never called. I would do everything within my control to get out of doing it. I don't have faith in the justice system hence I don't want to play any part in it.
Surely taking part is the only way you can make it right lol"
Not really, no. |
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Did it over 10 years ago would recommend it to anyone not sure how the expenses system has changed since then but I was given the tip buy the most expensive ticket on day one as they only wanted to see one back then rest of the time get there the cheapest way possible |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Did it over 10 years ago would recommend it to anyone not sure how the expenses system has changed since then but I was given the tip buy the most expensive ticket on day one as they only wanted to see one back then rest of the time get there the cheapest way possible "
I’m driving. They give you 45p a mile there and back home .
£13 food and drinks
Parking is up to the courts if they pay or not. I have a blue badge so it’s free for me. I don’t work
Over all for me mon till
Friday will be £70 |
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"Has anyone been called up for Jury Service?
I’ve been called up ?
Can anyone enlightened me "
I refused to do it, but some family are in the Court system, so to speak. What did you need to be enlightened? |
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"I was called up for it ,when we were getting ready to swear in ,I passed a slip of paper to the usher stating that I knew the defendant ,I was taken back to the jury room and informed I wouldn’t be able to be juror for the trial plus must not attend court again .I stayed home and got my jury service money
This is obviously extremely helpful to the national interest "
Surely it's precisely in the national interest to have people doing jury service who are passionate and committed? |
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
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I refused on the grounds that the system was unfit for its purpose due to amount of miscarriage of justice and if they were able to prove me wrong then too do so I shall not be forced in doing something and punishing me also wouldn't be in the public interest by my legal rights to decline |
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"I refused on the grounds that the system was unfit for its purpose due to amount of miscarriage of justice and if they were able to prove me wrong then too do so I shall not be forced in doing something and punishing me also wouldn't be in the public interest by my legal rights to decline "
Yes, please try that on the Court if you are ever called. That is a great idea. and don't waste your time reading the rest of my post below. 
One man on my jury selection failed to turn up so the judge sent the police to arrest him. He was brought before the court and gave some excuse about running his business and could not waste time on jury duty. The judge fined him £100 (that was 30 years ago) and he spent 48 hours in a cell. Then he had to do his jury duty!! |
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By *r_PinkMan
over a year ago
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I was called up over 15 years ago.
1st week, I never got chosen and was able to read a whole book in that week. the next week, I got called up and was on the jury fpr a whole week.
AND I loved every minuet of it. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"Has anyone been called up for Jury Service?
I’ve been called up ?
Can anyone enlightened me
I refused to do it, but some family are in the Court system, so to speak. What did you need to be enlightened?"
Anything really.
Been watching some court room dramas |
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"I refused on the grounds that the system was unfit for its purpose due to amount of miscarriage of justice and if they were able to prove me wrong then too do so I shall not be forced in doing something and punishing me also wouldn't be in the public interest by my legal rights to decline
Yes, please try that on the Court if you are ever called. That is a great idea. and don't waste your time reading the rest of my post below.
One man on my jury selection failed to turn up so the judge sent the police to arrest him. He was brought before the court and gave some excuse about running his business and could not waste time on jury duty. The judge fined him £100 (that was 30 years ago) and he spent 48 hours in a cell. Then he had to do his jury duty!!"
These kind of things I want to know
What do I wear , do I put make up on or etc |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I was called up over 15 years ago.
1st week, I never got chosen and was able to read a whole book in that week. the next week, I got called up and was on the jury fpr a whole week.
AND I loved every minuet of it."
Was the person quilty or not ?
I’m looking forward to it as well , it’s not till April though |
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When they ask for your verdict just say sorry, you have no idea what they’re on about, you were miles away thinking of that delightful Cantonese dish you had a few weeks ago at your local takeaway and it’s not really any of your business anyway…. |
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"I hope I'm never called. I would do everything within my control to get out of doing it. I don't have faith in the justice system hence I don't want to play any part in it."
The boat has probably sailed in my case. I never want to be called up. Imagine the hoard of citizens that are making decisions....... uneducated, bollock driven , social media led twats.......... not a thought amongst them. ON the other hand, if I cried and looked pathetic they'd let me off wouldn't they ? |
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"I refused on the grounds that the system was unfit for its purpose due to amount of miscarriage of justice and if they were able to prove me wrong then too do so I shall not be forced in doing something and punishing me also wouldn't be in the public interest by my legal rights to decline
Yes, please try that on the Court if you are ever called. That is a great idea. and don't waste your time reading the rest of my post below.
One man on my jury selection failed to turn up so the judge sent the police to arrest him. He was brought before the court and gave some excuse about running his business and could not waste time on jury duty. The judge fined him £100 (that was 30 years ago) and he spent 48 hours in a cell. Then he had to do his jury duty!!
These kind of things I want to know
What do I wear , do I put make up on or etc"
yes! loads of make up and high heels. How would anyone even notice you without. God knows what women have to say is shite ....... just look shaggable. |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"You don't need to dress up, just go and see if you are selected from the pool, listen to the evidence and make you're own mind up. It can be an eye opener "
I was thinking about wearing some nice tight trousers and blouse or a nice top. Don’t know whether to wear heels or flats.
Got to look presentable
I’m taking this jury service very seriously |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"When they ask for your verdict just say sorry, you have no idea what they’re on about, you were miles away thinking of that delightful Cantonese dish you had a few weeks ago at your local takeaway and it’s not really any of your business anyway…."
Hehehe i beg your pardon sorry |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I've done it twice. I'd do it again if called as it's my chance to help deliver justice based on the evidence; convict the guilty and set the innocent free.
What eye-shadow did you wear though?"
I was thinking i do my eyes smoky ?
What do you think |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"I refused on the grounds that the system was unfit for its purpose due to amount of miscarriage of justice and if they were able to prove me wrong then too do so I shall not be forced in doing something and punishing me also wouldn't be in the public interest by my legal rights to decline
Yes, please try that on the Court if you are ever called. That is a great idea. and don't waste your time reading the rest of my post below.
One man on my jury selection failed to turn up so the judge sent the police to arrest him. He was brought before the court and gave some excuse about running his business and could not waste time on jury duty. The judge fined him £100 (that was 30 years ago) and he spent 48 hours in a cell. Then he had to do his jury duty!!
These kind of things I want to know
What do I wear , do I put make up on or etc
yes! loads of make up and high heels. How would anyone even notice you without. God knows what women have to say is shite ....... just look shaggable."
You’re guilty. 39 yrs for you |
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"I've done it twice. I'd do it again if called as it's my chance to help deliver justice based on the evidence; convict the guilty and set the innocent free.
What eye-shadow did you wear though?
I was thinking i do my eyes smoky ?
What do you think "
Just wear the usual dab of testosterone behind your ear holes. Smash it! |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago
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"I've done it twice. I'd do it again if called as it's my chance to help deliver justice based on the evidence; convict the guilty and set the innocent free.
What eye-shadow did you wear though?
I was thinking i do my eyes smoky ?
What do you think
Just wear the usual dab of testosterone behind your ear holes. Smash it!"
Will do |
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I refused to do it, but some family are in the Court system, so to speak. What did you need to be enlightened?
Anything really. "
You'll probably have the info you need from what you've been sent - in regards to expenses, etc.? Let me know if not.
As for what to wear, I'd suggest 1) something slightly less than a job interview and 2) a bit more than smart-casual.
That description makes perfect sense to me! Hope it means something to you.
Put it this way, the last time I supported someone in court, outfits varied from:
1) Man, smart jeans, smart shirt
2) Woman, Skirt suit like something from Dynasty
3) Man in typical wedding/funeral suit
4) Man in smart jeans and good jumper.
5) Woman, smart trousers, smart blouse
6) Woman, smart jeans, well-fitting t-shirt with cardigan.
The men's jeans in both cases could have been chinos, or cords, I guess.
You've had some good responses hear. Be prepared that you might need to dedicate some time to it, even if you don't get chosen. |
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I refused to do it, but some family are in the Court system, so to speak. What did you need to be enlightened?
Anything really.
You'll probably have the info you need from what you've been sent - in regards to expenses, etc.? Let me know if not.
As for what to wear, I'd suggest 1) something slightly less than a job interview and 2) a bit more than smart-casual.
That description makes perfect sense to me! Hope it means something to you.
Put it this way, the last time I supported someone in court, outfits varied from:
1) Man, smart jeans, smart shirt
2) Woman, Skirt suit like something from Dynasty
3) Man in typical wedding/funeral suit
4) Man in smart jeans and good jumper.
5) Woman, smart trousers, smart blouse
6) Woman, smart jeans, well-fitting t-shirt with cardigan.
The men's jeans in both cases could have been chinos, or cords, I guess.
You've had some good responses hear. Be prepared that you might need to dedicate some time to it, even if you don't get chosen. "
Yes I read in here I might not get chosen and to take a good book with me
Think I will wear black trousers with a nice top
Shall I hand my hair up or down ?
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"I hope I'm never called. I would do everything within my control to get out of doing it. I don't have faith in the justice system hence I don't want to play any part in it."
The one time I was in the process of being selected for a trial there was a woman who got excused by saying she didn't feel comfortable judging someone due to her religious beliefs.
But if jury selection in the UK is similar to the US, definitely bring a book. Depending on how many trials they have set up for the day it may take awhile to select a jury. I've been summoned 4 times and seated on a jury since I turned 18. |
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"Yes I read in here I might not get chosen and to take a good book with me
Think I will wear black trousers with a nice top
Shall I hand my hair up or down ?
It’s quite long "
Won't matter at all.
It sounds banal to say it, but whatever makes you feel comfortable. At the very least, it would be whatever goes with your outfit, but that depends on whatever makes you comfortable. |
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Called up twice old Bailey and isleworth enjoy the Old Bailey five weeks. Isleworth so boring two weeks of sitting in the jurors room . Only three of us spoke English as first language do people from all over the world by just sitting in a room for 10 hours a day I had my fill now I want to back up again. But you're enjoy it |
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By (user no longer on site) OP
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"Has anyone been called up for Jury Service?
I’ve been called up ?
Can anyone enlightened me right,go to you tube...type in ...richard vobes this is big....and listen...."
I will watch it later |
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"Called up twice old Bailey and isleworth enjoy the Old Bailey five weeks. Isleworth so boring two weeks of sitting in the jurors room . Only three of us spoke English as first language do people from all over the world by just sitting in a room for 10 hours a day I had my fill now I want to back up again. But you're enjoy it "
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By *ercuryMan
over a year ago
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If you ate self-employed, then it's a real pain.
I got a fraction of what I was earning to attend.
You can spend a day there, and get through barely four hours of court time.
I sat on a jury, where at least three of the younger members didn't understand what was going on and their only motivation was to get out of there as soon as possible.
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"I refused on the grounds that the system was unfit for its purpose due to amount of miscarriage of justice and if they were able to prove me wrong then too do so I shall not be forced in doing something and punishing me also wouldn't be in the public interest by my legal rights to decline
Yes, please try that on the Court if you are ever called. That is a great idea. and don't waste your time reading the rest of my post below.
One man on my jury selection failed to turn up so the judge sent the police to arrest him. He was brought before the court and gave some excuse about running his business and could not waste time on jury duty. The judge fined him £100 (that was 30 years ago) and he spent 48 hours in a cell. Then he had to do his jury duty!!
These kind of things I want to know
What do I wear , do I put make up on or etc"
I suggest you dress smartly, reflecting respect for the court, but comfortably because you will be wearing the stuff for many hours. I suggest distracting clothing like big cleavage tight crop tops and bum splitting leggings may not be viewed sympathetically and you could be sent home to change and return.
If you commit an offence in court, in front of the judge, you do not get charged and go to trial. The Judge is very likely to perform a summary judgement and you are sentenced there and then. Contempt of court, for example, which some above wish to test with wild ideas of refusing the call, has a tariff of up to 2 years in prison so don't go telling the Judge to fuck off. |
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"Did it over 10 years ago would recommend it to anyone not sure how the expenses system has changed since then but I was given the tip buy the most expensive ticket on day one as they only wanted to see one back then rest of the time get there the cheapest way possible
I’m driving. They give you 45p a mile there and back home .
£13 food and drinks
Parking is up to the courts if they pay or not. I have a blue badge so it’s free for me. I don’t work
Over all for me mon till
Friday will be £70"
Wolverhampton Crown Court didn't pay parking they advised any drivers to use the car park nearby £3 a day but take care in the subway as there had been jurors mugged before now |
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"Contempt of court, for example, which some above wish to test with wild ideas of refusing the call, has a tariff of up to 2 years in prison so don't go telling the Judge to fuck off. "
What's wild about refusing the call. There are all sorts of valid reasons for doing so. (And that's before we even consider that enforced jury duty is antithetical to the entire concept of a being judged buy our peers.) |
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"Contempt of court, for example, which some above wish to test with wild ideas of refusing the call, has a tariff of up to 2 years in prison so don't go telling the Judge to fuck off.
What's wild about refusing the call. There are all sorts of valid reasons for doing so. (And that's before we even consider that enforced jury duty is antithetical to the entire concept of a being judged buy our peers.)"
I suspect that there would quite rightly be outcry if someone was sent to prison for two years for refusing to do jury service.
Especially if the sentence came directly from a judge, without a jury being involved! |
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
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"I refused on the grounds that the system was unfit for its purpose due to amount of miscarriage of justice and if they were able to prove me wrong then too do so I shall not be forced in doing something and punishing me also wouldn't be in the public interest by my legal rights to decline
Yes, please try that on the Court if you are ever called. That is a great idea. and don't waste your time reading the rest of my post below.
One man on my jury selection failed to turn up so the judge sent the police to arrest him. He was brought before the court and gave some excuse about running his business and could not waste time on jury duty. The judge fined him £100 (that was 30 years ago) and he spent 48 hours in a cell. Then he had to do his jury duty!!"
Running a business is totally different as that is an excuse unavailable due to, whereas mine is my legal rights to refuse nobody in society can be forced to do something
against their beliefs when it is a request and no crime committed by them you are not legally obliged |
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"Contempt of court, for example, which some above wish to test with wild ideas of refusing the call, has a tariff of up to 2 years in prison so don't go telling the Judge to fuck off.
What's wild about refusing the call. There are all sorts of valid reasons for doing so. (And that's before we even consider that enforced jury duty is antithetical to the entire concept of a being judged buy our peers.)
I suspect that there would quite rightly be outcry if someone was sent to prison for two years for refusing to do jury service.
Especially if the sentence came directly from a judge, without a jury being involved!"
A jury is there to decide innocence or guilt; the judge sets the tariff. If you commit an offence in Court and it is witnessed by the Judge then you are guilty without trial, no need for a jury. You can however appeal.
2 years is the maximum but as I said above, one guy on with me got £100 fine and 48 hours in a cell and still had to do his jury duty. |
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"Contempt of court, for example, which some above wish to test with wild ideas of refusing the call, has a tariff of up to 2 years in prison so don't go telling the Judge to fuck off.
What's wild about refusing the call. There are all sorts of valid reasons for doing so. (And that's before we even consider that enforced jury duty is antithetical to the entire concept of a being judged buy our peers.)"
Valid reasons can be given and may be accepted. Wild reasons like "I don't believe in our justice system; it is all corrupt and I want nothing to do with it" is unlikely to do anything but antagonise the Court. However, if you are ever called tell them it is "antithetical" and see if that is accepted. |
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"I suspect that there would quite rightly be outcry if someone was sent to prison for two years for refusing to do jury service.
Especially if the sentence came directly from a judge, without a jury being involved!"
I refused jury duty before and would again. There are all sorts of reasons to do so. |
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"Contempt of court, for example, which some above wish to test with wild ideas of refusing the call, has a tariff of up to 2 years in prison so don't go telling the Judge to fuck off.
What's wild about refusing the call. There are all sorts of valid reasons for doing so. (And that's before we even consider that enforced jury duty is antithetical to the entire concept of a being judged buy our peers.)
Valid reasons can be given and may be accepted. Wild reasons like "I don't believe in our justice system; it is all corrupt and I want nothing to do with it" is unlikely to do anything but antagonise the Court. However, if you are ever called tell them it is "antithetical" and see if that is accepted. "
I think you are confusing my reasons for refusing - which I would do again - with my belief that no one should be forced to.
I believe the latter, but it is not the reason I gave. |
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"I refused on the grounds that the system was unfit for its purpose due to amount of miscarriage of justice and if they were able to prove me wrong then too do so I shall not be forced in doing something and punishing me also wouldn't be in the public interest by my legal rights to decline
Yes, please try that on the Court if you are ever called. That is a great idea. and don't waste your time reading the rest of my post below.
One man on my jury selection failed to turn up so the judge sent the police to arrest him. He was brought before the court and gave some excuse about running his business and could not waste time on jury duty. The judge fined him £100 (that was 30 years ago) and he spent 48 hours in a cell. Then he had to do his jury duty!!
These kind of things I want to know
What do I wear , do I put make up on or etc
I suggest you dress smartly, reflecting respect for the court, but comfortably because you will be wearing the stuff for many hours. I suggest distracting clothing like big cleavage tight crop tops and bum splitting leggings may not be viewed sympathetically and you could be sent home to change and return.
If you commit an offence in court, in front of the judge, you do not get charged and go to trial. The Judge is very likely to perform a summary judgement and you are sentenced there and then. Contempt of court, for example, which some above wish to test with wild ideas of refusing the call, has a tariff of up to 2 years in prison so don't go telling the Judge to fuck off. "
Oh dear feel like you know me.
I probably will tell the judge to fuck off.
No nothing revealing etc
How about I just wear my Abaya
The long dress that just shows my hands and face |
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"Contempt of court, for example, which some above wish to test with wild ideas of refusing the call, has a tariff of up to 2 years in prison so don't go telling the Judge to fuck off.
What's wild about refusing the call. There are all sorts of valid reasons for doing so. (And that's before we even consider that enforced jury duty is antithetical to the entire concept of a being judged buy our peers.)
I suspect that there would quite rightly be outcry if someone was sent to prison for two years for refusing to do jury service.
Especially if the sentence came directly from a judge, without a jury being involved!
A jury is there to decide innocence or guilt; the judge sets the tariff. If you commit an offence in Court and it is witnessed by the Judge then you are guilty without trial, no need for a jury. You can however appeal.
2 years is the maximum but as I said above, one guy on with me got £100 fine and 48 hours in a cell and still had to do his jury duty. "
I haven’t refused. I’m looking forward to my jury service |
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By *ucka39Man
over a year ago
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Contempt would only happen if a person within court decides I'm not going to but by refusing by letter when sent with them requiring your services isn't it's a simple that I don't have faith given amount of cases that have been a miscarriage of justice by error of judgement so my belief by proven track record wouldn't be right to place myself in that position unless you decide to allowing the terms of the polygraph test be used as partial evidence |
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"Contempt of court, for example, which some above wish to test with wild ideas of refusing the call, has a tariff of up to 2 years in prison so don't go telling the Judge to fuck off.
What's wild about refusing the call. There are all sorts of valid reasons for doing so. (And that's before we even consider that enforced jury duty is antithetical to the entire concept of a being judged buy our peers.)
Valid reasons can be given and may be accepted. Wild reasons like "I don't believe in our justice system; it is all corrupt and I want nothing to do with it" is unlikely to do anything but antagonise the Court. However, if you are ever called tell them it is "antithetical" and see if that is accepted.
I think you are confusing my reasons for refusing - which I would do again - with my belief that no one should be forced to.
I believe the latter, but it is not the reason I gave."
I found doing my civic duty an educational and rewarding task. There are of course ways to escape this civic duty though.
All I am saying, to those who read this forum post, is don't be stupid or rude as the court has teeth. |
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"Contempt would only happen if a person within court decides I'm not going to but by refusing by letter when sent with them requiring your services isn't it's a simple that I don't have faith given amount of cases that have been a miscarriage of justice by error of judgement so my belief by proven track record wouldn't be right to place myself in that position unless you decide to allowing the terms of the polygraph test be used as partial evidence "
Have you ever been called and had that excuse accepted? I would be interested to know what other process would be more reliable at deciding on guilt or innocence? |
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"If you ate self-employed, then it's a real pain.
I got a fraction of what I was earning to attend.
You can spend a day there, and get through barely four hours of court time.
I sat on a jury, where at least three of the younger members didn't understand what was going on and their only motivation was to get out of there as soon as possible.
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Is tha cos they only pay you at the rate you report to HMRC |
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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago
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Done Jury service.Lied to from the first letter.Virtually no chance of being excused if you are self employed etc.They only pay a fraction of what they lead you to believe.A lady had to wait four days for a "Judge" to decide her husband in intensive care unlikely to recover was a good reason to be excused.They are not fit to judge the vegetables at a village fete.There is no consideration for your own personal circumstances whatsoever.We found ourselves looking at a possible third week plus,the judge wouldn't entertain for one second anyone unable to do a trial of that length.The jurors on the Letby case for example thought they were signing up for two weeks,it's only when you are signed up they tell you the truth.Those poor bastards had nine months.When I did mine another nurse killer trial was coming to an end,near nine month.Whilst your own employer can't sack you,your spouse partner isn't protected,there were people being sacked because they had to step into the breach of the person on jury service.Never doing it again.No one is interested in the case,they just want to get back to work,childcare etc.One guy bullied the other jurors into a guilty verdict to finish court early so he could get home and mow the lawns before it rained.Absolute joke.Never ever do it.Chuck the letters,claim you never received them. |
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over a year ago
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"I still haven't but want too. If I get there and its some petty crime like shoplifting though, I'll be disappointed not gonna lie."
If it's a serious crime you will be there a lot longer than two weeks and that is without delays such as "legal arguments" which can happen daily,a judge returning to an earlier case for pre sentencing/sentencing,cases starting late/finishing early.Be careful what you wish for.I guarantee it is nothing like what you are expecting/hoping for. |
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"Done Jury service.Lied to from the first letter.Virtually no chance of being excused if you are self employed etc.They only pay a fraction of what they lead you to believe.A lady had to wait four days for a "Judge" to decide her husband in intensive care unlikely to recover was a good reason to be excused.They are not fit to judge the vegetables at a village fete.There is no consideration for your own personal circumstances whatsoever.We found ourselves looking at a possible third week plus,the judge wouldn't entertain for one second anyone unable to do a trial of that length.The jurors on the Letby case for example thought they were signing up for two weeks,it's only when you are signed up they tell you the truth.Those poor bastards had nine months.When I did mine another nurse killer trial was coming to an end,near nine month.Whilst your own employer can't sack you,your spouse partner isn't protected,there were people being sacked because they had to step into the breach of the person on jury service.Never doing it again.No one is interested in the case,they just want to get back to work,childcare etc.One guy bullied the other jurors into a guilty verdict to finish court early so he could get home and mow the lawns before it rained.Absolute joke.Never ever do it.Chuck the letters,claim you never received them."
You will be arrested if you don’t turn up for jury duty. They will contact you by phone first, if no reply, the police are sent to collect you.
Ignoring these letters is the worst possible advice. |
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"Done Jury service.Lied to from the first letter.Virtually no chance of being excused if you are self employed etc.They only pay a fraction of what they lead you to believe.A lady had to wait four days for a "Judge" to decide her husband in intensive care unlikely to recover was a good reason to be excused.They are not fit to judge the vegetables at a village fete.There is no consideration for your own personal circumstances whatsoever.We found ourselves looking at a possible third week plus,the judge wouldn't entertain for one second anyone unable to do a trial of that length.The jurors on the Letby case for example thought they were signing up for two weeks,it's only when you are signed up they tell you the truth.Those poor bastards had nine months.When I did mine another nurse killer trial was coming to an end,near nine month.Whilst your own employer can't sack you,your spouse partner isn't protected,there were people being sacked because they had to step into the breach of the person on jury service.Never doing it again.No one is interested in the case,they just want to get back to work,childcare etc.One guy bullied the other jurors into a guilty verdict to finish court early so he could get home and mow the lawns before it rained.Absolute joke.Never ever do it.Chuck the letters,claim you never received them."
You will be arrested if you don’t turn up for jury duty. They will contact you by phone first, if no reply, the police are sent to collect you.
Ignoring these letters is the worst possible advice. |
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Always thought that Jury's should be picked from people either retired or not working and on benefits.
Save people having to take time of work. Not only saving money compensating people for taking time of from work. But probably better for the overall economy of the country. |
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"Always thought that Jury's should be picked from people either retired or not working and on benefits.
Save people having to take time of work. Not only saving money compensating people for taking time of from work. But probably better for the overall economy of the country. "
I don't want the criminal justice system to be judged by elderly people. And do you think people on benefits, e.g. due to sickness or disability, would be best able to judge? Have you seen a wheelchair accessible jury gallery, for example? I couldn't go into court with my son (the victim) because it was not accessible and they have few options for disabled people. This in a modern-ish court building (from the 20th century). If I had been a defendant or witness, it would be scheduled in very specific places, apparently. |
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"Always thought that Jury's should be picked from people either retired or not working and on benefits.
Save people having to take time of work. Not only saving money compensating people for taking time of from work. But probably better for the overall economy of the country.
I don't want the criminal justice system to be judged by elderly people. And do you think people on benefits, e.g. due to sickness or disability, would be best able to judge? Have you seen a wheelchair accessible jury gallery, for example? I couldn't go into court with my son (the victim) because it was not accessible and they have few options for disabled people. This in a modern-ish court building (from the 20th century). If I had been a defendant or witness, it would be scheduled in very specific places, apparently."
The last 2 leaders of the most powerful country in the world were in their 70s when they assumed office. But you don't think people in thier 60s are mentally capable of sitting in a Jury. Your other point is more about the state of our buildings rather than the idea I suggested. |
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"Always thought that Jury's should be picked from people either retired or not working and on benefits.
Save people having to take time of work. Not only saving money compensating people for taking time of from work. But probably better for the overall economy of the country.
I don't want the criminal justice system to be judged by elderly people. And do you think people on benefits, e.g. due to sickness or disability, would be best able to judge? Have you seen a wheelchair accessible jury gallery, for example? I couldn't go into court with my son (the victim) because it was not accessible and they have few options for disabled people. This in a modern-ish court building (from the 20th century). If I had been a defendant or witness, it would be scheduled in very specific places, apparently.
The last 2 leaders of the most powerful country in the world were in their 70s when they assumed office. But you don't think people in thier 60s are mentally capable of sitting in a Jury. Your other point is more about the state of our buildings rather than the idea I suggested. "
A jury composed of one demographic group (e.g. only older people) runs the risk of being very unfair and prejudiced. I also wouldn't want to be judged by a jury made up entirely of 20-somethings or a jury made up entirely of 1 gender etc. I didn't say older people are incapable of being in juries.
The fact the last two US presidents have been over 70 says more about the state of American politics than the capability of the individuals. Our PM is 43 - does that mean anything in this context? |
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"Always thought that Jury's should be picked from people either retired or not working and on benefits.
Save people having to take time of work. Not only saving money compensating people for taking time of from work. But probably better for the overall economy of the country.
I don't want the criminal justice system to be judged by elderly people. And do you think people on benefits, e.g. due to sickness or disability, would be best able to judge? Have you seen a wheelchair accessible jury gallery, for example? I couldn't go into court with my son (the victim) because it was not accessible and they have few options for disabled people. This in a modern-ish court building (from the 20th century). If I had been a defendant or witness, it would be scheduled in very specific places, apparently.
The last 2 leaders of the most powerful country in the world were in their 70s when they assumed office. But you don't think people in thier 60s are mentally capable of sitting in a Jury. Your other point is more about the state of our buildings rather than the idea I suggested.
A jury composed of one demographic group (e.g. only older people) runs the risk of being very unfair and prejudiced. I also wouldn't want to be judged by a jury made up entirely of 20-somethings or a jury made up entirely of 1 gender etc. I didn't say older people are incapable of being in juries.
The fact the last two US presidents have been over 70 says more about the state of American politics than the capability of the individuals. Our PM is 43 - does that mean anything in this context? "
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"Just been called up for my 2nd stint.
Why can't they keep a record of those who already done it and call others up??"
I got a letter through yesterday for my third call up! There must be slim pickings for jurors in our areas  |
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They like the look of you in the jurors box.....!! Wow!!!!
"Just been called up for my 2nd stint.
Why can't they keep a record of those who already done it and call others up??
I got a letter through yesterday for my third call up! There must be slim pickings for jurors in our areas "
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"Always thought that Jury's should be picked from people either retired or not working and on benefits.
Save people having to take time of work. Not only saving money compensating people for taking time of from work. But probably better for the overall economy of the country.
I don't want the criminal justice system to be judged by elderly people. And do you think people on benefits, e.g. due to sickness or disability, would be best able to judge?.
Why do you think people on benefits can't judge a jury ?
Did you mean you don't want "just" older people on a jury?"
I didn't say I didn't want older people on juries. I said I wouldn't want a jury comprising only older people. I equally wouldn't want a jury comprised only of 20-somethings, which I followed up with.
I pointed out many people out of work on benefits are ill or disabled and perhaps unable to sit on juries, that it would be impractical. I then cited an example of a court not being wheelchair accessible.
I've never seen a wheelchair accessible jury box in a court room. I asked a friend who is a solicitor and he's never seen a juror in a wheelchair. That might be because wheelchair users are excused for health reasons or could be because the courts are inaccessible.
It would be a crazy jury system that relied mainly on older people and potentially sick and disabled people, which is what you'd have with the original suggestion I replied to.
To be clear, I have zero issue with older people or people on benefits being on juries. But juries shouldn't be just one demographic (e.g. older people) and shouldn't be pulling people from a pool of people more likely to be excused. |
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I don't want the criminal justice system to be judged by elderly people. And do you think people on benefits, e.g. due to sickness or disability, would be best able to judge?.
Why do you think people on benefits can't judge a jury ?
Did you mean you don't want "just" older people on a jury?
I didn't say I didn't want older people on juries.
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You did, it was the reason I asked did you mean to put a "just" in there
You also said "And do you think people on benefits, e.g. due to sickness or disability, would be best able to judge?"
In isolation, yes they can, being in a wheelchair won't stop that |
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I don't want the criminal justice system to be judged by elderly people. And do you think people on benefits, e.g. due to sickness or disability, would be best able to judge?.
Why do you think people on benefits can't judge a jury ?
Did you mean you don't want "just" older people on a jury?
I didn't say I didn't want older people on juries.
You did, it was the reason I asked did you mean to put a "just" in there
You also said "And do you think people on benefits, e.g. due to sickness or disability, would be best able to judge?"
In isolation, yes they can, being in a wheelchair won't stop that"
I meant best able to actually attend court, to have the physical/mental health to attend and the ability to physically get inside the courts. |
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"Not everyone disabled or unemployed use a wheelchair"
I know. But for example, someone with significant mental health issues causing them to be unable to work is quite likely to be unable to sit on a jury for weeks on end. Someone requiring to take medication throughout the day, or who has toileting issues (these are just random examples) are also very likely to be unable to perform the jury role physically.
The post I replied to suggested that all jurors should either be retired or people unemployed on benefits.
I'm saying that's very impractical because many in those groups are simply unable to commit to jury service due to their health or might be physically unable to attend, e.g. mobility needs.
Juries should be diverse and drawn from a representative sample of the population, not from small demographic groups. |
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"Not everyone disabled or unemployed use a wheelchair
I know. But for example, someone with significant mental health issues causing them to be unable to work is quite likely to be unable to sit on a jury for weeks on end. Someone requiring to take medication throughout the day, or who has toileting issues (these are just random examples) are also very likely to be unable to perform the jury role physically.
The post I replied to suggested that all jurors should either be retired or people unemployed on benefits.
I'm saying that's very impractical because many in those groups are simply unable to commit to jury service due to their health or might be physically unable to attend, e.g. mobility needs.
Juries should be diverse and drawn from a representative sample of the population, not from small demographic groups. "
There are around 22 million people claiming benefits and state pension. Thats more than a third of the adult UK population. I think that amount of people would be quite a diverse bunch.
For a discussion about who should on Juror service, you are showing a stereotype view of what retired and people on benefits are like. |
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"Not everyone disabled or unemployed use a wheelchair
I know. But for example, someone with significant mental health issues causing them to be unable to work is quite likely to be unable to sit on a jury for weeks on end. Someone requiring to take medication throughout the day, or who has toileting issues (these are just random examples) are also very likely to be unable to perform the jury role physically.
The post I replied to suggested that all jurors should either be retired or people unemployed on benefits.
I'm saying that's very impractical because many in those groups are simply unable to commit to jury service due to their health or might be physically unable to attend, e.g. mobility needs.
Juries should be diverse and drawn from a representative sample of the population, not from small demographic groups.
There are around 22 million people claiming benefits and state pension. Thats more than a third of the adult UK population. I think that amount of people would be quite a diverse bunch.
For a discussion about who should on Juror service, you are showing a stereotype view of what retired and people on benefits are like."
Read everything I've written on the thread. I have made it clear that my objection is the fact juries would then lack diversity. I equally would not want to be tried by a jury of purely 20-somethings or purely supermarket workers or any other single group. Juries need to be diverse to be fair. Like it or not, everyone has prejudices and so diverse juries are less likely to be dominated by one form of prejudice. |
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"Not everyone disabled or unemployed use a wheelchair
I know. But for example, someone with significant mental health issues causing them to be unable to work is quite likely to be unable to sit on a jury for weeks on end. Someone requiring to take medication throughout the day, or who has toileting issues (these are just random examples) are also very likely to be unable to perform the jury role physically.
The post I replied to suggested that all jurors should either be retired or people unemployed on benefits.
I'm saying that's very impractical because many in those groups are simply unable to commit to jury service due to their health or might be physically unable to attend, e.g. mobility needs.
Juries should be diverse and drawn from a representative sample of the population, not from small demographic groups.
There are around 22 million people claiming benefits and state pension. Thats more than a third of the adult UK population. I think that amount of people would be quite a diverse bunch.
For a discussion about who should on Juror service, you are showing a stereotype view of what retired and people on benefits are like.
Read everything I've written on the thread. I have made it clear that my objection is the fact juries would then lack diversity. I equally would not want to be tried by a jury of purely 20-somethings or purely supermarket workers or any other single group. Juries need to be diverse to be fair. Like it or not, everyone has prejudices and so diverse juries are less likely to be dominated by one form of prejudice. "
What diversity are you keeping on referring to..?
I said to you it is a demographic of 22 million people. More than a third of the adult population of the UK. Which group will not be amongst those people whether on a gender, age, race or other criteria you want included. |
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