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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
Lots of coverage of the latest Jeremy Vine cycling video. Now the motorist might have cut up the cyclist and there was no collision so no harm done. would the cyclist have been better off wearing bright colours rather than dark. ?
It's all over the news |
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"Lots of coverage of the latest Jeremy Vine cycling video. Now the motorist might have cut up the cyclist and there was no collision so no harm done. would the cyclist have been better off wearing bright colours rather than dark. ?
It's all over the news"
Why the victim blaming, implying it's the cyclist fault due to the colour of their clothes |
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By *ebwizMan
over a year ago
Clevedon |
If its the one actually of vine with the golf i think turning left, Jeremy is a complete knob. Shouting whoa at top of his voice. Somebody timed it. He had 7 seconds to react to the signal. If he eased off it would hsvd been fine. The guys got an ego bigger thsn his radio show and he's a complete prat on that too. Not the first time he's got arsey with a driver, he'll end up under one one day. |
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Black belt barrister on YouTube has done a video on it. If the cyclist had been a bus the driver wouldn’t have done it.
Can’t stand Mr Vine and his whinging videos (constantly on my twitter feed) but in this case I think he’s right. Well right when it comes to the law. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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It’s no ok and clearly the car drivers fault.
But no need to make it into a drama. The cyclist could have just been the bigger man and stopped and let the car go.
Would have wasted what, 5 seconds, and then cycled on.
No drama.
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"It’s no ok and clearly the car drivers fault.
But no need to make it into a drama. The cyclist could have just been the bigger man and stopped and let the car go.
Would have wasted what, 5 seconds, and then cycled on.
No drama.
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Or the motorist should have followed the rules of the road not placed anyone at risk of injury and even death?
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"It’s no ok and clearly the car drivers fault.
But no need to make it into a drama. The cyclist could have just been the bigger man and stopped and let the car go.
Would have wasted what, 5 seconds, and then cycled on.
No drama.
Or the motorist should have followed the rules of the road not placed anyone at risk of injury and even death?
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In an ideal world yes . But we know it’s not ideal and a lot of the drivers on the road are reckless.
All I’m saying is once the VW decided to make that manoeuvre the cyclist could have acted differently.
If I acted like this every time someone cut me up i would spend half my day chastising people and probably getting an ulcer. From a personal point of view I have learnt to just let it go. In the long run it’s better for my well-being.
That was all I was saying . Definitely not condoning the driver. |
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I can't stand Jeremy Vine, it's the same with Clarkson and Beadle but he wasnt a total knob. So it could just be to do with the name.
However, I don't think Vine is at fault and I'm glad he didn't get knocked off his pushbike
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By *TG3Man
over a year ago
Dorchester |
Exactly less haste and more patience needed on British roads, drivers are so impatient, cyclists mind could improve on visibility but the driver will always be at fault because he's driving a vehicle that could ultimately kill he/she has supposedly had enough training and their peripheral vision has to be exemplary, i haven't seen the vine vid but this would apply across the board, slow down gives you time.  |
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Same with these youths / teenagers.
They all wear black puffa jackets, black trainers, black tracky bottoms, black hat, black hood up.
Jd Sports should make their clothes fluorescent pink or Photo luminescent (glo in the dark) for the purpose of health and safety |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
There was no collision so in fact nobody can be at fault. By dressing in black you are contributing to your own danger. Does the highway code advise horse riders and cyclists to wear clothes to be seen. Tom does wonder if some of these cyclist types with big cameras are out looking for trouble. |
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By *TG3Man
over a year ago
Dorchester |
"There was no collision so in fact nobody can be at fault. By dressing in black you are contributing to your own danger. Does the highway code advise horse riders and cyclists to wear clothes to be seen. Tom does wonder if some of these cyclist types with big cameras are out looking for trouble. "
Safety is about the person kids today wear black hoodies, hoods up and masks under and no lights on bike whats that all about |
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By *ebwizMan
over a year ago
Clevedon |
"Car was indicating and turned well in advance... JV must have had brakes on his bike... seems to me he sped up to cause more issues.
He did this before with a van, you could see him pedalling faster so he could cause an altercation when the van tried to turn. He's an egotistical man and his radio show isnt much better, he comes out with all kinds of snidy comments, he's not that smart, just got a big platform to spout off on.
Vile behaviour"
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"Lots of coverage of the latest Jeremy Vine cycling video. Now the motorist might have cut up the cyclist and there was no collision so no harm done. would the cyclist have been better off wearing bright colours rather than dark. ?
It's all over the news
Why the victim blaming, implying it's the cyclist fault due to the colour of their clothes"
Rule 59 of the Highway Code states that a cyclist should wear visible clothing. There have been several legal cases where cyclists have had accidents and have been held fully or partially to blame because they were wearing dark clothes.
Please wear high visibility clothing is what I would urge cyclists. |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"There was no collision so in fact nobody can be at fault. By dressing in black you are contributing to your own danger. Does the highway code advise horse riders and cyclists to wear clothes to be seen. Tom does wonder if some of these cyclist types with big cameras are out looking for trouble. "
Tom most cyclists just don't want to die or get put in hospital by an inattentive or impatient motorist.
We aren't looking firvtrouble and the suggestion that they aren't is victim blaming. Even people that report motorists fir using their phone aren't out for trouble, they just want drivers to follow the law. If you get reported on dash cam footage and it leads to a prosecution the reason for that isn't the cyclist with the helmet cam |
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By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago
Near Wells |
I don't ride push bikes but I ride motorbikes.
This kind of thing happens all the time but I don't moan about it. I also drive so I'm aware of blind spots and how difficult it is to be seen when riding. So I make sure I can be seen, wearing the correct clothing, being in the best road position and above all being aware of what's going on around you.
To my mind, I'm going to loose in a fight with a car or a van so I do my very best to avoid them. Jeremy Vine should do the same instead of whinging. |
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"I've been cycling all my life and I can guarantee what I've been wearing has zero impact on close passes and near misses.
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You need to cycle in the dusk on an unlit country road wearing all black - you wouldn’t be so blasé then. |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"I've been cycling all my life and I can guarantee what I've been wearing has zero impact on close passes and near misses.
You need to cycle in the dusk on an unlit country road wearing all black - you wouldn’t be so blasé then. "
I'm not sure how om being blasé?
I mean I've been hospitalised twice by motorists (both tines the druver admitted to being in a rush), I've lost friends due to motorists killing them and I've had more near misses than I care to remember.
I use daytime running lights visible for a few hundred metres, I wear bight colours, in the dark I have a reflective jacket, helmet and shoes. AND I still get close passes and near misses.
It's rhe motorist who are blasé and the constant "yeah but hi viz" debate is a complete victim blaming red herring. If a motorist is not comfortable that they can see other road users more than complying with the law and common sense them the problem is 100% with the motorist. |
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"I've been cycling all my life and I can guarantee what I've been wearing has zero impact on close passes and near misses.
You need to cycle in the dusk on an unlit country road wearing all black - you wouldn’t be so blasé then.
I'm not sure how om being blasé?
I mean I've been hospitalised twice by motorists (both tines the druver admitted to being in a rush), I've lost friends due to motorists killing them and I've had more near misses than I care to remember.
I use daytime running lights visible for a few hundred metres, I wear bight colours, in the dark I have a reflective jacket, helmet and shoes. AND I still get close passes and near misses.
It's rhe motorist who are blasé and the constant "yeah but hi viz" debate is a complete victim blaming red herring. If a motorist is not comfortable that they can see other road users more than complying with the law and common sense them the problem is 100% with the motorist."
You said your clothing has never been an issue. I am suggesting that would not be the case if you wore dark clothing in an unlit road at dusk.
It is not a red herring - in the circumstances I am talking about it is very much about keeping a cyclist alive. That is why it is now in the Highway Code as a requirement. Clothing matters.
If you are wearing high viz then I am grateful as a driver and thank you. Most people are not as well dressed as you. |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"I've been cycling all my life and I can guarantee what I've been wearing has zero impact on close passes and near misses.
You need to cycle in the dusk on an unlit country road wearing all black - you wouldn’t be so blasé then.
I'm not sure how om being blasé?
I mean I've been hospitalised twice by motorists (both tines the druver admitted to being in a rush), I've lost friends due to motorists killing them and I've had more near misses than I care to remember.
I use daytime running lights visible for a few hundred metres, I wear bight colours, in the dark I have a reflective jacket, helmet and shoes. AND I still get close passes and near misses.
It's rhe motorist who are blasé and the constant "yeah but hi viz" debate is a complete victim blaming red herring. If a motorist is not comfortable that they can see other road users more than complying with the law and common sense them the problem is 100% with the motorist.
You said your clothing has never been an issue. I am suggesting that would not be the case if you wore dark clothing in an unlit road at dusk.
It is not a red herring - in the circumstances I am talking about it is very much about keeping a cyclist alive. That is why it is now in the Highway Code as a requirement. Clothing matters.
If you are wearing high viz then I am grateful as a driver and thank you. Most people are not as well dressed as you."
Maybe I dint explain it well  I do as much as I can to make myself visible yet every ride I have near misses at the hands of motorists.
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over a year ago
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Been watching this a few times and can honestly say if I was the driver I may have done the same thing. Perhaps the design of the road has something to do with this..
Its not clear if before this footage the driver had overtaken JV so would have known he was there or if indeed the driver had emerged from the junction on the left but driving down that road it would be hard to spot a cyclist in your Near side mirror, even looking over your shoulder the back near side quarter pillar would also have obscured his vision and to be honest I think JV should have noticed him indicating and ridden more defensively. theres a bit of blame on all sides here but I would say JV didnt see him indicate and act accordingly. |
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Jeremy vine is a complete knob. But so is the VW driver. I had the very same happen to me this week while I was travelling downhill at over 20mph, wearing hi viz in daylight. It’s not nice.
And as for the impatient pricks who think it’s ok to close pass…..
In my p op pinion 80% of motorists are fine and courteous, it’s the 20% of arrogant assholes that need addressing. |
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"I've been cycling all my life and I can guarantee what I've been wearing has zero impact on close passes and near misses.
You need to cycle in the dusk on an unlit country road wearing all black - you wouldn’t be so blasé then.
I'm not sure how om being blasé?
I mean I've been hospitalised twice by motorists (both tines the druver admitted to being in a rush), I've lost friends due to motorists killing them and I've had more near misses than I care to remember.
I use daytime running lights visible for a few hundred metres, I wear bight colours, in the dark I have a reflective jacket, helmet and shoes. AND I still get close passes and near misses.
It's rhe motorist who are blasé and the constant "yeah but hi viz" debate is a complete victim blaming red herring. If a motorist is not comfortable that they can see other road users more than complying with the law and common sense them the problem is 100% with the motorist.
You said your clothing has never been an issue. I am suggesting that would not be the case if you wore dark clothing in an unlit road at dusk.
It is not a red herring - in the circumstances I am talking about it is very much about keeping a cyclist alive. That is why it is now in the Highway Code as a requirement. Clothing matters.
If you are wearing high viz then I am grateful as a driver and thank you. Most people are not as well dressed as you.
Maybe I dint explain it well I do as much as I can to make myself visible yet every ride I have near misses at the hands of motorists.
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Here here. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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To be fair, its crap traffic planning. You have a cycle lane running parallel with a main road, with lots of turn in's /carparks, for faster traffic to cut into.
You wouldn't turn left across traffic on a duel carriage way into a car park.
Drivers are usually looking to the right, behind and immediately into the left in the direction they are trying to turn into.
No ones fault really, however Jeremy Vine does love to play the victim. |
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"To be fair, its crap traffic planning. You have a cycle lane running parallel with a main road, with lots of turn in's /carparks, for faster traffic to cut into.
You wouldn't turn left across traffic on a duel carriage way into a car park.
Drivers are usually looking to the right, behind and immediately into the left in the direction they are trying to turn into.
No ones fault really, however Jeremy Vine does love to play the victim. "
Doesn't that apply to pretty much every cycle lane? |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"To be fair, its crap traffic planning. You have a cycle lane running parallel with a main road, with lots of turn in's /carparks, for faster traffic to cut into.
You wouldn't turn left across traffic on a duel carriage way into a car park.
Drivers are usually looking to the right, behind and immediately into the left in the direction they are trying to turn into.
No ones fault really, however Jeremy Vine does love to play the victim. "
Genuine question given at keast one police force and one solicitor have commented on the daily mail article that stated the driver might be in the right confirming that the motorist was 100% in the wrong, what makes you think the motorist was not to blame?
Why couldn't they have waited? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Although the motorist was at fault Jeremy Vine clearly sped up to get his gotcha moment. Any normal person would see the indicator, see a potential hazard and slow down a little bit. |
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My opinion is, as a cyclist.
Was any one hurt, was enough space given so they could safely stop with out hurting anyone?
If both answers are no, then what’s the problem?
Rode on roads for years, never had an issue, I know if anything happens I’ll end up worse off, so I don’t mind giving way.
All this stuff you see online from the Lycra brigade, “well the high way code says this” are idiots, the high way code isn’t going to save your life, using your common sense and getting out of harms way will! |
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"There was no collision so in fact nobody can be at fault. By dressing in black you are contributing to your own danger. Does the highway code advise horse riders and cyclists to wear clothes to be seen. Tom does wonder if some of these cyclist types with big cameras are out looking for trouble. "
Cyclist types??? |
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"To be fair, its crap traffic planning. You have a cycle lane running parallel with a main road, with lots of turn in's /carparks, for faster traffic to cut into.
You wouldn't turn left across traffic on a duel carriage way into a car park.
Drivers are usually looking to the right, behind and immediately into the left in the direction they are trying to turn into.
No ones fault really, however Jeremy Vine does love to play the victim. "
There is some bad planning with some cycle lanes. But I don't think you're right here. As previous posters have said, drivers don't tend to turn left when they're not in the left lane. Here, there's a lane to the left - a cycle lane.
Of course it can't be right that that means the car can't turn left at all. But it seems fair that a cyclist in a cycle lane should have right of way when going straight on and shouldn't expect drivers to turn into them. Drivers don't expect to be forced to slow down by bigger vehicles who feel like turning. Nor should cyclists.
We do slow down, sometimes because we're nice, sometimes to create on the road, and sometimes because we're scared of those massive metal boxes hurtling around, but we shouldn't have to. |
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"There was no collision so in fact nobody can be at fault. By dressing in black you are contributing to your own danger. Does the highway code advise horse riders and cyclists to wear clothes to be seen. Tom does wonder if some of these cyclist types with big cameras are out looking for trouble. Safety is about the person kids today wear black hoodies, hoods up and masks under and no lights on bike whats that all about "
I could have a lighthouse on top of my head and still get cut up! X |
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"Although the motorist was at fault Jeremy Vine clearly sped up to get his gotcha moment. Any normal person would see the indicator, see a potential hazard and slow down a little bit."
You think he sped up just before the car turned, in the knowledge he could do that elegant stop just in time? |
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"There was no collision so in fact nobody can be at fault. By dressing in black you are contributing to your own danger. Does the highway code advise horse riders and cyclists to wear clothes to be seen. Tom does wonder if some of these cyclist types with big cameras are out looking for trouble. "
That makes no sense whatsoever - you need damage for someone to be at fault? |
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"Although the motorist was at fault Jeremy Vine clearly sped up to get his gotcha moment. Any normal person would see the indicator, see a potential hazard and slow down a little bit.
You think he sped up just before the car turned, in the knowledge he could do that elegant stop just in time?"
You can see in the video he clearly speeds up. |
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"My opinion is, as a cyclist.
Was any one hurt, was enough space given so they could safely stop with out hurting anyone?
If both answers are no, then what’s the problem?
Rode on roads for years, never had an issue, I know if anything happens I’ll end up worse off, so I don’t mind giving way.
All this stuff you see online from the Lycra brigade, “well the high way code says this” are idiots, the high way code isn’t going to save your life, using your common sense and getting out of harms way will!"
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"Although the motorist was at fault Jeremy Vine clearly sped up to get his gotcha moment. Any normal person would see the indicator, see a potential hazard and slow down a little bit.
You think he sped up just before the car turned, in the knowledge he could do that elegant stop just in time?
You can see in the video he clearly speeds up."
I'm not going to spend time watching the video again, but I don't recall it that way and find that hard to believe. Certainly not deliberately. Though cyclists' speeds do go up and down based on many factors. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Although the motorist was at fault Jeremy Vine clearly sped up to get his gotcha moment. Any normal person would see the indicator, see a potential hazard and slow down a little bit.
You think he sped up just before the car turned, in the knowledge he could do that elegant stop just in time?
You can see in the video he clearly speeds up.
I'm not going to spend time watching the video again, but I don't recall it that way and find that hard to believe. Certainly not deliberately. Though cyclists' speeds do go up and down based on many factors. "
Could the factor be that he saw a car signalling to turn and wanted a video for his socials? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"To be fair, its crap traffic planning. You have a cycle lane running parallel with a main road, with lots of turn in's /carparks, for faster traffic to cut into.
You wouldn't turn left across traffic on a duel carriage way into a car park.
Drivers are usually looking to the right, behind and immediately into the left in the direction they are trying to turn into.
No ones fault really, however Jeremy Vine does love to play the victim.
There is some bad planning with some cycle lanes. But I don't think you're right here. As previous posters have said, drivers don't tend to turn left when they're not in the left lane. Here, there's a lane to the left - a cycle lane.
Of course it can't be right that that means the car can't turn left at all. But it seems fair that a cyclist in a cycle lane should have right of way when going straight on and shouldn't expect drivers to turn into them. Drivers don't expect to be forced to slow down by bigger vehicles who feel like turning. Nor should cyclists.
We do slow down, sometimes because we're nice, sometimes to create on the road, and sometimes because we're scared of those massive metal boxes hurtling around, but we shouldn't have to. "
A cycle lane on the left of a main road, might as well be a train track.
The councils have installed a new inside lane that has potential 20 to 30mph vehicles flying down, vehicles that are harder to spot due to their size.
I understand there are those that are tribal in what they drive,ride or jog etc....but there is a thing called risk assessments and the biggest factor is trying to eliminate human error.
Crap idea having these lanes as they are.
On the flip side, as a pedestrian how many times has a cyclist nearly taken you out? |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"I've been cycling all my life and I can guarantee what I've been wearing has zero impact on close passes and near misses.
Me too, if anything it can make a cyclist mire of a target
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"To be fair, its crap traffic planning. You have a cycle lane running parallel with a main road, with lots of turn in's /carparks, for faster traffic to cut into.
You wouldn't turn left across traffic on a duel carriage way into a car park.
Drivers are usually looking to the right, behind and immediately into the left in the direction they are trying to turn into.
No ones fault really, however Jeremy Vine does love to play the victim.
There is some bad planning with some cycle lanes. But I don't think you're right here. As previous posters have said, drivers don't tend to turn left when they're not in the left lane. Here, there's a lane to the left - a cycle lane.
Of course it can't be right that that means the car can't turn left at all. But it seems fair that a cyclist in a cycle lane should have right of way when going straight on and shouldn't expect drivers to turn into them. Drivers don't expect to be forced to slow down by bigger vehicles who feel like turning. Nor should cyclists.
We do slow down, sometimes because we're nice, sometimes to create [harmony] on the road, and sometimes because we're scared of those massive metal boxes hurtling around, but we shouldn't have to. "
Missed out a word - now added in square brackets. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Just went and rewatched and nope he didn't speed up at all imo! X"
I believe he did. He also could have stopped about 5-10 yards sooner but chose to ride right up to the car.
I’ve said the driver was in the wrong but Jeremy Vine purposely made this out to be a lot worse than it was. |
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"I've been cycling all my life and I can guarantee what I've been wearing has zero impact on close passes and near misses.
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Agreed! I have been cycling 50 odd years never driven!cycle to and from work! Have lights visible clothing stop at light follow the rules of the road! Get motorists daily pass me ridiculously close! Speed up if I'm trying to turn right to pass me! How I've been unscathed all these years is only down to me anticipating how bad they are driving! Shouldn't have 2! X |
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"Just went and rewatched and nope he didn't speed up at all imo! X
I believe he did. He also could have stopped about 5-10 yards sooner but chose to ride right up to the car.
I’ve said the driver was in the wrong but Jeremy Vine purposely made this out to be a lot worse than it was."
Guess agree to disagree! X |
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By *rjamesMan
over a year ago
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The cyclist is not to blame.
Those saying "he overreacted" clearly don't know what it is like being a cyclist dealing with these sort of incidents every day.
Those saying "he could have slowed down sooner", the cyclist may have assumed the car was going to stop turning once the driver saw it WASN'T CLEAR. Also, if you put on the breaks every time you *think* someone might cut you up, you might get smashed from behind.
I'm a driver by the way, and rarely cycle on the roads because of how terrible the roads and infrastructure are around where I live. |
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"The cyclist is not to blame.
Those saying "he overreacted" clearly don't know what it is like being a cyclist dealing with these sort of incidents every day.
Those saying "he could have slowed down sooner", the cyclist may have assumed the car was going to stop turning once the driver saw it WASN'T CLEAR. Also, if you put on the breaks every time you *think* someone might cut you up, you might get smashed from behind.
I'm a driver by the way, and rarely cycle on the roads because of how terrible the roads and infrastructure are around where I live."
Exactly. Some posts make it seem like cyclist are secondary stakeholders of the road (at best). That drivers are doing them a favour allowing them to cycle there - so if a driver is turning, the cyclist should stop if they can. Drivers don't stop "when they can"; they stop when the Highway Code requires it. |
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Cyclists dont trust motorists because they generally dont keep the required distance from them
Motorists dislike cyclists because they generally dont resepect red lights.
If only both could just do these things |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"The cyclist is not to blame.
Those saying "he overreacted" clearly don't know what it is like being a cyclist dealing with these sort of incidents every day.
Those saying "he could have slowed down sooner", the cyclist may have assumed the car was going to stop turning once the driver saw it WASN'T CLEAR. Also, if you put on the breaks every time you *think* someone might cut you up, you might get smashed from behind.
I'm a driver by the way, and rarely cycle on the roads because of how terrible the roads and infrastructure are around where I live.
Exactly. Some posts make it seem like cyclist are secondary stakeholders of the road (at best). That drivers are doing them a favour allowing them to cycle there - so if a driver is turning, the cyclist should stop if they can. Drivers don't stop "when they can"; they stop when the Highway Code requires it. "
I have nothing against cyclists. As a driver I scan for hazards and adjust my speed/distance accordingly even if I have right of way. It’s part of driving on roads. |
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By *TG3Man
over a year ago
Dorchester |
"There was no collision so in fact nobody can be at fault. By dressing in black you are contributing to your own danger. Does the highway code advise horse riders and cyclists to wear clothes to be seen. Tom does wonder if some of these cyclist types with big cameras are out looking for trouble. Safety is about the person kids today wear black hoodies, hoods up and masks under and no lights on bike whats that all about
I could have a lighthouse on top of my head and still get cut up! X"
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"There was no collision so in fact nobody can be at fault. By dressing in black you are contributing to your own danger. Does the highway code advise horse riders and cyclists to wear clothes to be seen. Tom does wonder if some of these cyclist types with big cameras are out looking for trouble. Safety is about the person kids today wear black hoodies, hoods up and masks under and no lights on bike whats that all about
I could have a lighthouse on top of my head and still get cut up! Xyes but the ships would be safe "
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"Cyclists dont trust motorists because they generally dont keep the required distance from them
Motorists dislike cyclists because they generally dont resepect red lights.
If only both could just do these things "
I don't like motorists because their patience or inattention could easily kill me. And that's just the ones driving legally. And the judicial system will likely deem my life insignificant with some motorists convicted receiving nothing more than a fine and points.
The 'red lights' is another argument that quite simply doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Quite simply we live in a culture and society where the car is seen as king and people object to cyclists for delaying them even if that delay is often little more than perception. |
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"Cyclists dont trust motorists because they generally dont keep the required distance from them
Motorists dislike cyclists because they generally dont resepect red lights.
If only both could just do these things
I don't like motorists because their patience or inattention could easily kill me. And that's just the ones driving legally. And the judicial system will likely deem my life insignificant with some motorists convicted receiving nothing more than a fine and points.
The 'red lights' is another argument that quite simply doesn't hold up to scrutiny. Quite simply we live in a culture and society where the car is seen as king and people object to cyclists for delaying them even if that delay is often little more than perception."
Indeed to the last point. I'm sure drivers delay me far more than I delay them. |
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"To be fair, its crap traffic planning. You have a cycle lane running parallel with a main road, with lots of turn in's /carparks, for faster traffic to cut into.
You wouldn't turn left across traffic on a duel carriage way into a car park.
Drivers are usually looking to the right, behind and immediately into the left in the direction they are trying to turn into.
No ones fault really, however Jeremy Vine does love to play the victim.
There is some bad planning with some cycle lanes. But I don't think you're right here. As previous posters have said, drivers don't tend to turn left when they're not in the left lane. Here, there's a lane to the left - a cycle lane.
Of course it can't be right that that means the car can't turn left at all. But it seems fair that a cyclist in a cycle lane should have right of way when going straight on and shouldn't expect drivers to turn into them. Drivers don't expect to be forced to slow down by bigger vehicles who feel like turning. Nor should cyclists.
We do slow down, sometimes because we're nice, sometimes to create on the road, and sometimes because we're scared of those massive metal boxes hurtling around, but we shouldn't have to.
A cycle lane on the left of a main road, might as well be a train track.
The councils have installed a new inside lane that has potential 20 to 30mph vehicles flying down, vehicles that are harder to spot due to their size.
I understand there are those that are tribal in what they drive,ride or jog etc....but there is a thing called risk assessments and the biggest factor is trying to eliminate human error.
Crap idea having these lanes as they are.
On the flip side, as a pedestrian how many times has a cyclist nearly taken you out?"
I don’t know what the answer is for cycle lanes and left turns but it does seem, to me at least, that the current situation of making a car have to cross a lane of traffic (the cycle lane) to turn left is wrong. It is clearly dangerous for the cyclists and it is not always easy for a car to see everyone in the lane. As someone said above - you would normally have vehicles turning left in the left hand lane so to remove that is going to cause issues.
It is also strange that undertaking is considered dangerous because a car might move left and not expect traffic to be there but it is considered safe to have a much smaller vehicle (a bike) effectively do the same thing.
Maybe one suggestion would be to give priority to vehicles that are indicating left and moving into/across another lane of traffic. Make it explicit who has right of way. It would also mean that slower traffic has to let faster traffic in on the motor way or a dual carriage way.
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"There was no collision so in fact nobody can be at fault. By dressing in black you are contributing to your own danger. Does the highway code advise horse riders and cyclists to wear clothes to be seen. Tom does wonder if some of these cyclist types with big cameras are out looking for trouble.
That makes no sense whatsoever - you need damage for someone to be at fault? "
There was no collision so nobody is at fault. Insurance do not pay out for near misses |
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Spotting a bus is much easier than spotting vine on his bike.
It was just an accident, obviously didn't see him, no harm done, vine being his usual Pollock self.
He could have used some hazard perception and anticipated it. |
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If Jeremy Vine was a bus in a bus lane would the car have turned and who would be in the right? Do we expect the bus to give way? Well… It's exactly the same principle for a bike in a cycle lane. ‘The turning vehicle gives way’… There really should be no need to debate this. |
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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago
Chelmsford |
"If Jeremy Vine was a bus in a bus lane would the car have turned and who would be in the right? Do we expect the bus to give way? Well… It's exactly the same principle for a bike in a cycle lane. ‘The turning vehicle gives way’… There really should be no need to debate this."
But he was not a bus in a bus lane but he was dressed in dark clothing.. the invisible cloak of the victim. Blame others and not yourself ....
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"If Jeremy Vine was a bus in a bus lane would the car have turned and who would be in the right? Do we expect the bus to give way? Well… It's exactly the same principle for a bike in a cycle lane. ‘The turning vehicle gives way’… There really should be no need to debate this."
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"There was no collision so in fact nobody can be at fault. By dressing in black you are contributing to your own danger. Does the highway code advise horse riders and cyclists to wear clothes to be seen. Tom does wonder if some of these cyclist types with big cameras are out looking for trouble. "
But Tom is obviously not suggesting that the driver couldn't see the cyclist, so I'm not sure what Tom's point is. |
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over a year ago
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JV won't be satisfied until he gets a ride in the back of an ambulance. Great for his ratings.
He was watching in his mini wing mirror for that bus.
Looked totally staged.
He has found his little attention goldmine and he will work it like a pro for clicks. |
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"There was no collision so in fact nobody can be at fault. By dressing in black you are contributing to your own danger. Does the highway code advise horse riders and cyclists to wear clothes to be seen. Tom does wonder if some of these cyclist types with big cameras are out looking for trouble.
But Tom is obviously not suggesting that the driver couldn't see the cyclist, so I'm not sure what Tom's point is. "
It is another of his look at me posts, see what shit can be stirred up if any. |
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By *a LunaWoman
over a year ago
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I have seen his latest video.
I personally think he’s a bit of a knob, but the bus WAS breathtakingly close to him.
I have to say I think anyone who rides a bike in London or any City for that matter should get a badge for bravery! I couldn’t do it - I’d be a nervous bell ringing wreck. |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"JV won't be satisfied until he gets a ride in the back of an ambulance. Great for his ratings.
He was watching in his mini wing mirror for that bus.
Looked totally staged.
He has found his little attention goldmine and he will work it like a pro for clicks."
Literally no cyclist would "stage" being that close to a bus. Close passes are scary enough but it is hard to express how scary a close pass from a bus or HGV is because if it clips you or destabilises you enough to fall then you are probably going to die |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
Not all that North of North London |
"I have seen his latest video.
I personally think he’s a bit of a knob, but the bus WAS breathtakingly close to him.
I have to say I think anyone who rides a bike in London or any City for that matter should get a badge for bravery! I couldn’t do it - I’d be a nervous bell ringing wreck."
I used to ride in London all the time amd loved it. I still do occasionally but it feels way more scary now I'm no longer conditioned to it. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I ride a lot, and always have front and rear lights on. If I ride when its turns dark I have a luminescent jacket that goes on. Lights, bells, luminescent tops and helmets should all be legal requirements on the road |
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"JV won't be satisfied until he gets a ride in the back of an ambulance. Great for his ratings.
He was watching in his mini wing mirror for that bus.
Looked totally staged.
He has found his little attention goldmine and he will work it like a pro for clicks.
Literally no cyclist would "stage" being that close to a bus. Close passes are scary enough but it is hard to express how scary a close pass from a bus or HGV is because if it clips you or destabilises you enough to fall then you are probably going to die"
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"JV won't be satisfied until he gets a ride in the back of an ambulance. Great for his ratings.
He was watching in his mini wing mirror for that bus.
Looked totally staged.
He has found his little attention goldmine and he will work it like a pro for clicks.
Literally no cyclist would "stage" being that close to a bus. Close passes are scary enough but it is hard to express how scary a close pass from a bus or HGV is because if it clips you or destabilises you enough to fall then you are probably going to die
Exactly! 100% x "
If you look at the whole video, only the one from the lefthand side of his handle bars makes it look like a close call. All the overhead ones show a decent gap.
Smoke and mirrors for effect. |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"JV won't be satisfied until he gets a ride in the back of an ambulance. Great for his ratings.
He was watching in his mini wing mirror for that bus.
Looked totally staged.
He has found his little attention goldmine and he will work it like a pro for clicks.
Literally no cyclist would "stage" being that close to a bus. Close passes are scary enough but it is hard to express how scary a close pass from a bus or HGV is because if it clips you or destabilises you enough to fall then you are probably going to die
Exactly! 100% x
If you look at the whole video, only the one from the lefthand side of his handle bars makes it look like a close call. All the overhead ones show a decent gap.
Smoke and mirrors for effect."
So you are saying the bus gave the 1.5 metres that they are legally required to?
Honestly regardless of opinions on Vine anyone that thinks that pass is anything other than incredibly dangerous and potentially fatal shouldn't be driving. |
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But there are some very reasonable comments above from a number of others regarding sharing the road and mutual respect and common sense attitudes to how/when you could or should take up a certain road position, etc.
If you CAN make way, surely it's reasonable to be courteous.
He could have been sensible and cautious and steered a little to the left to ensure all can travel safely and share the road. But that wouldn't suit his agenda or his ego. |
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By *ohn KanakaMan
over a year ago
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"But there are some very reasonable comments above from a number of others regarding sharing the road and mutual respect and common sense attitudes to how/when you could or should take up a certain road position, etc.
If you CAN make way, surely it's reasonable to be courteous.
He could have been sensible and cautious and steered a little to the left to ensure all can travel safely and share the road. But that wouldn't suit his agenda or his ego."
Or the bus could have waited until it was safe to pass.
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"JV won't be satisfied until he gets a ride in the back of an ambulance. Great for his ratings.
He was watching in his mini wing mirror for that bus.
Looked totally staged.
He has found his little attention goldmine and he will work it like a pro for clicks.
Literally no cyclist would "stage" being that close to a bus. Close passes are scary enough but it is hard to express how scary a close pass from a bus or HGV is because if it clips you or destabilises you enough to fall then you are probably going to die
Exactly! 100% x
If you look at the whole video, only the one from the lefthand side of his handle bars makes it look like a close call. All the overhead ones show a decent gap.
Smoke and mirrors for effect.
So you are saying the bus gave the 1.5 metres that they are legally required to?
Honestly regardless of opinions on Vine anyone that thinks that pass is anything other than incredibly dangerous and potentially fatal shouldn't be driving. "
There are so many out there that need to rethink their driving! I cycle to and from work along a busy main road no cycle path on that stretch! And it's very few that leave the correct passing distance! And actually I find it's the Lorry's that do! And God forbid when I need to do my right turn into my road when I move put my arm out they see that as indication to speed up and pass me! x |
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"JV won't be satisfied until he gets a ride in the back of an ambulance. Great for his ratings.
He was watching in his mini wing mirror for that bus.
Looked totally staged.
He has found his little attention goldmine and he will work it like a pro for clicks.
Literally no cyclist would "stage" being that close to a bus. Close passes are scary enough but it is hard to express how scary a close pass from a bus or HGV is because if it clips you or destabilises you enough to fall then you are probably going to die
Exactly! 100% x
If you look at the whole video, only the one from the lefthand side of his handle bars makes it look like a close call. All the overhead ones show a decent gap.
Smoke and mirrors for effect.
So you are saying the bus gave the 1.5 metres that they are legally required to?
Honestly regardless of opinions on Vine anyone that thinks that pass is anything other than incredibly dangerous and potentially fatal shouldn't be driving.
There are so many out there that need to rethink their driving! I cycle to and from work along a busy main road no cycle path on that stretch! And it's very few that leave the correct passing distance! And actually I find it's the Lorry's that do! And God forbid when I need to do my right turn into my road when I move put my arm out they see that as indication to speed up and pass me! x"
Yes, a lot of drivers don’t adhere to the 1.5 metre clear rule. And anything above 30mph should allow more. |
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