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Obesity benefits plan

By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I’ve just watched a report on the BBC news where apparently Westminster Council are now considering proposals that would cut welfare benefits for overweight people who won’t attend exercise classes.!.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

More fat bashing lol will they do the same for smokers who don't get the quit kits? Or drinkers who don't attend AA groups, or drug users who don't go into rehab??

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Also talking about cutting winter fuel allowance for pensioners! Quote:

"The majority of pensioners should see their winter fuel allowance cut to help fund a reformed system of care for the elderly, a former minister has said.

Liberal Democrat MP Paul Burstow said targeting the allowance for all but the poorest of pensioners would help pay for a fairer system of state support for old age care."

Quote taken from MSN

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Tricky one this as can see good and bad sides to it. Plus side is folk will get fitter downside is who decides what is obese. For example is size 14 obese. I carry more weight than i wish but do keep fit.

I fear this coukd create more problems than it solves although in principle idea is ok i fear this is more to do with aaving money than actually helping folk. Who would pay for the classes if its council then would other taxpayers be happy. Local councils do not have legal power to stop benefits.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I get the feeling this will be a controversial thread !

As a concept you could argue fairs fair....if you are irresponsible with your health ie smoking, drinking obesity then why should tax payers fund you more than people who look after themselves.

Though we all know its never that simple. There are massive taxes on cigarettes, so isn't it time we placed health warnings on all the junk supermarkets sell us....processed foods full of fat etc and provide healthy affordable good foods ?

I eat healthily and get exercise but whom am I to point the finger ?

A difficult one to resolve to say the least !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"I’ve just watched a report on the BBC news where apparently Westminster Council are now considering proposals that would cut welfare benefits for overweight people who won’t attend exercise classes.!.

Morning Soxy .....This is so wrong and not the way to do ! And will they pay for these classes and getting there out of there budget ?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

More proof politicians are useless w****rs with no grasp on everyday life in this country

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By *eavenNhellCouple over a year ago

carrbrook stalybridge

Nothing supprises me with this shower in charge suspect either of them won't be happy untill we see the return of workhouses for the "benefit scroungers" !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"More proof politicians are useless w****rs with no grasp on everyday life in this country "

Well I understand your reason for the comment, but someone has to take hold of such issues as unemployment, health care etc.

The real issue is you can't continuously fund services with insufficient funds....so how do we resolve the problem?

It's easy to bash people in authority but if we don't have a solution ourselves then maybe we shouldn't

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ok well im not on benefits but i am over weight, though i swim and walk quite a lot so my fitness levels arent bad.I tried to get help through my GP with my weight issues but there was nothing they could offer me, the media and the government can fatty bash as much as they like but unless they offer some realistic practical help its not going to make any difference x

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So how will this work then? We all gotta stand in line at the benefit offices and wait to be weighed?!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Ok well im not on benefits but i am over weight, though i swim and walk quite a lot so my fitness levels arent bad.I tried to get help through my GP with my weight issues but there was nothing they could offer me, the media and the government can fatty bash as much as they like but unless they offer some realistic practical help its not going to make any difference x"

Ok not necessarily my _iew point but ill play devils advocate....why should they help isn't it your responsibility ?

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By *ub bbwWoman over a year ago

oldbury

I am overweight and trying to do something about but being unemployed right now I can't afford slimming clubs and gym memberships so I walk and do what I can for free. I take responsibility for my weight myself so why shouldn't other people. I am able to work and look forward to finding a new job so why should I be penalized I think they should look at the idiots who don't look forward work and just expect payments every week

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Ok not necessarily my _iew point but ill play devils advocate....why should they help isn't it your responsibility ? "

Yes i think it is my responsibility, but if the media and government are making themselves involved in

it they need to have answers not just add to the pressures x

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple over a year ago

in Lancashire

dont see much wrong with means testing for winter fuel payments tbh..

multi millionaires or ex pats on the costa are hardly needy of it by and large, yes there will be exceptions across the board..

depending how they do it cost wise etc it could divert funds to other area's of elderly care perhaps..

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

In favour if it means I get legs like yours as a result

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

In favour if it means I get legs like yours as a result

Ah Affro,,,,,yeah,,,ahem…. That’s not through exercise though

…..

You see the truth is I wrap them tightly with cling film and sit in a chest freezer for 3 hours before I take my pictures,,,

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

In favour if it means I get legs like yours as a result

Ah Affro,,,,,yeah,,,ahem…. That’s not through exercise though

…..

You see the truth is I wrap them tightly with cling film and sit in a chest freezer for 3 hours before I take my pictures,,,

WOuldn't that make you very stiff?

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

In favour if it means I get legs like yours as a result

Ah Affro,,,,,yeah,,,ahem…. That’s not through exercise though

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You see the truth is I wrap them tightly with cling film and sit in a chest freezer for 3 hours before I take my pictures,,,

WOuldn't that make you very stiff?

Indeed it can Affro,,,,, especially when I accidentally sit on a frozen carrot …..

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

Ok.....thoughts on this now, not just reaction!!

Obesity and related illness costs the NHS big bucks, I know. So it would seem appropriate to make steps to reclaim some of this money to help to continue to provide these service BUT it's not just obesity that costs and so other lifestyle choices should be hit to.

Who is going to monitor attendance to classes? there have just been massive cuts across the public sector....will this create new jobs or put more workload on the existing staff?

Will there be targeted weight loss, performance related benefits? I have been to slimming world, rosemary Connelly, weight watchers etc and bounces around YeH same couple of lbs. Just because you attend a class does not mean you will lose weight and be any less at risk of obesity related illness.

Perhaps better education in schools, training from medical practitioners can be used. Last year I attended a 6 week programme for diabetes patients that was very helpful and informative. It dispelled a lot of myths and set a lot of things right for me but I had to ask my nurse about it, it was not freely offered.

Most surgeries now a days have exercise on prescription services but again, they are not advertised readily.

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

In favour if it means I get legs like yours as a result

Ah Affro,,,,,yeah,,,ahem…. That’s not through exercise though

…..

You see the truth is I wrap them tightly with cling film and sit in a chest freezer for 3 hours before I take my pictures,,,

WOuldn't that make you very stiff?

Indeed it can Affro,,,,, especially when I accidentally sit on a frozen carrot …..

"
Puts Juliennes into a new perspective...;-)

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Ok.....thoughts on this now, not just reaction!!

Who is going to monitor attendance to classes? there have just been massive cuts across the public sector....will this create new jobs or put more workload on the existing staff?

Most surgeries now a days have exercise on prescription services but again, they are not advertised readily. "
Well said!

There is also a growing number of experts who are suggesting that the problem of growing obesity in many of western societies is directly linked to soem of the ingredients we are being sold as healthy. Many ingredients in processed foods are disguised sugars and designed to make us store fat.

I firmly believe if being of a healthy weight was so simple.... we would not have so many people trying to loose weight.

I am not entering the discussion on what is sexy / attractive but more on the notion that being slim is simply a matter of willpower. It is not for most overweight people.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

It is proven that fat cells are a lot like empty buckets, when you become overweight especially as a young person it is very difficult to lose and then easier to put on. The thing I find hard is that it is actually quite difficult to buy really healthy food. Waitrose is great for ingredients but many other shops aren't and we tend to buy most of our staples in France as they have far cheaper better quality food than the slop we put up with in major supermarkets. It is really hard but why not just get rid of the shops that sell crap

Why not ban Greggs?

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By *rightonsteveMan over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

We buy food in France too but mainly wine and cakes.

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"It is proven that fat cells are a lot like empty buckets, when you become overweight especially as a young person it is very difficult to lose and then easier to put on. The thing I find hard is that it is actually quite difficult to buy really healthy food. Waitrose is great for ingredients but many other shops aren't and we tend to buy most of our staples in France as they have far cheaper better quality food than the slop we put up with in major supermarkets. It is really hard but why not just get rid of the shops that sell crap

Why not ban Greggs?"
Could not agree with you more. Healthy choices are often few and far between and sometimes prohibitively expensive.

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"We buy food in France too but mainly wine and cakes.

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Trust you... there is always one...;-)

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"I am overweight and trying to do something about but being unemployed right now I can't afford slimming clubs and gym memberships so I walk and do what I can for free. I take responsibility for my weight myself so why shouldn't other people. I am able to work and look forward to finding a new job so why should I be penalized I think they should look at the idiots who don't look forward work and just expect payments every week"

Your GP can refer you to classes and I think its free...

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

Why not ban Greggs?"

Ok......hands up to ignorance here.....do we pay tax on food?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Why not ban Greggs?

Ok......hands up to ignorance here.....do we pay tax on food? "

Yes I think we do... I know we pay tax to eat in and not if we take away...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

For the majority of people being overweight is something that they can control. It's whether they a) know how and b) want to.

the a) is tricky as most people take their advice from magazines and celeb diets (which is often so crap that people put on more weight). Also, people need to consider rate of weight loss which can be dispiriting. Further, when people exercise they actually can put on weight so weight isn't the be all and end all. In fact if you use BMI, then many professional rugby players would be considered to be obese. and b) wanting to is a huge part of this, I don't mean wishing to, I mean actually wanting to because they see the benenfits. I train so many people who complain about knee problems or back problems and they're a good 25% heavier than they should be. Knee pain is often about physics. The more weight on the joint, the more stress, the more likely to have pain. Same goes for lower backs and ankles.

So, one council is exploring the idea, sadly I suspect their scientific information will not be guided by research, but by popular media so this will be Much Ado About Nothing (again).

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By *ub bbwWoman over a year ago

oldbury

Your GP can refer you to classes and I think its free... "
they only have limited numbers and because I have no health problems connected to my weight they have told me I'm not eligible

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"For the majority of people being overweight is something that they can control. It's whether they a) know how and b) want to.

So, one council is exploring the idea, sadly I suspect their scientific information will not be guided by research, but by popular media so this will be Much Ado About Nothing (again).

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Very balanced

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

Why not ban Greggs?

Ok......hands up to ignorance here.....do we pay tax on food?

Yes I think we do... I know we pay tax to eat in and not if we take away..."

So why not just remove tax from healthy food? Or is this going to raise the whole pasty tax debate again;?

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

Your GP can refer you to classes and I think its free... they only have limited numbers and because I have no health problems connected to my weight they have told me I'm not eligible "
I empathise with you - could you find a "weightloss buddy" with whom you could check in and weigh each week and support each other?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Sort out what is in these processed foods, what is healthy what isnt, do you really know what goes down your necks? Another area with too many experts to little knowledge

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

Your GP can refer you to classes and I think its free... they only have limited numbers and because I have no health problems connected to my weight they have told me I'm not eligible "

If you lived closer I'd come on walks etc with you and find free things we could do to lose weight.

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Sort out what is in these processed foods, what is healthy what isnt, do you really know what goes down your necks? Another area with too many experts to little knowledge"
I agree with you and unfortunately there is a lot of very conflicting advice from many sources so it is understandable that people are confused as to what is healthy.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Is this not just a ploy by the guy who posted on the forums moaning about there being too many BBW. If this and people lose weight ,all size 8 and below will be knocking at his door... CUNNING PLAN

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By *taffs_hotwifeCouple over a year ago

Wolverhampton

A good start would be to remove the greggs in new cross hospital! I think it's shocking.

I'm pretty sure there is a McDonalds in one of the Sheffield hospitals too.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

How many ingredient names do you know that are on processed foods? do you know where they come from ??? Do you know what preservatives are in your foods or drinks or where they come from....a real eye opener when you google them

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"A good start would be to remove the greggs in new cross hospital! I think it's shocking.

I'm pretty sure there is a McDonalds in one of the Sheffield hospitals too. "
It goes to show what the power of big multinationals can achieve - I find that shocking, too.

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By (user no longer on site) OP over a year ago

I guess there are many reasons people become overweight…..

(I appreciate its not always down to an overactive knife and fork)

But apparently this proposal was part of a cost cutting initiative aimed at making savings against the escalating cost of subsidising healthcare for overweight people,,,

It leaves me wondering what kind cretinous official thought it was either practical or financially workable as a proposal and didn’t they see the unfair social divide they were countenancing leaving more affluent overweight individual free from any added financial responsibility for weight related healthcare….!.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Quote "Is this not just a ploy by the guy who posted on the forums moaning about there being too many BBW. If this and people lose weight ,all size 8 and below will be knocking at his door... CUNNING PLAN"

I think the BBW's are in a greater number than the Size 8's and below.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"A good start would be to remove the greggs in new cross hospital! I think it's shocking.

I'm pretty sure there is a McDonalds in one of the Sheffield hospitals too. "

I agree with you. When my nan was ill in hospital in barking their canteen seemed verygood, offering a wide choice of meals but when my grandad was in hospital in Bournemouth they had a burger king and other fast food outlets in there. I didn't think that was right.

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Quote "Is this not just a ploy by the guy who posted on the forums moaning about there being too many BBW. If this and people lose weight ,all size 8 and below will be knocking at his door... CUNNING PLAN"

I think the BBW's are in a greater number than the Size 8's and below. "
They announced on the news a couple of days ago or so... that 60 percent or more of the British population are overweight/ obese... so it is hardly surprising that you find more cuddly than very slim people on here. (Incidentally both can be very sexy!)

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

I think the BBW's are in a greater number than the Size 8's and below. "

I think you missed the point of the post

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Right ho, just a few things.

1) don't focus on your weight focus on shape and tone - you may find that as you get fitter, you don't actually lose more weight.

2) Walking is superb - rather than just walking all the time though, try and vary your terrain, your speed - do short bursts of speed walking (when no one is looking).

3) Cut out the crap carbs as much as you can without making yourself miserable! White bread/chocolate/pasta/pizza/sugar in coffee or tea but don't forget you can have these sometimes.

4)DON'T WEIGH YOURSELF OBSESSIVELY!!!!!!

If you must, do it once a month. Just being dehydrated can lose you a couple of kgs as one litre of water=1kg (2.2lbs in old money)so often weighing yourself every day looks like you've put on/lost weight really quickly.

5)Have a target for something - race for life, do a 10k (you don't have to run and many don't, they walk and do it with friends). Don't have any friends? Joing a walking club

6)Challenge yourself - go for a fast walk when it's pissing it down with the promise of a big steaming hot chocolate when you get back! It's just about cardio sometimes.

Finally - Good Luck x

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

You are only up the road from me we can go for walks if you want to like eves suggested.... or there is zumba on a Thursday...

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By *reelove1969Couple over a year ago

bristol

You are only up the road from me we can go for walks if you want to like eves suggested.... or there is zumba on a Thursday..."

what a very kind and lovely idea !

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Also talking about cutting winter fuel allowance for pensioners! Quote:

"The majority of pensioners should see their winter fuel allowance cut to help fund a reformed system of care for the elderly, a former minister has said.

Liberal Democrat MP Paul Burstow said targeting the allowance for all but the poorest of pensioners would help pay for a fairer system of state support for old age care."

Quote taken from MSN

I watched him in that inter_iew and it was nothing but soundbites. He could not gaurantee that money raised from cutting the winter fuel allowance would be ringfenced to provide long term healthcare for pensioners who need it.

I do believe wealthy pensioners should not receive the WFA (they shouldn't receive ANY benefits to my mind) but there are not that many wealthy pensioners to make it worthwhile. £150/week is NOT a wealthy pensioner.

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By *riendly foeWoman over a year ago

In a crisp poke on the A814

IF someone is "prescribed" (which costs the NHS) a leisure card for fitness reasons and they dont attend, then yes I agree, something should be done! They are not saying every obese person will be affected, only those who have asked GP for said prescribed card. WHY ask for such card, knowing it is costing someone else, and not get the benefit of it! They are not discriminating against obese people, they are discriminating against those that are wasting valuable NHS money!!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"IF someone is "prescribed" (which costs the NHS) a leisure card for fitness reasons and they dont attend, then yes I agree, something should be done! They are not saying every obese person will be affected, only those who have asked GP for said prescribed card. WHY ask for such card, knowing it is costing someone else, and not get the benefit of it! They are not discriminating against obese people, they are discriminating against those that are wasting valuable NHS money!!!"

It's a bit rich punishing people who waste it's money when the colossal level of waste within the NHS itself goes unchecked. It's very much like asking someone for £10, then throwing £5 of it away and blaming the person you borrowed it from.

Scrap the hole fookin thing to my mind.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think the BBW's are in a greater number than the Size 8's and below.

I think you missed the point of the post

One was being sarcastic

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Also talking about cutting winter fuel allowance for pensioners! Quote:

"The majority of pensioners should see their winter fuel allowance cut to help fund a reformed system of care for the elderly, a former minister has said.

Liberal Democrat MP Paul Burstow said targeting the allowance for all but the poorest of pensioners would help pay for a fairer system of state support for old age care."

Quote taken from MSN

ive just been watching this one the news

They said they want to cut down fuel grants in order to put the money towards care for the elderly

Home care for elderly people is paid by the council, we pay for it in our council tax, so how is the goverment cutting fuel grants helping towards their care?

I wonder where the money they'll save will really going

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By *riskynriskyCouple over a year ago

Essex.

"Nothing supprises me with this shower in charge suspect either of them won't be happy untill we see the return of workhouses for the "benefit scroungers" !"

What a good idea, why should I pay for a scrounger to sit at home play xbox and watching sky on a 50" tv that I'm paying for.

The big problem is if you are on low wages or loose your job after paying tax for many years you get less help than someone who has never worked.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

If you want benefits, you ooht to earn them. It's not 'free money', it has come out of the pockets of your neighbours, money that they have WORKED for.

This is the idea behind Jobseekers allowance. Do something useful to be earning your benefits.

Smokers pay taxes, so do drinkers. This goes towards offsetting the healthcare pitfalls they encounter later in life.

Being fit is no-one's responsibility but your own. It costs nothing to step out of your door and walk/run. Taxpayers (who have to fund their own gym membership) paying for your classes? fuck off!! Once again, the hard-working support the lazy. If you want to be fat, that's fine, just don't expect me to pay for you.

JUST EXERCISE MORE AND EAT LESS, THEN YOU CAN HAVE YOUR BENEFITS BACK. Deal? sounds fair to me. It wouldn't offend me if the same was applied to smokers, but perhaps that's another thread/discussion.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"More fat bashing lol will they do the same for smokers who don't get the quit kits? Or drinkers who don't attend AA groups, or drug users who don't go into rehab??

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..that just might be next.xx

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

"If you want benefits, you ooht to earn them. It's not 'free money', it has come out of the pockets of your neighbours, money that they have WORKED for.

This is the idea behind Jobseekers allowance. Do something useful to be earning your benefits.

Smokers pay taxes, so do drinkers. This goes towards offsetting the healthcare pitfalls they encounter later in life.

JUST EXERCISE MORE AND EAT LESS, THEN YOU CAN HAVE YOUR BENEFITS BACK. Deal? sounds fair to me. It wouldn't offend me if the same was applied to smokers, but perhaps that's another thread/discussion.

so.....going back to a previous post...do we pay tax on food? if so people who eat more pay more tax

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Your GP can refer you to classes and I think its free... "

In London GLL do Healthwise, your gp refers you

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"More fat bashing lol will they do the same for smokers who don't get the quit kits? Or drinkers who don't attend AA groups, or drug users who don't go into rehab??"

great idea. you want something off us? do something FOR us then (something that will benefit both you and society in general).

As i said, too many people on the dole think it is free money that magically appears from London. Rather than being the penultimate line on my payslip (the deductions one)

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

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By *Ryan-Man over a year ago

In Your Bush

"If you want benefits, you ooht to earn them. It's not 'free money', it has come out of the pockets of your neighbours, money that they have WORKED for.

This is the idea behind Jobseekers allowance. Do something useful to be earning your benefits.

Smokers pay taxes, so do drinkers. This goes towards offsetting the healthcare pitfalls they encounter later in life.

JUST EXERCISE MORE AND EAT LESS, THEN YOU CAN HAVE YOUR BENEFITS BACK. Deal? sounds fair to me. It wouldn't offend me if the same was applied to smokers, but perhaps that's another thread/discussion.

so.....going back to a previous post...do we pay tax on food? if so people who eat more pay more tax

Most food is 0% tax

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

so.....going back to a previous post...do we pay tax on food? if so people who eat more pay more tax

no, most basic food has no VAT.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

so.....going back to a previous post...do we pay tax on food? if so people who eat more pay more tax

no, most basic food has no VAT. "

ok then.....back to the drawing board

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I am just a fat bugger but I spend my wages on my food.... However when you are on benefits you buy what you can afford.. Which is not much. I have been on benefits and tried my best to eat good healthy food which was difficult. I had a set budget for food however when you are hungry and have a quid in your pocket.. The offers at the local fast food restaurant... I got that as it was cheap and it was food. We are an obese nation due to greed and the fast food joints and thee fried chicken shops that are appearing... usually in the less wealthy areas where people struggle.. Yes you can prevent yourself from getting fat by eating less but when the crap food is cheaper and you have a budget and a family to feed what option are you going to go for?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

£1 will get you a tin of beans, a tin of tuna and an apple in Tesco. It just requires willpower. I remember going to the supermarket for my week's shopping with a £20 note and a calculator. If I went over I had to put something back. Didn't eat crap back then.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

"£1 will get you a tin of beans, a tin of tuna and an apple in Tesco. It just requires willpower. I remember going to the supermarket for my week's shopping with a £20 note and a calculator. If I went over I had to put something back. Didn't eat crap back then."

Good for you....

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i think this is a great idea. the number of joint replacements that could be avoided if people where lighter. as well things like diabetes which cause multiple problems that people don't know quite grasp.

nerve damage, poor vision, ulcers and poor tissue healing are just some problems that could be avoided if people took some responsiblity.

GP exercise referral is underused and is a great way of doing this.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

dont know what tuna you are buying its £3 a tin round here haha

but i will agree, with the current budget brands and poundshops it is easier to buy food cheaply now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i wish they would just leave people alone.

if your happy with who you are sod everyone else.

it was only this week they were saying some foods arent so bad as they thought.

they know nothing, you know your body and what you like.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i wish they would just leave people alone.

if your happy with who you are sod everyone else.

it was only this week they were saying some foods arent so bad as they thought.

they know nothing, you know your body and what you like."

that's fine, as long as you don't expect the taxpayer to fund their lifestyle.

You (in general) want to be left alone? fine, we won't give you any money then!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i wish they would just leave people alone.

if your happy with who you are sod everyone else.

it was only this week they were saying some foods arent so bad as they thought.

they know nothing, you know your body and what you like.

that's fine, as long as you don't expect the taxpayer to fund their lifestyle.

You (in general) want to be left alone? fine, we won't give you any money then!"

i work and support myself so do not ask the state to do so.

and we? are you giving out money the then?

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By *riskynriskyCouple over a year ago

Essex.

"More fat bashing lol will they do the same for smokers who don't get the quit kits? Or drinkers who don't attend AA groups, or drug users who don't go into rehab??

..that just might be next.xx"

If the drug users won't go to rehab, a couple of tests then chop them up for organs... You could do the same for people who are sent to prison for more than 10 years..... Steps back and waits for big bang...

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I receive the winter fuel allowance. It covers the VAT I have to pay on the heating oil I buy throughout the year. Giveth in one hand and taketh away with the other!

I was 6'2" at the age of 13 and 12 1/2 stone at the age of 21 when I was demobbed. I was told that I needed a bit more weight when I applied to join the then Birmingham City Police. I didn't join because I didn't fancy being treated as a moron by a bunch of morons.

I have been about 14 stone for the past 40 odd years and I've never been one for fancy food, my other half is a lousy cook! Perhaps I should market the idea! Keep smiling cos I don't like the idea of subsidising some fat idle layabout who can't be bothered get off their fat backside and earn a living!

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"If you want benefits, you ooht to earn them. It's not 'free money', it has come out of the pockets of your neighbours, money that they have WORKED for.

You are assuming those people claiming JSA have never worked or paid the same way you have.

It could happen to you one day.

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

I am totally in support of giving people what they need to become healthy even if they perhaps made bad choices in the past, whether we are talking drug users, smokers, alcoholics, overweight people etc. I am not in support of this being an unlimited resource as funds are not endless and there are other needs to be met within the NHS. I was quite shocked when there was a guy on TV a couple of weeks ago occupying a specialist bariatric bed costing several hundred punds a day. He needed to lose a few pounds to demonstrate to the consultant that he was genuinely trying hard... while in hospital he cheated and bought sweets from the trolley and actually gained weight. When challenged on this he said something like that this was not his problem... it was the NHS providing a service he deserved. (He did managed to lose the weight eventually and got his surgery which was a positive outcome)

I was just really shocked at his attitude when there are loads of people needing treatment for one thing or another.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"I am just a fat bugger but I spend my wages on my food.... However when you are on benefits you buy what you can afford.. Which is not much. I have been on benefits and tried my best to eat good healthy food which was difficult. I had a set budget for food however when you are hungry and have a quid in your pocket.. The offers at the local fast food restaurant... I got that as it was cheap and it was food. We are an obese nation due to greed and the fast food joints and thee fried chicken shops that are appearing... usually in the less wealthy areas where people struggle.. Yes you can prevent yourself from getting fat by eating less but when the crap food is cheaper and you have a budget and a family to feed what option are you going to go for? "

I have to be honest, if I had a quid in my pocket and needed to eat, I would buy something out of a supermarket rather than a takeaway, you must get more for your money as takeaways are not cheap.

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"I don't like the idea of subsidising some fat idle layabout who can't be bothered get off their fat backside and earn a living!"
But not every overweight person fits that description... and there are some lazy but thin people as well

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"If you want benefits, you ooht to earn them. It's not 'free money', it has come out of the pockets of your neighbours, money that they have WORKED for.

You are assuming those people claiming JSA have never worked or paid the same way you have.

It could happen to you one day."

true.

you never know whats around the corner.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Wonder what uproar it would cause if they got away from the tax system and told every one to fend/provide for themselves.

Would the people on benefits go and steal directly from their neighbours or is it easier to moan about what they're entitled to and not give a shit about the people contributing to it?

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"If you want benefits, you ooht to earn them. It's not 'free money', it has come out of the pockets of your neighbours, money that they have WORKED for.

You are assuming those people claiming JSA have never worked or paid the same way you have.

It could happen to you one day."

I agree, most of us are no more than 1 to 3 months away from redundancy...

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"I am totally in support of giving people what they need to become healthy even if they perhaps made bad choices in the past, whether we are talking drug users, smokers, alcoholics, overweight people etc. I am not in support of this being an unlimited resource as funds are not endless and there are other needs to be met within the NHS. I was quite shocked when there was a guy on TV a couple of weeks ago occupying a specialist bariatric bed costing several hundred punds a day. He needed to lose a few pounds to demonstrate to the consultant that he was genuinely trying hard... while in hospital he cheated and bought sweets from the trolley and actually gained weight. When challenged on this he said something like that this was not his problem... it was the NHS providing a service he deserved. (He did managed to lose the weight eventually and got his surgery which was a positive outcome)

I was just really shocked at his attitude when there are loads of people needing treatment for one thing or another."

I saw that prgramme too....and the doc did explain in money terms what it could potentially cost medically for a morbidly obese person like him and the others he was treating. The cost over many years was a hell of a lot more than the operation etc to control the weight now.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

The 1st place they should look is The House of Lords & Then

The House of Parliament.....

We are all in this together said "Dave"........my fookin arse......

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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PS note the doc said the word " potentially ". We all know not every person who is overweight will cost the NHS a lot of money

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"More proof politicians are useless w****rs with no grasp on everyday life in this country "

More proof Tory politicians are useless w****rs with no grasp on everyday life in this country.

What was is their own Nadine Dorries said about "Unfortunately, I think that not only are Cameron and Osborne two posh boys who don't know the price of milk, but they are two arrogant posh boys who show no remorse, no contrition, and no passion to want to understand the lives of others - and that is their real crime." ?

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I have to be honest, if I had a quid in my pocket and needed to eat, I would buy something out of a supermarket rather than a takeaway, you must get more for your money as takeaways are not cheap."

I do agree with you on that one... I can't remember the last time I went into one of those chciken shops..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"The 1st place they should look is The House of Lords & Then

The House of Parliament.....

We are all in this together said "Dave"........my fookin arse......"

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By *urreyfun2008Man over a year ago

East Grinstead

"dont know what tuna you are buying its £3 a tin round here haha

but i will agree, with the current budget brands and poundshops it is easier to buy food cheaply now."

Try the Tescos own brand, 50p a tin, caught off Ghana. Also you can spot the brands at £1 a tin with various offers, just stop the cupboard up.

After redundancy, then a 40% drop in salary I've become adept at shopping. Having a veg garden helps a lot, and I tend to shop in season, thus avoiding high out of season prices for stuff.

In terms of keeping weight off, avoiding the booze has been the biggest help.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"PS note the doc said the word " potentially ". We all know not every person who is overweight will cost the NHS a lot of money

Not ALL but many, and the same will apply to many smokers and drinkers.

Should similar sanctions be applied to those who abuse their health via tobacco and alcohol too?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"More proof politicians are useless w****rs with no grasp on everyday life in this country

More proof Tory politicians are useless w****rs with no grasp on everyday life in this country.

and Labour had an enormously successful policy on tackling obesity didn't they?

You have to put an anti-Tory spin on every single thing you post in here when the reality is that many problems this country faces have not been dealt with by either a Tory or a Labour govt. I could call the last Labour govt useless wankers but I'd be stating the obvious.

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By *urreyfun2008Man over a year ago

East Grinstead

"I do agree with you on that one... I can't remember the last time I went into one of those chciken shops.. "

About only time I used the McD or BK's is when daughter is over and we are in London or me visiting US and we share a meal and a plain burger rather than two meals.

For occassional food they are ok, just like Christmas when we all enjoy rich/fatty food.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"PS note the doc said the word " potentially ". We all know not every person who is overweight will cost the NHS a lot of money

Not ALL but many, and the same will apply to many smokers and drinkers.

Should similar sanctions be applied to those who abuse their health via tobacco and alcohol too?"

There are sanctions already in place. They're called 'Higher Taxation'.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"PS note the doc said the word " potentially ". We all know not every person who is overweight will cost the NHS a lot of money

Not ALL but many, and the same will apply to many smokers and drinkers.

Should similar sanctions be applied to those who abuse their health via tobacco and alcohol too?"

TBH I havn't answered the OP yet, but yes, sanctions should be applied to all or not at all is my _iew.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i can see where the government is coming from.. there is alot of people on disability benefits cos of their weight!

ie back problems.. and the person weigh 25 stone.. some people have limited mobility cos fo weighing 25 stone plus.. so why should we pay them tonot do something about it..

at the moment u drink or smoke and have a condition made worseby doing so then u dont get full nhs treatment! if u give up then u r entitled to more help.

im sure there is more to thisstory than the OP..

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By *isscheekychopsWoman over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I need to go t total and only have booze on a special occasion because I have a vodka belly....

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"PS note the doc said the word " potentially ". We all know not every person who is overweight will cost the NHS a lot of money

Not ALL but many, and the same will apply to many smokers and drinkers.

Should similar sanctions be applied to those who abuse their health via tobacco and alcohol too?

There are sanctions already in place. They're called 'Higher Taxation'."

A lot of people excuse themselves from 'Higher Taxation' (whatever that is) by buying black market baccy to make roll-ups.

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By *reelove1969Couple over a year ago

bristol

i think some people are misunderstanding the proposal ie an overweight person has gone to their GP and asked for a prescription to join a health club. The doctor then prescribes this for them and they fail to use the health club whilst the NHS still have to pay for it

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"PS note the doc said the word " potentially ". We all know not every person who is overweight will cost the NHS a lot of money

Not ALL but many, and the same will apply to many smokers and drinkers.

Should similar sanctions be applied to those who abuse their health via

tobacco and alcohol too?"

Yes I agree the same should be applied to smokers alcoholics n drug users especially wen they refuse to Change it n won't seek the help they need n just sit around claiming benefits

I'm overweight at size 16 but as I'm 5ft 9 do seem to carry it well that bein said I don't dot around getting fatter I exercise n eat healthily. Yes I am currently on jsa after bein made redundant but believe me that will change ASAP n saying fast food is cheaper is a crock u just have to shop smartly to eat healthier

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"PS note the doc said the word " potentially ". We all know not every person who is overweight will cost the NHS a lot of money

Not ALL but many, and the same will apply to many smokers and drinkers.

Should similar sanctions be applied to those who abuse their health via

tobacco and alcohol too?

Yes I agree the same should be applied to smokers alcoholics n drug users especially wen they refuse to Change it n won't seek the help they need n just sit around claiming benefits

as i said smokers and drinkers who refuse to do something about their problem do get penalised already..

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"i think some people are misunderstanding the proposal ie an overweight person has gone to their GP and asked for a prescription to join a health club. The doctor then prescribes this for them and they fail to use the health club whilst the NHS still have to pay for it"

yhi ust read that..

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

I believe Eric Pickles has intervened in this matter and he's not a happy boy.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"..........

as i said smokers and drinkers who refuse to do something about their problem do get penalised already.. "

Do they? What sanctions are applied to smokers and drinkers who ruin their health through self-inflicted disease?

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"..........

as i said smokers and drinkers who refuse to do something about their problem do get penalised already..

Do they? What sanctions are applied to smokers and drinkers who ruin their health through self-inflicted disease?"

You get told to stop smoking if you need an op and before they will do it, just like overweight people get told.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"..........

as i said smokers and drinkers who refuse to do something about their problem do get penalised already..

Do they? What sanctions are applied to smokers and drinkers who ruin their health through self-inflicted disease?

You get told to stop smoking if you need an op and before they will do it, just like overweight people get told."

Yeah but nobody, as far as I can see, threatens to take away Housing/ Council Tax Benefits if you don't comply.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"..........

as i said smokers and drinkers who refuse to do something about their problem do get penalised already..

Do they? What sanctions are applied to smokers and drinkers who ruin their health through self-inflicted disease?

You get told to stop smoking if you need an op and before they will do it, just like overweight people get told.

Yeah but nobody, as far as I can see, threatens to take away Housing/ Council Tax Benefits if you don't comply."

But they are taking away the NHS operation from them

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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I am not sure why I stuck a

up then

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"..........

as i said smokers and drinkers who refuse to do something about their problem do get penalised already..

Do they? What sanctions are applied to smokers and drinkers who ruin their health through self-inflicted disease?

You get told to stop smoking if you need an op and before they will do it, just like overweight people get told.

Yeah but nobody, as far as I can see, threatens to take away Housing/ Council Tax Benefits if you don't comply.

But they are taking away the NHS operation from them

Only on clinical grounds.

The argument isn't that a fattie doesn't deserve the operation, it's that the operation wouldn't be safe on a patient that weight.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"PS note the doc said the word " potentially ". We all know not every person who is overweight will cost the NHS a lot of money

Not ALL but many, and the same will apply to many smokers and drinkers.

Should similar sanctions be applied to those who abuse their health via tobacco and alcohol too?

There are sanctions already in place. They're called 'Higher Taxation'.

A lot of people excuse themselves from 'Higher Taxation' (whatever that is) by buying black market baccy to make roll-ups."

A lot do do that yes, but those who do buy black market tobacco is a small fraction of those who buy it through legitimate outlets.

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By *urreyfun2008Man over a year ago

East Grinstead

Consider this...

In time gene profiling will reveal risks for various conditions/ailments at an early age and if you took means testing to its ultimate conclusion you income tax rate when well and working could be higher if you were likely to have high blood pressure for example.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"..........

as i said smokers and drinkers who refuse to do something about their problem do get penalised already..

Do they? What sanctions are applied to smokers and drinkers who ruin their health through self-inflicted disease?

You get told to stop smoking if you need an op and before they will do it, just like overweight people get told.

Yeah but nobody, as far as I can see, threatens to take away Housing/ Council Tax Benefits if you don't comply."

A guy I used to care for had an incurable breathing problem due to smoking and refused to give up or cut down, so he was denied full disabilty money and also he was only given very basic medicines he needed..

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"...........

A lot do do that yes, but those who do buy black market tobacco is a small fraction of those who buy it through legitimate outlets."

And those who kill others whilst driving under the influence of drugs or alcohol is only a small fraction of those who drive.

That makes it OK?

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"..........

as i said smokers and drinkers who refuse to do something about their problem do get penalised already..

Do they? What sanctions are applied to smokers and drinkers who ruin their health through self-inflicted disease?

You get told to stop smoking if you need an op and before they will do it, just like overweight people get told.

Yeah but nobody, as far as I can see, threatens to take away Housing/ Council Tax Benefits if you don't comply.

Surely someone with an incurable problem would only ever be offered basic palliative care

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think a lot of people r ignoring what's been said..the people affected will be those who are prescribed excersise but don't do it.

So therefore in the first instance they have been told getting healthy will help their ailments and get them out working. Why should we pay for someone to make themselves unable to work?

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"..........

as i said smokers and drinkers who refuse to do something about their problem do get penalised already..

Do they? What sanctions are applied to smokers and drinkers who ruin their health through self-inflicted disease?

You get told to stop smoking if you need an op and before they will do it, just like overweight people get told.

Yeah but nobody, as far as I can see, threatens to take away Housing/ Council Tax Benefits if you don't comply.

But they are taking away the NHS operation from them

Only on clinical grounds.

The argument isn't that a fattie doesn't deserve the operation, it's that the operation wouldn't be safe on a patient that weight."

Let's not use the words you know will offend a lot of people and cause mayhem on here please, you can debate without them.

It can't always be about health grounds, if the person is large and after seeing her doc who said you can't have the op until you lose weight, if the condition he/she had suddenly got worse and it needed an op as an emergancy, it would be done wether they were large or not.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Not if the problem is going to take years to kill them! Then they can have house adaptions and higher disability benefits.. It doesn't make it pallative! Also when someone is pallative they are given meds to ease pain and discomfort.. This guy hardlyt had that!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

So are you still allowed to be fat as long as you're not on benefits ?

I do hope so

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"..........

............It can't always be about health grounds, if the person is large and after seeing her doc who said you can't have the op until you lose weight, if the condition he/she had suddenly got worse and it needed an op as an emergancy, it would be done wether they were large or not."

It's only ever about health grounds.

Operations which would never be carried out electively are often carried out in emergency circumstances 'cos it's the only possibility.

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

Not directly linked but just some food for thought : The NHS looses a lot of money (somebody please find the LATEST stats as I dont have them) everyday of the year through people simply not turning up for appointments. Now that does make me angry....as it is wasting money that could be spent on those who need it.

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By *reelove1969Couple over a year ago

bristol

with u on this one .. think thats why alot of local GPs now wont allow u to book appointments in advance and u can only call the surgery on the day u want the appointment

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"Not directly linked but just some food for thought : The NHS looses a lot of money (somebody please find the LATEST stats as I dont have them) everyday of the year through people simply not turning up for appointments. Now that does make me angry....as it is wasting money that could be spent on those who need it."

Statistically most cancelled appointments are for Mondays. My respiritory clinic has just been moved from Friday afternoons to Monday mornings and the consultant is beeling.

Maybe (contentious point here) the answer is to run out-patient clinics + walk-in xray + CT/ MRI scanners etc, etc 7 days a week.

The demand is there and there's umpteen billions of £s of equipment mostly lying idle outwith 9-5, Mon-Fri.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Not directly linked but just some food for thought "

Please don't mention food in this thread !

Unless of course it is low sugar, low fat and low calorie

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"..........

It's only ever about health grounds.

No it isn't..... otherwise the people who are in pain for lots of reasons and need an op because they feel awful would be getting ops and not having to wait until they stopped smoking/lost weight etc.

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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Statistically most cancelled appointments are for Mondays. My respiritory clinic has just been moved from Friday afternoons to Monday mornings and the consultant is beeling.

Maybe (contentious point here) the answer is to run out-patient clinics + walk-in xray + CT/ MRI scanners etc, etc 7 days a week.

The demand is there and there's umpteen billions of £s of equipment mostly lying idle outwith 9-5, Mon-Fri."

Our hospital does this already

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"..........

It's only ever about health grounds.

These folk are not getting operations because the risk of undergoing the operation outweighs the benefits of having had the operation.

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"Not directly linked but just some food for thought

Please don't mention food in this thread !

Unless of course it is low sugar, low fat and low calorie

"
Hey my thoughts are often very void... including of those...;-)

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By *ugby 123Couple over a year ago
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"..........

It's only ever about health grounds.

These folk are not getting operations because the risk of undergoing the operation outweighs the benefits of having had the operation."

I think we will have to differ on this one.

PS my point was about smokers too and I am guessing drinkers but I only know of people who have been refused ops for weight or smoking reasons.

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By *rokengirlWoman over a year ago

Somewhere

Just like the huge tax in cigarettes why don't the take fatty high calorie food plus fast food etc and tax it as the do cigarettes use that extra tax to give some relief on the cost if healthy food.om overweight and lost nearly three stone with few more to go when I are badly my weekly food shop was £30-40 for two porople now eating properly it easily hits £60 a week...can totally see the inventive if buying crap high fat food when it's much cheaper!!

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By *abioMan over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

this thing has gone in two different directions.... it looks like there is a bit of misleading going on in both....

can I deal with Winter Fuel Payments first....

what was suggested by an ex minister was that Winter Fuel Payments be means tested.....

nothing wrong in that..... I have been dealing with winter fuels payments those people who spent their winters abroad in sunnier places...

so as long as you spend 185 days in the uk, you are entitled regardless if you are a pauper or a billionaire....

so means testing it isn't the worst suggestion in the world.....

what was then suggested was that any money saved would then be put back into the elderly care home system, which again isn't the worst suggestion in the world....

see... in theory depending on where they set the "means test" at.. i don't see why people are upset.. as it then targets the care and money at those at the bottom of the ladder who genuinely need it.......

hope this post fleshes out what was said.... rather than just "big headline"

sean xxxxxx

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I can't wait to see the protest match if it happens.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Just like the huge tax in cigarettes why don't the take fatty high calorie food plus fast food etc and tax it as the do cigarettes use that extra tax to give some relief on the cost if healthy food.om overweight and lost nearly three stone with few more to go when I are badly my weekly food shop was £30-40 for two porople now eating properly it easily hits £60 a week...can totally see the inventive if buying crap high fat food when it's much cheaper!! "

Actually you have a very good point there if some of the money gained in tax was used to subsidize fresh fruit and veg.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Just waiting for the next headline saying that swingers will have to pay increased National Insurance contributions, due to the potential for having to make more use of the NHS (either for treatment from STD's or for the constant visits to the GUM Clinic).

Well, just the same as smokers, drinkers and overweight people, they are putting themselves in 'potential' danger!

God help us that are in all of the above groups

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And just another thought on this, how much will it cost in Administration costs to change benefits to Means Tested? Already been hinted at that it will cost more to implement the changes to the Child Benefit system than the Government will actually save in payments they make, so why not Means Test the Winter Fuel Payments, at least it will keep some people in work administrating it

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

Actually you have a very good point there if some of the money gained in tax was used to subsidize fresh fruit and veg.

Can you really see Westminster Council subsidising food, even healthy food, for poorer folks?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I hear they're formulating plans for fat people on benefits to be melted down to fuel the heating systems of the elderly.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

too right,the amount of fat people around is shocking.

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By *erendipityWoman over a year ago

Hertfordshire

"So how will this work then? We all gotta stand in line at the benefit offices and wait to be weighed?!

Standing in line will no longer be permitted!

BOs will have airport style travellators fitted and set in reverse.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

Actually you have a very good point there if some of the money gained in tax was used to subsidize fresh fruit and veg.

Can you really see Westminster Council subsidising food, even healthy food, for poorer folks?"

They have in the past. The London Wellbeing project had Lottery money and money from London councils to help subsidise poorer communities with fresh food, bought in bulk to cut costs, and healthy eating/cookery classes.

Westminster is the same council that shut down the soup kitchens for the homeless as well though.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Actually you have a very good point there if some of the money gained in tax was used to subsidize fresh fruit and veg.

Can you really see Westminster Council subsidising food, even healthy food, for poorer folks?

Westminster is the same council that shut down the soup kitchens for the homeless as well though."

and outlawed sleeping on the streets ahead of the Olympics. not too mention their social cleansing of council wards

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

i have a plan...instead of windfarms build big treadmills showing day time telly, pay unemployed fat people to walk on them to turn them , thus solving obesity, unemployment and renewable energy crisis all in one !

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"i have a plan...instead of windfarms build big treadmills showing day time telly, pay unemployed fat people to walk on them to turn them , thus solving obesity, unemployment and renewable energy crisis all in one !"

I think that was a Black Box story Christmas 2011, wasn't it? The one with the reality show.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

I think that was a Black Box story Christmas 2011, wasn't it? The one with the reality show."

Was it? I didnt see it, may have to now...great minds and all that! x

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I think that was a Black Box story Christmas 2011, wasn't it? The one with the reality show.

Was it? I didnt see it, may have to now...great minds and all that! x

Three separate near-future distopian stories. It's not Black Box but Black Mirror - Charlie Brooker.

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By *he-Hosiery-GentMan over a year ago

Older Hot Bearded Guy

Why not ban Greggs?Could not agree with you more. Healthy choices are often few and far between and sometimes prohibitively expensive. "

That's a good point.

A few weeks ago, I bought a cous cous salad type thing from Greggs, (of all places) and when I took it to the counter to pay for it, the girl remarked; 'That's expensive, isn't it?'. I agreed and said, 'We're constantly told to eat more healthily, but they're hardly encouraging it, are they?'.

They should make the healthy options more easily accessible and cheaper and increase the prices on junk, like crisps, soft drinks etc.

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By *iewMan over a year ago
Forum Mod

Angus & Findhorn

Seems like a plan.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Seems like a plan."

I agree

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman over a year ago

evesham

but what happens when all that exercise make them fit and healthy?? no more power

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

but what happens when all that exercise make them fit and healthy?? no more power

You keep them poor - they still have to peddle in order to be able to get any food.

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By *els_BellsWoman over a year ago

with the moon n stars somewhere in gtr manc

but what happens when all that exercise make them fit and healthy?? no more power

Well Im fucked. Even got knocked back from Argos and Asda over xmas. Im fat and unemployed, but NOT receiving benefits.

Anyone want to kill me now? Feel free, cos Im fat, I probably sweat a lot more than others and Im a shit shag...

Ooops forgot Im also scouse so my degrees mean fuck all.

Ignore my qualifications cos I've used a till once.

Maybe asda were worried Id eat all their stock?!

Ffs get a grip.

Some people are absolute tools (never mentionef anyone on forums or government before I get banned!)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Actually, those that know me know that I deplore the bottomless pit that is the NHS and want it scrapped... sooooo... yes, let's tax the fuck out of everyone who could possibly be a drain on the NHS - smokers, drinkers, lardies, etc... and then... when everyone is healthy... SCRAP THE FOOKIN NHS!!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why not ban Greggs?"

... and KFC, every kebab shop and a few other un-savoury providers of 'food' while we're about it.

When my ex and I used to take our kids to France and Italy a lot when they were younger, I just loved the standard of food, fruit and veg they get over there. Yet we are all perfectly happy to accept the crap offered to us in every supermarket here. Apathy seems to rule when it comes to shopping for food these days...

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"Actually, those that know me know that I deplore the bottomless pit that is the NHS and want it scrapped... sooooo... yes, let's tax the fuck out of everyone who could possibly be a drain on the NHS - smokers, drinkers, lardies, etc... and then... when everyone is healthy... SCRAP THE FOOKIN NHS!!

And the folks with Alzheimers? The victims of assault or RTAs? Kids born with genetic heart problems?

Who'll look after them?

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

And the folks with Alzheimers? The victims of assault or RTAs? Kids born with genetic heart problems?

Who'll look after them?"

psssst... I think they can treat sense of humour failure on the NHS too thesedays.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

For every overweight person , there is a slimmer person who is an expert on how to lose it....

If it were that simple im sure people wouldnt be overweight.

To many its a problem deep rooted and food is just what they use to self medicate.

Some are immobile so find it even harder...will they stop the benefits of the disabled also ?

Most politicians are obese, heavy drinking smokers.....hypocrites the lot of them.......

Maybe we can start recouping some cash by halving their pay.....they do sod all to earn it.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

My only comment, smokers and drinkers pay tax at source

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"For every overweight person , there is a slimmer person who is an expert on how to lose it....

If it were that simple im sure people wouldnt be overweight.

To many its a problem deep rooted and food is just what they use to self medicate.

Some are immobile so find it even harder...will they stop the benefits of the disabled also ?

Most politicians are obese, heavy drinking smokers.....hypocrites the lot of them.......

Maybe we can start recouping some cash by halving their pay.....they do sod all to earn it.

Well I used to be 7 stone heavier than I am so I can nag, cos if I can do it anyone can. All I keep seeing is those same denial reasons people are saying as to why they r overweight..

I do think tho that the real issues of obesity aren't dealt with correctly.. Why such drastic gastric surgery instead of finding the root cause of someones addiction to food which is phycological and deal with that!

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

anybody lost any weight yet ?

or benefits ?

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"anybody lost any weight yet ?

or benefits ?

Nope to the first, nope to the second as I never had any unless we can count in friends with benefits?;-)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"anybody lost any weight yet ?

or benefits ?

Nope to the first, nope to the second as I never had any unless we can count in friends with benefits?;-)"

awww you've still got me (albeit in reduced quantities these days)

that's gotta be a benefit

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

Why not ban Greggs?"

Why ban Greggs? isnt that unfair to people who arnt overweight?

In our town I have a choice, I can either go into greggs and spend £1.20 on a pasty or I can go to the shop next door which sells cooked meets and get a chicken breast for the same price. I think too many people say its difficult to know what to eat abd find suppermarket foods confusing, personall I think its a cop out, everyone on here has access to the internet that gives lots of information about whats healthy and whats not. I think one of the main reasons that people struggle to stick to diets is that fatty food taste nicer.

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"anybody lost any weight yet ?

or benefits ?

Nope to the first, nope to the second as I never had any unless we can count in friends with benefits?;-)

awww you've still got me (albeit in reduced quantities these days)

that's gotta be a benefit

"
Much appreciated ... which bit has reduced, please?;-)

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"anybody lost any weight yet ?

or benefits ?

Nope to the first, nope to the second as I never had any unless we can count in friends with benefits?;-)

awww you've still got me (albeit in reduced quantities these days)

that's gotta be a benefit

Much appreciated ... which bit has reduced, please?;-)"

not the bit I once showed you in a rare moment of message deviancy

just taking a step back for a bit that's all

am on self imposed forum rations for the time being

it's working better than my previous tactic of buggering off and pining for y'all

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

"anybody lost any weight yet ?

or benefits ?

Nope to the first, nope to the second as I never had any unless we can count in friends with benefits?;-)

awww you've still got me (albeit in reduced quantities these days)

that's gotta be a benefit

Much appreciated ... which bit has reduced, please?;-)

not the bit I once showed you in a rare moment of message deviancy

just taking a step back for a bit that's all

am on self imposed forum rations for the time being

it's working better than my previous tactic of buggering off and pining for y'all

"
Phew!!!

Yeah me too... self imposed rations

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

All fast food and processed food as well as all foods with added sugar should have a 100% tax added to the cost, I am a weight loss specialist and 50% of my clients are 28st+ some I have seen die and they ALL blame the affordability of such things that has given them an addiction.

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By *ondoncabbyMan over a year ago

london

I think they should take vat off good food like veg and fruit and healthier foods make them as chep as they can cos we all know when u go on a keep fit or weight loss plan it puts the weekly shop up and some family's are on a tight budget as it is

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By *uncpl2015Couple over a year ago

Bridgend Area

Cut the benefits of obese benfits claimants..... crack on, as long as the same applies to drug addicts who continue to take drugs after treatment or alcholics that do the same.

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"All fast food and processed food as well as all foods with added sugar should have a 100% tax added to the cost, I am a weight loss specialist and 50% of my clients are 28st+ some I have seen die and they ALL blame the affordability of such things that has given them an addiction. "

im not sure about taxing food thats bad for you more, but i do think healthy food shouldnt be as over priced as it is

I have noticed many times when im shopping that anything you buy thats good for you is more expensive than the unhealthy option, in this day and age where they are promoting good eating how can that be right, is there any wonder people buy crap?

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I couldn't find the source for the American study on obesity and getting jobs - I think I must have thrown those files away.

There are two interesting pieces of more recent research here, though:

The Impact of Obesity on Employment, Stephen Norris, 2007 - Imperial College, London;

Adult socio-economic, educational, social and psychological outcomes of childhood obesity: a national birth cohort study - BMJ 2005.

Both show less positive outcomes for overweight people in securing work. The second states it clearer that fat women fare worse than (fat) men in terms of employment and relationships. Fat children are more prevalent in depressed socio-economic families are neighbourhoods.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple over a year ago

Bolton

im not sure about taxing food thats bad for you more, but i do think healthy food shouldnt be as over priced as it is

Fresh meat, fruit and vegetables are not expensive - you don't need to spend a lot of money in order to make good home made food - i think a lot of people are too lazy to prepare meals and prefer to buy the rubbish ready made meals - or go to maccie d's! Z

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By *uncpl2015Couple over a year ago

Bridgend Area

It didn't work in Denmark, why would it work here? People will just find other sources, it will create a black market like it has done with tobacco and alcohol and the people that will be hit the hardest are those that can least afford it and have to go without. I know lets go totally loopy and bring back beard tax and window tax. Don't you think we are being taxed enough as it is without inventing ridiculous new one that as with most taxes hit low earners the hardest.

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By *icketysplitsWoman over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

im not sure about taxing food thats bad for you more, but i do think healthy food shouldnt be as over priced as it is

Shop at markets and not supermarkets and you will find inexpensive fruit and veg.

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"Cut the benefits of obese benfits claimants..... crack on, as long as the same applies to drug addicts who continue to take drugs after treatment or alcholics that do the same."

......... and smokers?

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By *uncpl2015Couple over a year ago

Bridgend Area

Fresh meat not expensive??? Do you do you own shopping? The inexpensive cuts are the fatiest ones that would become more expensive with the 'Fat Tax'.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple over a year ago

Bolton

"Cut the benefits of obese benfits claimants..... crack on, as long as the same applies to drug addicts who continue to take drugs after treatment or alcholics that do the same.

......... and smokers?"

But where do we draw the line - how about damage to peoples bodies by running every day - they may need hips or knees sooner than some others - what about those who partake in extreme sports? What about the ex smoker who gave up 20 years earlier but stil developed lung cancer? Z

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By (user no longer on site) over a year ago

"Tricky one this as can see good and bad sides to it. Plus side is folk will get fitter downside is who decides what is obese. For example is size 14 obese. I carry more weight than i wish but do keep fit.

if yur bmi is over 25 yur overweight bit if its over 30 yur obese

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By *uncpl2015Couple over a year ago

Bridgend Area

"Cut the benefits of obese benfits claimants..... crack on, as long as the same applies to drug addicts who continue to take drugs after treatment or alcholics that do the same.

......... and smokers?"

I never heard of anyone claiming benefit because they are a tobacco addict

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By *nnyMan over a year ago

Glasgow

"..............

Shop at markets and not supermarkets and you will find inexpensive fruit and veg."

Markets aren't available everywhere and the trendy farmer's markets have just become an excuse for stupid prices.

Supermarkets can be affordable for fruit and veg but not if you buy pre-packed. Buy loose and you'll get better quality and better value.

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By *oe_Steve_NWestCouple over a year ago

Bolton

Fresh meat not expensive??? Do you do you own shopping? The inexpensive cuts are the fatiest ones that would become more expensive with the 'Fat Tax'."

Fresh meat is not expensive - you can get a whole fresh chicken for a few quid these days. I also buy cheap mince and simply drain off all the fat. Yiu need to be a clever shopper and cook! Z

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By *phroditeWoman over a year ago

(She/ her) in Sensualityland

im not sure about taxing food thats bad for you more, but i do think healthy food shouldnt be as over priced as it is

Shop at markets and not supermarkets and you will find inexpensive fruit and veg."

Agreed and it is indeed a lot cheaper to buy fresh produce and cook from scratch. Cooking in bulk brings cost down even further.

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