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"Without getting all into the where’s and whyfores, did anyone see yesterdays news at breakfast time? Should god be gender neutral??? Discuss but please don’t be abusive. " I didn’t see it but there’s been a few threads already on it here. Firstly, I’m not religious in anyway. I have a deep dislike for organises religion of any kind. But maybe that a separate issue. I don’t discount the idea of a creator or entity but I’m perplexed how a being a such a type would be confined to the human idea of biology? | |||
"Why would God have a gender?" The Church always portrayed him as a man. Which had been decides isn't relevant for an omnipotent being | |||
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"Without getting all into the where’s and whyfores, did anyone see yesterdays news at breakfast time? Should god be gender neutral??? Discuss but please don’t be abusive. " If there's a god (and I don't believe for one second there is)....then he's definitely male. The whole creation thing was a rush job and let's face it, the world is a bit of a fuck up and very messy. If God was female everything would have been much tidier, more organised and colour coordinated. A | |||
"Without getting all into the where’s and whyfores, did anyone see yesterdays news at breakfast time? Should god be gender neutral??? Discuss but please don’t be abusive. " What difference would it make he/she/TV/TS/MTV/BBC The fact is he doesn't exist man did not create earth, who created the other trillion planets and what happens to the bible if its one of the other options and who are we trying to please a group of people lovely as they are who don't believe in god either. I mean the news what does it do except saturate us with negativity, switch it off when it comes on your life will be enriched  | |||
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"I don’t watch or read that kind of news but God is already genderless, it’s only culture and language that uses gender to associate the attributes of power etc, and relationship of a kind, loving but also firm & occasionally angry! father to help understand the nature of God. Supernatural spirits don't really have genders do they. ? Although the son was highly likely male. That’s my understanding " not according to the bible it refers to god as father  | |||
"Without getting all into the where’s and whyfores, did anyone see yesterdays news at breakfast time? Should god be gender neutral??? Discuss but please don’t be abusive. If there's a god (and I don't believe for one second there is)....then he's definitely male. The whole creation thing was a rush job and let's face it, the world is a bit of a fuck up and very messy. If God was female everything would have been much tidier, more organised and colour coordinated. A" lol | |||
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"I don’t watch or read that kind of news but God is already genderless, it’s only culture and language that uses gender to associate the attributes of power etc, and relationship of a kind, loving but also firm & occasionally angry! father to help understand the nature of God. Supernatural spirits don't really have genders do they. ? Although the son was highly likely male. That’s my understanding not according to the bible it refers to god as father "Read my post again Btw - Bible is 80 or so different books written by people living in this world over about 9000 years , it’s not an autobiography | |||
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"I don’t watch or read that kind of news but God is already genderless, it’s only culture and language that uses gender to associate the attributes of power etc, and relationship of a kind, loving but also firm & occasionally angry! father to help understand the nature of God. Supernatural spirits don't really have genders do they. ? Although the son was highly likely male. That’s my understanding not according to the bible it refers to god as father
Read my post again
Btw - Bible is 80 or so different books written by people living in this world over about 9000 years , it’s not an autobiography "no its an act of fiction, exaggeration, dreams, stories and other non realistic fantasy | |||
"I don’t watch or read that kind of news but God is already genderless, it’s only culture and language that uses gender to associate the attributes of power etc, and relationship of a kind, loving but also firm & occasionally angry! father to help understand the nature of God. Supernatural spirits don't really have genders do they. ? Although the son was highly likely male. That’s my understanding not according to the bible it refers to god as father
Read my post again
Btw - Bible is 80 or so different books written by people living in this world over about 9000 years , it’s not an autobiography "Was i being too literal reading Father as a man, sorry having been indoctrinated into the premise of a god I'm now a firm disbeliever | |||
"I don’t watch or read that kind of news but God is already genderless, it’s only culture and language that uses gender to associate the attributes of power etc, and relationship of a kind, loving but also firm & occasionally angry! father to help understand the nature of God. Supernatural spirits don't really have genders do they. ? Although the son was highly likely male. That’s my understanding not according to the bible it refers to god as father
Read my post again
Btw - Bible is 80 or so different books written by people living in this world over about 9000 years , it’s not an autobiography no its an act of fiction, exaggeration, dreams, stories and other non realistic fantasy "You missed the poetry and opera. You clearly haven’t done you’re homework. Get on the naughty step and first seek to understand before trying to be understood   | |||
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"I don’t watch or read that kind of news but God is already genderless, it’s only culture and language that uses gender to associate the attributes of power etc, and relationship of a kind, loving but also firm & occasionally angry! father to help understand the nature of God. Supernatural spirits don't really have genders do they. ? Although the son was highly likely male. That’s my understanding not according to the bible it refers to god as father
Read my post again
Btw - Bible is 80 or so different books written by people living in this world over about 9000 years , it’s not an autobiography no its an act of fiction, exaggeration, dreams, stories and other non realistic fantasy
You missed the poetry and opera. You clearly haven’t done you’re homework.
Get on the naughty step and first seek to understand before trying to be understood "lol I've done enough homework on this greatly exaggerated story | |||
"Why would God have a gender?" Weren't they supposed to have created man in their image? That would suggest God (to those that believe in God) is male plus, the Lords Prayer... "our father"... and our gender specific references to God. | |||
"Why would God have a gender? Weren't they supposed to have created man in their image? That would suggest God (to those that believe in God) is male plus, the Lords Prayer... "our father"... and our gender specific references to God." exactly my point | |||
"Why would God have a gender? Weren't they supposed to have created man in their image? That would suggest God (to those that believe in God) is male plus, the Lords Prayer... "our father"... and our gender specific references to God.exactly my point "Sorry, I was being lazy; I haven't read most of the other posts. | |||
"Why would God have a gender? Weren't they supposed to have created man in their image? That would suggest God (to those that believe in God) is male plus, the Lords Prayer... "our father"... and our gender specific references to God.exactly my point
Sorry, I was being lazy; I haven't read most of the other posts."its ok i rarely read other posts lol | |||
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"They're going to have to rewrite thr entire service book. And the prayers. Anyone want to have a stab at hoe the Lords prayer will turn out" Our PARENT, Who art in heaven Hallowed be thy name Thy kingdom come Thy will be done On Earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread And forgive us our trespasses, As we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil. Amen. Not much needs to change for a gender neutral Lords prayer!! | |||
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"I don’t watch or read that kind of news but God is already genderless, it’s only culture and language that uses gender to associate the attributes of power etc, and relationship of a kind, loving but also firm & occasionally angry! father to help understand the nature of God. Supernatural spirits don't really have genders do they. ? Although the son was highly likely male. That’s my understanding not according to the bible it refers to god as father
Read my post again
Btw - Bible is 80 or so different books written by people living in this world over about 9000 years , it’s not an autobiography no its an act of fiction, exaggeration, dreams, stories and other non realistic fantasy "Whilst I agree that much of it, especially the New Testament, is a work of exaggeration, dreams, stories and other non realistic fantasy, I don't agree that it's all fiction. A lot of it, the Old Testament in particular, has been proved to mirror actual events in history, many of which we are only recently discovering. The flood, for example, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, the story of David and life in general from those periods of time. Not only is it a valuable historical resource, it was also the main reason for the invention of the printing press. It's also one of the main foundations of philosophy, not to mention inspiring some of the greatest art and music ever created by human beings. | |||
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""God's coming, and she's a screamer"" is she a swinger though or are we all sinners  | |||
"Why would God have a gender? Weren't they supposed to have created man in their image? That would suggest God (to those that believe in God) is male plus, the Lords Prayer... "our father"... and our gender specific references to God." Man=Human. It’s an easy mistake to make To understand why religions are male gendered you need to understand the history of inequality, and specifically female inequality. Since around 9000 years ago when gender inequality first began , males have dominated women through religions, wars / politics, and more recently capitalism, so the language of the bible simply reflects that culture. | |||
"Why would God have a gender? Weren't they supposed to have created man in their image? That would suggest God (to those that believe in God) is male plus, the Lords Prayer... "our father"... and our gender specific references to God. Man=Human. It’s an easy mistake to make To understand why religions are male gendered you need to understand the history of inequality, and specifically female inequality. Since around 9000 years ago when gender inequality first began , males have dominated women through religions, wars / politics, and more recently capitalism, so the language of the bible simply reflects that culture." ^^^This | |||
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"All references seem to suggest God is male (in the bible at least. I don’t know enough about other religions to comment). So to believe in the bible is to believe that God is male. To me, anyway. I don’t think you can believe in the Bible and think otherwise. " A straightforward opinion that probably holds true for many, but I think it’s not that simple, I imagine that most people, if asked, do not believe every word of the bible as absolute truth, and appreciate that (certainly the NT) was written by men, and has been handed down verbally or in fragments for hundreds of years until it was written down, rewritten, changed, shortened, lengthened, translated, edited, curated, censored… etc. People who “believe in the bible” or more like to admit to believing in its teaching, morals or ethics, rather than treat it like a signed witness statement. If not, they’ll be mad when they read Leviticus… I’m reminded of the greatest bit of Radio 4 I ever heard broadcast in which Richard Dawkins took some bishop to task because of a poll that suggested 40% of people who identify as Christian can’t name the first book of the new testament - he took this to mean they can’t be real Christians, if they can’t even name something so basic as that. When asked what the full name of Darwins book on evolution was called by reply…not only could he not name it correctly, but he even got flustered in the middle of being owned so hard that he said “Oh God”…. in his embarrassment . TL;DR Let’s not tell Christians how to be Christian. | |||
"I don’t watch or read that kind of news but God is already genderless, it’s only culture and language that uses gender to associate the attributes of power etc, and relationship of a kind, loving but also firm & occasionally angry! father to help understand the nature of God. Supernatural spirits don't really have genders do they. ? Although the son was highly likely male. That’s my understanding not according to the bible it refers to god as father
Read my post again
Btw - Bible is 80 or so different books written by people living in this world over about 9000 years , it’s not an autobiography no its an act of fiction, exaggeration, dreams, stories and other non realistic fantasy
Whilst I agree that much of it, especially the New Testament, is a work of exaggeration, dreams, stories and other non realistic fantasy, I don't agree that it's all fiction. A lot of it, the Old Testament in particular, has been proved to mirror actual events in history, many of which we are only recently discovering. The flood, for example, the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, the story of David and life in general from those periods of time. Not only is it a valuable historical resource, it was also the main reason for the invention of the printing press. It's also one of the main foundations of philosophy, not to mention inspiring some of the greatest art and music ever created by human beings."Yes, scientific textual analysis has now validated and proven most of it as true accounts but not all. But to focus on that misses the point completely, it’s not only an historical text . Like Job, a play written approx 9000 years ago, likely mostly fiction, who knows, but does it matter if it helps people suffering to find answers & meaning in that suffering? I think even if I didn't believe it id follow it on financial advice & parenting anyway! I’ve never found a better manual. As well as art and music you could add free education , hospitals and many other things it inspired. | |||
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"Gender neutral is a mental illness " I don't understand what you mean? | |||
"They're going to have to rewrite thr entire service book. And the prayers. Anyone want to have a stab at hoe the Lords prayer will turn out" I leam there is literally one word on that that is gender specific | |||
"Gender neutral is a mental illness I don't understand what you mean?" The colour yellow is a mental illness apparently! | |||
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"Gender neutral is a mental illness " I would be interested to hear what makes you think so? | |||
"I thought Morgan Freeman was God?" I thought it was Alanis Morrisette?! | |||
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"Gender neutral is a mental illness " I don't really understand what you mean by this. | |||
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I’ll have a read of them all in a bit. | |||
"I always think of God as just a voice. Sounding a bit like the voice at the start of the Carpenters “Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft”. That’s pretty gender neutral I guess. " I’d believe if that was the voice… awesome song too | |||
"I thought Morgan Freeman was God?" Thou shalt do the dance…..
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"If he has an appendage he's a man, simple. " Has anyone checked between His legs?? | |||
"Without getting all into the where’s and whyfores, did anyone see yesterdays news at breakfast time? Should god be gender neutral??? Discuss but please don’t be abusive. I didn’t see it but there’s been a few threads already on it here. Firstly, I’m not religious in anyway. I have a deep dislike for organises religion of any kind. But maybe that a separate issue. I don’t discount the idea of a creator or entity but I’m perplexed how a being a such a type would be confined to the human idea of biology? " Because god was created in man’s image. | |||
"Without getting all into the where’s and whyfores, did anyone see yesterdays news at breakfast time? Should god be gender neutral??? Discuss but please don’t be abusive. I didn’t see it but there’s been a few threads already on it here. Firstly, I’m not religious in anyway. I have a deep dislike for organises religion of any kind. But maybe that a separate issue. I don’t discount the idea of a creator or entity but I’m perplexed how a being a such a type would be confined to the human idea of biology? Because god was created in man’s image." This is true but why do you think they want to have God rethought of as Gender Neutral? Are the crazies going too far, dictating to us norms because they don’t fit into this world or the ways of society, so they have chosen their own crazy less paved very rocky path to feed their own securities? Or are we norms the mental ones?  | |||
"Without getting all into the where’s and whyfores, did anyone see yesterdays news at breakfast time? Should god be gender neutral??? Discuss but please don’t be abusive. I didn’t see it but there’s been a few threads already on it here. Firstly, I’m not religious in anyway. I have a deep dislike for organises religion of any kind. But maybe that a separate issue. I don’t discount the idea of a creator or entity but I’m perplexed how a being a such a type would be confined to the human idea of biology? Because god was created in man’s image. This is true but why do you think they want to have God rethought of as Gender Neutral? Are the crazies going too far, dictating to us norms because they don’t fit into this world or the ways of society, so they have chosen their own crazy less paved very rocky path to feed their own securities? Or are we norms the mental ones? ""The crazies"??? "Us norms"??? | |||
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"Without getting all into the where’s and whyfores, did anyone see yesterdays news at breakfast time? Should god be gender neutral??? Discuss but please don’t be abusive. I didn’t see it but there’s been a few threads already on it here. Firstly, I’m not religious in anyway. I have a deep dislike for organises religion of any kind. But maybe that a separate issue. I don’t discount the idea of a creator or entity but I’m perplexed how a being a such a type would be confined to the human idea of biology? Because god was created in man’s image. This is true but why do you think they want to have God rethought of as Gender Neutral? Are the crazies going too far, dictating to us norms because they don’t fit into this world or the ways of society, so they have chosen their own crazy less paved very rocky path to feed their own securities? Or are we norms the mental ones? "If there is a god, why would they be male or female? | |||
"Why would God have a gender?" Pretty much agree with this. The concept of what God is has been so watered down over the years that we consider it akin to a man or woman... Which is ridiculous when you think of it. A creator of our Universe, time and literally everything that has been and will ever be, will likely be so beyond our comprehension it's impossible to start making guesses at what it could be. God is God - Just call it God. All of this is of course dependant on whether you believe that such a thing exists in the first place. | |||
"Without getting all into the where’s and whyfores, did anyone see yesterdays news at breakfast time? Should god be gender neutral??? Discuss but please don’t be abusive. " Anyone saying this has no idea of who God is. That is the problem with anthropomorphising God. | |||
"As far as I can see, gods are concepts. Concepts, depending on specifics, can have genders, no genders, or (other) as only limited by the human imagination. It's up to the people for whom these concepts are important, to work out the details." • She's omnipotent... ^ Fact! | |||
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"Without getting all into the where’s and whyfores, did anyone see yesterdays news at breakfast time? Should god be gender neutral??? Discuss but please don’t be abusive. " There us no God so the question is meaningless | |||
"Just a thought. In the bible it says “we’re all made in his image” so…does that mean God is a woman or we’re all men, women included? " The Bible was written and edited by men in an incredibly patriarchal society so I’m not sure I’d give too much credence to that. | |||
"Just a thought. In the bible it says “we’re all made in his image” so…does that mean God is a woman or we’re all men, women included? The Bible was written and edited by men in an incredibly patriarchal society so I’m not sure I’d give too much credence to that." The Bible is also but one representation of Christianity (history being written by the victors - lots of censorship up to the council of Nicea), which is but one set of beliefs that involves a god or gods | |||
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"Just a thought. In the bible it says “we’re all made in his image” so…does that mean God is a woman or we’re all men, women included? " I'd want to know what the original language says (and possibly if the earliest copies are likely to be faithful to the original religious tradition - Hebrew scriptures are outside my wheelhouse but transmission of ancient texts is something I'm pretty conversant in). Thinking of ancient Greek, for example, the word "anthropos" is often translated as man, where it could be "person" or occasionally (with difference grammatical markers and as an insult) "woman". If an ancient Greek wrote something like "people were made in the image of God" - older translators might choose to translate that as "man". (There are other ways to denote "man" in ancient Greek without this ambiguity) | |||
"I identify as Switzerland. "why...... Is it your French horn? | |||
"I thought Morgan Freeman was God? I thought it was Alanis Morrisette?!" Absolutely! Has nobody even seen Dogma? Facts are facts people. Also, God is a DJ. | |||
"I thought Morgan Freeman was God? I thought it was Alanis Morrisette?! Absolutely! Has nobody even seen Dogma? Facts are facts people. Also, God is a DJ." Is it not Eric cantona? | |||
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"Should "Goddess" be gender neutral too? "Depends what day it is and what mood she/he is in | |||
"Should "Goddess" be gender neutral too? "Well no, because it's a specific indicator of female. Unfortunately there's no indicator of "god" that isn't also a marker of male, and it becomes the default. Male grammatical markers as default is also common in languages that retain more gendered markers than English. | |||
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"Just a thought. In the bible it says “we’re all made in his image” so…does that mean God is a woman or we’re all men, women included? " God actually said let us make man in our own image. Plural, but the Hebrew meaning means 3 not two. God is spirit, soul and body- hence father son and Holy Spirit. Hence was are also tripartite. Male/ female should not be attributed to God | |||
"I thought Morgan Freeman was God? I thought it was Alanis Morrisette?! Absolutely! Has nobody even seen Dogma? Facts are facts people. Also, God is a DJ. Is it not Eric cantona?" Eric Cantona is a DJ? | |||
"I thought Morgan Freeman was God? I thought it was Alanis Morrisette?! Absolutely! Has nobody even seen Dogma? Facts are facts people. Also, God is a DJ. Is it not Eric cantona? Eric Cantona is a DJ?" Is he,lot of strings to his bow that lad | |||
"They're going to have to rewrite thr entire service book. And the prayers. Anyone want to have a stab at hoe the Lords prayer will turn out" The Methodist church did that years ago. 1999 to be exact. | |||
"They're going to have to rewrite thr entire service book. And the prayers. Anyone want to have a stab at hoe the Lords prayer will turn out The Methodist church did that years ago. 1999 to be exact. " Yeah I discovered last year that the Lord's prayer I grew up with isn't as widespread as I thought it was. *Shrug* | |||
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"Just a thought. In the bible it says “we’re all made in his image” so…does that mean God is a woman or we’re all men, women included? I'd want to know what the original language says (and possibly if the earliest copies are likely to be faithful to the original religious tradition - Hebrew scriptures are outside my wheelhouse but transmission of ancient texts is something I'm pretty conversant in). Thinking of ancient Greek, for example, the word "anthropos" is often translated as man, where it could be "person" or occasionally (with difference grammatical markers and as an insult) "woman". If an ancient Greek wrote something like "people were made in the image of God" - older translators might choose to translate that as "man". (There are other ways to denote "man" in ancient Greek without this ambiguity)" It just means humans are a reflection of God -character, spiritually, intellectually etc - distinguishing us from animals | |||
"Just a thought. In the bible it says “we’re all made in his image” so…does that mean God is a woman or we’re all men, women included? I'd want to know what the original language says (and possibly if the earliest copies are likely to be faithful to the original religious tradition - Hebrew scriptures are outside my wheelhouse but transmission of ancient texts is something I'm pretty conversant in). Thinking of ancient Greek, for example, the word "anthropos" is often translated as man, where it could be "person" or occasionally (with difference grammatical markers and as an insult) "woman". If an ancient Greek wrote something like "people were made in the image of God" - older translators might choose to translate that as "man". (There are other ways to denote "man" in ancient Greek without this ambiguity) It just means humans are a reflection of God -character, spiritually, intellectually etc - distinguishing us from animals " Surely we are most like animals we are predators in fact we are the ultimate predator on earth  | |||
 but wasn’t the bible the word of God.? Or did the church use artistic license when they suggested God was a HE? | |||
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"I’m not a religious man. …. but wasn’t the bible the word of God.? Or did the church use artistic license when they suggested God was a HE? "She had a beard | |||
"Personally as someone who has a religious faith and plays an active part in our local church I respect what individuals feel or want to believe as I expect them to do to. I will not be told what I should think of believe. As someone else mentioned the bible has been transcribed/translated numerous times over thousands of years so may differ through people interpretations. I feel it should really only be used as a guide to help you formulate your own opinion and feelings. These are personal to you and you alone. So basically there is no right or wrong answer to this its what you want to think he is. " Possibly the best reply yet. As a man and woman of faith to say that is nice to know. | |||
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"I’m not a religious man. …. but wasn’t the bible the word of God.? Or did the church use artistic license when they suggested God was a HE?
She had a beard"Do we have any photos of God yet? Or are we still relying on renaissance paintings as proof? | |||
"I’m not a religious man. …. but wasn’t the bible the word of God.? Or did the church use artistic license when they suggested God was a HE?
She had a beard
Do we have any photos of God yet? Or are we still relying on renaissance paintings as proof? "I agree. Jesus was definitely a pale skinned, white man with blue eyes and light brown hair/beard | |||
"Will Santa be next ??" Probably  | |||
"Will Santa be next ?? Probably "How do we know that Mrs Claus isn't the brains behind the operation?! What man can wrap so many presents so neatly AND have them purchased before Christmas Eve? I've always been suspicious  | |||
"Will Santa be next ?? Probably
How do we know that Mrs Claus isn't the brains behind the operation?! What man can wrap so many presents so neatly AND have them purchased before Christmas Eve? I've always been suspicious "Haha now this is very true  | |||
"Will Santa be next ?? Probably
How do we know that Mrs Claus isn't the brains behind the operation?! What man can wrap so many presents so neatly AND have them purchased before Christmas Eve? I've always been suspicious
Haha now this is very true "There's a new conspiracy theory to perpetuate. You heard it here first, folks. Soon, it'll be all over the news. | |||
