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Not sure if it's against forum rules to discuss as it's an ongoing case. | |||
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"What’s everyone’s thoughts apparently they now believe she isn’t in the river" I believe she isn't in the river... There are a whole load of possible scenarios that we could speculate on from abduction to running away. I don't think we should be coming up with our own theories on here. | |||
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"I've been following the case I find it all really odd that they are so set on one line of enquiry, unless there's more there keeping back. Thoughts are with the family and those 2 little girls. Mrs " Agree, there's something they're holding back. My partner has been saying this from the start. XX | |||
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"I've been following the case I find it all really odd that they are so set on one line of enquiry, unless there's more there keeping back. Thoughts are with the family and those 2 little girls. Mrs Agree, there's something they're holding back. My partner has been saying this from the start. XX" I do worry that there is something much more sinister happened than the poor lady falling into a small river that seems no wider than 15ft and not being found for 12 days. I hope I'm wrong. Feel sad for the family | |||
"Another 'canoe man" "I had this exact thought this morning Mrs C | |||
"Another 'canoe man"
I had this exact thought this morning
Mrs C "May well be a *normal* disappearance, but I'd be very surprised if it is. Too many things simply not adding up Her Facebook's been odd for a few months too | |||
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"Another 'canoe man"
I had this exact thought this morning
Mrs C
May well be a *normal* disappearance, but I'd be very surprised if it is. Too many things simply not adding up
Her Facebook's been odd for a few months too"Ohhhh I hadn't looked on her fb. It's all open  | |||
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"People go missing all the time. If you are lucky the police would allocate it to a sergeant and you'd get an appeal on their Facebook page shated by local news sites social media. That includes high risk and vulnerable people. The manpower thrown at her disappearance, the seniority of officers giving press updates, the fact they are even having press conferences, and the massive media coverage (which will have been prompted by the police press office), non of it makes sense. It is completely disproportionate for what is claimed to be a missing person case." This works both ways, the Police are as media aware as any other large organisation, and will respond according to public demand and media interest as a reaction to that demand. Many cases which deserve more coverage than they actually get, don’t, especiallty when the victim isn’t young and pretty. There’s a lot to be said about how much coverage Madeiline McCann got in comparison to many other missing children in this regard. It’s a bit self perpetuating, a story gets out, media is interested, police do a presser, that’s televised, interest is increased, media coverage goes rolling, demand for updates is high, police release regular updates and statements, experts roll in, media rubs hands together, police try to dampen the height, speculation increases on why they say X or aren;t doing Y and it’s the perfect storm for a story like this. I just hope she’s found, and won't speculate myself on how that might play out. | |||
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Not sure if it's against forum rules to discuss as it's an ongoing case. "Well i read somewhere they are swingers | |||
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"In Ancient Greece, Socrates had a great reputation of wisdom. One day, someone came to find the great philosopher and said to him: - Do you know what I just heard about your friend? - A moment, replied Socrates. Before you tell me, I would like to test you on the three sieves. - The three sieves? - Yes, continued Socrates. Before saying anything about others, it's good to take the time to filter what you mean. I call it the test of the three sieves. The first sieve is the TRUTH. Have you checked if what you're going to tell me is true? - No, I just heard it. - Very good! So, you don't know if it's true. We continue with the second sieve, that of KINDNESS. What you want to tell me about my friend, is it good? - Oh, no! On the contrary. - So, questioned Socrates, you want to tell me bad things about him and you're not even sure they're true? Maybe you can still pass the test of the third sieve, that of UTILITY. Is it useful that I know what you're going to tell me about this friend? - Not really. - So, concluded Socrates, what you were going to tell me is neither true, nor good, nor useful. Why, then, did you want to tell me this? "Gossip is a bad thing. In the beginning it may seem enjoyable and fun, but in the end, it fills our hearts with bitterness and poisons us, too!"" And that is how you comment on a thread like this!!! | |||
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Not sure if it's against forum rules to discuss as it's an ongoing case.
Well i read somewhere they are swingers"And how is that relevant?! It's speculation firstly, and second, being swingers doesn't mean they're somehow predisposed to disappearing! | |||
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"In Ancient Greece, Socrates had a great reputation of wisdom. One day, someone came to find the great philosopher and said to him: - Do you know what I just heard about your friend? - A moment, replied Socrates. Before you tell me, I would like to test you on the three sieves. - The three sieves? - Yes, continued Socrates. Before saying anything about others, it's good to take the time to filter what you mean. I call it the test of the three sieves. The first sieve is the TRUTH. Have you checked if what you're going to tell me is true? - No, I just heard it. - Very good! So, you don't know if it's true. We continue with the second sieve, that of KINDNESS. What you want to tell me about my friend, is it good? - Oh, no! On the contrary. - So, questioned Socrates, you want to tell me bad things about him and you're not even sure they're true? Maybe you can still pass the test of the third sieve, that of UTILITY. Is it useful that I know what you're going to tell me about this friend? - Not really. - So, concluded Socrates, what you were going to tell me is neither true, nor good, nor useful. Why, then, did you want to tell me this? "Gossip is a bad thing. In the beginning it may seem enjoyable and fun, but in the end, it fills our hearts with bitterness and poisons us, too!" And that is how you comment on a thread like this!!!" It's a very relevant and pertinent point he makes. There's no merit or benefit in people speculating online. Let the police and search people do their thing and the full story will eventually be known. | |||
"The lady who found the phone I find odd, rather than tie the dog up with it's harness and leed she uses string (who carries string around) and rather than phoning the number on the coller phones the school to report she found the dog and phone over a hour later due to having an appointment. It seems strange, the police diver that was brought in stated the water wasn't fast flowing at the edge was 18 inches, easily able to get out. And like the comment above why so much coverage on this case and not the other 1000 missing people every month?" I thought the women called her mum and the mum knew who’s dog it was so called the school…. I presume she never had a direct number? Maybe the dog wasn’t wearing a collar? When I take mine out in a harness she doesn’t wear her collar. I agree with the fact I don’t know why this has had so much publicity while loads of other people get nothing. There’s a lady that went missing recently near me, she’s been missing 6 months and I only found out last week! | |||
"In Ancient Greece, Socrates had a great reputation of wisdom. One day, someone came to find the great philosopher and said to him: - Do you know what I just heard about your friend? - A moment, replied Socrates. Before you tell me, I would like to test you on the three sieves. - The three sieves? - Yes, continued Socrates. Before saying anything about others, it's good to take the time to filter what you mean. I call it the test of the three sieves. The first sieve is the TRUTH. Have you checked if what you're going to tell me is true? - No, I just heard it. - Very good! So, you don't know if it's true. We continue with the second sieve, that of KINDNESS. What you want to tell me about my friend, is it good? - Oh, no! On the contrary. - So, questioned Socrates, you want to tell me bad things about him and you're not even sure they're true? Maybe you can still pass the test of the third sieve, that of UTILITY. Is it useful that I know what you're going to tell me about this friend? - Not really. - So, concluded Socrates, what you were going to tell me is neither true, nor good, nor useful. Why, then, did you want to tell me this? "Gossip is a bad thing. In the beginning it may seem enjoyable and fun, but in the end, it fills our hearts with bitterness and poisons us, too!"" Perfect. Winston | |||
"Another 'canoe man"
I had this exact thought this morning
Mrs C
May well be a *normal* disappearance, but I'd be very surprised if it is. Too many things simply not adding up
Her Facebook's been odd for a few months too
Ohhhh I hadn't looked on her fb. It's all open "Why would anyone look on her fb - voyeurism at its lowest point? | |||
"Another 'canoe man"
I had this exact thought this morning
Mrs C
May well be a *normal* disappearance, but I'd be very surprised if it is. Too many things simply not adding up
Her Facebook's been odd for a few months too
Ohhhh I hadn't looked on her fb. It's all open
Why would anyone look on her fb - voyeurism at its lowest point?"the same reason gouls are having selfies taken on the bench she was sat on cos they are just thàt voyeristic ghouls | |||
"Another 'canoe man"
I had this exact thought this morning
Mrs C
May well be a *normal* disappearance, but I'd be very surprised if it is. Too many things simply not adding up
Her Facebook's been odd for a few months too
Ohhhh I hadn't looked on her fb. It's all open
Why would anyone look on her fb - voyeurism at its lowest point?"Nah. | |||
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"Another 'canoe man"
I had this exact thought this morning
Mrs C
May well be a *normal* disappearance, but I'd be very surprised if it is. Too many things simply not adding up
Her Facebook's been odd for a few months too
Ohhhh I hadn't looked on her fb. It's all open
Why would anyone look on her fb - voyeurism at its lowest point?
Nah."Plus you could say Facebook is all about "voyeurism at it's lowest point". What's the highest point of voyeurism by the way??  | |||
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"Anyone think she might have ran off from her fella?started new life " Very possible indeed , | |||
"What's the highest point of voyeurism by the way?? "An erection ? | |||
"Can an alien abduction be ruled out?" Oh for fuck sake does that mean the Bellend Will Smith is going to appear!! | |||
"What's the highest point of voyeurism by the way??
An erection ?" yes! | |||
"I grew up living very close to a river and occasionally someone would disappear in the town with a suspicion of them going in said river. My Dad used to say, in a very couldn't care less way, "They will pop up in about 3 days time about half a mile downstream". 4 times out of 5 he was normally right. This tells me she didn't go in that river! Very sad story either way "Years ago a young man was thrown off the pillion of a motorbike into the same stretch of river and his body wasn't found for two months | |||
"In Ancient Greece, Socrates had a great reputation of wisdom. One day, someone came to find the great philosopher and said to him: - Do you know what I just heard about your friend? - A moment, replied Socrates. Before you tell me, I would like to test you on the three sieves. - The three sieves? - Yes, continued Socrates. Before saying anything about others, it's good to take the time to filter what you mean. I call it the test of the three sieves. The first sieve is the TRUTH. Have you checked if what you're going to tell me is true? - No, I just heard it. - Very good! So, you don't know if it's true. We continue with the second sieve, that of KINDNESS. What you want to tell me about my friend, is it good? - Oh, no! On the contrary. - So, questioned Socrates, you want to tell me bad things about him and you're not even sure they're true? Maybe you can still pass the test of the third sieve, that of UTILITY. Is it useful that I know what you're going to tell me about this friend? - Not really. - So, concluded Socrates, what you were going to tell me is neither true, nor good, nor useful. Why, then, did you want to tell me this? "Gossip is a bad thing. In the beginning it may seem enjoyable and fun, but in the end, it fills our hearts with bitterness and poisons us, too!" And that is how you comment on a thread like this!!! It's a very relevant and pertinent point he makes. There's no merit or benefit in people speculating online. Let the police and search people do their thing and the full story will eventually be known. " So you never chat or comment about anything outside your own life? | |||
"Can an alien abduction be ruled out? Oh for fuck sake does that mean the Bellend Will Smith is going to appear!!" Why would an American actor appear? | |||
"In Ancient Greece, Socrates had a great reputation of wisdom. One day, someone came to find the great philosopher and said to him: - Do you know what I just heard about your friend? - A moment, replied Socrates. Before you tell me, I would like to test you on the three sieves. - The three sieves? - Yes, continued Socrates. Before saying anything about others, it's good to take the time to filter what you mean. I call it the test of the three sieves. The first sieve is the TRUTH. Have you checked if what you're going to tell me is true? - No, I just heard it. - Very good! So, you don't know if it's true. We continue with the second sieve, that of KINDNESS. What you want to tell me about my friend, is it good? - Oh, no! On the contrary. - So, questioned Socrates, you want to tell me bad things about him and you're not even sure they're true? Maybe you can still pass the test of the third sieve, that of UTILITY. Is it useful that I know what you're going to tell me about this friend? - Not really. - So, concluded Socrates, what you were going to tell me is neither true, nor good, nor useful. Why, then, did you want to tell me this? "Gossip is a bad thing. In the beginning it may seem enjoyable and fun, but in the end, it fills our hearts with bitterness and poisons us, too!" And that is how you comment on a thread like this!!! It's a very relevant and pertinent point he makes. There's no merit or benefit in people speculating online. Let the police and search people do their thing and the full story will eventually be known. So you never chat or comment about anything outside your own life?" I don't speculate about active police or criminal cases online, where members of the family or friends might read it, no. I might converse about something like that privately with my husband. But even then, it's not my business. I'm not a gossiper. | |||
"The police are making themselves look like amateurs " How so? | |||
"I grew up living very close to a river and occasionally someone would disappear in the town with a suspicion of them going in said river. My Dad used to say, in a very couldn't care less way, "They will pop up in about 3 days time about half a mile downstream". 4 times out of 5 he was normally right. This tells me she didn't go in that river! Very sad story either way
Years ago a young man was thrown off the pillion of a motorbike into the same stretch of river and his body wasn't found for two months"It sounds like this place is quite close to the sea so is it tidal? If so we'll that opens up further problems ! | |||
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"The police are making themselves look like amateurs How so?" You think the police are doing a good job do you? | |||
"Can an alien abduction be ruled out? Oh for fuck sake does that mean the Bellend Will Smith is going to appear!! Why would an American actor appear?" It was a comical reference in response to the alien comment! Men in Black??? | |||
"The police are making themselves look like amateurs How so?" By repeating the same statement. The thick superintendent keeps saying she went into the river.The family actually issued a statement asking what evidence she based that claim on.The thick superintendent's response? We believe Nicole went into the river.Beyond useless. Yes,she may have gone into the river.Blindly repeating it while ignoring other possibilities is amateurish at best | |||
"The police are making themselves look like amateurs " Why? | |||
"The police are making themselves look like amateurs How so? You think the police are doing a good job do you? " Did I say that? No. I just wondered why you thought they were looking like amateurs. That's all  | |||
"The police are making themselves look like amateurs How so? By repeating the same statement. The thick superintendent keeps saying she went into the river.The family actually issued a statement asking what evidence she based that claim on.The thick superintendent's response? We believe Nicole went into the river.Beyond useless. Yes,she may have gone into the river.Blindly repeating it while ignoring other possibilities is amateurish at best" Maybe they have a suspect in mind but are gathering evidence behind the scenes and stating she went in the river covers their other line of evidence? Who knows? This is exactly why wild speculation isn't constructive. Winston | |||
"The police are making themselves look like amateurs How so? By repeating the same statement. The thick superintendent keeps saying she went into the river.The family actually issued a statement asking what evidence she based that claim on.The thick superintendent's response? We believe Nicole went into the river.Beyond useless. Yes,she may have gone into the river.Blindly repeating it while ignoring other possibilities is amateurish at best" Exactly this | |||
"The police are making themselves look like amateurs How so? By repeating the same statement. The thick superintendent keeps saying she went into the river.The family actually issued a statement asking what evidence she based that claim on.The thick superintendent's response? We believe Nicole went into the river.Beyond useless. Yes,she may have gone into the river.Blindly repeating it while ignoring other possibilities is amateurish at best" The police most likely have other lines of inquiry going on in the background, but so these are not compromised in any way, they keep them secret and so in public, they have to say something. | |||
"The police are making themselves look like amateurs How so? By repeating the same statement. The thick superintendent keeps saying she went into the river.The family actually issued a statement asking what evidence she based that claim on.The thick superintendent's response? We believe Nicole went into the river.Beyond useless. Yes,she may have gone into the river.Blindly repeating it while ignoring other possibilities is amateurish at best Maybe they have a suspect in mind but are gathering evidence behind the scenes and stating she went in the river covers their other line of evidence? Who knows? This is exactly why wild speculation isn't constructive. Winston " Us folk aren’t involved with the investigation so it doesn’t matter what our speculations are and if they are constructive or not. And the police didn’t say they think “ She may of “ they said “ She had “ which even the search expert called out as an odd thing to do | |||
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"The police are making themselves look like amateurs How so? By repeating the same statement. The thick superintendent keeps saying she went into the river.The family actually issued a statement asking what evidence she based that claim on.The thick superintendent's response? We believe Nicole went into the river.Beyond useless. Yes,she may have gone into the river.Blindly repeating it while ignoring other possibilities is amateurish at best Maybe they have a suspect in mind but are gathering evidence behind the scenes and stating she went in the river covers their other line of evidence? Who knows? This is exactly why wild speculation isn't constructive. Winston Us folk aren’t involved with the investigation so it doesn’t matter what our speculations are and if they are constructive or not. And the police didn’t say they think “ She may of “ they said “ She had “ which even the search expert called out as an odd thing to do " The thing is, family and friends of the missing person can read the inane speculation that's written online and that can be hurtful to them. If a missing person has kids old enough to surf the 'net, they might be reading all sorts of guff about their mum or dad. To me, it's just common courtesy to keep speculation to ourselves, offline, privately. Yes, discuss over breakfast with your partner, because no-one else is going to hear it. | |||
"In Ancient Greece, Socrates had a great reputation of wisdom. One day, someone came to find the great philosopher and said to him: - Do you know what I just heard about your friend? - A moment, replied Socrates. Before you tell me, I would like to test you on the three sieves. - The three sieves? - Yes, continued Socrates. Before saying anything about others, it's good to take the time to filter what you mean. I call it the test of the three sieves. The first sieve is the TRUTH. Have you checked if what you're going to tell me is true? - No, I just heard it. - Very good! So, you don't know if it's true. We continue with the second sieve, that of KINDNESS. What you want to tell me about my friend, is it good? - Oh, no! On the contrary. - So, questioned Socrates, you want to tell me bad things about him and you're not even sure they're true? Maybe you can still pass the test of the third sieve, that of UTILITY. Is it useful that I know what you're going to tell me about this friend? - Not really. - So, concluded Socrates, what you were going to tell me is neither true, nor good, nor useful. Why, then, did you want to tell me this? "Gossip is a bad thing. In the beginning it may seem enjoyable and fun, but in the end, it fills our hearts with bitterness and poisons us, too!" And that is how you comment on a thread like this!!! It's a very relevant and pertinent point he makes. There's no merit or benefit in people speculating online. Let the police and search people do their thing and the full story will eventually be known. So you never chat or comment about anything outside your own life?" I guess the point is it’s fine, if it’s truthful, good or helpful... | |||
" Yes,she may have gone into the river.Blindly repeating it while ignoring other possibilities is amateurish at best Exactly this " They arent ignoring other possibilities. What a ridiculous statement. Up to 500 other lines of investigation. They will have done/be doing: Door to door enquiries Local canvassing Speaking to other dog walkers at all hours (some people walk their dogs at different hours, usually because of shiftwork) Reviewing any CCTV. Local authority, residential and commercial. Noting all the VRM's (vehicle registrations) seen in CCTV and contacting the registered keepers. Then, if the RK's have dashcam, reviewing it. Also intel checks on people they speak to, looking for any previous relative criminal history Speaking to her work colleagues who were on the Teams meeting with her. Speaking to other colleagues asking if they'd seen any changes in behaviour. Seizing all her known electronic devices and analysing them. Work PC/Laptop, personal laptop, work/personal mobiles, I pads.. All the messaging spectrums..text, whatsapp, emails etc etc. Checking all recognised and unrecognised phone calls. Searching through her finances...looking for any irregularities or unrecognised payments/transfers/withdrawals. Also the last dates of any such actions. Searching the home address (the police have been caught out before when Mispers have been hiding in lofts/sheds). Searching her paperwork...looking for irregularities or possibly secretly purchased mobiles or other electronic messaging devices. Within her phone, searching for a possible GPS history...pedometer, Google maps Speaking to friends and family members...asking if they have seen any changes in her behaviour. They will be searching the ANPR systems to track previous movements of her car (if she has one) Liaising with the media. Unfortunately the media is the best source of intel, in making people aware of the incident. And, please dont forget, the police will limit what information they tell the NOK or press. Some lines of enquiry may make them upset or uncomfortable. Also, if some intel, if released, will hinder the search. And, now imagine you are in charge of the investigation. You have to speak to the next of kin, and update them on the search. "We dont think she's in the river" "Are you sure?" "No, not we dont think so". Believe me, you want to look them in the eye and say "we have searched every inch of that river, and we can definitely say she isnt in there". Now that's done, they can eliminate that from their search. If a body had been found in the river in a few days/weeks time byba member of the public, i get the feeling you'd be the first to criticise the police again, saying they should've searched the river. However, i digress, please feel free to volunteer your services to the search. Im sure they could use your expertise | |||
"The BBC news says the Police have about 500 lines of enquiry" No, you heard the Fab experts...they are only searching the river. 
Oh, and i forgot to add...officers also manning the phones ln the helpline. Which will bring even more new lines of enquiries.
More information to research, access and investigate as necessary. | |||
"The police are making themselves look like amateurs How so? By repeating the same statement. The thick superintendent keeps saying she went into the river.The family actually issued a statement asking what evidence she based that claim on.The thick superintendent's response? We believe Nicole went into the river.Beyond useless. Yes,she may have gone into the river.Blindly repeating it while ignoring other possibilities is amateurish at best Maybe they have a suspect in mind but are gathering evidence behind the scenes and stating she went in the river covers their other line of evidence? Who knows? This is exactly why wild speculation isn't constructive. Winston Us folk aren’t involved with the investigation so it doesn’t matter what our speculations are and if they are constructive or not. And the police didn’t say they think “ She may of “ they said “ She had “ which even the search expert called out as an odd thing to do The thing is, family and friends of the missing person can read the inane speculation that's written online and that can be hurtful to them. If a missing person has kids old enough to surf the 'net, they might be reading all sorts of guff about their mum or dad. To me, it's just common courtesy to keep speculation to ourselves, offline, privately. Yes, discuss over breakfast with your partner, because no-one else is going to hear it. " Most advances in life have at least one negative normally more so yes the kids will be seeing lots of negative stuff in all forms of the media | |||
"Can an alien abduction be ruled out? Oh for fuck sake does that mean the Bellend Will Smith is going to appear!! Why would an American actor appear? It was a comical reference in response to the alien comment! Men in Black???" What is comical about this woman disappearing? | |||
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"I've been avoiding these discussions on social media due to living in the same area, but I guess this is a fairly safe space so I'd like to correct some of the common assumptions. The self-proclaimed "expert" who came up from Dorking and tried to take over the Police operation has done nothing apart from undermine the Police, give false hope to the family and fuel the thousands of online conspiracy theorists. All he was interested in is self publicity. He said it's "impossible" for her to have been swept away by the river. This is categorically wrong (it's happened before). It's a rainwater-fed spate river - I've seen it rise and fall by a couple of feet within an hour or 2. It can rise by 2ft on a dry day if it's raining on the fells. It had been raining fairly persistently for most of the month before she disappeared. He only saw it in dry weather when the levels were low. He's also ignored the fact that it happened 3 days after the spring tide. The tide that afternoon was 9.13m, the perfect conditions for taking a body out into the estuary/bay area. The final detail is something I'm reluctant to share. The search has only just intensified on the coast in the last day or so because a body will stay submerged for a couple of weeks in cold water. It's only when decomposition makes a body bouyant that it will be washed ashore. Whilst submerged, it would be impossible to find. I'm sorry to say that based on my knowledge of the area and the river, I'm 100% sure she went in." Now that is a thorough, fact based, first hand experience comment. Thank you. | |||
"Can an alien abduction be ruled out? Oh for fuck sake does that mean the Bellend Will Smith is going to appear!! Why would an American actor appear? It was a comical reference in response to the alien comment! Men in Black??? What is comical about this woman disappearing?" Oh my goodness get a grip, did I say the current situation is funny? No I didn’t I replied to a comment that somebody else made The end | |||
"Can an alien abduction be ruled out? Oh for fuck sake does that mean the Bellend Will Smith is going to appear!! Why would an American actor appear? It was a comical reference in response to the alien comment! Men in Black??? What is comical about this woman disappearing? Oh my goodness get a grip, did I say the current situation is funny? No I didn’t I replied to a comment that somebody else made The end "  | |||
"Now that is a thorough, fact based, first hand experience comment. Thank you." You're welcome, happy to help dispell some of the assumptions people are making. That search "expert" has caused immeasurable damage to the investigation, purely because he saw the case as a treasure hunt to promote himself, his business and his book. Mark my words, if he'd been an employed contractor, he would never have been allowed to share his theories in the media. He won't ever be invited to work with Lancs Police again! I keep hearing people saying shit like "We all know a body doesn't move when it falls in..." because they heard that prat saying it. Trust me, I've fallen in that river myself, you don't stay put, especially after rain! And whenever I try and point out the gaps in his knowledge, I get shouted down because he's a self-proclaimed "expert". He's never seen the river after a few weeks of rain and he's never seen a 9m tide. He's made all his assumptions based on the river and tides that he saw (when he wasn't looking for a TV camera or microphone). And he's too thick to consider other conditions or listen to advice from people who know it well. | |||
"The police are making themselves look like amateurs How so? By repeating the same statement. The thick superintendent keeps saying she went into the river.The family actually issued a statement asking what evidence she based that claim on.The thick superintendent's response? We believe Nicole went into the river.Beyond useless. Yes,she may have gone into the river.Blindly repeating it while ignoring other possibilities is amateurish at best" No one , police or otherwise , have said ' Nicola went into the river.' ....... No one. The superintendent is less thick than he is accurate and not misleading. | |||
"In Ancient Greece, Socrates had a great reputation of wisdom. One day, someone came to find the great philosopher and said to him: - Do you know what I just heard about your friend? - A moment, replied Socrates. Before you tell me, I would like to test you on the three sieves. - The three sieves? - Yes, continued Socrates. Before saying anything about others, it's good to take the time to filter what you mean. I call it the test of the three sieves. The first sieve is the TRUTH. Have you checked if what you're going to tell me is true? - No, I just heard it. - Very good! So, you don't know if it's true. We continue with the second sieve, that of KINDNESS. What you want to tell me about my friend, is it good? - Oh, no! On the contrary. - So, questioned Socrates, you want to tell me bad things about him and you're not even sure they're true? Maybe you can still pass the test of the third sieve, that of UTILITY. Is it useful that I know what you're going to tell me about this friend? - Not really. - So, concluded Socrates, what you were going to tell me is neither true, nor good, nor useful. Why, then, did you want to tell me this? "Gossip is a bad thing. In the beginning it may seem enjoyable and fun, but in the end, it fills our hearts with bitterness and poisons us, too!"" I've never heard that before. I have a few people in mind to forward that on to | |||
"In Ancient Greece, Socrates had a great reputation of wisdom. One day, someone came to find the great philosopher and said to him: - Do you know what I just heard about your friend? - A moment, replied Socrates. Before you tell me, I would like to test you on the three sieves. - The three sieves? - Yes, continued Socrates. Before saying anything about others, it's good to take the time to filter what you mean. I call it the test of the three sieves. The first sieve is the TRUTH. Have you checked if what you're going to tell me is true? - No, I just heard it. - Very good! So, you don't know if it's true. We continue with the second sieve, that of KINDNESS. What you want to tell me about my friend, is it good? - Oh, no! On the contrary. - So, questioned Socrates, you want to tell me bad things about him and you're not even sure they're true? Maybe you can still pass the test of the third sieve, that of UTILITY. Is it useful that I know what you're going to tell me about this friend? - Not really. - So, concluded Socrates, what you were going to tell me is neither true, nor good, nor useful. Why, then, did you want to tell me this? "Gossip is a bad thing. In the beginning it may seem enjoyable and fun, but in the end, it fills our hearts with bitterness and poisons us, too!"I've never heard that before. I have a few people in mind to forward that on to "An ancient Chinese proverb say's the same thing but in less words. "If you have nothing worth saying,then it's best to say nothing" | |||
"I've been avoiding these discussions on social media due to living in the same area, but I guess this is a fairly safe space so I'd like to correct some of the common assumptions. The self-proclaimed "expert" who came up from Dorking and tried to take over the Police operation has done nothing apart from undermine the Police, give false hope to the family and fuel the thousands of online conspiracy theorists. All he was interested in is self publicity. He said it's "impossible" for her to have been swept away by the river. This is categorically wrong (it's happened before). It's a rainwater-fed spate river - I've seen it rise and fall by a couple of feet within an hour or 2. It can rise by 2ft on a dry day if it's raining on the fells. It had been raining fairly persistently for most of the month before she disappeared. He only saw it in dry weather when the levels were low. He's also ignored the fact that it happened 3 days after the spring tide. The tide that afternoon was 9.13m, the perfect conditions for taking a body out into the estuary/bay area. The final detail is something I'm reluctant to share. The search has only just intensified on the coast in the last day or so because a body will stay submerged for a couple of weeks in cold water. It's only when decomposition makes a body bouyant that it will be washed ashore. Whilst submerged, it would be impossible to find. I'm sorry to say that based on my knowledge of the area and the river, I'm 100% sure she went in." I didn't grow up where you did, and while "our" river wasn't tidal, we had the same issue with "surprise" spates. Non-locals simply would *not* believe how fast the water level could come up if it rained in the hills. Not until the ground floor of their five-bedroom McMansion on a former meadow was underwater, anyway. | |||
"In Ancient Greece, Socrates had a great reputation of wisdom. One day, someone came to find the great philosopher and said to him: - Do you know what I just heard about your friend? - A moment, replied Socrates. Before you tell me, I would like to test you on the three sieves. - The three sieves? - Yes, continued Socrates. Before saying anything about others, it's good to take the time to filter what you mean. I call it the test of the three sieves. The first sieve is the TRUTH. Have you checked if what you're going to tell me is true? - No, I just heard it. - Very good! So, you don't know if it's true. We continue with the second sieve, that of KINDNESS. What you want to tell me about my friend, is it good? - Oh, no! On the contrary. - So, questioned Socrates, you want to tell me bad things about him and you're not even sure they're true? Maybe you can still pass the test of the third sieve, that of UTILITY. Is it useful that I know what you're going to tell me about this friend? - Not really. - So, concluded Socrates, what you were going to tell me is neither true, nor good, nor useful. Why, then, did you want to tell me this? "Gossip is a bad thing. In the beginning it may seem enjoyable and fun, but in the end, it fills our hearts with bitterness and poisons us, too!"I've never heard that before. I have a few people in mind to forward that on to
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"If you have nothing worth saying,then it's best to say nothing""I never knew it was thanks to socrates but as a child I was taught to THINK T = True H = Harmful I = Informative N = Necessary K = Kind. If it was none of those you didn't say it. | |||
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"The police are making themselves look like amateurs How so? You think the police are doing a good job do you? " Given that you don’t believe the police aren’t doing their job right why don’t you offer your service as an expert? Oh yes! They tried that already and got another crank involved | |||
"I grew up living very close to a river and occasionally someone would disappear in the town with a suspicion of them going in said river. My Dad used to say, in a very couldn't care less way, "They will pop up in about 3 days time about half a mile downstream". 4 times out of 5 he was normally right. This tells me she didn't go in that river! Very sad story either way "I was thinking the same
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"Its worrying how police have broken trust with the family Imagine if it was one of us missing ‘Oh we have been keeping it from you but the person is a swinger and this is why we dont feel they fell in the river’ It changes public perception whether we agree with it or not" If they'd have described her as a high risk missing person and asking anyone who saw her to call 999 when she went missing as is normal practice, they wouldn't need to be issuing such an invasive statement. Though the family have expanded on it today so it dies appear they were onboard with what was being released | |||
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"If all the armchair forensic and criminologists weren't concocting countless theories and accusing the police of doing a bad job they probably wouldn't have felt it necessary to try to justify their thinking. We're not privy to all the facts of these cases. Why don't we just leave them to do their work. " Of course they know all the ins and outs of the case............ They read it in the sun newspaper.  | |||
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"If all the armchair forensic and criminologists weren't concocting countless theories and accusing the police of doing a bad job they probably wouldn't have felt it necessary to try to justify their thinking. We're not privy to all the facts of these cases. Why don't we just leave them to do their work. " Precisely! | |||
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"Its worrying how police have broken trust with the family " Yep. Will definitely put off people with MH challenges from seeking help. | |||
"I think it's disgusting how they are releasing personal details of how she was struggling with some issues. How on earth is that going to help find her? And if she has ran away somewhere, how is she going to feel now that information has been disclosed about her? I just don't get it." Hopefully people will learn that the police don't need to disclose all the information in a case. Hopefully it will shut a few people up and make them realise that speculating is not helpful. I have lost count of the number of times people have asked me what I think happened. It's not right that they felt that they had to reveal this information but it does show that searching the river and concentrating on that rather than abduction theories was absolutely the right approach. Of course failing to pass on the information to the search experts was a huge blunder. | |||
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"If all the armchair forensic and criminologists weren't concocting countless theories and accusing the police of doing a bad job they probably wouldn't have felt it necessary to try to justify their thinking. We're not privy to all the facts of these cases. Why don't we just leave them to do their work. Precisely!" No thanks, I have a mind of my own and enjoy using it. I also enjoy engaging in conversation with others. Sometimes there are big news articles to talk about, whether it’s an earthquake in turkey or the disappearance of someone in suspicious circumstances. | |||
"I think it's disgusting how they are releasing personal details of how she was struggling with some issues. How on earth is that going to help find her? And if she has ran away somewhere, how is she going to feel now that information has been disclosed about her? I just don't get it." I agree. Perhaps they have a strategy and this is part of it but its hard without any further details to see how releasing this information at this time is helpful. Unless it's a pre emptive move because the muck rankers are going to dig it up anyway? Wonder how long it is before her past is put out there for all and sundry. Some things should remain confidential. | |||
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"Many people in the area knew about Nikki's issues and the fact that Police visited on the 10th. There was intel that someone was selling this info to the press who were in the process of verifying details before releasing an exposé. Police decided, in full cooperation with the family, that they should release the info and control the narrative. It was going to come out anyway, and if/when there's an iquest, every single detail of her life, health etc would be published. By revealing the menopause dimesnion, they hoped an element of sympathy and empathy might prevent any further, more damaging speculation about her private life. They know what they're doing, despite having to handle this operation under VERY challenging circumstance." I think it was a very brave decision by the family. And it made sense too. Get the facts out there first, before someone else does. Especially as that story probably wouldn't be too accurate. Plus, it also highlights how severe some women can suffer with the menopause. And especially the perimenopause, which id never actually heard of before. | |||
"Many people in the area knew about Nikki's issues and the fact that Police visited on the 10th. There was intel that someone was selling this info to the press who were in the process of verifying details before releasing an exposé. Police decided, in full cooperation with the family, that they should release the info and control the narrative. It was going to come out anyway, and if/when there's an iquest, every single detail of her life, health etc would be published. By revealing the menopause dimesnion, they hoped an element of sympathy and empathy might prevent any further, more damaging speculation about her private life. They know what they're doing, despite having to handle this operation under VERY challenging circumstance." Ahhh.. Should have read this first. That must be so hard for family and friends that the narrative has moved from trying to find the missing person, to trying to limit the damage that the muck can do and filling out a story that sensationalises a families life for the sale of click bait. Wheres the accountability for the pain and suffering they cause the family? | |||
" I don't see how someone theorising about possibilities hampers the police. " It’s mainly the waste of resources havnig to debunk, deny, clarify etc when people make shit up, that they can't ignore because they are in a can’t win situation, and the dragging in of innocent parties who have SFA to do with it but got named on a Facebook group and are now getting hounded by the press and other anmateur sleuthers. | |||
"Many people in the area knew about Nikki's issues and the fact that Police visited on the 10th. There was intel that someone was selling this info to the press who were in the process of verifying details before releasing an exposé. Police decided, in full cooperation with the family, that they should release the info and control the narrative. It was going to come out anyway, and if/when there's an iquest, every single detail of her life, health etc would be published. By revealing the menopause dimesnion, they hoped an element of sympathy and empathy might prevent any further, more damaging speculation about her private life. They know what they're doing, despite having to handle this operation under VERY challenging circumstance." I can see why they did the earlier press conference and released the information they did then but to later add to that about her alcohol issues wasn't necessary, respect some people locally were aware but the police added nothing if substance to the investigation in doing so and are rightly being criticized for that.. Putting that in the public domain and the coverage it received will be sadly used by some to have a go at her children.. | |||
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"I can see why they did the earlier press conference and released the information they did then but to later add to that about her alcohol issues wasn't necessary, respect some people locally were aware but the police added nothing if substance to the investigation in doing so and are rightly being criticized for that " Becky Smith literally revealed her risk status in the press conference and then asked the press to respect privacy and not dig further. Then, a journalist insisted they reveal more during the Q&A! It was obvious that they'd failed to appeal to the press's better nature, so that's why they discussed further revelations with the family. on't forget, the Police consider this to be a missing persons case - they usually end with a recovery, a post mortem and an inquest. NOTHING will remain secret then. | |||
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"Imagine if it was a male missing and they put out that he has erectile dysfunction so had been drinking. " Not really the same though is it? I know Lancs Police have recently undertaken menopause awareness programs within the ranks, so they've certainly not applied any sort of stigma to it and we shouldn't either. This has certainly brought it into the forefront of the public consciousness - that should be a good thing. | |||
"Imagine if it was a male missing and they put out that he has erectile dysfunction so had been drinking. " I can’t imagine this because it’s nonsensical | |||
"Imagine if it was a male missing and they put out that he has erectile dysfunction so had been drinking. I can’t imagine this because it’s nonsensical" Indeed, so we wonder how the information about the missing lady's fertility status is relevant?! | |||
"People talk. There is nothing that you can use to convince me that people shouldn't talk. Social media means that more people know about something in less time and they talk. People have always talked about events , we just now do it on a global rather than local scale. It's not against the law to talk or to speculate. It's a human interest story and without that human interest the papers and the t.v. would not give a rats ass about the case and not be reporting it. I don't see how someone theorising about possibilities hampers the police. " This could not have expressed it better. Well done lovely lady x | |||
"Imagine if it was a male missing and they put out that he has erectile dysfunction so had been drinking. Not really the same though is it? I know Lancs Police have recently undertaken menopause awareness programs within the ranks, so they've certainly not applied any sort of stigma to it and we shouldn't either. This has certainly brought it into the forefront of the public consciousness - that should be a good thing." It is the same thing. Personal business being told to the nation. The family seem to have reluctantly agreed to it while saying Nicola wouldn't have wanted it to be broadcast. I didn't mention a stigma on the subject of menopause and didn't accuse anyone of applying any. | |||
"Imagine if it was a male missing and they put out that he has erectile dysfunction so had been drinking. Not really the same though is it? I know Lancs Police have recently undertaken menopause awareness programs within the ranks, so they've certainly not applied any sort of stigma to it and we shouldn't either. This has certainly brought it into the forefront of the public consciousness - that should be a good thing. It is the same thing. Personal business being told to the nation. The family seem to have reluctantly agreed to it while saying Nicola wouldn't have wanted it to be broadcast. I didn't mention a stigma on the subject of menopause and didn't accuse anyone of applying any. " So, you'd rather the press had broken the news, after they were prying and speaking to locals?? No doubt getting the facts wrong. As someone with local knowledge said earlier, the family or the police didnt want to release that info, but upon learning that the press had got hold of the information, its better they (police/family) make the facts public knowledge. At least that then stops other stories or misinformation spreading | |||
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"Imagine if it was a male missing and they put out that he has erectile dysfunction so had been drinking. Not really the same though is it? I know Lancs Police have recently undertaken menopause awareness programs within the ranks, so they've certainly not applied any sort of stigma to it and we shouldn't either. This has certainly brought it into the forefront of the public consciousness - that should be a good thing. It is the same thing. Personal business being told to the nation. The family seem to have reluctantly agreed to it while saying Nicola wouldn't have wanted it to be broadcast. I didn't mention a stigma on the subject of menopause and didn't accuse anyone of applying any. So, you'd rather the press had broken the news, after they were prying and speaking to locals?? No doubt getting the facts wrong. As someone with local knowledge said earlier, the family or the police didnt want to release that info, but upon learning that the press had got hold of the information, its better they (police/family) make the facts public knowledge. At least that then stops other stories or misinformation spreading " You don't need local knowledge to know what has been reported. No one has to put out private information to stop it getting into the news. An article could be ignored or not commented on or commented on that personal information is not going out as my wife who is missing wouldn't be happy The family must be in enough turmoil without this too | |||
"It’s really simple, since the start the hypothesis was she went in the water. They never said fell. Always went. This is on the back of the info they’ve had all along about her health and well-being, as someone who had drink problems and (not specifically because of, I don’t think it’s been said, maybe it has) and suffers from symptoms related to the menopause. Changes in personality, depression, doing things out of character might all be classed as resulting from either or both of these. The police have been hounded since day 1 about why they seem sure she went in the water, and it seems they’ve had reasons for this hypothesis and have tried to keep it low key because saying ‘we think she committed suicide ’ so early is unhelpful and hurtful, even if you have reason to think it true. We’ve got to the point where they’ve had to spell this out, and that relies on giving out info which they’ve clearly tried to keep under wraps. I see no issue with people knowing this, I doubt very much she’s hiding in a shed and will now not come out because people know she’s going through something almost half the population of the planet do." Yes the use of 'went' is a very specific and not accidental wording. I've said before that there was more ti this and there was. She was high risk and vulnerable, why on earth that wasn't shared initially is beyond me, it's not unusual in a missing person investigation. Purely speculative but if the previous please contact was a concern for welfare that would also explain thr 'went in the water' as a specific line of enquiry too | |||
"Imagine if it was a male missing and they put out that he has erectile dysfunction so had been drinking. I can’t imagine this because it’s nonsensical Indeed, so we wonder how the information about the missing lady's fertility status is relevant?!" Yeah I think he means my comment rather than divulging a medical history | |||
" I've said before that there was more ti this and there was. She was high risk and vulnerable, why on earth that wasn't shared initially is beyond me, it's not unusual in a missing person investigation. " This I think has been mentioned for a lot of missing people before now so not sure why they didn't do it at the beginning. It normally only needs the word "vulnerable" for people to understand | |||
" I've said before that there was more ti this and there was. She was high risk and vulnerable, why on earth that wasn't shared initially is beyond me, it's not unusual in a missing person investigation. This I think has been mentioned for a lot of missing people before now so not sure why they didn't do it at the beginning. It normally only needs the word "vulnerable" for people to understand "Exactly. It would also explain why it was immediately in the press (though not why the nationals picked it up) and why it was immediately viewed as a missing person investigation | |||
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"Imagine if it was a male missing and they put out that he has erectile dysfunction so had been drinking. " I wouldn't want to come out of hiding then | |||
"Imagine if it was a male missing and they put out that he has erectile dysfunction so had been drinking. Not really the same though is it? I know Lancs Police have recently undertaken menopause awareness programs within the ranks, so they've certainly not applied any sort of stigma to it and we shouldn't either. This has certainly brought it into the forefront of the public consciousness - that should be a good thing. It is the same thing. Personal business being told to the nation. The family seem to have reluctantly agreed to it while saying Nicola wouldn't have wanted it to be broadcast. I didn't mention a stigma on the subject of menopause and didn't accuse anyone of applying any. So, you'd rather the press had broken the news, after they were prying and speaking to locals?? No doubt getting the facts wrong. As someone with local knowledge said earlier, the family or the police didnt want to release that info, but upon learning that the press had got hold of the information, its better they (police/family) make the facts public knowledge. At least that then stops other stories or misinformation spreading You don't need local knowledge to know what has been reported. No one has to put out private information to stop it getting into the news. An article could be ignored or not commented on or commented on that personal information is not going out as my wife who is missing wouldn't be happy The family must be in enough turmoil without this too" That's the point...it hadn't been reported. But the press, who had been snooping and speaking to neighbours and residents, had got hold of a story re her potential MH. The police found this out, and knew it was going to get into the papers. What are the chances the residents/friends/colleagues who the press spoke to gave them the correct story?? Its not to "stop it getting into the news". Its to stop the incorrect story getting into the news. The family deciding to release the details takes that power and gossip away from the press. You've got no idea how some press agencies work, especially freelance. They will drink in local pubs, chat to locals, buy drinks in an attempt to get stories, but not identify themselves as press. They speak to neighbours, pose as dog walkers, wait at bus stops...anything they can do to strike up conversation. Any decent gossip they get, they print. And because its only heresay, and not being presented as factual...there's no grounds for libel. And yes, im speaking from personal experience and knowledge. Above all else, this has been really good for menopause and perimenopause awareness. | |||
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"Anyone who is saying let the police do their jobs clearly doesn't follow a lot of big cases, there's a plethora of blunders. Police drop the ball often, very often. If some amateur sleuths are enough to derail or hamper your investigation, I'd argue you aren’t fit for purpose to start with " | |||
"Anyone who is saying let the police do their jobs clearly doesn't follow a lot of big cases, there's a plethora of blunders. Police drop the ball often, very often. If some amateur sleuths are enough to derail or hamper your investigation, I'd argue you aren’t fit for purpose to start with "Sadly. Seems to be very true. Although having little knowledge of police operations and even less about that particular case, I may be completely wrong. But they do seem a bit like keystone cops at times. | |||
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"People go missing all the time. If you are lucky the police would allocate it to a sergeant and you'd get an appeal on their Facebook page shated by local news sites social media. That includes high risk and vulnerable people. The manpower thrown at her disappearance, the seniority of officers giving press updates, the fact they are even having press conferences, and the massive media coverage (which will have been prompted by the police press office), non of it makes sense. It is completely disproportionate for what is claimed to be a missing person case." I’m assuming that is due to public and media frenzy/demands. Had she been a frumpy, very overweight woman (or man) in a low paid job or - god forbid - unemployed - I doubt it would have made more that a few paragraphs on day 1. | |||
"(quote ) 'Above all else, this has been really good for menopause and perimenopause awareness'.(unquote) I couldn't agree less. It has used a stereotype to reinforce that stereotype and move it toward becoming an entrenched widely held cultural belief. MOST women are not fragile creatures that fall apart during the menopause. MOST women do not turn to drink because of the menopause. As far as i'm concerned there is no evidence what so ever that Nicola did either. " It's fkin outrageous how this case has been handled How the management of this case is still with the same team heaven only knows I think the whirlwind of public interference isn't at all helpful, but a good % of that has been driven by how the local force has handled both the case and the media It's all very odd I've not seen anything like it - at least not that springs to mind | |||
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"(quote ) 'Above all else, this has been really good for menopause and perimenopause awareness'.(unquote) I couldn't agree less. It has used a stereotype to reinforce that stereotype and move it toward becoming an entrenched widely held cultural belief. MOST women are not fragile creatures that fall apart during the menopause. MOST women do not turn to drink because of the menopause. As far as i'm concerned there is no evidence what so ever that Nicola did either. " Disagree all you want. The discussions ive seen on some news channels have been enlightening.. And the women campaigning for more understanding and awareness, especially in the work place, were certainly happy to get their point across. At no point did anyone suggest or say 'Most women'. | |||
"(quote ) 'Above all else, this has been really good for menopause and perimenopause awareness'.(unquote) I couldn't agree less. It has used a stereotype to reinforce that stereotype and move it toward becoming an entrenched widely held cultural belief. MOST women are not fragile creatures that fall apart during the menopause. MOST women do not turn to drink because of the menopause. As far as i'm concerned there is no evidence what so ever that Nicola did either. Disagree all you want. The discussions ive seen on some news channels have been enlightening.. And the women campaigning for more understanding and awareness, especially in the work place, were certainly happy to get their point across. At no point did anyone suggest or say 'Most women'." Discussion around menopause *usually* focusses on the very worst aspects. I rarely see a discussion that points out any positives | |||
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"I hope the family are treated with respect and dignity and let them have privacy to grieve. Some of the nonsense spouted regards this case has been staggering . " I do too. Unfortunately i get the feeling they wont be getting much privacy for a few weeks. But once the post mortem is out the way, Nicola is positively identified, and no suspicious circumstances found, then the family can have closure | |||
"I hope the family are treated with respect and dignity and let them have privacy to grieve. Some of the nonsense spouted regards this case has been staggering . I do too. Unfortunately i get the feeling they wont be getting much privacy for a few weeks. But once the post mortem is out the way, Nicola is positively identified, and no suspicious circumstances found, then the family can have closure " I've not paid much attention until the backlash... But is there any chance this was suicide? I hope not for the family to get closure. | |||
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"I hope the family are treated with respect and dignity and let them have privacy to grieve. Some of the nonsense spouted regards this case has been staggering . I do too. Unfortunately i get the feeling they wont be getting much privacy for a few weeks. But once the post mortem is out the way, Nicola is positively identified, and no suspicious circumstances found, then the family can have closure I've not paid much attention until the backlash... But is there any chance this was suicide? I hope not for the family to get closure. " I would say as the police have always said they suspect she has "gone" in the river, never fell in I think that's been the thinking all along | |||
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"I hope the family are treated with respect and dignity and let them have privacy to grieve. Some of the nonsense spouted regards this case has been staggering . I do too. Unfortunately i get the feeling they wont be getting much privacy for a few weeks. But once the post mortem is out the way, Nicola is positively identified, and no suspicious circumstances found, then the family can have closure " Post mortem?? Identified?? Do you know something we dont?? | |||
"I hope the family are treated with respect and dignity and let them have privacy to grieve. Some of the nonsense spouted regards this case has been staggering . I do too. Unfortunately i get the feeling they wont be getting much privacy for a few weeks. But once the post mortem is out the way, Nicola is positively identified, and no suspicious circumstances found, then the family can have closure Post mortem?? Identified?? Do you know something we dont??" Post mortem is a normal procedure for any unexplained death I believe and it's normal to have the body formally identified. | |||
"I hope the family are treated with respect and dignity and let them have privacy to grieve. Some of the nonsense spouted regards this case has been staggering . I do too. Unfortunately i get the feeling they wont be getting much privacy for a few weeks. But once the post mortem is out the way, Nicola is positively identified, and no suspicious circumstances found, then the family can have closure Post mortem?? Identified?? Do you know something we dont?? Post mortem is a normal procedure for any unexplained death I believe and it's normal to have the body formally identified. " Yes, you are spot on. There will be a post mortem and toxicology screening because of the circumstances. ID could take a while as sadly a body in water for 3 weeks will need a dental identification or DNA. And given it is very unlikely to be a natural death there will be an inquest. Sadly unless there is some form of note suggesting a deliberate act the family may never get the closure people are suggesting on this thread as its unlikely anyone would establish whether she fell or deliberately entered the water. | |||
"I hope the family are treated with respect and dignity and let them have privacy to grieve. Some of the nonsense spouted regards this case has been staggering . I do too. Unfortunately i get the feeling they wont be getting much privacy for a few weeks. But once the post mortem is out the way, Nicola is positively identified, and no suspicious circumstances found, then the family can have closure Post mortem?? Identified?? Do you know something we dont?? Post mortem is a normal procedure for any unexplained death I believe and it's normal to have the body formally identified. Yes, you are spot on. There will be a post mortem and toxicology screening because of the circumstances. ID could take a while as sadly a body in water for 3 weeks will need a dental identification or DNA. And given it is very unlikely to be a natural death there will be an inquest. Sadly unless there is some form of note suggesting a deliberate act the family may never get the closure people are suggesting on this thread as its unlikely anyone would establish whether she fell or deliberately entered the water. " So they won't expect the family to identify the body? That's a relief if not Yep, I just remember that because my Dad died at home and suddenly. A post mortem was ordered because his death was unexplained | |||
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"I hope the family are treated with respect and dignity and let them have privacy to grieve. Some of the nonsense spouted regards this case has been staggering . I do too. Unfortunately i get the feeling they wont be getting much privacy for a few weeks. But once the post mortem is out the way, Nicola is positively identified, and no suspicious circumstances found, then the family can have closure Post mortem?? Identified?? Do you know something we dont?? Post mortem is a normal procedure for any unexplained death I believe and it's normal to have the body formally identified. Yes, you are spot on. There will be a post mortem and toxicology screening because of the circumstances. ID could take a while as sadly a body in water for 3 weeks will need a dental identification or DNA. And given it is very unlikely to be a natural death there will be an inquest. Sadly unless there is some form of note suggesting a deliberate act the family may never get the closure people are suggesting on this thread as its unlikely anyone would establish whether she fell or deliberately entered the water. " Yes I know what post mortem means I didnt mean that | |||
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"(quote ) 'Above all else, this has been really good for menopause and perimenopause awareness'.(unquote) I couldn't agree less. It has used a stereotype to reinforce that stereotype and move it toward becoming an entrenched widely held cultural belief. MOST women are not fragile creatures that fall apart during the menopause. MOST women do not turn to drink because of the menopause. As far as i'm concerned there is no evidence what so ever that Nicola did either. Disagree all you want. The discussions ive seen on some news channels have been enlightening.. And the women campaigning for more understanding and awareness, especially in the work place, were certainly happy to get their point across. At no point did anyone suggest or say 'Most women'." Yes they did. I did. | |||
"R.I.P Lets close this post." You are right. I hadn't seen your post. I'll honour that. x | |||
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"So the poor woman died by drowning, with no obvious evidence of foul play, yet the armchair detectives persist with their ill informed opinions to the contrary "Yes, but they haven’t ascertained who drowned her….the armchair detectives that is. | |||
