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"Reports that the church is considering going gender neutral with God and not using the word He. What is going on here guys? It's all over the news " They can't do that...... The bible!  | |||
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"Reports that the church is considering going gender neutral with God and not using the word He. What is going on here guys? It's all over the news " The immaculate conception knocked up Mary from heaven surely he has magic cock and balls? | |||
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"And man created earth....... Cmon "Bloody poundshop Bibles. God hadn't created Adam and even when he made the earth | |||
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"Reports that the church is considering going gender neutral with God and not using the word He. What is going on here guys? It's all over the news " Religions don't have enough to argue about so they've put this out there. It makes all the difference. All that renaissance art of white bearded men will have to be repainted and add some rainbows while at it. I can see this ending well for all the god based religions. | |||
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"He - and if there is a God, I am convinced he is a he, because no woman could or would ever fuck things up this badly." Liz Truss anyone? | |||
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"If God was a she we wouldn't be in the mess we are in today." Maybe so but God is now declared to be non binary.... And lo at the stroke of a pen, the world was made a better place, fanfares of non binary angels sang out and the ten commandments were corrected with their magic finger. Though shalt not covet thy neighbours non binary partner. | |||
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"My daughter was told in a R.E lesson at school to draw a picture of what she thought God looked like. She drew a woman. The teacher came over, looked at her drawing and told her off because she'd drawn a woman. Go figure, how could the teacher tell her off when no one knows what God looks like. " Did you go and correct them.? That's pretty shitty teaching. ... And on the 7th day they stayed at home and they did strike. | |||
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"My daughter was told in a R.E lesson at school to draw a picture of what she thought God looked like. She drew a woman. The teacher came over, looked at her drawing and told her off because she'd drawn a woman. Go figure, how could the teacher tell her off when no one knows what God looks like. Did you go and correct them.? That's pretty shitty teaching. ... And on the 7th day they stayed at home and they did strike. " Not this 7th day though as its half term. | |||
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"He - and if there is a God, I am convinced he is a he, because no woman could or would ever fuck things up this badly. Liz Truss anyone?" That's politics, we all know politicians are really just gender less soul sucking demons that are the spawn of each of the 7 deadly sins. | |||
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"If God was a she we wouldn't be in the mess we are in today. Maybe so but God is now declared to be non binary.... And lo at the stroke of a pen, the world was made a better place, fanfares of non binary angels sang out and the ten commandments were corrected with their magic finger. Though shalt not covet thy neighbours non binary partner." Angels weren't male or female. | |||
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"Assigning a gender to a concept is all a little pointless, no?" I totally agree, but it’s all over the text. I’d just treat it like the French do, and yeah ok there’s a masculine pronoun, but let’s not get too hung up on God’s genitals. | |||
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"God is a woman? Right then, who is going to tell the "Religion of peace"?" That has literally nothing to do with this besides shitstirring. | |||
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"I thought he/she was a dj….." For one night only. "For tonight, god is a dj" Maxi Jazz has taken over now. | |||
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"God is a woman? Right then, who is going to tell the "Religion of peace"? That has literally nothing to do with this besides shitstirring. " Surely this threads not being taken seriously anyway | |||
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"God is a woman? Right then, who is going to tell the "Religion of peace"?" Well indeed so. | |||
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"Surely this threads not being taken seriously anyway " Hopefully not, but the world is full of gurning imbeciles going “yeah but what about those people who are a bit different to me that I’m somehow obsessed with uhhhhhh” and it spoils the vibe for the rest of us. | |||
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"God is fictitious so who cares about gender. " Lots of people. Surely you can see that? Or do you think the same applies to all fictitious characters... Gender is significant in story telling isn't it? Or are we to gender wash all fiction too? | |||
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"God is a woman? Right then, who is going to tell the "Religion of peace"? That has literally nothing to do with this besides shitstirring. " If you think that then you really need to educate yourself and stop as you put it "shitstirring" | |||
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"What next…. The Parent The Child The Holy Ghost Or The Carer The Dependant The Holy Ghost?" Life of Brian was way ahead of its time... You can't have babies Stan, you don't have a womb. | |||
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"And man created earth....... Cmon
Bloody poundshop Bibles.
God hadn't created Adam and even when he made the earth "Even means level the earths round cmon | |||
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"My daughter was told in a R.E lesson at school to draw a picture of what she thought God looked like. She drew a woman. The teacher came over, looked at her drawing and told her off because she'd drawn a woman. Go figure, how could the teacher tell her off when no one knows what God looks like. Did you go and correct them.? That's pretty shitty teaching. ... And on the 7th day they stayed at home and they did strike. " I didn't on this occasion, but I should of. A lot of teachers at our children's school are hopeless. | |||
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"Made up fictitious character and exists only in peoples imaginations. Make it whatever you like. Can be a purple asexual octopus with dreadlocks if you like. " That sounds like my kind of god. Shrooms for the Eucharist | |||
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"And man created earth....... Cmon
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God hadn't created Adam and even when he made the earth Even means level the earths round cmon "Ha. Eve my bad. But is it really round??? Yes it is. | |||
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"To paraphrase a popular meme..'God promised an end to suffering and poverty, Odin promised to rid the world of Ice Giants...not seen any Ice Giants lately'. In all seriousness, I have no issue with what god/gods someone believes in (or what they look like) if in doing so it brings them some comfort so long as they don't try and impose their beliefs on everyone else." Agreed, most dont I volunteer at my landlady's church foodbank a few days a week and they're good people. Fortunately no ones tried to ram anything down my throat yet apart from cups of tea. Is the town centre crazies ranting and raving I give a wide berth. | |||
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"....so long as they don't try and impose their beliefs on everyone else." This exactly. Whatever you want their deity to be...fill your boots!! Just dont ram it down the throats of us heathens/pagans. | |||
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"And man created earth....... Cmon
Bloody poundshop Bibles.
God hadn't created Adam and even when he made the earth Even means level the earths round cmon
Ha. Eve my bad. But is it really round???
Yes it is.
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"Yep religious folks are all about embracing new things and tolerance. God will be a black lesbian by next Sunday. " Isn't that the next mcu film? | |||
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"And man created earth....... Cmon
Bloody poundshop Bibles.
God hadn't created Adam and even when he made the earth Even means level the earths round cmon
Ha. Eve my bad. But is it really round???
Yes it is.
yes although i saw a ship go over the edge just the other day "the edge of your bubble bath? | |||
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"....so long as they don't try and impose their beliefs on everyone else. This exactly. Whatever you want their deity to be...fill your boots!! Just dont ram it down the throats of us heathens/pagans." Well, God won't be ramming anything down anyone's throat now they've taken that away from him. | |||
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"Reports that the church is considering going gender neutral with God and not using the word He. What is going on here guys? It's all over the pews " I am fucking amazed no-one saw that one. Winston | |||
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"My daughter was told in a R.E lesson at school to draw a picture of what she thought God looked like. She drew a woman. The teacher came over, looked at her drawing and told her off because she'd drawn a woman. Go figure, how could the teacher tell her off when no one knows what God looks like. " That's awful! Who the hell is that teacher to tell a child off for her interpretation of what God looks like! She realises she is teaching a theory which has no bearing. My son got a detention when he was six for 'upsetting the Vicar' he went to a CofE and the Vicar came and started talking about how God made the earth, the plants the people and animals, my little boy asked him 'if God made all that then who made God' When I picked him up the teacher explained and I asked 'did he get his answer?' And got told no, the Vicar 'chose not to answer. Then my boy didn't do his detention, because I chose not to send him, even rang the School the next day to ensure it didn't happen. | |||
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"....my little boy asked him 'if God made all that then who made God' " Absolutely brilliant. From the mouth of babes, as they say. The simplest and most logical question. | |||
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"....my little boy asked him 'if God made all that then who made God' Absolutely brilliant. From the mouth of babes, as they say. The simplest and most logical question." I know, he was miffed for days that he never got his answer because we'd always encouraged them to question everything and always gave him an answer, if we didn't know then we found out together | |||
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"....my little boy asked him 'if God made all that then who made God' Absolutely brilliant. From the mouth of babes, as they say. The simplest and most logical question. I know, he was miffed for days that he never got his answer because we'd always encouraged them to question everything and always gave him an answer, if we didn't know then we found out together " Was he actually a priest and not a random old man. That question is asked by kids at Sunday schools every Sunday around the world | |||
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"My son got a detention when he was six for 'upsetting the Vicar' he went to a CofE and the Vicar came and started talking about how God made the earth, the plants the people and animals, my little boy asked him 'if God made all that then who made God' When I picked him up the teacher explained and I asked 'did he get his answer?' And got told no, the Vicar 'chose not to answer'. " To quote Father Ted: "That would be an ecumenical matter...it's what I always say when people ask me questions". | |||
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"Does this mean they have to write the fictional stories again and get rid of all he's and she's, him and her etc? " No one will notice anyway. The painting of the creation of man on the sistine Chapel ceiling where God's fingering Adam, he might need to lose the beard. | |||
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"Does this mean they have to write the fictional stories again and get rid of all he's and she's, him and her etc? No one will notice anyway. The painting of the creation of man on the sistine Chapel ceiling where God's fingering Adam, he might need to lose the beard. "  | |||
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"My daughter was told in a R.E lesson at school to draw a picture of what she thought God looked like. She drew a woman. The teacher came over, looked at her drawing and told her off because she'd drawn a woman. Go figure, how could the teacher tell her off when no one knows what God looks like. " Maybe she was referring to god the father? | |||
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"I find it quite astounding the amount of folks who believe all the twaddle about gods" I don't. It gives people comfort and makes them happy. Yeah religion is responsible for a lot of shit, but at a kind of base level religious people are kind and caring (in my experience) | |||
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"I find it quite astounding the amount of folks who believe all the twaddle about gods I don't. It gives people comfort and makes them happy. Yeah religion is responsible for a lot of shit, but at a kind of base level religious people are kind and caring (in my experience) " That’s great, I’m glad that your experience is so positive with religious people. My own experience as a queer transwoman is somewhat different unfortunately. It brings out an ugly side in many religious people (of all religions) | |||
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"I find it quite astounding the amount of folks who believe all the twaddle about gods I don't. It gives people comfort and makes them happy. Yeah religion is responsible for a lot of shit, but at a kind of base level religious people are kind and caring (in my experience) That’s great, I’m glad that your experience is so positive with religious people. My own experience as a queer transwoman is somewhat different unfortunately. It brings out an ugly side in many religious people (of all religions) " Yeah I'm under no illusion that religion is also responsible for a lot of shit too, was just my thoughts on why some people still have faith. And obviously can’t imagine your experience with it, you mention peoples ugly side, Some people are just shit. Anyway, Lemmys my god and everyone's welcome. | |||
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"Penguin " I'm keen to hear more about this theory. | |||
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"I find it quite astounding the amount of folks who believe all the twaddle about gods I don't. It gives people comfort and makes them happy. Yeah religion is responsible for a lot of shit, but at a kind of base level religious people are kind and caring (in my experience) That’s great, I’m glad that your experience is so positive with religious people. My own experience as a queer transwoman is somewhat different unfortunately. It brings out an ugly side in many religious people (of all religions) " This is true, but I have also met a number of people from different faiths who have been lovely and there are a number of people who are not religious who can be nasty (usually hiding behind their keyboards...just look at the comments on any Transgender persons Youtube channel for example) People will be people ..some are nice, some are not so pleasant regardless of any other factors. | |||
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"Maybe she was referring to god the father?" That was Marlon Brando, wasn't it? | |||
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"I've been kept awake at night through an equally valid question: "Is the bogeyman male or female?" Both are created trick or treat, but one hasn't caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in history." Bogeyperson | |||
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"I don't care what God is, I'm still not listening. " Always good to have an open mind. | |||
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"Maybe she was referring to god the father? That was Marlon Brando, wasn't it? "Oh very good... | |||
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"Reports that the church is considering going gender neutral with God and not using the word He. What is going on here guys? It's all over the news " God/The creator is a woman   | |||
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"If god does exist, of course he’d be a he, only a man would make this many fuck ups. " Bless you my son. You will get much clunge for stating this | |||
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" Not believe in God ? Next you'll be telling me Father Christmas and the tooth fairy don't exist you crazy loons "It's not whether they exist or not. It's that they are now of non binary gender. Once they've gone after God... Who or what is next to be neutered.? | |||
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"And man created earth....... Cmon
Bloody poundshop Bibles.
God hadn't created Adam and even when he made the earth Even means level the earths round cmon
Ha. Eve my bad. But is it really round???
Yes it is.
yes although i saw a ship go over the edge just the other day
the edge of your bubble bath? "lol haven't had a bath for 30 years | |||
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" Not believe in God ? Next you'll be telling me Father Christmas and the tooth fairy don't exist you crazy loons
It's not whether they exist or not. It's that they are now of non binary gender. Once they've gone after God... Who or what is next to be neutered.? "Read God was portrayed as male because in a patriarchy the highest power is assumed to be male, which it doesn't have to or should be. Is a a step to combat sexism and discrimination against women. Santa's safe as Mrs clause is the boss bitch and the tooth fairy one of a kind. | |||
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"And man created earth....... Cmon
Bloody poundshop Bibles.
God hadn't created Adam and even when he made the earth Even means level the earths round cmon
Ha. Eve my bad. But is it really round???
Yes it is.
yes although i saw a ship go over the edge just the other day
the edge of your bubble bath? lol haven't had a bath for 30 years "Where did the ship go then? | |||
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" Not believe in God ? Next you'll be telling me Father Christmas and the tooth fairy don't exist you crazy loons
It's not whether they exist or not. It's that they are now of non binary gender. Once they've gone after God... Who or what is next to be neutered.?
Read God was portrayed as male because in a patriarchy the highest power is assumed to be male, which it doesn't have to or should be. Is a a step to combat sexism and discrimination against women.
Santa's safe as Mrs clause is the boss bitch and the tooth fairy one of a kind. "Phew! Thank god for that (see what I did there) | |||
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" Not believe in God ? Next you'll be telling me Father Christmas and the tooth fairy don't exist you crazy loons
It's not whether they exist or not. It's that they are now of non binary gender. Once they've gone after God... Who or what is next to be neutered.?
Read God was portrayed as male because in a patriarchy the highest power is assumed to be male, which it doesn't have to or should be. Is a a step to combat sexism and discrimination against women.
Santa's safe as Mrs clause is the boss bitch and the tooth fairy one of a kind.
Phew! Thank god for that (see what I did there) "Genius. | |||
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"And man created earth....... Cmon
Bloody poundshop Bibles.
God hadn't created Adam and even when he made the earth Even means level the earths round cmon
Ha. Eve my bad. But is it really round???
Yes it is.
yes although i saw a ship go over the edge just the other day
the edge of your bubble bath? lol haven't had a bath for 30 years
Where did the ship go then? "exactly | |||
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"And man created earth....... Cmon
Bloody poundshop Bibles.
God hadn't created Adam and even when he made the earth Even means level the earths round cmon
Ha. Eve my bad. But is it really round???
Yes it is.
yes although i saw a ship go over the edge just the other day
the edge of your bubble bath? lol haven't had a bath for 30 years
Where did the ship go then? exactly "Was it a submarine with seamen in? | |||
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"And man created earth....... Cmon
Bloody poundshop Bibles.
God hadn't created Adam and even when he made the earth Even means level the earths round cmon
Ha. Eve my bad. But is it really round???
Yes it is.
yes although i saw a ship go over the edge just the other day
the edge of your bubble bath? lol haven't had a bath for 30 years
Where did the ship go then? exactly
Was it a submarine with seamen in? "Seathey* | |||
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"And man created earth....... Cmon
Bloody poundshop Bibles.
God hadn't created Adam and even when he made the earth Even means level the earths round cmon
Ha. Eve my bad. But is it really round???
Yes it is.
yes although i saw a ship go over the edge just the other day
the edge of your bubble bath? lol haven't had a bath for 30 years
Where did the ship go then? exactly
Was it a submarine with seamen in?
Seathey* "Dammit.. Busted. | |||
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"I wonder if the people who are agitating for this change are folks who are "religious" but think it will improve their religion. Not "religious" but would become so if this change is made. Not "religious" and would not become religious if the change is made. I'm not. Though one of my children is. Wonder if this will make their religion more valuable for them or less valuable or make no difference to them. " 99.99% of the people this will be aimed at are those that have not drank the Kool-aid yet, and an attempt at gaining new followers. They are not the target audience, have no intention of being and very likely never will be. | |||
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"Firstly there is no such thing as “The Church”, and secondly I could not care less. " Interesting, now just wondering is there a theological thread on Fab? For that group, the question to answer in less than 100 words: is there such a thing as 'the church' discuss? To some, church is a building, to the evangelical Christian then you are probably looking at Christian believers, others with a more inclusive view would see it as the Christian religious community as a whole, but you could go for the Greek term 'ekklesia' used in the New Testament and translated into English as 'Church' and that literally means 'assembly', 'congregation', or 'meeting' and is used to identify the early believers in Jesus. | |||
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"He - and if there is a God, I am convinced he is a he, because no woman could or would ever fuck things up this badly. Liz Truss anyone?" This wins the internet for today  | |||
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"Do they intend to edit the Bible accordingly? They've been dealt a sexist hand. What can they do. And the idea of an omnipotent, vengeful god is probably pretty masculine - there's a lot to change in their view." Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned. Women can do vengeful too. | |||
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"I wonder if the people who are agitating for this change are folks who are "religious" but think it will improve their religion. Not "religious" but would become so if this change is made. Not "religious" and would not become religious if the change is made. I'm not. Though one of my children is. Wonder if this will make their religion more valuable for them or less valuable or make no difference to them. 99.99% of the people this will be aimed at are those that have not drank the Kool-aid yet, and an attempt at gaining new followers. They are not the target audience, have no intention of being and very likely never will be. " Pr and marketing types then. The Bible, quran and torah Inc had a board meeting and thought.. "what can we do to increase footfall and closure rates?"... I know... Let's have a rainbows campaign, its worked with channel4... Cool . Let's go to the pub. | |||
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"Firstly there is no such thing as “The Church”, . . To some, church is a building, to the evangelical Christian …" In the context of this thread, the OP refers to a single entity, which does not exist. I’m assuming they mean The Church Of England, but they don’t speak for everyone. I can’t see the Catholics being down with this, for example. My point is there are loads of independent Christian sects, and CoE is pretty much irrelevant outside of the UK. | |||
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"I wonder if the people who are agitating for this change are folks who are "religious" but think it will improve their religion. Not "religious" but would become so if this change is made. Not "religious" and would not become religious if the change is made. I'm not. Though one of my children is. Wonder if this will make their religion more valuable for them or less valuable or make no difference to them. 99.99% of the people this will be aimed at are those that have not drank the Kool-aid yet, and an attempt at gaining new followers. They are not the target audience, have no intention of being and very likely never will be. Pr and marketing types then. The Bible, quran and torah Inc had a board meeting and thought.. "what can we do to increase footfall and closure rates?"... I know... Let's have a rainbows campaign, its worked with channel4... Cool . Let's go to the pub. " Only the Christians so far. Pub definitely. Never spent all morning thinking about gods never dick after thirty five years of only thinking about it the normal amount. | |||
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"Firstly there is no such thing as “The Church”, . . To some, church is a building, to the evangelical Christian … In the context of this thread, the OP refers to a single entity, which does not exist. I’m assuming they mean The Church Of England, but they don’t speak for everyone. I can’t see the Catholics being down with this, for example. My point is there are loads of independent Christian sects, and CoE is pretty much irrelevant outside of the UK. " See I assumed he meant all religions... Church, temple, mosque et Al... But yes perhaps he means only Christianity based religions | |||
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"because no woman could or would ever fuck things up this badly." "If God was a she we wouldn't be in the mess we are in today." Im guessing you two have never worked for a company with a significant amount of female managers? They’re more than capable of clusterfucks of the highest standard, faking it as much as anyone else- with the added bonus of some being majorly bitchy over the pettiest of things. And to quote of the of female minions I was working with at the time, after upsetting a female HOD ‘as least the blokes will confront you if they have a problem with you and draw a line under it- that cow will beat you with a stiletto for eternity for pointing out her bleeding obvious mistake the janitors cat wouldn’t have made…and she has a masters degree apparently-not that she goes on about it much’ | |||
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"because no woman could or would ever fuck things up this badly. If God was a she we wouldn't be in the mess we are in today. Im guessing you two have never worked for a company with a significant amount of female managers? They’re more than capable of clusterfucks of the highest standard, faking it as much as anyone else- with the added bonus of some being majorly bitchy over the pettiest of things. And to quote of the of female minions I was working with at the time, after upsetting a female HOD ‘as least the blokes will confront you if they have a problem with you and draw a line under it- that cow will beat you with a stiletto for eternity for pointing out her bleeding obvious mistake the janitors cat wouldn’t have made…and she has a masters degree apparently-not that she goes on about it much’ " Equality and all that.. | |||
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"because no woman could or would ever fuck things up this badly. If God was a she we wouldn't be in the mess we are in today. Im guessing you two have never worked for a company with a significant amount of female managers? They’re more than capable of clusterfucks of the highest standard, faking it as much as anyone else- with the added bonus of some being majorly bitchy over the pettiest of things. And to quote of the of female minions I was working with at the time, after upsetting a female HOD ‘as least the blokes will confront you if they have a problem with you and draw a line under it- that cow will beat you with a stiletto for eternity for pointing out her bleeding obvious mistake the janitors cat wouldn’t have made…and she has a masters degree apparently-not that she goes on about it much’ Equality and all that.. " Was going to point the irony out. Lol | |||
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Stretching but it's good! "Thanks - I couldn't decide between that or: "it's all over the Jews! | |||
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"As the energy/entity that we call God is not within this universe because it created it therefore could not be in it and is therefore not constrained by physical laws that we are I would say it is neither male nor female it just is" Omnipotent innit. Everywhere and (but mostly) nowhere. But men like whacking dicks on things, not in a gay way just, for fun. | |||
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Stretching but it's good!
Thanks - I couldn't decide between that or: "it's all over the Jews!
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"I stopped believing in God when I realised it was just dog spelled backwards. " And what about dogs? | |||
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"As the energy/entity that we call God is not within this universe because it created it therefore could not be in it and is therefore not constrained by physical laws that we are I would say it is neither male nor female it just is Omnipotent innit. Everywhere and (but mostly) nowhere. But men like whacking dicks on things, not in a gay way just, for fun. " Everywhere and nowhere baby? Sounds like a song trev. | |||
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"Penguin I'm keen to hear more about this theory. " Well it's simple. As plausible as any other theory. God is a penguin of indeterminate sex. | |||
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"As the energy/entity that we call God is not within this universe because it created it therefore could not be in it and is therefore not constrained by physical laws that we are I would say it is neither male nor female it just is Omnipotent innit. Everywhere and (but mostly) nowhere. But men like whacking dicks on things, not in a gay way just, for fun. Everywhere and nowhere baby? Sounds like a song trev. " Am I Trev? | |||
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"I stopped believing in God when I realised it was just dog spelled backwards. And what about dogs? " Well dogs are just awesome | |||
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"I stopped believing in God when I realised it was just dog spelled backwards. And what about dogs? Well dogs are just awesome " This is true. | |||
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"I stopped believing in God when I realised it was just dog spelled backwards. " Well spare a thought for the agnostic insomniac with dyslexia. He lies awake at night contemplating whether there is a dog. | |||
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"Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mindbogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as the final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God. The argument goes something like this: ‘I refuse to prove that I exist,’ says God, 'for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing.’ 'But,’ says Man, 'the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn’t it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves you exist, and so therefore, by your own arguments, you don’t. QED.’ 'Oh dear,’ says God, 'I hadn’t thought of that,’ and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic. 'Oh, that was easy,’ says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing. Most leading theologians claim that this argument is a load of dingo’s kidneys, but that didn’t stop Oolon Colluphid making a small fortune when he used it as the central theme of his bestselling book, Well That about Wraps It Up for God. Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation." So long, and thanks for all the fish. | |||
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"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start?" Hitler believed in God. And didn't like lots of people. Namely but not limited to the Jews. | |||
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"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start?" The ongoing genocide of Rohingya Muslims by the Burmese. | |||
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"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start? Hitler believed in God. And didn't like lots of people. Namely but not limited to the Jews." That's not what started the war though. Which is the point being made. Religion is part of the catalyst, it is fuel for the flames but it is never the catalyst alone. Religion was a great way to radicalised, because at the end of the day it is a cult. | |||
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"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start? The ongoing genocide of Rohingya Muslims by the Burmese. " The Serbian genocide on Kosovon Albanians 20 odd years ago | |||
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"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start? Hitler believed in God. And didn't like lots of people. Namely but not limited to the Jews. That's not what started the war though. Which is the point being made. Religion is part of the catalyst, it is fuel for the flames but it is never the catalyst alone. Religion was a great way to radicalised, because at the end of the day it is a cult. " They invaded the rhineland in Poland didn't they which indeed kicked it off...it was a war on a religion that killed like 6 million or so. Can't say that's not religion. | |||
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"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start? The ongoing genocide of Rohingya Muslims by the Burmese. The Serbian genocide on Kosovon Albanians 20 odd years ago " Religion didn't cause the war, it was about territory. | |||
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"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start? Hitler believed in God. And didn't like lots of people. Namely but not limited to the Jews. That's not what started the war though. Which is the point being made. Religion is part of the catalyst, it is fuel for the flames but it is never the catalyst alone. Religion was a great way to radicalised, because at the end of the day it is a cult. They invaded the rhineland in Poland didn't they which indeed kicked it off...it was a war on a religion that killed like 6 million or so. Can't say that's not religion. " They invaded Poland to regain the Rhineland which was taken from them as part of the conditions of the Treaty of Versailles. | |||
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"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start?" Bosnia? Kosovo? The Israeli/Palestinian conflict? Greek War Of Independence? Sudanese Civil War? Iran/Iraq War? Lebanese Civil War? Pakistan/India War? The 6 Day War? Thats just from this century, using my limited knowledge and readings. You've listed about 10 examples from the last 2000 yrs. Oh, and the Crusades. The 5 Crusdades i read about, people rallied to the cause because of religion. | |||
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"We should ask all these people who say "God spoke to me". Ask if it was a man's or woman's voice. Just use the force as god is a Jedi " | |||
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"Reports that the church is considering going gender neutral with God and not using the word He. What is going on here guys? It's all over the news " Wasting your time with this one tom. The number of people on a place like fab who will have any respect for the church and religious references will be minute. Havent even read the thread but my guess is its full of heeelarious atheists | |||
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"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start? The ongoing genocide of Rohingya Muslims by the Burmese. The Serbian genocide on Kosovon Albanians 20 odd years ago Religion didn't cause the war, it was about territory. " It didn't kick off the second World War but the persecution of Jewish people started before the war, and the holocaust resulted in over 6 million (I think) deaths. Religion wasn't involved? | |||
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"Assigning a gender to a concept is all a little pointless, no?" Absolutely this! | |||
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"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start? The ongoing genocide of Rohingya Muslims by the Burmese. The Serbian genocide on Kosovon Albanians 20 odd years ago Religion didn't cause the war, it was about territory. It didn't kick off the second World War but the persecution of Jewish people started before the war, and the holocaust resulted in over 6 million (I think) deaths. Religion wasn't involved? " He seems to think that the suggestion was that ALL wars were/are started because of/by Religion. Which of course isnt what was being said. But its definite that it can and has started, or at least contributed to, mumerous wars/conflicts | |||
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"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start? The ongoing genocide of Rohingya Muslims by the Burmese. The Serbian genocide on Kosovon Albanians 20 odd years ago Religion didn't cause the war, it was about territory. It didn't kick off the second World War but the persecution of Jewish people started before the war, and the holocaust resulted in over 6 million (I think) deaths. Religion wasn't involved? He seems to think that the suggestion was that ALL wars were/are started because of/by Religion. Which of course isnt what was being said. But its definite that it can and has started, or at least contributed to, mumerous wars/conflicts " Firstly, it's "she", not "he" - Bess here Secondly, I was referencing my own assertation that it has been said that religion causes wars. I still maintain that religion itself does not start wars, but has often been used as a contributory factor, but not he only, or main cause. To save me from addressing each conflict individually, I suggest you google "did the ....... start because of religion" and insert the conflict you're interested in place of the dots. Blaming the causes of these wars on religion only is intellectually lazy and far from accurate. | |||
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"I think there are many other questions about God they need to answer before what is Gods gender? " Dose it matter when god is a Jedi ? | |||
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"I think there are many other questions about God they need to answer before what is Gods gender? Dose it matter when god is a Jedi ?" Thought got was a DJ? | |||
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"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start? The ongoing genocide of Rohingya Muslims by the Burmese. The Serbian genocide on Kosovon Albanians 20 odd years ago Religion didn't cause the war, it was about territory. It didn't kick off the second World War but the persecution of Jewish people started before the war, and the holocaust resulted in over 6 million (I think) deaths. Religion wasn't involved? He seems to think that the suggestion was that ALL wars were/are started because of/by Religion. Which of course isnt what was being said. But its definite that it can and has started, or at least contributed to, mumerous wars/conflicts Firstly, it's "she", not "he" - Bess here Secondly, I was referencing my own assertation that it has been said that religion causes wars. I still maintain that religion itself does not start wars, but has often been used as a contributory factor, but not he only, or main cause. To save me from addressing each conflict individually, I suggest you google "did the ....... start because of religion" and insert the conflict you're interested in place of the dots. Blaming the causes of these wars on religion only is intellectually lazy and far from accurate."Wires were crossed. He was asking wars directly started because of. The genocides I mentioned were carried out against a specific religion or seft of a religion. I'm not going into why the holocaust again. It didn't start world war 2 but I don't see the relevance. Crusades were Christians against Muslim armies in the holy land. Anyway this was a serious chat about god losing his mojo | |||
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"Believing in god is like going to a gloryhole. You put your faith on someone you can’t see for the mere hope of happy ending." Only they've desexed god so there's no chance of a happy ending anymore. | |||
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"Believing in god is like going to a gloryhole. You put your faith on someone you can’t see for the mere hope of happy ending. Only they've desexed god so there's no chance of a happy ending anymore." Hand relief and moving in mysterious ways | |||
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"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start? The ongoing genocide of Rohingya Muslims by the Burmese. The Serbian genocide on Kosovon Albanians 20 odd years ago Religion didn't cause the war, it was about territory. It didn't kick off the second World War but the persecution of Jewish people started before the war, and the holocaust resulted in over 6 million (I think) deaths. Religion wasn't involved? He seems to think that the suggestion was that ALL wars were/are started because of/by Religion. Which of course isnt what was being said. But its definite that it can and has started, or at least contributed to, mumerous wars/conflicts Firstly, it's "she", not "he" - Bess here Secondly, I was referencing my own assertation that it has been said that religion causes wars. I still maintain that religion itself does not start wars, but has often been used as a contributory factor, but not he only, or main cause. To save me from addressing each conflict individually, I suggest you google "did the ....... start because of religion" and insert the conflict you're interested in place of the dots. Blaming the causes of these wars on religion only is intellectually lazy and far from accurate."We get what you are saying. But from the amount of books ive read on the subject, numerous historians would disagree with you. | |||
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"Reports that the church is considering going gender neutral with God and not using the word He. What is going on here guys? It's all over the news Wasting your time with this one tom. The number of people on a place like fab who will have any respect for the church and religious references will be minute. Havent even read the thread but my guess is its full of heeelarious atheists " Got to be honest given the nature of a site like this it doesn't exactly match up with the ideals of the bible. Thou shalt not covet another man's wife etc. Nowhere in the bible does it imply its ok to sleep with your neighbours wife as long as everyone is OK with it. Now if we were talking about the viking religion.... | |||
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We get what you are saying.
But from the amount of books ive read on the subject, numerous historians would disagree with you.
"Can you give me any names and/or links to articles where prominent military historians state categorically that particular wars were started solely for religious reasons? I would be very interested to read their theories. Are you confusing primary combatants for causation, as in the crusades and other conflicts where opposing factions were of different religions, but were fighting for power, resources or political superiority? | |||
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"I get a bit baffled when people say "religion causes wars". What wars exactly? The Crusades were mainly fought to control lucrative trade routes across the middle East. Religion was used as an excuse to generate funding, but those royal houses who contributed profited hugely from them. Genghis Khan was not religiously motivated to conquer, neither was Alexander the Great, the Roman Empire, the Vikings or Mzilikazi. WW1 and WW2 weren't religiously motivated, neither was Vietnam, Korea, Cambodia etc. So again, what wars did religion actually start? The ongoing genocide of Rohingya Muslims by the Burmese. The Serbian genocide on Kosovon Albanians 20 odd years ago Religion didn't cause the war, it was about territory. It didn't kick off the second World War but the persecution of Jewish people started before the war, and the holocaust resulted in over 6 million (I think) deaths. Religion wasn't involved? He seems to think that the suggestion was that ALL wars were/are started because of/by Religion. Which of course isnt what was being said. But its definite that it can and has started, or at least contributed to, mumerous wars/conflicts Firstly, it's "she", not "he" - Bess here Secondly, I was referencing my own assertation that it has been said that religion causes wars. I still maintain that religion itself does not start wars, but has often been used as a contributory factor, but not he only, or main cause. To save me from addressing each conflict individually, I suggest you google "did the ....... start because of religion" and insert the conflict you're interested in place of the dots. Blaming the causes of these wars on religion only is intellectually lazy and far from accurate.
We get what you are saying.
But from the amount of books ive read on the subject, numerous historians would disagree with you.
Can you give me any names and/or links to articles where prominent military historians state categorically that particular wars were started solely for religious reasons? I would be very interested to read their theories. Are you confusing primary combatants for causation, as in the crusades and other conflicts where opposing factions were of different religions, but were fighting for power, resources or political superiority?
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