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over a year ago
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Just having my back when I need it. I’ve had a few close friends that didn’t have my back when I needed it and that hurt. I don’t really expect anything else from the people that matter to me. |
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over a year ago
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Professionally I'm not sure loyalty comes into it, not in the same way as family or friends...
It's just business right? I mean, that's why we have contracts. |
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"Professionally I'm not sure loyalty comes into it, not in the same way as family or friends...
It's just business right? I mean, that's why we have contracts. "
I think “it’s just business” is a bad idea - if I had a choice between working with someone who I knew was always good for their word or someone who needed a contract to keep them inline then it would be the first person every time I would choose.
If you need a contract to keep you honest then you are not honest. |
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By *rHotNotts OP Man
over a year ago
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"Professionally I'm not sure loyalty comes into it, not in the same way as family or friends...
It's just business right? I mean, that's why we have contracts. "
I mean like corporately are you more loyal to your boss, your staff or the company etc often you have to choose. But business yes it’s just transactional.
Personally I mean has family automatically earned loyalty for free ?. Because blood is thicker than water actually means the opposite of that !!! |
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"Professionally I'm not sure loyalty comes into it, not in the same way as family or friends...
It's just business right? I mean, that's why we have contracts. "
I agree 100%. I go to work for money, not because I want to be loyal to my current employer. |
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By *ustBoWoman
over a year ago
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Loyalty is me is when I know someone has my back and won't let me down when I need them the most. And it works both ways. Recent times has showed me though it's a rare thing in people but it makes me value those I trust even more.
In work I have learnt over the years being loyal to an employer is usually wasted loyality as they are rarely loyal to their employees. In saying that I go in and do my job well I don't slack off or take sick days unless I am genuinely unwell.But I will no longer go above and beyond for work as I've done in the past. Work is work now and I have a life outside of it that is more important to me. |
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"Professionally I'm not sure loyalty comes into it, not in the same way as family or friends...
It's just business right? I mean, that's why we have contracts.
I think “it’s just business” is a bad idea - if I had a choice between working with someone who I knew was always good for their word or someone who needed a contract to keep them inline then it would be the first person every time I would choose.
If you need a contract to keep you honest then you are not honest."
I completely disagree. Contracts are there for the employees benefit as well as the employer benefit. |
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By *TG3Man
over a year ago
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"Early morning thought!
People talk a lot about trust, love , honesty etc but what does loyalty mean to you ?
In your personal life - friends, lovers, family, but also professionally ?
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loyalty is being totally trustworthy and dependable, they never let you down and you can tell them anything and if you're in trouble they don't judge they just turn up and are their for you.  |
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"Professionally I'm not sure loyalty comes into it, not in the same way as family or friends...
It's just business right? I mean, that's why we have contracts.
I think “it’s just business” is a bad idea - if I had a choice between working with someone who I knew was always good for their word or someone who needed a contract to keep them inline then it would be the first person every time I would choose.
If you need a contract to keep you honest then you are not honest."
Loyalty and honesty are two different things..I talked about loyalty.
Be honest, if someone offered you £20k more a year to do the exact same thing, offered you more holidays, more perks,less hours, more free time...would you stay? |
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The only people I give 100% loyalty to, are my kids, oh and my dog.
So many people put conditions on their loyalty and yes I'd love to be there for you when you need me the most. But sometimes I just can't. Priorities are important to me, but I am very clear to family, friends, lovers about my choices. |
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"Professionally I'm not sure loyalty comes into it, not in the same way as family or friends...
It's just business right? I mean, that's why we have contracts.
I think “it’s just business” is a bad idea - if I had a choice between working with someone who I knew was always good for their word or someone who needed a contract to keep them inline then it would be the first person every time I would choose.
If you need a contract to keep you honest then you are not honest.
Loyalty and honesty are two different things..I talked about loyalty.
Be honest, if someone offered you £20k more a year to do the exact same thing, offered you more holidays, more perks,less hours, more free time...would you stay?"
Point taken and I agree with you. I was actually think more about business partners - if a supplier company I was working with got offered a better deal and dumped me then I would never work with them again - that is why I think “it’s only business” is a short sighted phrase. |
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By *rHotNotts OP Man
over a year ago
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"Professionally I'm not sure loyalty comes into it, not in the same way as family or friends...
It's just business right? I mean, that's why we have contracts.
I think “it’s just business” is a bad idea - if I had a choice between working with someone who I knew was always good for their word or someone who needed a contract to keep them inline then it would be the first person every time I would choose.
If you need a contract to keep you honest then you are not honest.
Loyalty and honesty are two different things..I talked about loyalty.
Be honest, if someone offered you £20k more a year to do the exact same thing, offered you more holidays, more perks,less hours, more free time...would you stay?"
It’s very symbiotic for me
My loyalty is to my company first because they look after me so it’s 2-way,. Then to my boss and lastly my staff, that loyalty is a responsibility I have like children when you accept the role of father / boss.
Personally,, it’s with those that have been through tough times and fun times with and we’ve either made commitments to be loyal or just journeyed so much you’d never want to lose each other as friends and will sacrifice and fight to ensure you don’t |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Professionally I'm not sure loyalty comes into it, not in the same way as family or friends...
It's just business right? I mean, that's why we have contracts.
I think “it’s just business” is a bad idea - if I had a choice between working with someone who I knew was always good for their word or someone who needed a contract to keep them inline then it would be the first person every time I would choose.
If you need a contract to keep you honest then you are not honest.
Loyalty and honesty are two different things..I talked about loyalty.
Be honest, if someone offered you £20k more a year to do the exact same thing, offered you more holidays, more perks,less hours, more free time...would you stay?
Point taken and I agree with you. I was actually think more about business partners - if a supplier company I was working with got offered a better deal and dumped me then I would never work with them again - that is why I think “it’s only business” is a short sighted phrase."
Then that's where negotiating comes into play, can you offer your supplier a better deal? If not, then I'd accept they took the business elsewhere..and still keep the relationship open for future potential.
To vow never to work with them again because they look out for themselves financially, that seems short sighted to me...I'd rather keep all doors open for future transactions.
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Loyalty’s a misnomer. Just because someone does you a good turn doesn’t necessarily mean you need to repay them with loyalty.
The key is how an individual builds their relationships with those around them. If you are someone who positively impacts others through your actions within everyday life then those people will automatically become loyal to you. To what extent is down to your relationship with them.
I work within a small team, and as “The Boss” I have to make decisions regarding that team. Where the team’s heading overall but also individual’s personal development. Sometimes these decisions aren’t always nice ones. But having built my relationships they’ll carry out the not so pleasant work I suppose through a sense of loyalty to me and not the organisation. They know everything I ask of them is given, with their interests as best I can give, to heart.
All small cogs in the machine that is leadership. So I’ve been told. But hey! If I was any good I’d be a CEO of some multinational earning millions! |
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Fantastic question Notts....
Loyalty is highly important to me and I am fiercely loyal to friends and family ........... BUT .......... in my long life i've had people think that it means i'd back them up when they are in the wrong.. ( I mean against my moral compass in the wrong )
I won't.
I won't lie for them if the stakes are too high. |
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By *TG3Man
over a year ago
Dorchester |
"Fantastic question Notts....
Loyalty is highly important to me and I am fiercely loyal to friends and family ........... BUT .......... in my long life i've had people think that it means i'd back them up when they are in the wrong.. ( I mean against my moral compass in the wrong )
I won't.
I won't lie for them if the stakes are too high. "
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"Fantastic question Notts....
Loyalty is highly important to me and I am fiercely loyal to friends and family ........... BUT .......... in my long life i've had people think that it means i'd back them up when they are in the wrong.. ( I mean against my moral compass in the wrong )
I won't.
I won't lie for them if the stakes are too high. If you were a police woman you'd nick yer own mother wouldn't you "
I never knew my mother Macky |
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By *TG3Man
over a year ago
Dorchester |
"Fantastic question Notts....
Loyalty is highly important to me and I am fiercely loyal to friends and family ........... BUT .......... in my long life i've had people think that it means i'd back them up when they are in the wrong.. ( I mean against my moral compass in the wrong )
I won't.
I won't lie for them if the stakes are too high. If you were a police woman you'd nick yer own mother wouldn't you
I never knew my mother Macky "
I knew mine but don't anymore |
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There's a difference between not lying for someone and not grassing Macky ...
I wouldn't grass anyone up . Well most people..... some .... maybe my daughter and that nice man from the pub ..... not them. |
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By *TG3Man
over a year ago
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"There's a difference between not lying for someone and not grassing Macky ...
I wouldn't grass anyone up . Well most people..... some .... maybe my daughter and that nice man from the pub ..... not them. "
ahhhhh selective i get you theirs a hierarchy  |
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By *issmorganWoman
over a year ago
Calderdale innit |
It's something I'd expect from my partner and friends
I wouldn't expect it at work and definitely not from an employer,you're just another number.
It's all about being there for you when needed and you doing the same for them. |
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To me, loyalty is the difference between a friend and an acquaintance in my personal life.
Work wise, I think there automatically has to be a base level of loyalty, but beyond that it gets a bit more nuanced, and it depends...it's conditional, I'm being loyal because they pay my wages, provide decent working conditions etc, but by default that loyalty slips a bit when you know it's time to move on. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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To me it means I can trust you not to manipulate me, that you’ll have my back because I’ll always have yours
Work wise would depend, if it’s a big company probably not much, if it’s a small company I’d probably be protective of them, idk |
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"Early morning thought!
People talk a lot about trust, love , honesty etc but what does loyalty mean to you ?
In your personal life - friends, lovers, family, but also professionally ?
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Life and relationships (personal and professional/business) are about integrity.
It's the act of behaving honourably, even when no one is watching. Honesty, respect, loyalty, dependability and good communication skills are core elements of any well functioning relationship. These generate the core element of trust and feeling safe.
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
If things aren't working for you, within a personal or business relationship, be honest and respectful in your communication in order to figure next steps/solutions etc.
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I managed a company for 22 years on minimum wage but I was driven by loyalty because I had been involved in setting it up and had helped it grow and develop into the largest independent in the country.
I am fiercely loyal to my friends and never take their friendship lightly.
I trust my fwb implicitly and we can be completely raw and naked with each other even when fully dressed.
Others have attempted to drive a wedge between us because of their own inability to form lasting friendships and their tendency to stab their existing friends in the back at every opportunity but they only succeeded in strengthening our friendship. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"I don't think many people have a clue what it means.
I think it’s rare to find unconditional loyalty, maybe ex forces etc
What does it mean to you. ? "
In business its rare these days, people follow the money. I don't think loyalty is rewarded. Look at the NHS for example- quite literally kept us alive during lockdown and devalued by the Government as soon as they were no longer essential.
In my personal life, its someone who is steadfast, who understands you, and your fallibility but has your back. Its a form of unconditional love, if you will. |
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"I don't think many people have a clue what it means.
I think it’s rare to find unconditional loyalty, maybe ex forces etc
What does it mean to you. ? "
In business its rare these days, people follow the money. I don't think loyalty is rewarded. Look at the NHS for example- quite literally kept us alive during lockdown and devalued by the Government as soon as they were no longer essential.
In my personal life, its someone who is steadfast, who understands you, and your fallibility but has your back. Its a form of unconditional love, if you will.
I should add, its also holding you accountable, when you slip up, but not with an alterior motive. |
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By *rHotNotts OP Man
over a year ago
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"I managed a company for 22 years on minimum wage but I was driven by loyalty because I had been involved in setting it up and had helped it grow and develop into the largest independent in the country.
I am fiercely loyal to my friends and never take their friendship lightly.
I trust my fwb implicitly and we can be completely raw and naked with each other even when fully dressed.
Others have attempted to drive a wedge between us because of their own inability to form lasting friendships and their tendency to stab their existing friends in the back at every opportunity but they only succeeded in strengthening our friendship."
I think you get it!
Startups create that kind of loyalty - when we listed the company , we paid everyone twice that month to say thanks, didn’t need to and was advised not to. I’ve been offered better jobs but my loyalty is with them.
My fwb and certain exes know they can ask for anything , it’s life long loyalty even when the sex ends. Others don’t get it & don’t like it , they misunderstand it though their own disloyal lens
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Early morning thought!
People talk a lot about trust, love , honesty etc but what does loyalty mean to you ?
In your personal life - friends, lovers, family, but also professionally ?
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Having integrity and dignity in doing what you say your going to do..
Be there in thick and thin, not counter sign bullshit or shitty behaviour, but call it out and challenge it.
^ is loyality for me, getting to know me so you see me |
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Seems to be a confusion of lots of words..... some describing devotion or friendship or love more than loyalty ...
I remember a woman on a protest years ago with her placard saying that she was losing her job and that she'd been loyal for years and now her place of work was closing down.
While I could sympathise about job loss - I do find it curious that people forget that they were paid for years for the job they did and that no one owes them loyalty just because they turned up every day. You're supposed to turn up. |
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I nicked these from a 'wellness type' website
Honesty. ...
They Stand by You and Take a Stand for You. ...
They Respect Boundaries. ...
They Celebrate Your Success. ...
They have a Positive Outlook on Life. ...
They Invest in the Relationship. ...
They Don't have Conditions in a Relationship.Honesty. ...
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Having thought about it for a while, I'm starting to dislike the concept of loyalty.
I stay with my job because they pay me well and treat me well, if that stops I owe them nothing. I stay with my partners because they make me happy, and should that stop being the case it would be a disservice to stick around and waste each others time. I stand by my friends because I believe in them and what they stand for, if that changes it would be dishonest to pretend otherwise.
Loyalty kind of implies something owed for past events. But the present is relevant. |
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"Having thought about it for a while, I'm starting to dislike the concept of loyalty.
I stay with my job because they pay me well and treat me well, if that stops I owe them nothing. I stay with my partners because they make me happy, and should that stop being the case it would be a disservice to stick around and waste each others time. I stand by my friends because I believe in them and what they stand for, if that changes it would be dishonest to pretend otherwise.
Loyalty kind of implies something owed for past events. But the present is relevant."
Agreed. That's blind loyalty and it's expected of certain people..... specially in criminal gangs. |
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Plus...... I don't think that employer - employee relationships involve loyalty it's hardly symbiotic, it's an exchange of money for labour. No more no less. Great if you like the people you work for but it's still an exchange of money for labour and nothing more. |
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By *rHotNotts OP Man
over a year ago
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"Plus...... I don't think that employer - employee relationships involve loyalty it's hardly symbiotic, it's an exchange of money for labour. No more no less. Great if you like the people you work for but it's still an exchange of money for labour and nothing more. "
You can view it like that but not everyone does.
Im paid volunteer , I can choose to work for who I want , but my loyalty keeps me here not money.
Interestingly , loyalty is often tested when certain people leave and quickly take the team with them , loyalty to a boss is often higher than loyalty to a company. |
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over a year ago
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"Seems to be a confusion of lots of words..... some describing devotion or friendship or love more than loyalty ...
I remember a woman on a protest years ago with her placard saying that she was losing her job and that she'd been loyal for years and now her place of work was closing down.
While I could sympathise about job loss - I do find it curious that people forget that they were paid for years for the job they did and that no one owes them loyalty just because they turned up every day. You're supposed to turn up. "
Their are some people who turn up for the paycheck and there are others who turn up to make a difference and many times go above and beyond what's needed. |
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