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But, I think this week Scotland celebrated or remembered some dude called Burns and we all know how much the Irish enjoy St Guinness day.
But England doesn’t ever get a chance to celebrate what is a beuitiful country. It is gorgeous and green and hundreds of years of history. I don’t even know when our day is.
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"…. In Wales, there are big festivals for St David’s day, lots of people wearing daffodils or a felt leek. We used to get a half day in school too. Why do you think less people celebrate their Englishness? Gbat " Why did I forget about the Welsh?
I don’t know, I really do t get why it’s such a small thought for country that thinks it’s influence is world wide. | |||
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"Why do you think less people celebrate their Englishness?" Because no one likes the English. | |||
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"Until you ask someone what a roll is then it all becomes a bun fight." I see what you did there. Very clever!! Gbat | |||
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"I don't know I think it kind of does celebrate itself in a very English way. What about king Charles coronation? Or village fetes or agricultural shows? The masses upon masses of people traipsing around manor houses, castles, where writers and poets lived and were inspired, to areas where the industrial revolution occured or walking along canals. I think the English do celebrate it's heritage and culture,it's just very reserved with a stiff upper lip. Until you ask someone what a roll is then it all becomes a bun fight." . Do you think that could be it? We down play it as if it’s just! We dont need bells and whistles.
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"Why do you think less people celebrate their Englishness? Because no one likes the English." What? Not even the English? I don’t believe that. Gbat | |||
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"I do t have a bulldog or a George’s flag tattoo, but I live in England, and there are some* things I’m proud of this country for. Eg - they let me live here and haven’t tried to evict me yet
But, I think this week Scotland celebrated or remembered some dude called Burns and we all know how much the Irish enjoy St Guinness day.
But England doesn’t ever get a chance to celebrate what is a beuitiful country. It is gorgeous and green and hundreds of years of history. I don’t even know when our day is.
Are you patriotic? "British and proud of it. Irish and fond of it. | |||
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"I'm English but wouldn't say I'm madly patriotic. I don't go all out to celebrate St George's Day and I certainly don't give a rats arse about the national football team. I just love the fact as a nation we are steeped in history, not all good but times were different then." No one has a completely spotless history, the main thing is that you don’t repeat the same mistakes over and over. | |||
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"Why do you think less people celebrate their Englishness? Because no one likes the English. What? Not even the English? I don’t believe that. Gbat " I've heard northerners are not too keen on southerners and vice versa. | |||
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"I'm English but wouldn't say I'm madly patriotic. I don't go all out to celebrate St George's Day and I certainly don't give a rats arse about the national football team. I just love the fact as a nation we are steeped in history, not all good but times were different then. No one has a completely spotless history, the main thing is that you don’t repeat the same mistakes over and over." Only a fool would do so | |||
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"St. Georges day is April 23rd. In the late middle ages it was a public holiday. Until English Heritage pulled the plug, we used to attend a great annual event in honour of St. George." He wasn't English, he didn't even visit here..
He was adopted by Edward 1st I think as he was a 'good christian', and several other countries also celebrate his birthday..
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"Why do you think less people celebrate their Englishness? Because no one likes the English. What? Not even the English? I don’t believe that. Gbat I've heard northerners are not too keen on southerners and vice versa." Very true | |||
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" I don’t even know when our day is. " Google it. English people who complain that 'we' don't get a day like the Scots or Irish make me laugh. What's stopping them from celebrating? No, I'm not patriotic. The idea seems like nonsense to me. | |||
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"St. Georges day is April 23rd. In the late middle ages it was a public holiday. Until English Heritage pulled the plug, we used to attend a great annual event in honour of St. George. He wasn't English, he didn't even visit here..
He was adopted by Edward 1st I think as he was a 'good christian', and several other countries also celebrate his birthday..
We should at least have someone born here, Nelson perhaps ..? "I vote Bryan Robson. | |||
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"St. Georges day is April 23rd. In the late middle ages it was a public holiday. Until English Heritage pulled the plug, we used to attend a great annual event in honour of St. George. He wasn't English, he didn't even visit here..
He was adopted by Edward 1st I think as he was a 'good christian', and several other countries also celebrate his birthday..
We should at least have someone born here, Nelson perhaps ..? "I don't know many famous people born in Nelson | |||
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"Why do you think less people celebrate their Englishness? Because no one likes the English." Maybe because in the past, the media have painted proud patriotic English people as racist. If your proud patriotic and English then surely your a skin head middle aged guy who drinks to much and has joined one of them right (or left) wing political groups BNP, EDL and so on. | |||
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"I don't know I think it kind of does celebrate itself in a very English way. What about king Charles coronation? Or village fetes or agricultural shows? The masses upon masses of people traipsing around manor houses, castles, where writers and poets lived and were inspired, to areas where the industrial revolution occured or walking along canals. I think the English do celebrate it's heritage and culture,it's just very reserved with a stiff upper lip. Until you ask someone what a roll is then it all becomes a bun fight. . Do you think that could be it? We down play it as if it’s just! We dont need bells and whistles.
"Who hasn't read or watched a film some form of Shakespeare, Bretrix Potter or Mary Shelly? Or don't recognise some of the English painters such as Turner, Constable or Banksy? And not to mention the English influence on the music scene. I sometimes think the English take these things are normal and don't think to celebrate but they are immersed in it. Well that's my viewpoint as a Cymraes (Welsh woman) in any case. | |||
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and your patron st never visited these shores let alone slay a mighty dragon
In fairness i think its the pc brigade and dont offend snowflakes | |||
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" I don’t even know when our day is. Google it. English people who complain that 'we' don't get a day like the Scots or Irish make me laugh. What's stopping them from celebrating? No, I'm not patriotic. The idea seems like nonsense to me." I said I was proud, and certainly wasn’t complaining, I just find it ODD that we do t when we’re all in the British Empire. I’m not that proud to go and do research!
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"I was born in Europe. I'm European. I'm proud of where I live and I'm disgusted by what the jingoistic nationalists and little Englanders have done to it. I guess that makes me a lot more patriotic than the idiots with Rule Brittania tats and Lest We Forget flags on their houses." I don't get you, what are you saying? | |||
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"We're meant to be proud of being British but we're not allowed to show it in any way not even a union jack or St George's flag. Imagine telling an American that there not allowed to fly there flag "There's flags everywhere, there's at least half a dozen where we live within a cpl of miles and that's just on the main roads.. My father in law has one down south.. | |||
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"We're meant to be proud of being British but we're not allowed to show it in any way not even a union jack or St George's flag. Imagine telling an American that there not allowed to fly there flag "Who said you are not allowed to fly a flag? Facebook? | |||
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"I don't know I think it kind of does celebrate itself in a very English way. What about king Charles coronation? Or village fetes or agricultural shows? The masses upon masses of people traipsing around manor houses, castles, where writers and poets lived and were inspired, to areas where the industrial revolution occured or walking along canals. I think the English do celebrate it's heritage and culture,it's just very reserved with a stiff upper lip. Until you ask someone what a roll is then it all becomes a bun fight. . Do you think that could be it? We down play it as if it’s just! We dont need bells and whistles.
Who hasn't read or watched a film some form of Shakespeare, Bretrix Potter or Mary Shelly? Or don't recognise some of the English painters such as Turner, Constable or Banksy? And not to mention the English influence on the music scene. I sometimes think the English take these things are normal and don't think to celebrate but they are immersed in it. Well that's my viewpoint as a Cymraes (Welsh woman) in any case. "These are the things we can boast about isn’t it? Lots of very good examples. | |||
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"We're meant to be proud of being British but we're not allowed to show it in any way not even a union jack or St George's flag. Imagine telling an American that there not allowed to fly there flag
Unfortunately every time I've put up a flag to support sports teams like England in football. I've been asked to take it down, I even had one ripped off my car years ago.
There's flags everywhere, there's at least half a dozen where we live within a cpl of miles and that's just on the main roads..
My father in law has one down south.." | |||
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"We're meant to be proud of being British but we're not allowed to show it in any way not even a union jack or St George's flag. Imagine telling an American that there not allowed to fly there flag
I've had my local council phone me to say take it down because it's offering someone.
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" He wasn't English, he didn't even visit here..
"Never seem to bother the Irish that St Patrick was born somewhere in what is mainland Britain. The irony | |||
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"We're meant to be proud of being British but we're not allowed to show it in any way not even a union jack or St George's flag. Imagine telling an American that there not allowed to fly there flag "These days you get thrown in jail for saying you’re English, these days. | |||
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"Im a mix. And I don't feel I belong truly to any of those countries I am a citizen of. "Same | |||
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"Why do you think less people celebrate their Englishness? Because no one likes the English. Maybe because in the past, the media have painted proud patriotic English people as racist. If your proud patriotic and English then surely your a skin head middle aged guy who drinks to much and has joined one of them right (or left) wing political groups BNP, EDL and so on." | |||
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"I don't know I think it kind of does celebrate itself in a very English way. What about king Charles coronation? Or village fetes or agricultural shows? The masses upon masses of people traipsing around manor houses, castles, where writers and poets lived and were inspired, to areas where the industrial revolution occured or walking along canals. I think the English do celebrate it's heritage and culture,it's just very reserved with a stiff upper lip. Until you ask someone what a roll is then it all becomes a bun fight." Lovely post x | |||
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"Only in England do they do that thing where they flick handkerchiefs at each other other, and hit sticks with bells on whilst dancing back and fore. It's very patriotic and that tradition of Morris Dancing should forever continue along with dancing around the May pole. They celebrate Englishness in other ways but that's the one that stands out the most "Sausage, egg n chips, 20 pints of lager and brawling in the streets.
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"We're meant to be proud of being British but we're not allowed to show it in any way not even a union jack or St George's flag. Imagine telling an American that there not allowed to fly there flag "I'll be honest as a fellow Herts resident I regularly see St George Crosses outside houses, some appear to be a permanent fixture, others appear for certain events/dates. It's ridiculous that the council have told you this, and seems inconsistent with other properties in the area? | |||
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"We're meant to be proud of being British but we're not allowed to show it in any way not even a union jack or St George's flag. Imagine telling an American that there not allowed to fly there flag "Yes them are fighting words  | |||
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"St. Georges day is April 23rd. In the late middle ages it was a public holiday. Until English Heritage pulled the plug, we used to attend a great annual event in honour of St. George. He wasn't English, he didn't even visit here..
He was adopted by Edward 1st I think as he was a 'good christian', and several other countries also celebrate his birthday..
We should at least have someone born here, Nelson perhaps ..?
I don't know many famous people born in Nelson "Surprisin, but there's been a few | |||
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"We're meant to be proud of being British but we're not allowed to show it in any way not even a union jack or St George's flag. Imagine telling an American that there not allowed to fly there flag
These days you get thrown in jail for saying you’re English, these days."Is this true? Can you show me evidence? We stopped having St. George’s day as a national holiday back in 1707 apparently. (I’ve googled some stuff). Maybe it’s just to get the public to work some more!! Maybe. | |||
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"We're meant to be proud of being British but we're not allowed to show it in any way not even a union jack or St George's flag. Imagine telling an American that there not allowed to fly there flag
These days you get thrown in jail for saying you’re English, these days.
Is this true? Can you show me evidence?
"I'm guessing that there's nobevidence and its never happened. But it's comments like this, this awful paranoid victim mentality suggesting that somehow that the English are a persecuted minority is a prime example of why I have no pride in being English. | |||
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"I am extremely patriotic "I May or may not have a thing for an American girl. | |||
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"We're meant to be proud of being British but we're not allowed to show it in any way not even a union jack or St George's flag. Imagine telling an American that there not allowed to fly there flag
Unfortunately every time I've put up a flag to support sports teams like England in football. I've been asked to take it down, I even had one ripped off my car years ago.
There's flags everywhere, there's at least half a dozen where we live within a cpl of miles and that's just on the main roads..
My father in law has one down south.."That's wrong but it doesn't mean what you said is the case across the country.. | |||
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"I'm always surprised when people say they can't fly an English flag or it's racist to say they're English. Even saying they will get thrown in jail, apparently! If more people celebrated their Englishness in wholesome ways, then people wouldn't automatically link the St George's flag with BNP, EDL and the like. Not all English flag wavers are racist, just look at Last Night of the Proms. There's nothing wrong with being proud of your national identity or culture, just don't let it slide into jingoism and ultra nationalism. Gbat " But. … but….but…. Other countries are encouraged to do it on one day. They literally put one day to one side, and have national holidays. Why do they and we don’t? We could have garden parties. | |||
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"I do t have a bulldog or a George’s flag tattoo, but I live in England, and there are some* things I’m proud of this country for. Eg - they let me live here and haven’t tried to evict me yet
But, I think this week Scotland celebrated or remembered some dude called Burns and we all know how much the Irish enjoy St Guinness day.
But England doesn’t ever get a chance to celebrate what is a beuitiful country. It is gorgeous and green and hundreds of years of history. I don’t even know when our day is.
Are you patriotic? "I'm British. The Welsh,Scottish, English and Irish should all celebrate their history in my opinion | |||
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"But. … but….but…. Other countries are encouraged to do it on one day. They literally put one day to one side, and have national holidays. Why do they and we don’t? We could have garden parties. "Like I said, St George's Day is the day for you. It's just that most of you can't be arsed anymore. Gbat | |||
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"I'm always surprised when people say they can't fly an English flag or it's racist to say they're English. Even saying they will get thrown in jail, apparently! If more people celebrated their Englishness in wholesome ways, then people wouldn't automatically link the St George's flag with BNP, EDL and the like. Not all English flag wavers are racist, just look at Last Night of the Proms. There's nothing wrong with being proud of your national identity or culture, just don't let it slide into jingoism and ultra nationalism. Gbat " Flags here are personal statements. You usually have a American flag flying with others. It's strange to alot of foreigners. | |||
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"I do t have a bulldog or a George’s flag tattoo, but I live in England, and there are some* things I’m proud of this country for. Eg - they let me live here and haven’t tried to evict me yet
But, I think this week Scotland celebrated or remembered some dude called Burns and we all know how much the Irish enjoy St Guinness day.
But England doesn’t ever get a chance to celebrate what is a beuitiful country. It is gorgeous and green and hundreds of years of history. I don’t even know when our day is.
Are you patriotic? "St George's day. A few places do have traditional English Festivals but it is hard to find I have to admit. I only know about it because I'm a history addict. I have dual citizenship. I'm more leaning to my other country because I think England's got 60 million people supporting it and my other country has only got under 300k, facing climate change, annual natural disasters and dire economic demographics. They need it more that's all. I wouldn't be who I am without either country. They've both looked after me well. A bit like parents. | |||
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"St George’s Day. He’s the patron saint of England. That’s why you have the cross of St George on your flag. Quite a few places have civic parades, usually the scouts marching, etc. In Wales, there are big festivals for St David’s day, lots of people wearing daffodils or a felt leek. We used to get a half day in school too. Why do you think less people celebrate their Englishness? Gbat " Some of it is shame. What the "English" have done to other countries. But I look at it from a historical perspective: Long-standing monarchs, significant contributions to world economics, technology, performing arts, and modern democracy. I thank God the English entered some of the wars that they did and had some of the monarchs that they did. Being black, here are a few little-known facts, the first Transatlantic sl@ves were ensl@ved by the Spanish and the Portuguese. The English ( aka the British) were the first to abolish the sl@ve trade. I have dual nationality and National Pride is huge in the non-English one. | |||
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"Im a mix. And I don't feel I belong truly to any of those countries I am a citizen of. "Hugs. I've just got the two which is more than enough..... and an American sibling.....
I spend my days explaining chips, chips and crisps. The Aussies know what I'm on about.
Don't get me started on thongs, flip flops and slippers.
Thank Goodness Hoodie is universal and intergenerational.
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"I don't know I think it kind of does celebrate itself in a very English way. What about king Charles coronation? Or village fetes or agricultural shows? The masses upon masses of people traipsing around manor houses, castles, where writers and poets lived and were inspired, to areas where the industrial revolution occured or walking along canals. I think the English do celebrate it's heritage and culture,it's just very reserved with a stiff upper lip. Until you ask someone what a roll is then it all becomes a bun fight." Bap fight. In the American south it's a muffin or a biscuit. Lord help us. I dunno even know what the Aussies called round-shaped hand-sized flour baked goods. | |||
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"Why do you think less people celebrate their Englishness? Because no one likes the English." They alright but I live in London. Lol! | |||
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"Why do you think less people celebrate their Englishness? Because no one likes the English. What? Not even the English? I don’t believe that. Gbat I've heard northerners are not too keen on southerners and vice versa." Mate that's every country. What the Sicilians say about the Milanese..vice versa What the MarMarseillais say about the Parisians.....vice versa My parents live on a tiny island 20 miles long and the ones in the south think the ones from the east and north are strange. Especially when you take someone used to the city to the countryside...they start to break out in sweats. and being 20 miles from home. | |||
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"I don't know I think it kind of does celebrate itself in a very English way. What about king Charles coronation? Or village fetes or agricultural shows? The masses upon masses of people traipsing around manor houses, castles, where writers and poets lived and were inspired, to areas where the industrial revolution occured or walking along canals. I think the English do celebrate it's heritage and culture,it's just very reserved with a stiff upper lip. Until you ask someone what a roll is then it all becomes a bun fight. Bap fight. In the American south it's a muffin or a biscuit. Lord help us. I dunno even know what the Aussies called round-shaped hand-sized flour baked goods." now I want sausage biscuits and gravy | |||
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"I don't know I think it kind of does celebrate itself in a very English way. What about king Charles coronation? Or village fetes or agricultural shows? The masses upon masses of people traipsing around manor houses, castles, where writers and poets lived and were inspired, to areas where the industrial revolution occured or walking along canals. I think the English do celebrate it's heritage and culture,it's just very reserved with a stiff upper lip. Until you ask someone what a roll is then it all becomes a bun fight. Bap fight. In the American south it's a muffin or a biscuit. Lord help us. I dunno even know what the Aussies called round-shaped hand-sized flour baked goods. now I want sausage biscuits and gravy "What are sausage biscuits? Long live Britain day, whichever day that is (probably every day).  | |||
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"Fascinating thread, Woody! People have made some very insightful and valid comments. I’m proud. I’m proud to be me. I’m proud to have achieved everything I have achieved in life. I’m proud of who I am, what I say and do and what i stand for. But proud of being British? No. Because it’s not an achievement. I was born and raised here and it’s the only language I speak. I’m (relatively) happy here and will probably live here until my body says “oh FFS” and gives up. There are, in fact, many things about this nation of ours that make me embarrassed to be British. As though I’m part of a dysfunctional club run by morons with a great many selfish members insistent on displaying abhorrent behaviour here and abroad. But I just get on with my own life. That the other the other nations in our union celebrate their national heritage, I think, should drive us to do the same. But it’s not about ancient history anymore ie what happened 100 or 1000 years ago. It’s about celebrating our wonderful, diverse culture, heritage, practices and things that make us unique in this little island. Not patriotism, but an inclusive celebration of all that is great about our home. And for that, we absolutely should have a day set aside. " good views. | |||
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"I don't know I think it kind of does celebrate itself in a very English way. What about king Charles coronation? Or village fetes or agricultural shows? The masses upon masses of people traipsing around manor houses, castles, where writers and poets lived and were inspired, to areas where the industrial revolution occured or walking along canals. I think the English do celebrate it's heritage and culture,it's just very reserved with a stiff upper lip. Until you ask someone what a roll is then it all becomes a bun fight. Bap fight. In the American south it's a muffin or a biscuit. Lord help us. I dunno even know what the Aussies called round-shaped hand-sized flour baked goods. now I want sausage biscuits and gravy "This is why I love your nation. You have gravy for breakfast?!!!! | |||
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"…. In Wales, there are big festivals for St David’s day, lots of people wearing daffodils or a felt leek. We used to get a half day in school too. Why do you think less people celebrate their Englishness? Gbat Why did I forget about the Welsh?
I don’t know, I really do t get why it’s such a small thought for country that thinks it’s influence is world wide. "Um because historically the influence has been world wide. I'm keeping bread pudding, tea, Parliament, English language, Christmas Goose and my A-levels in my travels. I grew up with that BBC beep on the World News radio. It was the only way we knew what was going on in the outside world because my parents only had one TV channel! You can keep liver and onions, institutional racism, the BNP, Brexit and BoJo. That doesn't need to spread around the world. | |||
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" He wasn't English, he didn't even visit here..
Never seem to bother the Irish that St Patrick was born somewhere in what is mainland Britain.
The irony "Meh the patron saint for my other country is the Same as the Scottish. Meh Jesus was a Jewish Arab. | |||
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"…. In Wales, there are big festivals for St David’s day, lots of people wearing daffodils or a felt leek. We used to get a half day in school too. Why do you think less people celebrate their Englishness? Gbat Why did I forget about the Welsh?
I don’t know, I really do t get why it’s such a small thought for country that thinks it’s influence is world wide.
Um because historically the influence has been world wide.
I'm keeping bread pudding, tea, Parliament, English language, Christmas Goose and my A-levels in my travels. I grew up with that BBC beep on the World News radio. It was the only way we knew what was going on in the outside world because my parents only had one TV channel!
You can keep liver and onions, institutional racism, the BNP, Brexit and BoJo. That doesn't need to spread around the world. "Okay. But can someone take Ed Sheran? | |||
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"St. Georges day is April 23rd. In the late middle ages it was a public holiday. Until English Heritage pulled the plug, we used to attend a great annual event in honour of St. George. He wasn't English, he didn't even visit here..
He was adopted by Edward 1st I think as he was a 'good christian', and several other countries also celebrate his birthday..
We should at least have someone born here, Nelson perhaps ..? "As a black person, I can tell you that Nelson is controversial and won't sit with Westminster. The Irish, Scots and Welsh have their own representation but like it or not, England has to put up with Westminster. | |||
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"St. Georges day is April 23rd. In the late middle ages it was a public holiday. Until English Heritage pulled the plug, we used to attend a great annual event in honour of St. George. He wasn't English, he didn't even visit here..
He was adopted by Edward 1st I think as he was a 'good christian', and several other countries also celebrate his birthday..
We should at least have someone born here, Nelson perhaps ..?
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" I don’t even know when our day is. Google it. English people who complain that 'we' don't get a day like the Scots or Irish make me laugh. What's stopping them from celebrating? No, I'm not patriotic. The idea seems like nonsense to me." Doesn't stop me from celebrating my other country. I just book the day off work authorized or unauthorized. Soz. Lol! | |||
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"St. Georges day is April 23rd. In the late middle ages it was a public holiday. Until English Heritage pulled the plug, we used to attend a great annual event in honour of St. George. He wasn't English, he didn't even visit here..
He was adopted by Edward 1st I think as he was a 'good christian', and several other countries also celebrate his birthday..
We should at least have someone born here, Nelson perhaps ..?
I don't know many famous people born in Nelson "Lol! Stop it... lol! | |||
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"I do t have a bulldog or a George’s flag tattoo, but I live in England, and there are some* things I’m proud of this country for. Eg - they let me live here and haven’t tried to evict me yet
But, I think this week Scotland celebrated or remembered some dude called Burns and we all know how much the Irish enjoy St Guinness day.
But England doesn’t ever get a chance to celebrate what is a beuitiful country. It is gorgeous and green and hundreds of years of history. I don’t even know when our day is.
Are you patriotic? "I'm English and proud i don’t celebrate St Georges day but i do love a lot of things about English heritage, its beaches and coastlines are amazing, its Capital city amazing, its history amazing, its roads, it is a great country oh and not to forget its national rugby and football teams  | |||
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"St. Georges day is April 23rd. In the late middle ages it was a public holiday. Until English Heritage pulled the plug, we used to attend a great annual event in honour of St. George. He wasn't English, he didn't even visit here..
He was adopted by Edward 1st I think as he was a 'good christian', and several other countries also celebrate his birthday..
We should at least have someone born here, Nelson perhaps ..?
I don't know many famous people born in Nelson
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"Why do you think less people celebrate their Englishness? Because no one likes the English. Maybe because in the past, the media have painted proud patriotic English people as racist. If your proud patriotic and English then surely your a skin head middle aged guy who drinks to much and has joined one of them right (or left) wing political groups BNP, EDL and so on." Never felt that way about patriotism...but I'm black, a dual citizen and a globalist... I attend family meeting telephone group with family members in 4 different countries. National politics bores the hell out of me and feels myopic. I understand it. I studied it but things like pandemics, global war, global climate collapse, global economic collapse, and universal international human rights hold my attention more. every country has good and bad points and that special gloriousness that makes them unique adn should be celebrated. I'll start tea. | |||
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"Why do you think less people celebrate their Englishness? Because no one likes the English. Maybe because in the past, the media have painted proud patriotic English people as racist. If your proud patriotic and English then surely your a skin head middle aged guy who drinks to much and has joined one of them right (or left) wing political groups BNP, EDL and so on. Never felt that way about patriotism...but I'm black, a dual citizen and a globalist... I attend family meeting telephone group with family members in 4 different countries. National politics bores the hell out of me and feels myopic. I understand it. I studied it but things like pandemics, global war, global climate collapse, global economic collapse, and universal international human rights hold my attention more. every country has good and bad points and that special gloriousness that makes them unique adn should be celebrated. I'll start tea. "I doff my cap to you. | |||
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"I don't know I think it kind of does celebrate itself in a very English way. What about king Charles coronation? Or village fetes or agricultural shows? The masses upon masses of people traipsing around manor houses, castles, where writers and poets lived and were inspired, to areas where the industrial revolution occured or walking along canals. I think the English do celebrate it's heritage and culture,it's just very reserved with a stiff upper lip. Until you ask someone what a roll is then it all becomes a bun fight. . Do you think that could be it? We down play it as if it’s just! We dont need bells and whistles.
Who hasn't read or watched a film some form of Shakespeare, Bretrix Potter or Mary Shelly? Or don't recognise some of the English painters such as Turner, Constable or Banksy? And not to mention the English influence on the music scene. I sometimes think the English take these things are normal and don't think to celebrate but they are immersed in it. Well that's my viewpoint as a Cymraes (Welsh woman) in any case. "and the fact that it's all been beautifully preserved for all the tourists from other countries to come and gawk at in relative safety. There are reasons I, a single black female haven't traveled to certain countries and certain areas in the world. | |||
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"St. Georges day is April 23rd. In the late middle ages it was a public holiday. Until English Heritage pulled the plug, we used to attend a great annual event in honour of St. George. He wasn't English, he didn't even visit here..
He was adopted by Edward 1st I think as he was a 'good christian', and several other countries also celebrate his birthday..
We should at least have someone born here, Nelson perhaps ..?
I vote Bryan Robson.
they have to be dead mate, for at least 200 years. "No reason it has to be a geeeeeezah. Maybe a nice way to memorialise the queen. Although there are many who are not monarchists (I’m gradually drifting there). I vote for Saint Attenborough day (to my eternal regret, he’ll be gone soon) on 8th May (his birthday). | |||
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"I was born in Europe. I'm European. I'm proud of where I live and I'm disgusted by what the jingoistic nationalists and little Englanders have done to it. I guess that makes me a lot more patriotic than the idiots with Rule Brittania tats and Lest We Forget flags on their houses." Extremists come in all forms.....I'm aiming for avoiding the extremes and keeping some sort of balance perspective. makes my life happier...and I hope others around me by extension.. I'm trying not to be a grumpy old woman...at least not in public. Lol! | |||
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"We're meant to be proud of being British but we're not allowed to show it in any way not even a union jack or St George's flag. Imagine telling an American that there not allowed to fly there flag
These days you get thrown in jail for saying you’re English, these days.
Is this true? Can you show me evidence?
We stopped having St. George’s day as a national holiday back in 1707 apparently. (I’ve googled some stuff). Maybe it’s just to get the public to work some more!! Maybe.
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"Welsh and proper proud
and your patron st never visited these shores let alone slay a mighty dragon
In fairness i think its the pc brigade and dont offend snowflakes "Proud snowflake here. I try to be politically correct for the simple fact that I have to travel and deal with people internationally. I mean if you live in Middle England and never leave you can say what you like because everyone around you is pretty much like you. Confirmation bias. I know what it's like to a minority and a majority so I prefer to keep a balance between those two perspectives particularly because I work and live in a multi-cultural, multi-national environment. The internet is multi-national and multi-lingual so people understand if you say something that's offensive internationally very easily. They can track you down and ruin your life. There's a documentary about a Chinese man who went to Africa and made the Malawi children say derogatory things about themselves in Chinese to put on Chinese social media. International Social media crushed him very easily faster than they caught most serial killers. It takes a certain kind of person to fail political correctness internationally. Like when Mr. Berlusconi called Mr Obama "tanned" | |||
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""I don’t understand this notion of ethnic pride. “Proud to be Irish,” “Puerto Rican pride,” “Black pride.” It seems to me that pride should be reserved for accomplishments; things you attain or achieve, not things that happen to you by chance. Being Irish isn’t a skill; it’s genetic. You wouldn’t say, “I’m proud to have brown hair,” or “I’m proud to be short and stocky.” So why the fuck should you say you’re proud to be Irish? I’m Irish, but I’m not particularly proud of it. Just glad! Goddamn glad to be Irish!" - George Carlin" George Carlin: Straight? Monogamous? White? Boomer? Lived his whole life as a majority? Male? English speaking? Christian? Dead? Ah right..I have little to nothing in common with him. My Neurodivergent brain has filed this under "irrelevant". Soz. Good quote for others though. | |||
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"Nah, seems daft to be proud of somewhere you happened to be born. " I'm proud of somewhere I wasn't born. Lol! | |||
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"St. Georges day is April 23rd. In the late middle ages it was a public holiday. Until English Heritage pulled the plug, we used to attend a great annual event in honour of St. George. He wasn't English, he didn't even visit here..
He was adopted by Edward 1st I think as he was a 'good christian', and several other countries also celebrate his birthday..
We should at least have someone born here, Nelson perhaps ..?
I don't know many famous people born in Nelson
Lol! Stop it... lol!
I'm here all week "Yeah I vote Lord Nelson , a Norfolk boy | |||
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"We're meant to be proud of being British but we're not allowed to show it in any way not even a union jack or St George's flag. Imagine telling an American that there not allowed to fly there flag
These days you get thrown in jail for saying you’re English, these days.
Is this true? Can you show me evidence?
We stopped having St. George’s day as a national holiday back in 1707 apparently. (I’ve googled some stuff). Maybe it’s just to get the public to work some more!! Maybe.
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"We're meant to be proud of being British but we're not allowed to show it in any way not even a union jack or St George's flag. Imagine telling an American that there not allowed to fly there flag
Unfortunately every time I've put up a flag to support sports teams like England in football. I've been asked to take it down, I even had one ripped off my car years ago.
There's flags everywhere, there's at least half a dozen where we live within a cpl of miles and that's just on the main roads..
My father in law has one down south.."Who's told someone to take down their flags in the UK? I mean I've lived in Southwest London for over 10 years and we put all our flags up.... If you look at some of the London Tower blocks, You've got English, Jamaican, Brazilian, French and Italian etc. all in the windows. You've got the Rainbow flag as well. No-one bats an eyelid I'm Caribbean heritage and no one would thing of going to Caribbean Carnival without your flag! And that's every Caribbean carnival I've been to all over the UK ( Nottingham, Derby, Leicester, London) and in America.( New York, Miami, Boston) what was that about telling you to take down the team flag? I mean to be fair I won't take the Chelsea club flag into a Millwall pub but out in regular public what's wrong with showing it? It's a club or national representation. Now if it's radicalized and against the law ok but if it's not...live and let live. | |||
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"We're meant to be proud of being British but we're not allowed to show it in any way not even a union jack or St George's flag. Imagine telling an American that there not allowed to fly there flag
I've had my local council phone me to say take it down because it's offering someone.
Who said you are not allowed to fly a flag? Facebook? "Facebook is weird and I'm an Xennial. | |||
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"Only in England do they do that thing where they flick handkerchiefs at each other other, and hit sticks with bells on whilst dancing back and fore. It's very patriotic and that tradition of Morris Dancing should forever continue along with dancing around the May pole. They celebrate Englishness in other ways but that's the one that stands out the most "Do love to see Morris Dancing. A dying tradition. I think. | |||
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"We're meant to be proud of being British but we're not allowed to show it in any way not even a union jack or St George's flag. Imagine telling an American that there not allowed to fly there flag
These days you get thrown in jail for saying you’re English, these days."Please direct me to the Act of Parliament where it is written in black and white that "any person saying they are English shall be arrested forewith" | |||
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"I don't know I think it kind of does celebrate itself in a very English way. What about king Charles coronation? Or village fetes or agricultural shows? The masses upon masses of people traipsing around manor houses, castles, where writers and poets lived and were inspired, to areas where the industrial revolution occured or walking along canals. I think the English do celebrate it's heritage and culture,it's just very reserved with a stiff upper lip. Until you ask someone what a roll is then it all becomes a bun fight." Are you calling the English barm-y?! | |||
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"I'm born and bred English and very proud. I'll put a flag up during jubilees etc and always want the English team or person to win. Nothing wrong with supporting the country you were born and brought up in. " | |||
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"I've never felt the need to be proud of being English based in being born here. Certainly I find it more often embarrassing or depressing to be English and or British. That said I do find it sad that I think when many people think of celebrating St George's day the thoughts often go to nationalists rather than any real celebration of heritage. We've lost our way. " Sorry to hear that. You see amongst my friends and family I'm the limey/English one ( they rarely use British)..I'm a bit of a novelty and they can't understand why I get so angry about tea. It's good entertainment when we all get together. We have ago at the leaders of all three countries. Mate From 1066 to 2023 of solid political stability apart from the 9 years of the English Civil War is nothing to be sniffed at nor an Empire that the Sun never set on. England is one of the longest-running national states in the world when everyone else was organized into small tribes and principalities. The British Empire was bigger than the empire that Genghis Khan ruled. Probably just as brutal but still impressive. That's what I think about when I think about the English. Think about what happens when one doesn't have pride/esteem in oneself and one doesn't care about oneself.. I could be wrong but I suspect a similar thing happens when there is no national identity, no national pride, no national care, and no national desire to make the country better. | |||
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"I'm a proud English man, this country has so much history. But I do understand people mostly younger people who are not patriotic. The way this country has been run over the last 30yrs is shambolic. No manufacturing left all sold out to foreign companies. But I'm still proud to be English "I'm younger and still patriotic to both my countries. | |||
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"More embarrassed then proud to be honest" Why. Just look at some of the positive examples in this thread alone that surely can outweigh some of our terrible history. Ignore the way some will try and ruin the now, and overwhelmed them with the good stuff. | |||
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"Not proud to be English, not proud to be an Indian, etc. Just trying hard to be a good human being. "That works too hun! From my mental health perspective, I think people should have an identity and celebrate it regardless of what it is. that's how I can be proud to be cis-hetero, female, black, British- Afro Caribbean, Christian, Solo Polyamorous Swinger and still get along with and celebrate people who are the complete opposite to me. That's why I'm Maverick. For my neurodivergent brain, variety and all little small good bits about people and life make it all worth it. No one needs to change who they are and where they are unless it's causing serious harm to themselves or others. Things and places can be replaced but not people. | |||
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"More embarrassed then proud to be honest Why. Just look at some of the positive examples in this thread alone that surely can outweigh some of our terrible history. Ignore the way some will try and ruin the now, and overwhelmed them with the good stuff. "Done get me wrong great grandad and one of my grandad fought in both ww1 ww2 I'm extremely proud of I myself nearly served (medical discharge), but over the last 10 15 years this country has become a joke I won't go on but yes I was proud at one time even willing to serve in the army | |||
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"I am tempted to post something I just posted in the "Harry" thread! I think Shakespeare says it perfectly in Henry V, when its the dawn before battle and he is preparing his troops for the battle of Agincourt. In fact, sod it, read or do not, its up to you.... What’s he that wishes so? My cousin Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin: If we are mark’d to die, we are enow To do our country loss; and if to live, The fewer men, the greater share of honour. God’s will! I pray thee, wish not one man more. By Jove, I am not covetous for gold, Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost; It yearns me not if men my garments wear; Such outward things dwell not in my desires: But if it be a sin to covet honour, I am the most offending soul alive. No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England: God’s peace! I would not lose so great an honour As one man more, methinks, would share from me For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more! Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host, That he which hath no stomach to this fight, Let him depart; his passport shall be made And crowns for convoy put into his purse: We would not die in that man’s company That fears his fellowship to die with us. This day is called the feast of Crispian: He that outlives this day, and comes safe home, Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named, And rouse him at the name of Crispian. He that shall live this day, and see old age, Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours, And say ‘To-morrow is Saint Crispian:’ Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars. And say ‘These wounds I had on Crispin’s day.’ Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot, But he’ll remember with advantages What feats he did that day: then shall our names. Familiar in his mouth as household words Harry the king, Bedford and Exeter, Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester, Be in their flowing cups freshly remember’d. This story shall the good man teach his son; And Crispin Crispian shall ne’er go by, From this day to the ending of the world, But we in it shall be remember’d; We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile, This day shall gentle his condition: And gentlemen in England now a-bed Shall think themselves accursed they were not here, And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day. " Your point? | |||
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"We're meant to be proud of being British but we're not allowed to show it in any way not even a union jack or St George's flag. Imagine telling an American that there not allowed to fly there flag Yes them are fighting words "I will fight over tea. I am decidedly British when it comes to tea. I was calmly minding my own business on holiday with the American Fam and they tried to give me American "tea" for BREAKFAST.......I swear I had a rage attack.
Luckily I didn't go down to the Harbour and tip the whole lot in. Yes, I was in Boston, Massachusetts. I'm taking my own teabags next time.
I'm British and not a morning person...woe betides the person who trifles with me before I've had a cup of STRONG ENGLISH BREAKFAST TEA WITH MILK AND SUGAR/sweetener.
One poor young lad from the Baltic countries tried to get me to stop drinking my tea at work before 7am because my shift started at 6.15 am. Luckily his parents didn't have to ship his body back via the Baltic from the look I gave him. He never mentioned it again.
One Tanzanian lad tried to give me Chai for BREAKFAST...he had a chai-coloured carpet after.
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"Not to rub it in, but we get two Scottishy days. I had an extra bank holiday from work for St Andrews day in Nov. We'll just take any excuse for a party "That's like Trinidad in the Caribbean. They celebrate all the Christian, Hindu and Muslim festivals....then Carnival...basically a non-stop party. I'd never go to work....or I'd go to work hungover all the time. | |||
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"We're meant to be proud of being British but we're not allowed to show it in any way not even a union jack or St George's flag. Imagine telling an American that there not allowed to fly there flag Yes them are fighting words
I will fight over tea.
I am decidedly British when it comes to tea. I was calmly minding my own business on holiday with the American Fam and they tried to give me American "tea" for BREAKFAST.......I swear I had a rage attack.
Luckily I didn't go down to the Harbour and tip the whole lot in. Yes, I was in Boston, Massachusetts. I'm taking my own teabags next time.
I'm British and not a morning person...woe betides the person who trifles with me before I've had a cup of STRONG ENGLISH BREAKFAST TEA WITH MILK AND SUGAR/sweetener.
One poor young lad from the Baltic countries tried to get me to stop drinking my tea at work before 7am because my shift started at 6.15 am. Luckily his parents didn't have to ship his body back via the Baltic from the look I gave him. He never mentioned it again.
One Tanzanian lad tried to give me Chai for BREAKFAST...he had a chai-coloured carpet after.
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"We're meant to be proud of being British but we're not allowed to show it in any way not even a union jack or St George's flag. Imagine telling an American that there not allowed to fly there flag
These days you get thrown in jail for saying you’re English, these days.
Is this true? Can you show me evidence?
I'm guessing that there's nobevidence and its never happened.
But it's comments like this, this awful paranoid victim mentality suggesting that somehow that the English are a persecuted minority is a prime example of why I have no pride in being English. "The English are a persecuted minority in England? Cackle..I'm going to take that one to work so I can have a laugh with my Italian, Gen Z supervisor.
Good thing those Gen Z'er that I work with keep me woke. They help me with tech too since I dont' have kids. Lol!
Millenials are too tired to be outraged now. We happily pass the outrage baton to the Gen Z and Gen A. Let's face it the rest of us are dying off. There's more of them than there is of us. | |||
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"I'm English/Welsh, but I'm proud to be British. Yes, we've done some horrible things in our past, but those horrible things often led to the acquisition of great wealth. With it, we built, amongst other things, hospitals and universities. These seats of learning and research have led to the creations and inventions of things, without which, the world would be a very different place. Penicillin, for example, acknowledged to be the greatest medical advancement in human history, has saved millions upon millions of lives around the world. Similarly, Joseph Lister's discovery of antiseptic properties and usage. You don't have to be a flag waving patriot to be proud of the accomplishments of your country, and your part in it." See, the penicillin example always irks me (sorry!) Alexander Fleming (Scottish) sort of discovered penicillin, by being a very untidy scientist. He'd initially discarded the plate with the famous mould on it, and it was one of his students who took a closer look and pointed out the area of exclusion around the mould. Fleming tried briefly and unsuccessfully to isolate whatever the mould was secreting but was unsuccessful and he did almost nothing more with it after that. The paper he published in 1926 garnered little interest too, and that was that. It wasn't until 1937 that Ernst Chain (born German, naturalised British) and Howard Florey (Australian) read about penicillin and it was them who took it from a laboratory curiosity to the purified medical product that could be used in humans. How many Brits know anything about Ernst Chain and Howard Florey? Their contribution to the development of penicillin as an actual functioning drug was far greater than Fleming's.... *Off microbiological soapbox* Sorry | |||
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"I'm English/Welsh, but I'm proud to be British. Yes, we've done some horrible things in our past, but those horrible things often led to the acquisition of great wealth. With it, we built, amongst other things, hospitals and universities. These seats of learning and research have led to the creations and inventions of things, without which, the world would be a very different place. Penicillin, for example, acknowledged to be the greatest medical advancement in human history, has saved millions upon millions of lives around the world. Similarly, Joseph Lister's discovery of antiseptic properties and usage. You don't have to be a flag waving patriot to be proud of the accomplishments of your country, and your part in it. See, the penicillin example always irks me (sorry!) Alexander Fleming (Scottish) sort of discovered penicillin, by being a very untidy scientist. He'd initially discarded the plate with the famous mould on it, and it was one of his students who took a closer look and pointed out the area of exclusion around the mould. Fleming tried briefly and unsuccessfully to isolate whatever the mould was secreting but was unsuccessful and he did almost nothing more with it after that. The paper he published in 1926 garnered little interest too, and that was that. It wasn't until 1937 that Ernst Chain (born German, naturalised British) and Howard Florey (Australian) read about penicillin and it was them who took it from a laboratory curiosity to the purified medical product that could be used in humans. How many Brits know anything about Ernst Chain and Howard Florey? Their contribution to the development of penicillin as an actual functioning drug was far greater than Fleming's.... *Off microbiological soapbox* Sorry "Correction - *1928 for Fleming's work | |||
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"I'm always surprised when people say they can't fly an English flag or it's racist to say they're English. Even saying they will get thrown in jail, apparently! If more people celebrated their Englishness in wholesome ways, then people wouldn't automatically link the St George's flag with BNP, EDL and the like. Not all English flag wavers are racist, just look at Last Night of the Proms. There's nothing wrong with being proud of your national identity or culture, just don't let it slide into jingoism and ultra nationalism. Gbat " I got my little union jack out for QE2 little drive-by (gangsta granny) in my little area of London in 2012...didn't even know she knew it existed but along she came and waved. In my other country, politicians and heads of state never drive around the country waving at us. lol!...only at the election time...maybe...no they tell us to come to rallies..they never drive around. | |||
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"I do t have a bulldog or a George’s flag tattoo, but I live in England, and there are some* things I’m proud of this country for. Eg - they let me live here and haven’t tried to evict me yet
But, I think this week Scotland celebrated or remembered some dude called Burns and we all know how much the Irish enjoy St Guinness day.
But England doesn’t ever get a chance to celebrate what is a beuitiful country. It is gorgeous and green and hundreds of years of history. I don’t even know when our day is.
Are you patriotic?
I'm British. The Welsh,Scottish, English and Irish should all celebrate their history in my opinion "Not when in Living memory the English and the Irish have tried to and succeeded in killing each other for politics. Both sides are traumatized. | |||
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"I'm always surprised when people say they can't fly an English flag or it's racist to say they're English. Even saying they will get thrown in jail, apparently! If more people celebrated their Englishness in wholesome ways, then people wouldn't automatically link the St George's flag with BNP, EDL and the like. Not all English flag wavers are racist, just look at Last Night of the Proms. There's nothing wrong with being proud of your national identity or culture, just don't let it slide into jingoism and ultra nationalism. Gbat But. … but….but…. Other countries are encouraged to do it on one day. They literally put one day to one side, and have national holidays. Why do they and we don’t? We could have garden parties. "Most other countries do it for Revolution (Bastille Day) or Independence (from the British, Spanish, Portuguese Empires) day. England hasn't had a revolution or been invaded for a long time. | |||
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"I'm always surprised when people say they can't fly an English flag or it's racist to say they're English. Even saying they will get thrown in jail, apparently! If more people celebrated their Englishness in wholesome ways, then people wouldn't automatically link the St George's flag with BNP, EDL and the like. Not all English flag wavers are racist, just look at Last Night of the Proms. There's nothing wrong with being proud of your national identity or culture, just don't let it slide into jingoism and ultra nationalism. Gbat But. … but….but…. Other countries are encouraged to do it on one day. They literally put one day to one side, and have national holidays. Why do they and we don’t? We could have garden parties.
Most other countries do it for Revolution (Bastille Day) or Independence (from the British, Spanish, Portuguese Empires) day.
England hasn't had a revolution or been invaded for a long time."England could celebrate the day it became quasi-French by celebrating the Battle of Hastings on 14 October? I'm sure F&B would be happy to assist in a spot of light re-enactment. Who wants to be King Harold and to take one in the eye? | |||
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"But. … but….but…. Other countries are encouraged to do it on one day. They literally put one day to one side, and have national holidays. Why do they and we don’t? We could have garden parties.
Like I said, St George's Day is the day for you. It's just that most of you can't be arsed anymore.
Gbat "Facts: Most English people can't be arsed anymore to celebrate...plus the great English bureaucracy system ruins half of anything you try to put on and the great English weather finishes us off. Then we succumb to the great English complaints system. Please hold your call is important to us. Luckily swinging is an indoor activity. Lol! Everyone else has given up. | |||
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"But. … but….but…. Other countries are encouraged to do it on one day. They literally put one day to one side, and have national holidays. Why do they and we don’t? We could have garden parties.
Like I said, St George's Day is the day for you. It's just that most of you can't be arsed anymore.
Gbat
Facts: Most English people can't be arsed anymore to celebrate...plus the great English bureaucracy system ruins half of anything you try to put on and the great English weather finishes us off. Then we succumb to the great English complaints system. Please hold your call is important to us.
Luckily swinging is an indoor activity. Lol! Everyone else has given up.
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"I'm always surprised when people say they can't fly an English flag or it's racist to say they're English. Even saying they will get thrown in jail, apparently! If more people celebrated their Englishness in wholesome ways, then people wouldn't automatically link the St George's flag with BNP, EDL and the like. Not all English flag wavers are racist, just look at Last Night of the Proms. There's nothing wrong with being proud of your national identity or culture, just don't let it slide into jingoism and ultra nationalism. Gbat Flags here are personal statements. You usually have a American flag flying with others. It's strange to alot of foreigners. " Those of us from the Caribbean always fly both flags where ever we roam and we identify each other easily from the flags too especially at Carnivals around the world. I go to a soca/calypso club night every month and it's not uncommon to see someone with a London/British accent flying a Jamaican flag with another Caribbean nationality. So they have one parent that is Jamaican and maybe the other parent is from Dominica, Barbados, Trinidad. | |||
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"For its faults and we are constantly reminded of them, I believe in this country’s greatness. I’m very patriotic to the good people of this country, to its institutions less so. There’s a beating heart of honesty, transparency, inventiveness, open-mindedness that attracts many to live here. I’m proud of that and for the country I think it could be I would fight to protect it. Hades x" Yup! All of that along with nationally subsided college, uni and apprenticeships and free healthcare! (take notes USA) I wouldn't be alive if it were not for the English university system. I'm so relieved I went to uni in the East Midlands. Not super expensive like London and not restrictive like I found the American system. Educate your population and take care of your population's physical and mental health. Er presto a good workforce to drive the economy. Ah rocket science. | |||
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"Meh im irish. Its grand. Personally dont see the hoo haaa over paddys day" Need to go to St Paddy's day parade in NYC, USA.
I'm from the Caribbean and London's Notting Hill, Carnival is the biggest Carnival, I've ever been to. Some places just do it bigger..sometimes better.. Lol!
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"I don't know I think it kind of does celebrate itself in a very English way. What about king Charles coronation? Or village fetes or agricultural shows? The masses upon masses of people traipsing around manor houses, castles, where writers and poets lived and were inspired, to areas where the industrial revolution occured or walking along canals. I think the English do celebrate it's heritage and culture,it's just very reserved with a stiff upper lip. Until you ask someone what a roll is then it all becomes a bun fight. Bap fight. In the American south it's a muffin or a biscuit. Lord help us. I dunno even know what the Aussies called round-shaped hand-sized flour baked goods. now I want sausage biscuits and gravy "I grew up in the Caribbean with KFC biscuits....imagine my disappointment when nothing of the type was given to me in London..Just beans. yuk.. | |||
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"I don't know I think it kind of does celebrate itself in a very English way. What about king Charles coronation? Or village fetes or agricultural shows? The masses upon masses of people traipsing around manor houses, castles, where writers and poets lived and were inspired, to areas where the industrial revolution occured or walking along canals. I think the English do celebrate it's heritage and culture,it's just very reserved with a stiff upper lip. Until you ask someone what a roll is then it all becomes a bun fight. Bap fight. In the American south it's a muffin or a biscuit. Lord help us. I dunno even know what the Aussies called round-shaped hand-sized flour baked goods. now I want sausage biscuits and gravy
What are sausage biscuits?
Long live Britain day, whichever day that is (probably every day).
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"St George has no connection to England, or any part of the UK. From t'internet....... "Very little is known about George's life, but it is thought he was a Roman officer of Greek descent who was martyred in one of the pre-Constantinian persecutions. Historically, the countries of England, Ukraine, Ethiopia, and Georgia, as well as Catalonia and Aragon in Spain, and Moscow in Russia, have claimed George as their patron saint". If you're into celebrating ancient Christians for patriotic purposes it would make far more sense to celebrate St Hilda, who was actually from here. " . So now that we know St George is the patron Saint of more than just England how do we feel about sharing with the other countries as stated above. | |||
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"Until you ask someone what a roll is then it all becomes a bun fight. I see what you did there. Very clever!! Gbat" OK ok. Don't get a cob on  | |||
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"Lol what is weird you never see a traditional English restaurant or pubs here. " They have them in New England. Well Boston, MA. Anywhere Pilgrim-like. | |||
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"I do t have a bulldog or a George’s flag tattoo, but I live in England, and there are some* things I’m proud of this country for. Eg - they let me live here and haven’t tried to evict me yet
But, I think this week Scotland celebrated or remembered some dude called Burns and we all know how much the Irish enjoy St Guinness day.
But England doesn’t ever get a chance to celebrate what is a beuitiful country. It is gorgeous and green and hundreds of years of history. I don’t even know when our day is.
Are you patriotic? I'm English and proud i don’t celebrate St Georges day but i do love a lot of things about English heritage, its beaches and coastlines are amazing, its Capital city amazing, its history amazing, its roads, it is a great country oh and not to forget its national rugby and football teams "I dunno about the roads unless it's the roman roads...as for the footie...er...no comment. Rugby is for the Welsh. Best beaches are in Wales, Scotland, Ireland and Cornwall. I discovered that the Cornish don't consider themselves English. Lol!
Everything else yes. The history is amazing. The French, Germans and Russians had a lot of their history/historical artefacts destroyed by war and revolution. Mainly the English Abbeys were lost in the English Civil War but it was assimilated and preserved into the monarchy and royal houses that still stand under the National Trust. | |||
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"Im proud to be British Caribbean How are you British Caribbean? Your one or the other mate " Dual citizenship. | |||
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"But. … but….but…. Other countries are encouraged to do it on one day. They literally put one day to one side, and have national holidays. Why do they and we don’t? We could have garden parties.
Like I said, St George's Day is the day for you. It's just that most of you can't be arsed anymore.
Gbat
Facts: Most English people can't be arsed anymore to celebrate...plus the great English bureaucracy system ruins half of anything you try to put on and the great English weather finishes us off. Then we succumb to the great English complaints system. Please hold your call is important to us.
Luckily swinging is an indoor activity. Lol! Everyone else has given up.
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"We're meant to be proud of being British but we're not allowed to show it in any way not even a union jack or St George's flag. Imagine telling an American that there not allowed to fly there flag
These days you get thrown in jail for saying you’re English, these days.
Is this true? Can you show me evidence?
We stopped having St. George’s day as a national holiday back in 1707 apparently. (I’ve googled some stuff). Maybe it’s just to get the public to work some more!! Maybe.
Google ‘English these days Stewart Lee’"I feel like that will be traumatic for my neurodivergent brain so I shall decline respectfully. Someone else braver and more mentally stable want to give me the TT:DR? Too traumatic: didn't read. | |||
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"We're meant to be proud of being British but we're not allowed to show it in any way not even a union jack or St George's flag. Imagine telling an American that there not allowed to fly there flag
These days you get thrown in jail for saying you’re English, these days.
Is this true? Can you show me evidence?
We stopped having St. George’s day as a national holiday back in 1707 apparently. (I’ve googled some stuff). Maybe it’s just to get the public to work some more!! Maybe.
Google ‘English these days Stewart Lee’
I feel like that will be traumatic for my neurodivergent brain so I shall decline respectfully.
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"Why do you think less people celebrate their Englishness? Because no one likes the English. Maybe because in the past, the media have painted proud patriotic English people as racist. If your proud patriotic and English then surely your a skin head middle aged guy who drinks to much and has joined one of them right (or left) wing political groups BNP, EDL and so on. Never felt that way about patriotism...but I'm black, a dual citizen and a globalist... I attend family meeting telephone group with family members in 4 different countries. National politics bores the hell out of me and feels myopic. I understand it. I studied it but things like pandemics, global war, global climate collapse, global economic collapse, and universal international human rights hold my attention more. every country has good and bad points and that special gloriousness that makes them unique adn should be celebrated. I'll start tea.
I doff my cap to you.
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"…. In Wales, there are big festivals for St David’s day, lots of people wearing daffodils or a felt leek. We used to get a half day in school too. Why do you think less people celebrate their Englishness? Gbat Why did I forget about the Welsh?
I don’t know, I really do t get why it’s such a small thought for country that thinks it’s influence is world wide.
Um because historically the influence has been world wide.
I'm keeping bread pudding, tea, Parliament, English language, Christmas Goose and my A-levels in my travels. I grew up with that BBC beep on the World News radio. It was the only way we knew what was going on in the outside world because my parents only had one TV channel!
You can keep liver and onions, institutional racism, the BNP, Brexit and BoJo. That doesn't need to spread around the world.
Okay. But can someone take Ed Sheran? "Mate I think people will take Ed Sheeran before Bojo. Heck he can pretend to be Prince Harry in America! | |||
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"More embarrassed then proud to be honest" I don't have this problem. The Continental Europeans, Asians, Americas and Africans love me. Lol! Maybe because I'm black, female and attempt to speak their language. And I don't get d*unk and run around their town in my pants attempting to shag a lamp post.
In all fairness, I tend to go to remote places where they've never met a black person or a typical bad-behave English tourist so it's all good. It's a fair exchange, I behave myself, and they look after me and don't try to lynch me.
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"I do t have a bulldog or a George’s flag tattoo, but I live in England, and there are some* things I’m proud of this country for. Eg - they let me live here and haven’t tried to evict me yet
But, I think this week Scotland celebrated or remembered some dude called Burns and we all know how much the Irish enjoy St Guinness day.
But England doesn’t ever get a chance to celebrate what is a beuitiful country. It is gorgeous and green and hundreds of years of history. I don’t even know when our day is.
Are you patriotic? I'm English and proud i don’t celebrate St Georges day but i do love a lot of things about English heritage, its beaches and coastlines are amazing, its Capital city amazing, its history amazing, its roads, it is a great country oh and not to forget its national rugby and football teams
I dunno about the roads unless it's the roman roads...as for the footie...er...no comment.
Rugby is for the Welsh.
Best beaches are in Wales, Scotland, Ireland and Cornwall. I discovered that the Cornish don't consider themselves English. Lol!
Everything else yes. The history is amazing. The French, Germans and Russians had a lot of their history/historical artefacts destroyed by war and revolution. Mainly the English Abbeys were lost in the English Civil War but it was assimilated and preserved into the monarchy and royal houses that still stand under the National Trust."The Rugby is English Twickenham cmon and the best beaches are in dorset, somerset, devon and Cornwall, as for the cornwallians of course they are English | |||
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"We're meant to be proud of being British but we're not allowed to show it in any way not even a union jack or St George's flag. Imagine telling an American that there not allowed to fly there flag
These days you get thrown in jail for saying you’re English, these days.
Is this true? Can you show me evidence?
We stopped having St. George’s day as a national holiday back in 1707 apparently. (I’ve googled some stuff). Maybe it’s just to get the public to work some more!! Maybe.
Google ‘English these days Stewart Lee’
I feel like that will be traumatic for my neurodivergent brain so I shall decline respectfully.
Someone else braver and more mentally stable want to give me the TT:DR? Too traumatic: didn't read. "Stewart Lee did a routine about a taxi driver saying that you get arrested for saying you’re English, then slowly admitting that wasn’t the case at all. | |||
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"I am tempted to post something I just posted in the "Harry" thread! I think Shakespeare says it perfectly in Henry V, when its the dawn before battle and he is preparing his troops for the battle of Agincourt. Your point?" Sir I though you would know this being older than me. Then again into everyone is a history geek like me. Shakespeare world renowned English Bard wrote a play based on the real life historical battle of the English against the French at Agincourt. That speech is the Equivalent of the King shouting "For Eng-guh-lunnnd" Mate, I didn't even do primary and secondary school here and I know that. One of the most famous battles in English History. I'm such a geek. | |||
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"I jumped ship! I'm now living "frog side". Them lot take more days off than Santa. A reasonably patriot bunch with a penchant for "it's not going my way so fuck it, I'm going home". The UK didn't conform to my high standards. " Mate if I couldn't retire/didn't have to move for elderly parents to the Caribbean, I'd be in the south of France or Corse. The lifestyle is very similar. It would be Sicily but I'm too scared of Costa Nostra. Lol! and my Italian/Sicilian is below basic. I have a working, reading & listening knowledge of French. Caribbean people kind of strike a lot but it's more quiet quitting. Like "who else you are going to hire, we live on a tiny island and I'm the only decent person who want to do this job or knows how to do this job. I'm off to the rum shop for 2 hours. See you next week" | |||
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"We're meant to be proud of being British but we're not allowed to show it in any way not even a union jack or St George's flag. Imagine telling an American that there not allowed to fly there flag
These days you get thrown in jail for saying you’re English, these days.
Is this true? Can you show me evidence?
We stopped having St. George’s day as a national holiday back in 1707 apparently. (I’ve googled some stuff). Maybe it’s just to get the public to work some more!! Maybe.
Google ‘English these days Stewart Lee’
I feel like that will be traumatic for my neurodivergent brain so I shall decline respectfully.
Someone else braver and more mentally stable want to give me the TT:DR? Too traumatic: didn't read.
Try living in the real world "How very rude | |||
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"We're meant to be proud of being British but we're not allowed to show it in any way not even a union jack or St George's flag. Imagine telling an American that there not allowed to fly there flag
These days you get thrown in jail for saying you’re English, these days.
Is this true? Can you show me evidence?
We stopped having St. George’s day as a national holiday back in 1707 apparently. (I’ve googled some stuff). Maybe it’s just to get the public to work some more!! Maybe.
Google ‘English these days Stewart Lee’
I feel like that will be traumatic for my neurodivergent brain so I shall decline respectfully.
Someone else braver and more mentally stable want to give me the TT:DR? Too traumatic: didn't read.
Try living in the real world
How very rude "What's rude about it | |||
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"We're meant to be proud of being British but we're not allowed to show it in any way not even a union jack or St George's flag. Imagine telling an American that there not allowed to fly there flag Yes them are fighting words
I will fight over tea.
I am decidedly British when it comes to tea. I was calmly minding my own business on holiday with the American Fam and they tried to give me American "tea" for BREAKFAST.......I swear I had a rage attack.
Luckily I didn't go down to the Harbour and tip the whole lot in. Yes, I was in Boston, Massachusetts. I'm taking my own teabags next time.
I'm British and not a morning person...woe betides the person who trifles with me before I've had a cup of STRONG ENGLISH BREAKFAST TEA WITH MILK AND SUGAR/sweetener.
One poor young lad from the Baltic countries tried to get me to stop drinking my tea at work before 7am because my shift started at 6.15 am. Luckily his parents didn't have to ship his body back via the Baltic from the look I gave him. He never mentioned it again.
One Tanzanian lad tried to give me Chai for BREAKFAST...he had a chai-coloured carpet after.
Boston is famous for its tea...... I don't drink tea or see the fascination with it but i am English and proud to be English although i have a French name "Clearly, my relatives ( aka sibling) in America never got the memo...Boston is famous for throwing the tea in the harbour..not drinking it. Lol!
And that my friends is how Americans switched from tea to coffee and coca cola. Lol! They threw all the decent tea in the harbour after getting fed up with the British/English taxes on tea from bloody India.
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"But. … but….but…. Other countries are encouraged to do it on one day. They literally put one day to one side, and have national holidays. Why do they and we don’t? We could have garden parties.
Like I said, St George's Day is the day for you. It's just that most of you can't be arsed anymore.
Gbat
Facts: Most English people can't be arsed anymore to celebrate...plus the great English bureaucracy system ruins half of anything you try to put on and the great English weather finishes us off. Then we succumb to the great English complaints system. Please hold your call is important to us.
Luckily swinging is an indoor activity. Lol! Everyone else has given up.
Easy solutions. Have a big indoor queue to celebrate St George's Day AND the English national sport!"We have that in the swingers clubs...it's a fucking conga-line. Next! | |||
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"We're meant to be proud of being British but we're not allowed to show it in any way not even a union jack or St George's flag. Imagine telling an American that there not allowed to fly there flag
These days you get thrown in jail for saying you’re English, these days.
Is this true? Can you show me evidence?
We stopped having St. George’s day as a national holiday back in 1707 apparently. (I’ve googled some stuff). Maybe it’s just to get the public to work some more!! Maybe.
Google ‘English these days Stewart Lee’
I feel like that will be traumatic for my neurodivergent brain so I shall decline respectfully.
Someone else braver and more mentally stable want to give me the TT:DR? Too traumatic: didn't read.
Try living in the real world
How very rude
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" It's almost like we can't as English declare or claim any national fervour. Which is not right " I just don't get this sentiment. WHY do you think it's almost as if you can't claim any national fervour? Where does that sentiment come from? Who has frowned on you being proudly English? Personally I think this is a myth. Gbat | |||
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"We're meant to be proud of being British but we're not allowed to show it in any way not even a union jack or St George's flag. Imagine telling an American that there not allowed to fly there flag
These days you get thrown in jail for saying you’re English, these days.
Is this true? Can you show me evidence?
We stopped having St. George’s day as a national holiday back in 1707 apparently. (I’ve googled some stuff). Maybe it’s just to get the public to work some more!! Maybe.
Google ‘English these days Stewart Lee’
I feel like that will be traumatic for my neurodivergent brain so I shall decline respectfully.
Someone else braver and more mentally stable want to give me the TT:DR? Too traumatic: didn't read.
Try living in the real world "Nope. No thanks. My Neurodivergent brain doesn't like the real world so it pretends that the real world doesn't exist to cope. About half of us on Fab are here to escape something from or are here because we don't fit in the "real" world. | |||
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