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"I might be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure it's so they can pay you for the work you've done, rather than the work you might do "
I work all week in hand ..pay me on a Friday ? Isnt that the same principle ? |
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There’s a cut off period for wages so you’re only paid for the work you’ve actually done. If you were paid for any you hadn’t done yet, you could do a moonlight flit |
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"I might be wrong here, but I'm pretty sure it's so they can pay you for the work you've done, rather than the work you might do
I work all week in hand ..pay me on a Friday ? Isnt that the same principle ? "
Cut off was probably the Friday before, you started on the Monday.
That’s how it’s been in every place I’ve worked |
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"There’s a cut off period for wages so you’re only paid for the work you’ve actually done. If you were paid for any you hadn’t done yet, you could do a moonlight flit "
I understand that ..but iv worked all week and completed the relevant work . what's to stop the boss doing a moonlight flit ? |
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"I thought a week in hand was when you got paid one weeks wages at the end of your second week. The week you worked 'in hand' is paid to you when you leave. I could well be wrong though"
I'm self employed and most of my jobs finish within a week or two . It's just a pretty shit thing I think . In a day an age where most of the population lives hand to mouth and few have savings . It's a difficult thing to impose upon somebody . I'm lucky, I haven't got any dependants but if I had kids or pets or family to care for, I'd be fucked because of weeks in hand ! |
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"There’s a cut off period for wages so you’re only paid for the work you’ve actually done. If you were paid for any you hadn’t done yet, you could do a moonlight flit
I understand that ..but iv worked all week and completed the relevant work . what's to stop the boss doing a moonlight flit ? "
Exactly.
You work, you should get paid.
It’s just accepted that employers can do this and it’s total nonsense.
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"When u leave u get two weeks wages look at it that way ,
If you don’t leave you have lent your boss a week’s wages for your whole life.
Look at it that way."
Never looked at it like that
Imagine how much a huge company (like Vodafone for example) makes off the interest off their staffs wages .. |
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"There’s a cut off period for wages so you’re only paid for the work you’ve actually done. If you were paid for any you hadn’t done yet, you could do a moonlight flit
I understand that ..but iv worked all week and completed the relevant work . what's to stop the boss doing a moonlight flit ? "
You realise that if you are paid into your bank account on Friday, the payments normally need to be submitted by Wednesday (at least in case of most companies). If you leave and your employer underpays you, take them to the employment tribunal
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"I thought a week in hand was when you got paid one weeks wages at the end of your second week. The week you worked 'in hand' is paid to you when you leave. I could well be wrong though
I'm self employed and most of my jobs finish within a week or two . It's just a pretty shit thing I think . In a day an age where most of the population lives hand to mouth and few have savings . It's a difficult thing to impose upon somebody . I'm lucky, I haven't got any dependants but if I had kids or pets or family to care for, I'd be fucked because of weeks in hand ! "
Pretty much. Hundreds of years ago when employers were changing from weekly pay by cash in wage packets to monthly pay via bank transfer they told us they would 'lend' us money to tide us over the first difficult month. I was not popular when I refused and told them that lending me my own money and making appear they were doing me a favour was not the way to persuade me to fall in line. |
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"There’s a cut off period for wages so you’re only paid for the work you’ve actually done. If you were paid for any you hadn’t done yet, you could do a moonlight flit
I understand that ..but iv worked all week and completed the relevant work . what's to stop the boss doing a moonlight flit ?
You realise that if you are paid into your bank account on Friday, the payments normally need to be submitted by Wednesday (at least in case of most companies). If you leave and your employer underpays you, take them to the employment tribunal
K"
It's not underpaying me and very few have failed to pay me altogether ..but it's just about the inconvenience of it .. and the legality of it . Provide a service and you should be paid upon completion . We live in 2023 .. bank transfers take split seconds now adays there's no valid excuse about payroll taking ex amount of working days..that's no longer an issue is it ? |
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"When u leave u get two weeks wages look at it that way ,
If you don’t leave you have lent your boss a week’s wages for your whole life.
Look at it that way."
That's BS, even if you die the money would be sent to your account
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"When u leave u get two weeks wages look at it that way ,
If you don’t leave you have lent your boss a week’s wages for your whole life.
Look at it that way.
That's BS, even if you die the money would be sent to your account
K"
Would they forward the interest it's accumulated too? |
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"When u leave u get two weeks wages look at it that way ,
If you don’t leave you have lent your boss a week’s wages for your whole life.
Look at it that way.
That's BS, even if you die the money would be sent to your account
K"
I’m sure I’ll enjoy spending it from my wooden box… buy the worms a round of fucking baby Guinness!
There is absolutely no justification to an employer forcing employees to work a week in hand. |
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"Is there any logical reason for working a week in hand? or am I right in assuming it's just because bosses are all nobheads . ? "
Maybe some employees are nobheads that’s why they keep them a week in hand  |
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"Is there any logical reason for working a week in hand? or am I right in assuming it's just because bosses are all nobheads . ? "
they like to keep something so that if you make a mistake you pay for it  |
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"I thought a week in hand was when you got paid one weeks wages at the end of your second week. The week you worked 'in hand' is paid to you when you leave. I could well be wrong though
I'm self employed and most of my jobs finish within a week or two . It's just a pretty shit thing I think . In a day an age where most of the population lives hand to mouth and few have savings . It's a difficult thing to impose upon somebody . I'm lucky, I haven't got any dependants but if I had kids or pets or family to care for, I'd be fucked because of weeks in hand !
Pretty much. Hundreds of years ago when employers were changing from weekly pay by cash in wage packets to monthly pay via bank transfer they told us they would 'lend' us money to tide us over the first difficult month. I was not popular when I refused and told them that lending me my own money and making appear they were doing me a favour was not the way to persuade me to fall in line. "
 hundreds of years ago they switched to bank transfers ?
I get your point and that's a damn cheek offering to lend you your own money..if they can afford to lend you. They can afford to pay you . It's an absolute joke .I'd love to be politically savvy and be able raise a stink about it ..week in hands should be banned ! Even the benefit system gets people paid quicker ! They can ask for an immediate advance I wish I could |
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It’s a week In arrears. I week in hand is when your paid before a full week is complete. An employer needs to process tax in etc and banks work to certain deadlines hence a large percentage work a week in arrears |
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"There’s a cut off period for wages so you’re only paid for the work you’ve actually done. If you were paid for any you hadn’t done yet, you could do a moonlight flit
I understand that ..but iv worked all week and completed the relevant work . what's to stop the boss doing a moonlight flit ?
You realise that if you are paid into your bank account on Friday, the payments normally need to be submitted by Wednesday (at least in case of most companies). If you leave and your employer underpays you, take them to the employment tribunal
K
It's not underpaying me and very few have failed to pay me altogether ..but it's just about the inconvenience of it .. and the legality of it . Provide a service and you should be paid upon completion . We live in 2023 .. bank transfers take split seconds now adays there's no valid excuse about payroll taking ex amount of working days..that's no longer an issue is it ?"
Business bank transfers don't take split seconds. You can make express payments if there are last minute amendments, but generally you need to set up payment 1 or 2 days prior to payday.
As someone who looks after about 70 payrolls every month (weekly, fortnightly, 4weekly and monthly payrolls) there is no way I would be able to process all of them on the same day.
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If Royal Mail can pay every one of their employees without using the week in hand then I’m unconvinced that any other organisation can’t.
Perhaps it’s because their employees have a very strong union who don’t take it up the arse from them…
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"Is there any logical reason for working a week in hand? or am I right in assuming it's just because bosses are all nobheads . ? they like to keep something so that if you make a mistake you pay for it "
If I make mistakes in my field of work ... I wouldn't get paid at all the damages would easily surpass my wages . They've had four days (Mon to Thursday) to check and test my work..there's no excuse not to pay me once they're satisfied with the result yet they say " week in hand" |
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"When u leave u get two weeks wages look at it that way ,
If you don’t leave you have lent your boss a week’s wages for your whole life.
Look at it that way.
That's BS, even if you die the money would be sent to your account
K
Would they forward the interest it's accumulated too?"
Yes they would pay for all hours worked plus any accrued and unused holiday
K |
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"There’s a cut off period for wages so you’re only paid for the work you’ve actually done. If you were paid for any you hadn’t done yet, you could do a moonlight flit
I understand that ..but iv worked all week and completed the relevant work . what's to stop the boss doing a moonlight flit ?
You realise that if you are paid into your bank account on Friday, the payments normally need to be submitted by Wednesday (at least in case of most companies). If you leave and your employer underpays you, take them to the employment tribunal
K
It's not underpaying me and very few have failed to pay me altogether ..but it's just about the inconvenience of it .. and the legality of it . Provide a service and you should be paid upon completion . We live in 2023 .. bank transfers take split seconds now adays there's no valid excuse about payroll taking ex amount of working days..that's no longer an issue is it ?
Business bank transfers don't take split seconds. You can make express payments if there are last minute amendments, but generally you need to set up payment 1 or 2 days prior to payday.
As someone who looks after about 70 payrolls every month (weekly, fortnightly, 4weekly and monthly payrolls) there is no way I would be able to process all of them on the same day.
K"
Granted if I was a big company or I had multiple staff .but I'm a self employed sole trader. I don't even have a business account |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
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"There’s a cut off period for wages so you’re only paid for the work you’ve actually done. If you were paid for any you hadn’t done yet, you could do a moonlight flit
I understand that ..but iv worked all week and completed the relevant work . what's to stop the boss doing a moonlight flit ?
You realise that if you are paid into your bank account on Friday, the payments normally need to be submitted by Wednesday (at least in case of most companies). If you leave and your employer underpays you, take them to the employment tribunal
K
It's not underpaying me and very few have failed to pay me altogether ..but it's just about the inconvenience of it .. and the legality of it . Provide a service and you should be paid upon completion . We live in 2023 .. bank transfers take split seconds now adays there's no valid excuse about payroll taking ex amount of working days..that's no longer an issue is it ?
Business bank transfers don't take split seconds. You can make express payments if there are last minute amendments, but generally you need to set up payment 1 or 2 days prior to payday.
As someone who looks after about 70 payrolls every month (weekly, fortnightly, 4weekly and monthly payrolls) there is no way I would be able to process all of them on the same day.
K
Granted if I was a big company or I had multiple staff .but I'm a self employed sole trader. I don't even have a business account "
Don't you have to submit an invoice? |
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By *ad NannaWoman
over a year ago
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"There’s a cut off period for wages so you’re only paid for the work you’ve actually done. If you were paid for any you hadn’t done yet, you could do a moonlight flit
I understand that ..but iv worked all week and completed the relevant work . what's to stop the boss doing a moonlight flit ?
You realise that if you are paid into your bank account on Friday, the payments normally need to be submitted by Wednesday (at least in case of most companies). If you leave and your employer underpays you, take them to the employment tribunal
K
It's not underpaying me and very few have failed to pay me altogether ..but it's just about the inconvenience of it .. and the legality of it . Provide a service and you should be paid upon completion . We live in 2023 .. bank transfers take split seconds now adays there's no valid excuse about payroll taking ex amount of working days..that's no longer an issue is it ?
Business bank transfers don't take split seconds. You can make express payments if there are last minute amendments, but generally you need to set up payment 1 or 2 days prior to payday.
As someone who looks after about 70 payrolls every month (weekly, fortnightly, 4weekly and monthly payrolls) there is no way I would be able to process all of them on the same day.
K
Granted if I was a big company or I had multiple staff .but I'm a self employed sole trader. I don't even have a business account
Don't you have to submit an invoice?"
Or a day sheet? |
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"Is there any logical reason for working a week in hand? or am I right in assuming it's just because bosses are all nobheads . ? they like to keep something so that if you make a mistake you pay for it
If I make mistakes in my field of work ... I wouldn't get paid at all the damages would easily surpass my wages . They've had four days (Mon to Thursday) to check and test my work..there's no excuse not to pay me once they're satisfied with the result yet they say " week in hand""
exactly some companies make you wait a month |
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"When u leave u get two weeks wages look at it that way ,
If you don’t leave you have lent your boss a week’s wages for your whole life.
Look at it that way.
That's BS, even if you die the money would be sent to your account
K
Would they forward the interest it's accumulated too?
Yes they would pay for all hours worked plus any accrued and unused holiday
K"
Imagine a company has 10 thousand staff. each staff member earns 2 thousand pound a month ..the company operates a policy of paying a week in arrears ( sometimes even longer )
Now I'm no financial expert ..but the interest on that sort of money would be astronomical
Makes logical sense for the company to sit on it and accrue the interest |
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By *N4funCouple
over a year ago
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"I thought a week in hand was when you got paid one weeks wages at the end of your second week. The week you worked 'in hand' is paid to you when you leave. I could well be wrong though
I'm self employed and most of my jobs finish within a week or two . It's just a pretty shit thing I think . In a day an age where most of the population lives hand to mouth and few have savings . It's a difficult thing to impose upon somebody . I'm lucky, I haven't got any dependants but if I had kids or pets or family to care for, I'd be fucked because of weeks in hand ! "
I've had agency sparkies, they bring in their time sheets on Monday, sign and send in. The agency pay on the Friday, never had any issue with the lads or agency because its regular work for them
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Perhaps we should switch to paying people literally by the hour? At every hour, on the hour, someone comes along and stuffs cash into your back pocket (or knickers, because women don't have pockets), commensurate with your hourly rate? Sounds good to me |
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By *orny PTMan
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If you work 5 days and get paid on day five, what's to say you will turn up on day 1,2,3,4 & 5 of the following week.
That's what I got told. It's a carrot and stick thing: not sure how true it is. |
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"There’s a cut off period for wages so you’re only paid for the work you’ve actually done. If you were paid for any you hadn’t done yet, you could do a moonlight flit
I understand that ..but iv worked all week and completed the relevant work . what's to stop the boss doing a moonlight flit ?
You realise that if you are paid into your bank account on Friday, the payments normally need to be submitted by Wednesday (at least in case of most companies). If you leave and your employer underpays you, take them to the employment tribunal
K
It's not underpaying me and very few have failed to pay me altogether ..but it's just about the inconvenience of it .. and the legality of it . Provide a service and you should be paid upon completion . We live in 2023 .. bank transfers take split seconds now adays there's no valid excuse about payroll taking ex amount of working days..that's no longer an issue is it ?
Business bank transfers don't take split seconds. You can make express payments if there are last minute amendments, but generally you need to set up payment 1 or 2 days prior to payday.
As someone who looks after about 70 payrolls every month (weekly, fortnightly, 4weekly and monthly payrolls) there is no way I would be able to process all of them on the same day.
K
Granted if I was a big company or I had multiple staff .but I'm a self employed sole trader. I don't even have a business account
Don't you have to submit an invoice?"
In April when I do my tax returns.
I have a set hourly rate which is agreed upon in a written contract prior to undertaking any work
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"Perhaps we should switch to paying people literally by the hour? At every hour, on the hour, someone comes along and stuffs cash into your back pocket (or knickers, because women don't have pockets), commensurate with your hourly rate? Sounds good to me "
I’m happy to put another fifty pence in your meter as often as it takes  |
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"Perhaps we should switch to paying people literally by the hour? At every hour, on the hour, someone comes along and stuffs cash into your back pocket (or knickers, because women don't have pockets), commensurate with your hourly rate? Sounds good to me
I’m happy to put another fifty pence in your meter as often as it takes "
You can't afford me, sweetie   |
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"If you work 5 days and get paid on day five, what's to say you will turn up on day 1,2,3,4 & 5 of the following week.
That's what I got told. It's a carrot and stick thing: not sure how true it is."
So witholding my own money to coerce me back to work ? Surely that can't be legal ..? |
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"Perhaps we should switch to paying people literally by the hour? At every hour, on the hour, someone comes along and stuffs cash into your back pocket (or knickers, because women don't have pockets), commensurate with your hourly rate? Sounds good to me
I’m happy to put another fifty pence in your meter as often as it takes
You can't afford me, sweetie "
I’ve developed expensive taste’s lately.
Now show me the slot and I’ll show you the money  |
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"Perhaps we should switch to paying people literally by the hour? At every hour, on the hour, someone comes along and stuffs cash into your back pocket (or knickers, because women don't have pockets), commensurate with your hourly rate? Sounds good to me
I’m happy to put another fifty pence in your meter as often as it takes
You can't afford me, sweetie
I’ve developed expensive taste’s lately.
Now show me the slot and I’ll show you the money "
Show her the money a week after she shows you the slot !
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"Perhaps we should switch to paying people literally by the hour? At every hour, on the hour, someone comes along and stuffs cash into your back pocket (or knickers, because women don't have pockets), commensurate with your hourly rate? Sounds good to me
I’m happy to put another fifty pence in your meter as often as it takes
You can't afford me, sweetie
I’ve developed expensive taste’s lately.
Now show me the slot and I’ll show you the money "
I accept fifties, but only the paper type |
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