Costs lives and ruins others.
Another example of people or process or system failure.
A man who has 69 offences and 28 Convictions is released on probation.
Now I can't imagine the role of a probation officer is easy. Helping the occasional one turn their life around must be very satisfying but the bulk of dealing with the dregs of society must be incredibly hard.
But it wasn't just them.. The courts didn't get the right paperwork, they didn't have an address, they didn't attach a tag, they recalled him but delayed the process.
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"America has the right idea...3 strikes and it's life without parole  "
Yeah cos that's never been abused by some in power has it?
America does have some great ideas public policy wise but the one you refer to isn't one of them for all levels of crime..
On the Ops point I wonder what the caseloads of the various people involved in such things going wrong is..
I would say that the individual in question shouldn't have been on the streets at the time he carried out his vile crimes but it's a much bigger issue than one agency's faults..
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"America has the right idea...3 strikes and it's life without parole "
Possibly, but I'm not sure that's the only relevant issue. Whatever rules you have, you have to have people processes and systems that can confidently be trusted to administer them with a very very low error rate. If you read this chap what on earth he was doing out beggars belief. |
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"America has the right idea...3 strikes and it's life without parole
Yeah cos that's never been abused by some in power has it?
America does have some great ideas public policy wise but the one you refer to isn't one of them for all levels of crime..
On the Ops point I wonder what the caseloads of the various people involved in such things going wrong is..
I would say that the individual in question shouldn't have been on the streets at the time he carried out his vile crimes but it's a much bigger issue than one agency's faults..
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Every system in the world has it's good and bad points and every system no matter how tough they maintain and monitor them will be abused by people in power which is not the systems fault but the individual abusing them, the world is a unfair place and for the most people in the system their there cause they should be and for people who aren't in the system and are law abiding all they can do is try to make it through life without any dire consequences |
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"America has the right idea...3 strikes and it's life without parole "
They also have the largest prison population in the world.
But their prison system is funded and managed in an entirely different way.
We haven't got the capacity to keep people locked up.
I wish we did |
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The USA and our justice systems are not the only game in town, there are other models with a far greater successful record of reducing reoffending but they cost more to run..
And whilst there are some very bad people regardless of whichever system who's best place for the good of a society is behind bars there's the cost of a revolving door system that doesn't work..
Both financially and the impact on society.. |
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"The USA and our justice systems are not the only game in town, there are other models with a far greater successful record of reducing reoffending but they cost more to run..
And whilst there are some very bad people regardless of whichever system who's best place for the good of a society is behind bars there's the cost of a revolving door system that doesn't work..
Both financially and the impact on society.."
Lets not forget the very specific and very real case. Of this young lady brutally assaulted and murdered and her family and friends impacted forever by this criminal.
They were failed by the entire chain by the sounds of it from police to courts to sentencing to parole to prison. And whilst only reading what's in the public eye, it sounds more to do with incompetence than anything else. To be murdered 2 days after his recall because they didn't have an address for him is cruel. |
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"The USA and our justice systems are not the only game in town, there are other models with a far greater successful record of reducing reoffending but they cost more to run..
And whilst there are some very bad people regardless of whichever system who's best place for the good of a society is behind bars there's the cost of a revolving door system that doesn't work..
Both financially and the impact on society..
Lets not forget the very specific and very real case. Of this young lady brutally assaulted and murdered and her family and friends impacted forever by this criminal.
They were failed by the entire chain by the sounds of it from police to courts to sentencing to parole to prison. And whilst only reading what's in the public eye, it sounds more to do with incompetence than anything else. To be murdered 2 days after his recall because they didn't have an address for him is cruel. "
His actions are unforgivable, yes there were mistakes but one thing that struck me was that one of the probation staffs workload was 50% over what is acceptable..
If we don't factor in the cuts to services which lead to unsafe outcomes then we miss a very important factor..
A pilot or lorry driver can't operate safely and is rightly restricted by law from working in such a manner, if it's correct for them then it should also be for many of the other roles in society.. |
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"The USA and our justice systems are not the only game in town, there are other models with a far greater successful record of reducing reoffending but they cost more to run..
And whilst there are some very bad people regardless of whichever system who's best place for the good of a society is behind bars there's the cost of a revolving door system that doesn't work..
Both financially and the impact on society..
Lets not forget the very specific and very real case. Of this young lady brutally assaulted and murdered and her family and friends impacted forever by this criminal.
They were failed by the entire chain by the sounds of it from police to courts to sentencing to parole to prison. And whilst only reading what's in the public eye, it sounds more to do with incompetence than anything else. To be murdered 2 days after his recall because they didn't have an address for him is cruel.
His actions are unforgivable, yes there were mistakes but one thing that struck me was that one of the probation staffs workload was 50% over what is acceptable..
If we don't factor in the cuts to services which lead to unsafe outcomes then we miss a very important factor..
A pilot or lorry driver can't operate safely and is rightly restricted by law from working in such a manner, if it's correct for them then it should also be for many of the other roles in society.."
Of course. But not every incompetence is down to workload. Sometimes it's just incompetence. |
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over a year ago
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"The USA and our justice systems are not the only game in town, there are other models with a far greater successful record of reducing reoffending but they cost more to run..
And whilst there are some very bad people regardless of whichever system who's best place for the good of a society is behind bars there's the cost of a revolving door system that doesn't work..
Both financially and the impact on society..
Lets not forget the very specific and very real case. Of this young lady brutally assaulted and murdered and her family and friends impacted forever by this criminal.
They were failed by the entire chain by the sounds of it from police to courts to sentencing to parole to prison. And whilst only reading what's in the public eye, it sounds more to do with incompetence than anything else. To be murdered 2 days after his recall because they didn't have an address for him is cruel.
His actions are unforgivable, yes there were mistakes but one thing that struck me was that one of the probation staffs workload was 50% over what is acceptable..
If we don't factor in the cuts to services which lead to unsafe outcomes then we miss a very important factor..
A pilot or lorry driver can't operate safely and is rightly restricted by law from working in such a manner, if it's correct for them then it should also be for many of the other roles in society.."
was reported today that the probations service only had contact with him nine days before his hearing due to their workload caused by failing Graylings disastrous partial privatization and cuts .see breveman is now promising to recruit "thousands " of new probation officers wonder how quickly that will get quietly get dropped |
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"America has the right idea...3 strikes and it's life without parole
Yeah cos that's never been abused by some in power has it?
America does have some great ideas public policy wise but the one you refer to isn't one of them for all levels of crime..
On the Ops point I wonder what the caseloads of the various people involved in such things going wrong is..
I would say that the individual in question shouldn't have been on the streets at the time he carried out his vile crimes but it's a much bigger issue than one agency's faults..
Every system in the world has it's good and bad points and every system no matter how tough they maintain and monitor them will be abused by people in power which is not the systems fault but the individual abusing them, the world is a unfair place and for the most people in the system their there cause they should be and for people who aren't in the system and are law abiding all they can do is try to make it through life without any dire consequences "
No crime here. People sacrifice a little liberty maybe but feel very safe and protected and have very high standards of living. |
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"The USA and our justice systems are not the only game in town, there are other models with a far greater successful record of reducing reoffending but they cost more to run..
And whilst there are some very bad people regardless of whichever system who's best place for the good of a society is behind bars there's the cost of a revolving door system that doesn't work..
Both financially and the impact on society..
Lets not forget the very specific and very real case. Of this young lady brutally assaulted and murdered and her family and friends impacted forever by this criminal.
They were failed by the entire chain by the sounds of it from police to courts to sentencing to parole to prison. And whilst only reading what's in the public eye, it sounds more to do with incompetence than anything else. To be murdered 2 days after his recall because they didn't have an address for him is cruel.
His actions are unforgivable, yes there were mistakes but one thing that struck me was that one of the probation staffs workload was 50% over what is acceptable..
If we don't factor in the cuts to services which lead to unsafe outcomes then we miss a very important factor..
A pilot or lorry driver can't operate safely and is rightly restricted by law from working in such a manner, if it's correct for them then it should also be for many of the other roles in society..was reported today that the probations service only had contact with him nine days before his hearing due to their workload caused by failing Graylings disastrous partial privatization and cuts .see breveman is now promising to recruit "thousands " of new probation officers wonder how quickly that will get quietly get dropped "
Amazing they had any contact given they didn't have an address for him. |
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