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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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I just heard about it, but dont know so much about it, do you? Apparently they fired the everton manager after the defeat by west ham, is it just down to that or is there something more to it? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nope he was a shite manager ( Mr) I see yes, so not that good manager."
( Mr) personally I never rated him , maybe a lower league manager to start with to gain experience |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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"Everton are second from bottom in the premier league, and only not last due to goal difference.
FL has been manager for just under a year and they continue to struggle."
I see yes, they arent so high in the league table either. |
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"I just heard about it, but dont know so much about it, do you? Apparently they fired the everton manager after the defeat by west ham, is it just down to that or is there something more to it?"
Yeah it's just because of the West Ham game. Nothing to do with all the other defeats including 4 on the bounce at home and the fact they are almost bottom of the table. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"Nope he was a shite manager ( Mr) "
Play off Final with Derby.
Top four and Cup Final with Chelsea despite transfer ban.
Kept Everton up last season.
Then had his best player sold and net spend of just £10m.
Good man and a decent manager at a basket case of a club. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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The problem at Everton is not the manager. It's the transfer strategy and the way the club is run.
They only stayed up last season because of Richardson's goals, so what did they do in the summer? They sold him. Because they had to, otherwise they'd have failed Financial Fair Play and been find and docked points. And they replaced him with a striker who has a consistent history of not scoring very many. Whoever made that decision, be it the board or the recruitment team, needs to look in the mirror very carefully.
A few years ago they bought 4 attacking midfielders in the same summer transfer window, all of who played in the same position; none of them are still at the club now. 18 months ago they signed a couple of free transfers and that's it.
Lampard isn't the greatest manager in the world....but the problems at that club go way deeper than just the manager |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"hes bad but the people higher up are as bad talk of rooney taking over "
To be fair to Rooney, in his first season he kept Derby up despite making no signings and having no money to spend on players. In his second season, he very nearly kept them up again even after having 20-odd points deducted.
He knows the club inside out and has a track record of getting the best out of less talented players without spending money. They could do a lot worse than get him on board |
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"hes bad but the people higher up are as bad talk of rooney taking over
To be fair to Rooney, in his first season he kept Derby up despite making no signings and having no money to spend on players. In his second season, he very nearly kept them up again even after having 20-odd points deducted.
He knows the club inside out and has a track record of getting the best out of less talented players without spending money. They could do a lot worse than get him on board "
Fair points. Is Duncan Ferguson still at the club? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Big Frank and Stevie G. One should have stayed at Derby to get experience in the toughest league in the world. The other should have stayed at Rangers to earn and learn managing a big club in a poor league, where he could make mistakes.
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By (user no longer on site)
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"hes bad but the people higher up are as bad talk of rooney taking over
To be fair to Rooney, in his first season he kept Derby up despite making no signings and having no money to spend on players. In his second season, he very nearly kept them up again even after having 20-odd points deducted.
He knows the club inside out and has a track record of getting the best out of less talented players without spending money. They could do a lot worse than get him on board
Fair points. Is Duncan Ferguson still at the club?"
No, he left last summer |
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By *amantMan
over a year ago
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He was dealt a dreadful hand, which he played poorly. Baffling decision to leave it this late,a week to go in January and on top of that, the profiles of the managers being linked couldn't be more different. Better managers available but there are a lot of players in that squad that aren't up to it, worse there's serious discontent in the squad. If anyone pulls this around, they'll be up for manager of the season. |
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"He was dealt a dreadful hand, which he played poorly. Baffling decision to leave it this late,a week to go in January and on top of that, the profiles of the managers being linked couldn't be more different. Better managers available but there are a lot of players in that squad that aren't up to it, worse there's serious discontent in the squad. If anyone pulls this around, they'll be up for manager of the season. "
I had them to go down at the start of the season. The club stinks at the moment. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I’m assuming as you don’t know much about it, that you don’t follow football?
Frank Lampard is a shocking manager, he failed with Derby, he failed with Chelsea, dropping them both lower in the table than what they were when he took over them. He’s also taken Everton from 16th to 19th …. Not looking like they’re getting any better, their form has been poor to say the least, and they’re now in a relegation battle, which I personally, think is too much, for a relatively inexperienced manager, to handle.
It’ll be interesting to see who they get to take over!
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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"Nope he was a shite manager ( Mr) I see yes, so not that good manager.
( Mr) personally I never rated him , maybe a lower league manager to start with to gain experience "
Yes. I think the same, that he started to high, by going lower league he will gain more experience, then later he could come back and manage a bigger club  |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
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"I’m assuming as you don’t know much about it, that you don’t follow football?
Frank Lampard is a shocking manager, he failed with Derby, he failed with Chelsea, dropping them both lower in the table than what they were when he took over them. He’s also taken Everton from 16th to 19th …. Not looking like they’re getting any better, their form has been poor to say the least, and they’re now in a relegation battle, which I personally, think is too much, for a relatively inexperienced manager, to handle.
It’ll be interesting to see who they get to take over!
Mrs "
I do follow football, but not as much and yes, it will be interesting to see who will take over it. |
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"hes bad but the people higher up are as bad talk of rooney taking over
To be fair to Rooney, in his first season he kept Derby up despite making no signings and having no money to spend on players. In his second season, he very nearly kept them up again even after having 20-odd points deducted.
He knows the club inside out and has a track record of getting the best out of less talented players without spending money. They could do a lot worse than get him on board "
Ah come on, 'knows the club', what does that even mean??
And as for this track record you speak, thats just not nearly enough to manage someone like everton. If they appoint him they might as well just prepare for the champ right now |
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"He was dealt a dreadful hand, which he played poorly. Baffling decision to leave it this late,a week to go in January and on top of that, the profiles of the managers being linked couldn't be more different. Better managers available but there are a lot of players in that squad that aren't up to it, worse there's serious discontent in the squad. If anyone pulls this around, they'll be up for manager of the season. "
Its not that big an ask. Its january and they're only 2 points from safety |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I am no football expert but I hear tell often that it's the assistant managers who usually have the real talent. If they move onwards and upwards the 'manager' gets exposed for the weak leader they are  |
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"Nope he was a shite manager ( Mr) I see yes, so not that good manager.
( Mr) personally I never rated him , maybe a lower league manager to start with to gain experience Yes. I think the same, that he started to high, by going lower league he will gain more experience, then later he could come back and manage a bigger club "
Thats not going to happen. He wont do lower division work anymore
If hes lucky, hell get on the PL managerial merry-go-round ala pardew, allardyce, pulis, hughes etc
If not, he'll just do some punditry.
Neither is a bad gig
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By (user no longer on site)
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"hes bad but the people higher up are as bad talk of rooney taking over
To be fair to Rooney, in his first season he kept Derby up despite making no signings and having no money to spend on players. In his second season, he very nearly kept them up again even after having 20-odd points deducted.
He knows the club inside out and has a track record of getting the best out of less talented players without spending money. They could do a lot worse than get him on board
Ah come on, 'knows the club', what does that even mean??
And as for this track record you speak, thats just not nearly enough to manage someone like everton. If they appoint him they might as well just prepare for the champ right now"
So what is "enough" to manage someone like Everton then? Everton are not a big club anymore, they've run themselves in to the dirt through years of being horribly run. In their current state they're not going to attract a top class manager.
As for track records....Keegan had no management experience when he took over Newcastle. Zidane had none at first team level when he took over Real and won 3 Champions Leagues. Guardiola had none at first team level when to turned Barca into one of the best clubs sides ever seen. Rooney has cut his teeth at a lower level already and has far more of a track record than any of those did |
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"hes bad but the people higher up are as bad talk of rooney taking over
To be fair to Rooney, in his first season he kept Derby up despite making no signings and having no money to spend on players. In his second season, he very nearly kept them up again even after having 20-odd points deducted.
He knows the club inside out and has a track record of getting the best out of less talented players without spending money. They could do a lot worse than get him on board
Ah come on, 'knows the club', what does that even mean??
And as for this track record you speak, thats just not nearly enough to manage someone like everton. If they appoint him they might as well just prepare for the champ right now
So what is "enough" to manage someone like Everton then? Everton are not a big club anymore, they've run themselves in to the dirt through years of being horribly run. In their current state they're not going to attract a top class manager.
As for track records....Keegan had no management experience when he took over Newcastle. Zidane had none at first team level when he took over Real and won 3 Champions Leagues. Guardiola had none at first team level when to turned Barca into one of the best clubs sides ever seen. Rooney has cut his teeth at a lower level already and has far more of a track record than any of those did"
Sorry, the exceptions dont prove the rule.
What other PL club in danger would hire rooney now? None.
So everton would be hiring him on the basis of nothing other than familiarity
He may turn out to be a good manager in time, but everton can risk that now purely on sentiment |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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"hes bad but the people higher up are as bad talk of rooney taking over
To be fair to Rooney, in his first season he kept Derby up despite making no signings and having no money to spend on players. In his second season, he very nearly kept them up again even after having 20-odd points deducted.
He knows the club inside out and has a track record of getting the best out of less talented players without spending money. They could do a lot worse than get him on board
Ah come on, 'knows the club', what does that even mean??
And as for this track record you speak, thats just not nearly enough to manage someone like everton. If they appoint him they might as well just prepare for the champ right now
So what is "enough" to manage someone like Everton then? Everton are not a big club anymore, they've run themselves in to the dirt through years of being horribly run. In their current state they're not going to attract a top class manager.
As for track records....Keegan had no management experience when he took over Newcastle. Zidane had none at first team level when he took over Real and won 3 Champions Leagues. Guardiola had none at first team level when to turned Barca into one of the best clubs sides ever seen. Rooney has cut his teeth at a lower level already and has far more of a track record than any of those did
Sorry, the exceptions dont prove the rule.
What other PL club in danger would hire rooney now? None.
So everton would be hiring him on the basis of nothing other than familiarity
He may turn out to be a good manager in time, but everton can risk that now purely on sentiment"
Ok.....so who would be an acceptable appointment then? |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"Nope he was a shite manager ( Mr) I see yes, so not that good manager.
( Mr) personally I never rated him , maybe a lower league manager to start with to gain experience Yes. I think the same, that he started to high, by going lower league he will gain more experience, then later he could come back and manage a bigger club
Thats not going to happen. He wont do lower division work anymore
If hes lucky, hell get on the PL managerial merry-go-round ala pardew, allardyce, pulis, hughes etc
If not, he'll just do some punditry.
Neither is a bad gig
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Yes, we will see what kind of job he will get. I like this saying, "start low, aim high". |
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"hes bad but the people higher up are as bad talk of rooney taking over
To be fair to Rooney, in his first season he kept Derby up despite making no signings and having no money to spend on players. In his second season, he very nearly kept them up again even after having 20-odd points deducted.
He knows the club inside out and has a track record of getting the best out of less talented players without spending money. They could do a lot worse than get him on board
Ah come on, 'knows the club', what does that even mean??
And as for this track record you speak, thats just not nearly enough to manage someone like everton. If they appoint him they might as well just prepare for the champ right now
So what is "enough" to manage someone like Everton then? Everton are not a big club anymore, they've run themselves in to the dirt through years of being horribly run. In their current state they're not going to attract a top class manager.
As for track records....Keegan had no management experience when he took over Newcastle. Zidane had none at first team level when he took over Real and won 3 Champions Leagues. Guardiola had none at first team level when to turned Barca into one of the best clubs sides ever seen. Rooney has cut his teeth at a lower level already and has far more of a track record than any of those did
Sorry, the exceptions dont prove the rule.
What other PL club in danger would hire rooney now? None.
So everton would be hiring him on the basis of nothing other than familiarity
He may turn out to be a good manager in time, but everton can risk that now purely on sentiment
Ok.....so who would be an acceptable appointment then?"
Cant think of any off the top of my head to be honest...hopefully the everton board are casting the net wide |
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By *ensualbicockMan
over a year ago
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"I just heard about it, but dont know so much about it, do you? Apparently they fired the everton manager after the defeat by west ham, is it just down to that or is there something more to it?"
There's loads more to it. Thevclub is rotten to the core |
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"Has to be Stevie G 
He's Red 
So were Rafa. Ablett, Burrows, Beardsley and a few others…."
How well did Everton do under Rafa etc?!
My Dad remembers Everton as being THE team to beat. It's sad that they're languishing like they are.
But, I'm a White, so........... |
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By *hagTonight OP Man
over a year ago
From the land of haribos. |
"I just heard about it, but dont know so much about it, do you? Apparently they fired the everton manager after the defeat by west ham, is it just down to that or is there something more to it?
Yeah it's just because of the West Ham game. Nothing to do with all the other defeats including 4 on the bounce at home and the fact they are almost bottom of the table. "
Yes, it is because of those things as well. |
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"Has to be Stevie G
He's Red
So were Rafa. Ablett, Burrows, Beardsley and a few others….
How well did Everton do under Rafa etc?!
Success wasn’t the issue you raised, the shirt colour was….
My Dad remembers Everton as being THE team to beat. It's sad that they're languishing like they are.
But, I'm a White, so..........."
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"Interesting that Gerrard and Lampard have both turned into poor managers after both being excellent players"
Im not quite sure thats fair on gerrard yet.
He did very well with rangers, started well with villa but went off the boil.
I would reserve judgement on him for a while yet, at least until we see how he fares in his next role |
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"Interesting that Gerrard and Lampard have both turned into poor managers after both being excellent players
Im not quite sure thats fair on gerrard yet.
He did very well with rangers, started well with villa but went off the boil.
I would reserve judgement on him for a while yet, at least until we see how he fares in his next role"
He’s shite, just like Lampard. Doing well in Scotland means nothing - Neil Lennon even managed that.
They got big jobs because of their names and who they played for. Really unfair on good up and coming managers who work their way through the lower leagues. And yet Lampard and Gerrard will continue to get big jobs, and fail. |
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"Interesting that Gerrard and Lampard have both turned into poor managers after both being excellent players"
Many of the top managers were pretty average players. Ferguson, Wenger, even Pep. Clough is one of the few exceptions. |
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"Interesting that Gerrard and Lampard have both turned into poor managers after both being excellent players
Many of the top managers were pretty average players. Ferguson, Wenger, even Pep. Clough is one of the few exceptions. "
Pep was a fantastic player. One of the top MFs of his generation |
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"Interesting that Gerrard and Lampard have both turned into poor managers after both being excellent players
Many of the top managers were pretty average players. Ferguson, Wenger, even Pep. Clough is one of the few exceptions.
Pep was a fantastic player. One of the top MFs of his generation"
Sorry, my mistake. Point stands though- a good player doesn’t necessarily equal a good manager. |
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By *ynecplCouple
over a year ago
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Whilst his results could only lead to his sacking the problem is far more deep routed. Rafael Benitez, Carlo Ancelotti, Marco Silva, Ronald Koeman have all failed at Everton some of them have won the Champions League. When managers of the quality of those fail then you have to look at other reasons than just the manager.
It's interesting that the Everton supporters were not calling for the sacking of Lampard but directing their ire at he board. The club is a mess and needs to be relegated to perhaps enable it to start to turn things around. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Sack the manager, hire a new one who brings in new players and a different style of play.
Rinse and repeat.
One of Lampards recent teams had players bought by 5 different managers, another game had 6 players bought by preceeding managers.
They've sacked much better managers for exactly the same reason, a lack of success.
Who in their right mind would want the job now, second bottom, no money to spend and a Heinz 57 of a squad.
Boardroom shambles doesn't begin to describe it.
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"Interesting that Gerrard and Lampard have both turned into poor managers after both being excellent players
Im not quite sure thats fair on gerrard yet.
He did very well with rangers, started well with villa but went off the boil.
I would reserve judgement on him for a while yet, at least until we see how he fares in his next role
He’s shite, just like Lampard. Doing well in Scotland means nothing - Neil Lennon even managed that.
They got big jobs because of their names and who they played for. Really unfair on good up and coming managers who work their way through the lower leagues. And yet Lampard and Gerrard will continue to get big jobs, and fail. "
Most managers do fail. There are only 4 league winners a year and an fa Cup a year. |
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"Interesting that Gerrard and Lampard have both turned into poor managers after both being excellent players
Many of the top managers were pretty average players. Ferguson, Wenger, even Pep. Clough is one of the few exceptions. "
Mourinho, wenger.. Ancelotti, ranieri... |
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"Interesting that Gerrard and Lampard have both turned into poor managers after both being excellent players
Many of the top managers were pretty average players. Ferguson, Wenger, even Pep. Clough is one of the few exceptions.
Mourinho, wenger.. Ancelotti, ranieri... "
Ancelotti was a good player and so was Pep |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Interesting that Gerrard and Lampard have both turned into poor managers after both being excellent players
Many of the top managers were pretty average players. Ferguson, Wenger, even Pep. Clough is one of the few exceptions.
Mourinho, wenger.. Ancelotti, ranieri... "
Ancelotti played for one of the best teams of all time at AC Milan ! |
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Interesting that Gerrard and Lampard have both turned into poor managers after both being excellent players
Many of the top managers were pretty average players. Ferguson, Wenger, even Pep. Clough is one of the few exceptions.
Mourinho, wenger.. Ancelotti, ranieri...
Ancelotti played for one of the best teams of all time at AC Milan ! "
20 odd Italy caps and 2 European cups |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Great player .. absolutely... but as a manager very very poor , that's 3 clubs where he didn't cut it , the sad thing is the Manager will always get sacked before any player , that's football, he should just forget about football now and enjoy life ...why should any man put up with the humouring or drama a player brings ... enjoy life Frank  ..you don't owe the game anything. |
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Realistically after struggling last season, what should Everton fans expect this season? After signing some players some Everton fans thought we could take on the world!
Lampard wasn’t the right man for the job, but I don’t think is entirely at fault for the current position of the club.
What is that now, 5 managers in 6 years? The problem clearly isn’t the manager. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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I feel like Lampard tried to run before he could walk. Got his coaching badges and immediately took charge of Derby County and ditched them the second the dream option of Chelsea appeared. He failed at Chelsea and now he has failed at Everton.
Maybe a stint as an assistant manager or in to the lower leagues might help him out in future. |
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By *iggingMan
over a year ago
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"I feel like Lampard tried to run before he could walk. Got his coaching badges and immediately took charge of Derby County and ditched them the second the dream option of Chelsea appeared. He failed at Chelsea and now he has failed at Everton.
Maybe a stint as an assistant manager or in to the lower leagues might help him out in future."
We would have him at Oldham. |
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"He has spent loads of money and they are shite
What money did he spend? Net?
About £27m nett. According to the item on the BBC sports pages."
Is that loads.? Doesn't seem to be really for the prem. |
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"The only players in that Everton team that are not his signings are Pickford and Lewin. I believe all the rest are his signings?"
Way off the mark, hes made 5 i think
Codey was a decent signing, Ohnanna a great signing - Gauye , McNeil and Maupay shocking signings
But who signed them, there is a director of football there |
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By (user no longer on site)
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Another case of a manager being made sacrificial lamb because the squad have too much power. I doubt any manager coming in will be able to change that. The squad arent playing for the team |
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"The only players in that Everton team that are not his signings are Pickford and Lewin. I believe all the rest are his signings?
Way off the mark, hes made 5 i think
Codey was a decent signing, Ohnanna a great signing - Gauye , McNeil and Maupay shocking signings
But who signed them, there is a director of football there "
Don't forget the mighty delli alli and donny van de beek |
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By *lynJMan
over a year ago
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"He has spent loads of money and they are shite
What money did he spend? Net?
About £27m nett. According to the item on the BBC sports pages.
Is that loads.? Doesn't seem to be really for the prem. "
No, it's a pittance in PL terms. |
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"The only players in that Everton team that are not his signings are Pickford and Lewin. I believe all the rest are his signings?
Way off the mark, hes made 5 i think
Codey was a decent signing, Ohnanna a great signing - Gauye , McNeil and Maupay shocking signings
But who signed them, there is a director of football there
Don't forget the mighty delli alli and donny van de beek"
oh fuck yes, sorry |
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By *abioMan
over a year ago
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Carragher said it best when he said they are basically the worst run club in England… it’s a shambles!!
There’s is no coherent plan… the owners don’t have a clue!!!
Saying that… Arsenal go there a week on Saturday.. it’s one of those places that makes me worried! |
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"Carragher said it best when he said they are basically the worst run club in England… it’s a shambles!!
There’s is no coherent plan… the owners don’t have a clue!!!
Saying that… Arsenal go there a week on Saturday.. it’s one of those places that makes me worried! "
No worries. Can't see them winning another game. Players have been a disgrace. |
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By *glyBettyTV/TS
over a year ago
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Everton have been living off their reputation of glories past for well over 30 years.
They haven't learned that you actually can stop being a big club, like what happened to Leeds, Nottingham Forest, and to a lesser extent Aston Villa.
They still believe they're at least a Tottenham Hotspur-level club, despite being vastly off the pace of even a club like Spurs for the last 20 years.
Building a new stadium doesn't guarantee elite status, just ask Sunderland.
I think they're due a relegation, and perhaps need it to happen to refocus who they are as a club. They've had it written all over them, much like Villa's final few seasons before they finally dropped down a few years ago. A rebuild in the Championship for a season or two might do them some good.
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Lampard: great footballer, so-so manager
