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Testosterone Replacement TRT part 2
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"It’s a pity women can’t get this easily. Most gps refuse and you have to go private " It isn't that easy for men either. Despite it being available on the NHS it can be a battle. I spent 3 years appealing, writing to the local trust and they wouldnt budge, despite me being eligible. | |||
"It’s a pity women can’t get this easily. Most gps refuse and you have to go private It isn't that easy for men either. Despite it being available on the NHS it can be a battle. I spent 3 years appealing, writing to the local trust and they wouldnt budge, despite me being eligible. " With Regards to Females; Ladies going through the "menopause" some ladies are given low doses of testosterone by their doctor (depending on how clued up the GP is, and postcode area). Low testosterone in a female is the main cause of Osteoporosis Osteoporosis is the "Hidden" disease which does not show until normally it is too late. With regards to Males; again as stated above, the problem is that most GP's are not clued up on the cause & effects of Low Testosterone Often you must request a private consultation to get the ball rolling. If the specialist confirms you are low in testosterone he will write a report to your GP and your GP will put you on Testosterone replacement via nhs. often this is also post code related. | |||
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"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself. I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested." Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies? | |||
"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself. I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested. Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?" Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too. | |||
"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself. I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested. Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too. " That's quite a jump from a prescription testosterone replacement to steroids  | |||
"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself. I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested. Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too. That's quite a jump from a prescription testosterone replacement to steroids "What do you think the injectable Test you get on trt is? It's a steroid. | |||
"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself. I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested. Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too. That's quite a jump from a prescription testosterone replacement to steroids What do you think the injectable Test you get on trt is? It's a steroid. "It's still irresponsible suggesting going down some shady route | |||
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"Id like some testogel." Get yourself a blood test with your GP. Read up on the symptoms on the NHS website and tell your doctor that it matches you. Then see if it's needed. | |||
"Id like some testogel. Get yourself a blood test with your GP. Read up on the symptoms on the NHS website and tell your doctor that it matches you. Then see if it's needed." Surely you mean read up on the symptoms to check if he has any of them | |||
"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself. I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested. Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too. That's quite a jump from a prescription testosterone replacement to steroids What do you think the injectable Test you get on trt is? It's a steroid. "Dirty Deeds from reading your posts you have absolutely no idea what TRT is or indeed why it is required. Testosterone replacement is required to provide men with Low testosterone, the true amount required for them to live a normal healthy life. Testosterone replacement is a decision one has to think lengthily about as this is a treatment for life. it is not a noe or two month fix once you decide on this route it is a life long decision whether Testogel or Nebido 1000mg/4 ml solution for injection. or injectable test as dirty deeds puts it as he has no idea. You must have regular blood tests whilst on TRT especially when just starting out after two years or more, blood tests can reduce to 6 monthly or once a year. Nebido contains the male hormone -testosterone as the active ingredient. the main use of trt is to treat various health problems including; impotence infertility low sex drive tiredness depressive moods bone loss and low bone density (caused by low testosterone) You do not buy this down the pub as you have zero idea how to use it or what it is required for. | |||
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"A person's diet can help, as certain things can help increase or produce testosterone whilst certain things can decrease which is natural remedies " Do you have anything to specifically to name ? Which natural remedies are you thinking of | |||
"I’ve considered TRT through a private clinic. However, until I get my sleep right, my diet on point and lift heavy weights. I’m not taking a short cut and a life time of popping pills . " why would you wish to go down the route of a private clinic? are you aware of the cost of TRT? and what exactly are you talking about with popping pills, there are no pills to pop on TRT | |||
"I’ve considered TRT through a private clinic. However, until I get my sleep right, my diet on point and lift heavy weights. I’m not taking a short cut and a life time of popping pills . " I think you are confusing TRT with steroid usage. | |||
"A person's diet can help, as certain things can help increase or produce testosterone whilst certain things can decrease which is natural remedies Do you have anything to specifically to name ? Which natural remedies are you thinking of " Fatty fish. Fatty fish like salmon and sardines are rich in nutrients that are important for hormonal health, such as vitamin D, zinc, and omega-3 fatty acids. Dark, leafy greens. Cocoa products. Avocados. Eggs. Berries, cherries, and pomegranates. Shellfish That's just a few are many choices if a person maybe allergic to certain things | |||
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"Wheres part 1?" TRT - testosterone replacement Use the search There is a lot of good "correct information" I have to apologise for some on here who think you can increase your testosterone on food supplements or from Joe bloggs in the local boozer. This thread is specifically for people suffering from the effects of Low Testosterone when you're body starts dropping production from age 40 onwards Many people live a full life on natural testosterone levels right into 80's But some of us from age 40 and above have natural levels of 8 - 13 nmol/L and these low levels cause serious issues including Osteoporosis | |||
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"I’ve considered TRT through a private clinic. However, until I get my sleep right, my diet on point and lift heavy weights. I’m not taking a short cut and a life time of popping pills . " You realise testosterone isn’t a supplement, it’s replacing something the body can create naturally, and lack of it can affect sleep, muscles and weight gain…… | |||
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"Wheres part 1? TRT - testosterone replacement Use the search There is a lot of good "correct information" I have to apologise for some on here who think you can increase your testosterone on food supplements or from Joe bloggs in the local boozer. This thread is specifically for people suffering from the effects of Low Testosterone when you're body starts dropping production from age 40 onwards Many people live a full life on natural testosterone levels right into 80's But some of us from age 40 and above have natural levels of 8 - 13 nmol/L and these low levels cause serious issues including Osteoporosis " Excuse me it's not from Joe blogs It's from a nutrition book healthy eating which I use when training so I'm eating correct to provide maximum your body produces testosterone and foods help maintain the levels so it's balanced but those who wrote up about it and published a book must be lacking knowledge | |||
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"Wheres part 1? TRT - testosterone replacement Use the search There is a lot of good "correct information" I have to apologise for some on here who think you can increase your testosterone on food supplements or from Joe bloggs in the local boozer. This thread is specifically for people suffering from the effects of Low Testosterone when you're body starts dropping production from age 40 onwards Many people live a full life on natural testosterone levels right into 80's But some of us from age 40 and above have natural levels of 8 - 13 nmol/L and these low levels cause serious issues including Osteoporosis Excuse me it's not from Joe blogs It's from a nutrition book healthy eating which I use when training so I'm eating correct to provide maximum your body produces testosterone and foods help maintain the levels so it's balanced but those who wrote up about it and published a book must be lacking knowledge " Bucka39 it seems you have not understood the reasons of this thread. This thread is not for people with normal healthy testicles that work as normal and for someone looking to increase more through good diet and sleep for body building purposes. This thread is for people with hypogonadism and for people in late 40's onwards where natural testosterone drops off. Let's try this way to explain; If you have a car with a broken fuel pump, you do not keep adding petrol in hope that it will fix the problem and the car will run. You can add all the petrol (or in your case diet) and the car will still not run as the fuel pump is broken. (hypogonadism). This thread is for people who cannot produce natural testosterone due to certain health conditions and hence TRT is required. I hope I have said in a way that has made you understand. Go look for some bodybuilding threads where people want to increase higher levels of natural testosterone as your comments here are of no use for anyone with these medical problems. Or go and read the Original TRT testosterone replacement thread and hopefully this will help you understand. | |||
"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself. I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested. Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too. That's quite a jump from a prescription testosterone replacement to steroids "I can get these easy but training is a must but the if you go into say savers you can buy testo z10s these are great only part of these is there 11 quid for a pot lol | |||
"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself. I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested. Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too. That's quite a jump from a prescription testosterone replacement to steroids
I can get these easy but training is a must but the if you go into say savers you can buy testo z10s these are great only part of these is there 11 quid for a pot lol""Testo-Z10 zinc Contributes to the maintenance of normal testosterone levels in the blood." As said above, not what this thread is about | |||
"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself. I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested. Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too. That's quite a jump from a prescription testosterone replacement to steroids What do you think the injectable Test you get on trt is? It's a steroid.
Dirty Deeds
from reading your posts you have absolutely no idea what TRT is or indeed why it is required.
Testosterone replacement is required to provide men with Low testosterone, the true amount required for them to live a normal healthy life.
Testosterone replacement is a decision one has to think lengthily about as this is a treatment for life. it is not a noe or two month fix
once you decide on this route it is a life long decision whether Testogel or Nebido 1000mg/4 ml solution for injection. or injectable test as dirty deeds puts it as he has no idea.
You must have regular blood tests whilst on TRT especially when just starting out
after two years or more, blood tests can reduce to 6 monthly or once a year.
Nebido contains the male hormone -testosterone as the active ingredient.
the main use of trt is to treat various health problems including;
impotence
infertility
low sex drive
tiredness
depressive moods
bone loss and low bone density (caused by low testosterone)
You do not buy this down the pub as you have zero idea how to use it or what it is required for."How else would you describe testosterone that is injected? I have 4 friends currently on trt. 1 is using gel. The other 3 are taking a weekly/10 day Injection of Testosterone Enthanate. 2 of those injecting the test were refused treatment because despite their numbers being low, it wasn't low enough for their gp to do anything about it. All 4 are happier than ever, with all symptoms pretty much gone. Guess where the 2 guys refused treatment found out that they could get private bloodtests and the test that the nhs weren't providing, for a fraction of the cost that a private company like Numan charges? That's right, guy they know from the pub. Someone who I'd bet knows more about hormones than you considering he's been on them since his 20's in some shape or form. Would you like me to take some pictures of their vials and send them over for some proof? 
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"I’ve considered TRT through a private clinic. However, until I get my sleep right, my diet on point and lift heavy weights. I’m not taking a short cut and a life time of popping pills . why would you wish to go down the route of a private clinic? are you aware of the cost of TRT? and what exactly are you talking about with popping pills, there are no pills to pop on TRT" Some do have to take an AI if their oestrogen gets too high so there may be a pill to pop. | |||
"If your gp refuses it's not exactly hard to get a bloodtest and the required testosterone yourself. I know a few people just outside of the normal range who had loads of the symptoms of low T, now they feel like they're young men again after seeking alternate means after their gp wasn't interested. Dave down the pub? Testogel in one pocket and some lovely steak in a bag? Ask no questions get no lies?Steroids aren't a new game you know? It's not hard to come by. I guarantee if you ask about you know someone who has access to them. They likely know more about testosterone and its mechanisms than your average GP too. That's quite a jump from a prescription testosterone replacement to steroids What do you think the injectable Test you get on trt is? It's a steroid.
Dirty Deeds
from reading your posts you have absolutely no idea what TRT is or indeed why it is required.
Testosterone replacement is required to provide men with Low testosterone, the true amount required for them to live a normal healthy life.
Testosterone replacement is a decision one has to think lengthily about as this is a treatment for life. it is not a noe or two month fix
once you decide on this route it is a life long decision whether Testogel or Nebido 1000mg/4 ml solution for injection. or injectable test as dirty deeds puts it as he has no idea.
You must have regular blood tests whilst on TRT especially when just starting out
after two years or more, blood tests can reduce to 6 monthly or once a year.
Nebido contains the male hormone -testosterone as the active ingredient.
the main use of trt is to treat various health problems including;
impotence
infertility
low sex drive
tiredness
depressive moods
bone loss and low bone density (caused by low testosterone)
You do not buy this down the pub as you have zero idea how to use it or what it is required for.How else would you describe testosterone that is injected? I have 4 friends currently on trt. 1 is using gel. The other 3 are taking a weekly/10 day Injection of Testosterone Enthanate. 2 of those injecting the test were refused treatment because despite their numbers being low, it wasn't low enough for their gp to do anything about it. All 4 are happier than ever, with all symptoms pretty much gone. Guess where the 2 guys refused treatment found out that they could get private bloodtests and the test that the nhs weren't providing, for a fraction of the cost that a private company like Numan charges? That's right, guy they know from the pub. Someone who I'd bet knows more about hormones than you considering he's been on them since his 20's in some shape or form. Would you like me to take some pictures of their vials and send them over for some proof?
Get off your high horse."Aye it exactly same thing mate only slight advantage the doctor prescribed trt has is the nebido (testosterone undecanote) is less frequent injections due to longer ester vs test cypionate or enthanate which is shorter ester and ideally should be a week or at most 2 weeks between injections, more frequent injections are better for stable hormone levels (nebido is available but not many labs carry it as it’s not very popular) It’s also ridiculously cheap a vial of test e or c is 20 quid and will last 20 weeks at trt dose. Like you say bodybuilders have been well ahead of science/doctors on many things (training for hypertrophy, eating to grow muscle and of course hormones ) | |||
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"I wouldn't trust someone whose only qualification is "having done it for 20 years". There's so much bro science around. As for me, almost a month in. Definitely better energy levels, definitely better mood. Haven't exactly exploded with serious gainz in the gym, and the sex drive is still a bit meh. Need to get my next blood test sorted really..." You should be getting your bloods tested every 6 weeks until they find the correct dosage for you I suspect you will increase from 2 pumps if using the pump applicator. Remember your fsh & lh will not have shut down yet as you are only a month in. Over a year your FSH & LH will drop off to a very low percentage. | |||
"I wouldn't trust someone whose only qualification is "having done it for 20 years". There's so much bro science around. As for me, almost a month in. Definitely better energy levels, definitely better mood. Haven't exactly exploded with serious gainz in the gym, and the sex drive is still a bit meh. Need to get my next blood test sorted really... You should be getting your bloods tested every 6 weeks until they find the correct dosage for you I suspect you will increase from 2 pumps if using the pump applicator. Remember your fsh & lh will not have shut down yet as you are only a month in. Over a year your FSH & LH will drop off to a very low percentage." Thanks, yes, I'm on the pump. I'll give it a week and then chase the GP. They've been good so far. | |||
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"Great thread, thank you. My wife is in HRT including Testogel but in much lower doses. Its really helped her and made me curious whether I might need some.. I recognise some of the symptoms. I did get a test a while back but the levels came back as normal and stupidly I didn't make a note of what the actual level was. So if normal range is 10-30 nmol/L.. What level would you need to be down to before they'll offer TRT? " I was 13 nmol/L with bloods taken at 8.30am. To the normal NHS GP doctor- this is within the normal limits and he would send you on your way. BUT, this is not the deciding factor. I broke my ankle twice and it was on the second time that my surgeon requested my testosterone to be tested. This came back at 13nmol/L which is low but kind of acceptable BUT** MY FREE TESTOSTERONE was also tested and this came back extremely low which means my 13nmol/L was not converting to Free testosterone and building my bone mass. This meant my bone mass was Low and I had Osteoporosis due to Low Testosterone. This was also confirmed with a DEXA scan which measures bone density. After 2 years on TRT my bone density increased by 12% and a further 10% within 4 years. I no longer have Osteoporosis and my bone density is returning to normal | |||
"Great thread, thank you. My wife is in HRT including Testogel but in much lower doses. Its really helped her and made me curious whether I might need some.. I recognise some of the symptoms. I did get a test a while back but the levels came back as normal and stupidly I didn't make a note of what the actual level was. So if normal range is 10-30 nmol/L.. What level would you need to be down to before they'll offer TRT? I was 13 nmol/L with bloods taken at 8.30am. To the normal NHS GP doctor- this is within the normal limits and he would send you on your way. BUT, this is not the deciding factor. I broke my ankle twice and it was on the second time that my surgeon requested my testosterone to be tested. This came back at 13nmol/L which is low but kind of acceptable BUT** MY FREE TESTOSTERONE was also tested and this came back extremely low which means my 13nmol/L was not converting to Free testosterone and building my bone mass. This meant my bone mass was Low and I had Osteoporosis due to Low Testosterone. This was also confirmed with a DEXA scan which measures bone density. After 2 years on TRT my bone density increased by 12% and a further 10% within 4 years. I no longer have Osteoporosis and my bone density is returning to normal " Further to the above, I receive TRT - testosterone replacement on the nhs | |||
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"Kicking this back up. How have people been getting on? I'm almost six months in, and it's been good so far. Doc just upped my BP medication. Checking in 4-6 weeks. Had a letter saying I'm going to be referred to endocrinology, so that's still waiting. Would have been hell if they'd decided to wait for that first." I am basically back to living a normal life, back to full health and continue to receive an injection every 8 weeks, I no longer have concerns and my body has fully adjusted to TRT. I now get my bloods tested only once a year and levels are fairly steady. Bone mass still gets checked every 2 years, I now have a very slim waist as that is an advantage of Testosterone, it removes tummy body fat. All is good, health is good and sex life is good. | |||
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"After following this forum had my testosterone level checked and it came in at 12" Might be too high for the NHS to do something about. Hopefully you'll get an understanding GP. Good luck. | |||
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"My GP says no action required" How do you feel about that? There's always private, although my view on them is that they'll obviously try and sell you the entire farm. Find a good and reputable clinic and see what they say. | |||
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"My GP says no action required" Can’t you ask to be referred to endocrinology and see what they say? Trt is still pretty much in the dark ages here I’d push for it if you are feeling shit. Because it usually declines gradually Only once getting on trt and having healthy levels do you realise how truly bad you felt before | |||
"After following this forum had my testosterone level checked and it came in at 12 Might be too high for the NHS to do something about. Hopefully you'll get an understanding GP. Good luck." The problem is; The NHS does not test FREE Testosterone 12 is low but they have absolutely no idea of how much free testosterone is feeding your bone growth. In my case virtually zero which had caused onset Osteoporosis and broken bone. Luckily I suggested to the surgeon that my natural testosterone was low and it was the surgeon who investigated this further. The outcome was low natural testosterone and extremely low free testosterone I then requested my doctor refer me private at Murrayfield hospital Edinburgh. Further investigation and reports sent both to myself and my NHS practice GP My gp followed advice and I am now on TRT for life under NHS. I refer myself private once a year for blood tests which are not covered under NHS and are essential whilst on this treatment. | |||
"I have started a new thread on this as I have had a large number of Private Messages of appreciation and requests for further information. . The fact is, for the majority of Males, Their Testosterone levels start to drop off from age 45 onwards and continue to decrease through life. . Symptoms; If you’re feeling sluggish, low energy brain fog low sex drive body shape change Lesser erections (softer, less frequent) Then get your testosterone checked, it’s something vital in your body that tends to reduce with age. There’s a normal range something like 10-30 nmol/L, in men of all ages mine was at 9! I was put on TRT and the difference was almost immediate, and still carries on being hugely beneficial. There’s risks after age 50 and you need to be monitored regularly, with blood tests and consultation. The ideal level range over 50 in age, is mid to high teens I was tested and shown to be 9nmol/L, my doctor said this was within normal range, I then fractured my ankle and was seen by a specialist, I mentioned my low testosterone to him and he suspected I also had Low Bone Density. (Low Testosterone causes Low Bone Density "Osteoporosis"). He carried out further tests and confirmed I was Low on Testosterone and Low Bone Density was the cause of my ankle fracture. His report was sent to my GP and I am now on TRT (Testosterone Replacement for life via NHS. NOTE; This is a nhs treatment; I have been on Testosterone Replacement for over 4 years now, first two years on Testogel and once dosage was fixed out things worked well, I was on two sachets a day which are rubbed into your shoulders. I changed over to testosterone undecanoate (Nebido®) 1000mg /4ML injection every 8 weeks and this works just as well. I average 25nmol/L although peak is slightly higher and Trough slightly lower. My daily morning erections have returned and can achieve an erection as and when required, often when not required too. . So why was I placed on TRT, Testosterone Replacement • fatigue • lethargy • depression • anxiety • irritability • low libido • erectile dysfunction • reduced exercise tolerance and strength • excessive sweating and night sweats • poor concentration or memory My doctor and specialist eventually discovered this was due to Low Testosterone and I am now on Testosterone replacement for life. My overall well being has increased rapidly, my fitness, strength and im even getting noticeable muscles My Erections have also returned big time, powerful strong rock solid erections every morning and as and when performance is required, often unexpected moments too such as standing in a Tesco check out queue Feel free to ask me anything regarding TRT and I will try and give a direct answer of my experience." Ray thanks for bring this back up. Most of what you have in the above is what I have been suffering with for that last 2 yrs and has worsened over the last 6 months and included migraines on a regular basis. The GP has done some blood tests and found my B12 is at the bottom of the range so I've been shock dosed and have to go back in 3 months. When I go back I'll be asking about getting my testosterone tested if the symptoms are still there. | |||
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"On line pharmacist..do a blood test and answer some questions. If they are happy then they will prescribe some for you. Approx £18.00 per month from Super d's. 3 days after starting it brain fog cleared and energy levels are increasing.(mrs FF).For the first time in years i actually felt good, happy..best thing i have done for ages. Over a year trying to get my GP surgery to listen to me..got fed up of waiting. " Welcome to the good stuff | |||
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"I’m on TRT. Cypionate and HCG twice a week. Life changing. " How do we get into it?? Lots of women get hrt but no support/recognition for male hormones! (Or am i being anti woke?) Lol | |||
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"I’m on TRT. Cypionate and HCG twice a week. Life changing. How do we get into it?? Lots of women get hrt but no support/recognition for male hormones! (Or am i being anti woke?) Lol" No, your observation is correct. By far the easiest way as far as I’m aware is to go to a private clinic. I’m told Optimale is good for those the UK. I’m in Ireland so I go to one up in Dublin. | |||
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"On the gel since December. Had blood pressure issues before and it's pushed them quite a bit higher. On Ramipril now to try and get it down. Did eventually get to see an endocrinologist in July and if my GP hadn't already put me on it I doubt she would have. Basically decided on the spot it was all in my head. If I had the money I'd go private for the injections but for now the gel will have to do. " What the gel caused high bp? | |||
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"There’s a normal range something like 10-30 nmol/L, in men of all ages mine was at 9! " The uk way of doing this is very flawed , most people have no idea of what normal was before. I don’t think they measure free testosterone properly either Also the earlier you test the high yet it will be. I test regularly. I’m 53 and if I test early before 9am it’s 26-29 , later it can be as low as 13. If I have the symptoms feeling sluggish and unfocused , regardless of readings my doc just says take a shot and does the needful , he’s done it twice on 5 years and tbh it’s never helped. I prefer to eat and train to increase free T | |||
"Hi all. What blood test I need to do to qualify for potential trt? From what I was trying to find out from Google I need more then just testosteron. LH, FHS, ESTRADIOL, PROLACTIN, PROGESTERONE they all play part in low libido and ED. My GP thinks it's just testosterone I need to check. Is there any good resources I can like to my doctor? Thanks" Private clinics follow guidelines set by BSSM (British Society of Sexual Medicine) but may also have their own extra requirements that will differ from clinic to clinic. You’ll usually need two low testosterone results from two separate blood tests. At least one of the tests will also usually need to have checked other markers, including a full blood count, lipids, LH, FSH, PSA. | |||
"There’s a normal range something like 10-30 nmol/L, in men of all ages mine was at 9! The uk way of doing this is very flawed , most people have no idea of what normal was before. I don’t think they measure free testosterone properly either Also the earlier you test the high yet it will be. I test regularly. I’m 53 and if I test early before 9am it’s 26-29 , later it can be as low as 13. If I have the symptoms feeling sluggish and unfocused , regardless of readings my doc just says take a shot and does the needful , he’s done it twice on 5 years and tbh it’s never helped. I prefer to eat and train to increase free T " They disregard any test taken later in the day You have test low early in morning when hormones are at peak to qualify Testosterone takes time to build to a peak If the doctor gave you 2 shots in 5 years you won’t feel anything especially not if your testing 29 in morning that’s a very healthy level that doctor while I admire his willingness to give out testosterone freely should be struck off haha | |||
"There’s a normal range something like 10-30 nmol/L, in men of all ages mine was at 9! The uk way of doing this is very flawed , most people have no idea of what normal was before. I don’t think they measure free testosterone properly either Also the earlier you test the high yet it will be. I test regularly. I’m 53 and if I test early before 9am it’s 26-29 , later it can be as low as 13. If I have the symptoms feeling sluggish and unfocused , regardless of readings my doc just says take a shot and does the needful , he’s done it twice on 5 years and tbh it’s never helped. I prefer to eat and train to increase free T They disregard any test taken later in the day You have test low early in morning when hormones are at peak to qualify Testosterone takes time to build to a peak If the doctor gave you 2 shots in 5 years you won’t feel anything especially not if your testing 29 in morning that’s a very healthy level that doctor while I admire his willingness to give out testosterone freely should be struck off haha " It’s not - they chose to treat the observable symptoms rather than medicate below a generic number with no idea what your ‘normal ‘ was prior to testing. If you were reading 40 -50 in younger years and 20-30 is very low. The UK way is based on budgets not symptoms A lot of doctors and professionals of the UKNHS way of doing it to a generic number for all people indeed very flawed | |||
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"A person's diet can help, as certain things can help increase or produce testosterone whilst certain things can decrease which is natural remedies Do you have anything to specifically to name ? Which natural remedies are you thinking of " Semen retention Plenty of fat instead of shitty sugar Get sleep Exercise | |||
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"Has anyone had to do an MRI scan ? An if so what is the reason for it ?? " Doctors will sometimes request an MRI in order to check the pituitary gland. If the pituitary gland is not functioning properly, it can cause symptoms such as fatigue, sexual dysfunction and changes in body composition, appearance or weight. It is more common for doctors to request an MRI when testosterone levels are ‘very low’ on multiple tests (below 5.4nmol/l). | |||
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"A lot of interesting reading on here. I had my testosterone level checked as well as a few other things and it all came back normal. My testosterone level was 20.3 The doctor has given me Viagra I can't remember the proper drug name. I was having problems with a solid erection and it wasn't staying up for long. I took a Viagra that the doctor prescribed, wow, I felt like a teenage boy again. I forgot to ask what is the normal level for testosterone for a 54 year old male. Does anyone know a chart I can look up. " There are various charts for normal/average levels online and the values will differ depending on the source. One I found on a website for a private TRT clinic says that the *average* testosterone levels for a man aged 45-54 years old are: - Total testosterone: 21.02nmol/L - Free testosterone: 0.314nmol/L For age group 55-64 years old the average decreases as follows: - Total testosterone: 19.49nmol/L - Free testosterone: 0.2888nmol/L The NHS will usually only consider levels low enough to be eligible for treatment when below 6-7nmol/L 
Testosterone levels do usually decrease with age but these are typically considered a *normal* range for most age groups:
- Total testosterone: 12nmol/L - 26nmol/L
- Free testosterone: 0.225nmol/L - 0.65nmol/L
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"I have started a new thread on this as I have had a large number of Private Messages of appreciation and requests for further information. . The fact is, for the majority of Males, Their Testosterone levels start to drop off from age 45 onwards and continue to decrease through life. . Symptoms; If you’re feeling sluggish, low energy brain fog low sex drive body shape change Lesser erections (softer, less frequent) Then get your testosterone checked, it’s something vital in your body that tends to reduce with age. There’s a normal range something like 10-30 nmol/L, in men of all ages mine was at 9! I was put on TRT and the difference was almost immediate, and still carries on being hugely beneficial. There’s risks after age 50 and you need to be monitored regularly, with blood tests and consultation. The ideal level range over 50 in age, is mid to high teens I was tested and shown to be 9nmol/L, my doctor said this was within normal range, I then fractured my ankle and was seen by a specialist, I mentioned my low testosterone to him and he suspected I also had Low Bone Density. (Low Testosterone causes Low Bone Density "Osteoporosis"). He carried out further tests and confirmed I was Low on Testosterone and Low Bone Density was the cause of my ankle fracture. His report was sent to my GP and I am now on TRT (Testosterone Replacement for life via NHS. NOTE; This is a nhs treatment; I have been on Testosterone Replacement for over 4 years now, first two years on Testogel and once dosage was fixed out things worked well, I was on two sachets a day which are rubbed into your shoulders. I changed over to testosterone undecanoate (Nebido®) 1000mg /4ML injection every 8 weeks and this works just as well. I average 25nmol/L although peak is slightly higher and Trough slightly lower. My daily morning erections have returned and can achieve an erection as and when required, often when not required too. . So why was I placed on TRT, Testosterone Replacement • fatigue • lethargy • depression • anxiety • irritability • low libido • erectile dysfunction • reduced exercise tolerance and strength • excessive sweating and night sweats • poor concentration or memory My doctor and specialist eventually discovered this was due to Low Testosterone and I am now on Testosterone replacement for life. My overall well being has increased rapidly, my fitness, strength and im even getting noticeable muscles My Erections have also returned big time, powerful strong rock solid erections every morning and as and when performance is required, often unexpected moments too such as standing in a Tesco check out queue Feel free to ask me anything regarding TRT and I will try and give a direct answer of my experience." Not at 45 I'm assuming you have at that age low testosterone level can hit men at age 29 it's all down to gene's as of my experience I have been on trt since then but it's very strong I get hypo like redbull on wings  so need to calm da fck down by using less so I do supply shhhh | |||
"It’s a pity women can’t get this easily. Most gps refuse and you have to go private It isn't that easy for men either. Despite it being available on the NHS it can be a battle. I spent 3 years appealing, writing to the local trust and they wouldnt budge, despite me being eligible. " Are you interested in getting testosterone gel 16.2 mg  | |||
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"Its a full metabolic disaster to be below 12.5nmols, also depending on your free testosterone fraction. Private trt is what, £200 a month? well, that ain't happening. Check for metabolic syndrome also, high waist hip ratio, high ldl cholesterol, high ldl, hdl ratio, high triglycerides. Glucose will probably be a bit whack. There's more and plenty of guides out there, but firstly try to lose weight sensibly and exercise is certainly the most important part to counteract inflammatory compounds. " Is that what they are charging? Self administered would cost about 2-4 quid a month | |||
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"Private TRT starts from about £60 per month but will need needle supplies and follow up blood tests etc on top. The Leger Clinic is usually one of the most affordable options. " That would actuslly be ok if it included the blood tests and needles for those who want the peace of mind if not going self administration. 10ml Bottle of test is £22 and would 20-30 weeks at trt doses in | |||
"TRT is one of the biggest scams around at the moment. There is no real regulation on its use in private healthcare. Taking exogenous testosterone prevents the production of endogenous testosterone. You end up with a negative feedback loop. It’s why bodybuilders end up with shrunken testes. Most people don’t need TRT, the need a better diet and exercise. " Agreed, but sometimes a carefully titrated blood testing regime linked with your mood may be good. Yes to the exogenous vs endogenous issue. It's still more complicated than that due to genetics, shbg and the other things. | |||
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"Private TRT clinics follow guidelines set by BSSM. Medications such as HCG can be used alongside TRT to help maintain testicular function and prevent the testicles from shrinking. Good diet, regular exercise, a healthy BMI and reduced alcohol intake can help to maintain/increase testosterone levels but for some men, they may already do that and still need support with medication. " And for that you can see your GP you don’t need a private clinic. Great let’s throw in some HCG to preserve your fertility but grow you some breasts. | |||
"Private TRT starts from about £60 per month but will need needle supplies and follow up blood tests etc on top. The Leger Clinic is usually one of the most affordable options. That would actuslly be ok if it included the blood tests and needles for those who want the peace of mind if not going self administration. 10ml Bottle of test is £22 and would 20-30 weeks at trt doses in " It can be reasonable but there’s often lots of extras on top. £22 is so cheap! 😮 It would probably be a good option for a lot of men to speak to a doctor, get their dosage dialled in for a few months and then go self administered, but definitely do blood tests to keep an eye on FBC, PSA etc. | |||
"Private TRT starts from about £60 per month but will need needle supplies and follow up blood tests etc on top. The Leger Clinic is usually one of the most affordable options. That would actuslly be ok if it included the blood tests and needles for those who want the peace of mind if not going self administration. 10ml Bottle of test is £22 and would 20-30 weeks at trt doses in It can be reasonable but there’s often lots of extras on top. £22 is so cheap! 😮 It would probably be a good option for a lot of men to speak to a doctor, get their dosage dialled in for a few months and then go self administered, but definitely do blood tests to keep an eye on FBC, PSA etc." It was £16 till recently, you one of the most knowledgeable person I’ve known on trt it’s very Impressive how much you know | |||
