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I can see our nhs going private like dentists
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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We all ready private pritty much
Only people who aren’t private at those under 16
A American friend planted the seed
We pay national insurance that right there is a private insurance policy
Just like American would pay for health insurance means we are private
Benefits are taxed with national insurance before people get them
Ie for talking sake the benefits fund is 30
Million
Well that 30 million gets reused down to 25 million as 5 comes back to the government for national insurance
If we were a free healthcare system we wouldn’t pay national insurance
Even the title off it is just that
National insurance ie healthcare insurance |
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Ours already is. Phoned them up and the first thing she said was “are you an NHS patient as we aren’t taking anymore”
When I said I was private, straight onto their books and £120 later for check and clean.  |
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I can see small charges being implemented and explained away with phrases such as 'for those who can afford it' and 'non-urgent '. This will lead to people who just miss out on qualifying for a benefit going without some types of health care I suspect
You already can't get your ears syringed on the NHS. |
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By *tephanjMan
over a year ago
Kettering |
I have just recently started a private health scheme. With Beneden only got 2 more monthly payments then can use there full services . Our NHS is underfunded which is all down to our useless government |
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"That's what torys want I'm sure! X"
Corrupt government decades of channelling services to line the pockets of the already wealthy.
Never more obvious than in last 3 year's.
They realise that they stand zero chance of getting re elected next GE so they are doing a smash and grab on the nation tying to squeeze every last penny to line their own pockets before kicked out and in the process making it almost impossible for the next party to take over.
It's been the Tories plan for years to get rid of the GP system as we know it.
I bet if someone did some research all the top Tories and friends n family and donators have all got shares in private healthcare companies as they know a large percentage of the population will have no choice but to take out private medical insurance within next ten years.
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Why not? Private business is way more efficient than the public sector. Provided the NHS stays true to the principle of 'free at point of need', who cares who the provider is. In any case, it's private business that does all the really smart medical stuff : new drugs, MRI scanners, implants, PPI, etc. |
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By *TG3Man
over a year ago
Dorchester |
I can see a utopian world where veg is grown intravenously on another planet by robots and meat real meat is grown in a workshop, where we all go to beach in electic cars and sun ourselves in 50 degree heat using our cards as payment money phased out because people never used it.  |
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"Why not? Private business is way more efficient than the public sector. Provided the NHS stays true to the principle of 'free at point of need', who cares who the provider is. In any case, it's private business that does all the really smart medical stuff : new drugs, MRI scanners, implants, PPI, etc. "
Great if you can afford it. Are you a
Tory by chance?? |
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"Why not? Private business is way more efficient than the public sector. Provided the NHS stays true to the principle of 'free at point of need', who cares who the provider is. In any case, it's private business that does all the really smart medical stuff : new drugs, MRI scanners, implants, PPI, etc. "
The water companies are so inefficient that we have had countless raw sewage releases off the coast here recently, numerous incidents of loss of water supplies for days on end and water leaks pumping thousands of gallons straight back down the drains did to lack of investment. Shareholders and CEOs are quite happy though. |
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"Why not? Private business is way more efficient than the public sector. Provided the NHS stays true to the principle of 'free at point of need', who cares who the provider is. In any case, it's private business that does all the really smart medical stuff : new drugs, MRI scanners, implants, PPI, etc. "
Except it costs more, as shareholder dividends have to be given. So either the same amount or money gives less cover, or you end up paying more, to get the same
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"Why not? Private business is way more efficient than the public sector.
As long as you don't mind paying them to cream off a profit and dump services that don't have a high enough margin "
What's wrong with profit? It underpins the entire concept of business and commerce. Moreover profits are taxed, as are shareholder dividends. So you'd rather pour taxpayers money into an inefficient and ineffectual NHS? |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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This is slowly being done already, several treatments have been moved to private as I am led to believe, cataracts being one, can't think of others at the moment. The NHS also rent beds essentially from private nursing homes to save beds and resources that way.
Not sure how I feel about it to be honest. Most training updates I do now is based on the guidance of National Institute of Care Excellence, which never used to be the case, it was always either local councils guidance or NHS. |
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"Why not? Private business is way more efficient than the public sector.
As long as you don't mind paying them to cream off a profit and dump services that don't have a high enough margin
What's wrong with profit? It underpins the entire concept of business and commerce. Moreover profits are taxed, as are shareholder dividends. So you'd rather pour taxpayers money into an inefficient and ineffectual NHS?"
Ok I recently explored private medical insurance, I have no underlying health concerns I'm on no medication but I am 63 - quotes I was receiving we're circa £260/month. I currently pay £330/month in NI but that also covers state pension contribution. If I thought for one minute that taking out private medical insurance would reduce my NI contribution by £260/month then I might take it a little more seriously, the cynic in me doesn't believe for one minute this will occur. So personally I'd be prepared to pay more tax provided it went and funded the NHS properly, spread across the population it is a more efficient use of money. Selling off property to then lease them back is incredibly expensive in the long run, it's a short term gain only and should never have been done. |
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"Why not? Private business is way more efficient than the public sector.
As long as you don't mind paying them to cream off a profit and dump services that don't have a high enough margin
What's wrong with profit? It underpins the entire concept of business and commerce. Moreover profits are taxed, as are shareholder dividends. So you'd rather pour taxpayers money into an inefficient and ineffectual NHS?
Ok I recently explored private medical insurance, I have no underlying health concerns I'm on no medication but I am 63 - quotes I was receiving we're circa £260/month. I currently pay £330/month in NI but that also covers state pension contribution. If I thought for one minute that taking out private medical insurance would reduce my NI contribution by £260/month then I might take it a little more seriously, the cynic in me doesn't believe for one minute this will occur. So personally I'd be prepared to pay more tax provided it went and funded the NHS properly, spread across the population it is a more efficient use of money. Selling off property to then lease them back is incredibly expensive in the long run, it's a short term gain only and should never have been done."
But you quote will not cover AE or an ambulance so if in America its about £550 a month. |
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"Why not? Private business is way more efficient than the public sector.
As long as you don't mind paying them to cream off a profit and dump services that don't have a high enough margin
What's wrong with profit? It underpins the entire concept of business and commerce. Moreover profits are taxed, as are shareholder dividends. So you'd rather pour taxpayers money into an inefficient and ineffectual NHS?
Ok I recently explored private medical insurance, I have no underlying health concerns I'm on no medication but I am 63 - quotes I was receiving we're circa £260/month. I currently pay £330/month in NI but that also covers state pension contribution. If I thought for one minute that taking out private medical insurance would reduce my NI contribution by £260/month then I might take it a little more seriously, the cynic in me doesn't believe for one minute this will occur. So personally I'd be prepared to pay more tax provided it went and funded the NHS properly, spread across the population it is a more efficient use of money. Selling off property to then lease them back is incredibly expensive in the long run, it's a short term gain only and should never have been done."
I'm not suggesting additional insurance, merely that the existing funding model and principle of 'free at point of need' are maintained, but that the provision of healthcare be run by private companies. Why not? That's the model in many other countries. |
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You already can't get your ears syringed on the NHS.
My mum had to pay £55 for syringing.
Yep, I think my dad went to Specsavers to get his done"
If that's an intentional funny..... bravo. 
Winston |
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You already can't get your ears syringed on the NHS.
My mum had to pay £55 for syringing.
Yep, I think my dad went to Specsavers to get his done
If that's an intentional funny..... bravo.
Winston "
I wish it was Winston but no. |
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I think my dad went to Specsavers to get his done
If that's an intentional funny..... bravo.
Winston
I wish it was Winston but no.
My mum also went to Specsavers for ear syringing"
I eventually persuaded my dad to go after long weeks of olive oil soaked cotton wool being shoved into already hard of hearing ears. |
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When was the last time you needed to get a bus, or train?
I think our recent issues with the energy market is a clear indication of how much of a failure these services in the private market has been. When you make what should be a key human right an opportunity for profiteering then you'll get the worst possible services, as demonstrated here.
France subsidise their rail travel as they own some of our rail. Effectively, we pay more so the French pay less.
Another Thatcher curse upon this country, meanwhile the likes of Sunak are doing what they can to change as many different employment laws and open as many privatisation contracts with their mates knowing in a couple of years they'll be booted out for a generation. |
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"Why not? Private business is way more efficient than the public sector.
As long as you don't mind paying them to cream off a profit and dump services that don't have a high enough margin
What's wrong with profit? It underpins the entire concept of business and commerce. Moreover profits are taxed, as are shareholder dividends. So you'd rather pour taxpayers money into an inefficient and ineffectual NHS?
Ok I recently explored private medical insurance, I have no underlying health concerns I'm on no medication but I am 63 - quotes I was receiving we're circa £260/month. I currently pay £330/month in NI but that also covers state pension contribution. If I thought for one minute that taking out private medical insurance would reduce my NI contribution by £260/month then I might take it a little more seriously, the cynic in me doesn't believe for one minute this will occur. So personally I'd be prepared to pay more tax provided it went and funded the NHS properly, spread across the population it is a more efficient use of money. Selling off property to then lease them back is incredibly expensive in the long run, it's a short term gain only and should never have been done.
I'm not suggesting additional insurance, merely that the existing funding model and principle of 'free at point of need' are maintained, but that the provision of healthcare be run by private companies. Why not? That's the model in many other countries."
So a bit like water or rail then both really working well eh |
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"Why not? Private business is way more efficient than the public sector.
As long as you don't mind paying them to cream off a profit and dump services that don't have a high enough margin
What's wrong with profit? It underpins the entire concept of business and commerce. Moreover profits are taxed, as are shareholder dividends. So you'd rather pour taxpayers money into an inefficient and ineffectual NHS?
Ok I recently explored private medical insurance, I have no underlying health concerns I'm on no medication but I am 63 - quotes I was receiving we're circa £260/month. I currently pay £330/month in NI but that also covers state pension contribution. If I thought for one minute that taking out private medical insurance would reduce my NI contribution by £260/month then I might take it a little more seriously, the cynic in me doesn't believe for one minute this will occur. So personally I'd be prepared to pay more tax provided it went and funded the NHS properly, spread across the population it is a more efficient use of money. Selling off property to then lease them back is incredibly expensive in the long run, it's a short term gain only and should never have been done."
And try getting private insurance as someone with existing health problems. I can't get life insurance, even though none of my conditions are life limiting, I don't drink or smoke. But no life insurance. Health insurance I'd also either be flatly refused or anything remotely connected to my existing conditions would be excluded, but it's those conditions I am using NHS treatment for! |
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I think my dad went to Specsavers to get his done
If that's an intentional funny..... bravo.
Winston
I wish it was Winston but no.
My mum also went to Specsavers for ear syringing
I eventually persuaded my dad to go after long weeks of olive oil soaked cotton wool being shoved into already hard of hearing ears. "
Our son (20) has massive issues with his ears. Syringing doesn't work. He paid £60-odd for micro suction before our holiday, he has to do it 3-4 times a year. Putting anything like drops in there just makes him completely deaf. |
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They charged my mum £55 then told her the problem wasn't wax but fluid behind the ear drum which they couldn't help with. This was two months ago. The GP says she should get a letter informing her of an appointment by 23rd January. And all this time she is struggling to hear properly. And even when she gets an appointment it might be months away. |
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I think my dad went to Specsavers to get his done
If that's an intentional funny..... bravo.
Winston
I wish it was Winston but no.
My mum also went to Specsavers for ear syringing
I eventually persuaded my dad to go after long weeks of olive oil soaked cotton wool being shoved into already hard of hearing ears.
Our son (20) has massive issues with his ears. Syringing doesn't work. He paid £60-odd for micro suction before our holiday, he has to do it 3-4 times a year. Putting anything like drops in there just makes him completely deaf."
Putting cotton wool with olive oil on it made my dad deaf(er). As he was 21 when the NHS was established he tries at home remedies first. |
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By *ryan...Man
over a year ago
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I think my dad went to Specsavers to get his done
If that's an intentional funny..... bravo.
Winston
I wish it was Winston but no.
My mum also went to Specsavers for ear syringing"
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Specsavers seem to have more staff than the NHS |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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I think my dad went to Specsavers to get his done
If that's an intentional funny..... bravo.
Winston
I wish it was Winston but no.
My mum also went to Specsavers for ear syringing.
Specsavers seem to have more staff than the NHS "
And they greet you with a smile |
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I think my dad went to Specsavers to get his done
If that's an intentional funny..... bravo.
Winston
I wish it was Winston but no.
My mum also went to Specsavers for ear syringing.
Specsavers seem to have more staff than the NHS "
The two aren't comparable really though |
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You already can't get your ears syringed on the NHS.
My mum had to pay £55 for syringing.
Yep, I think my dad went to Specsavers to get his done
If that's an intentional funny..... bravo.
Winston
I wish it was Winston but no."
Oh...... Bugger.
Is it OK that my face did this
Winston |
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List of privatised utilities:
Gas - absolute mess
Electricity- absolute mess
Water - absolute mess
Trains- absolute mess
Royal Mail - absolute mess
Everything that was ever sold of into the private sector has been milked for all its worth.
Now there are idiots here suggesting privatising the nhs is a good idea.
It’s like turkeys voting for Christmas.
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I think my dad went to Specsavers to get his done
If that's an intentional funny..... bravo.
Winston
I wish it was Winston but no.
My mum also went to Specsavers for ear syringing.
Specsavers seem to have more staff than the NHS
And they greet you with a smile "
Not in Walsall they don’t. I won’t use spec savers as they are diabolical here. |
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