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over a year ago
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This is so sad. Parents should be prosecuted for allowing the kid access to a firearm. But this is coming from a country that encourages teens and pre-teens to undertake life changing gender surgery before they are old/mature enough to drink or drive. Land of the free  |
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"I don't consider shooting animals legitimate "
Nor do I, hunting isn’t really what I consider “sport”, and with the sport reference I refer to events like the Olympics with clay pigeon, target etc. |
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It's awful. No doubt this will bring out all the experts on another Country's choices on guns(albeit I don't agree with them).
503 people have been killed in protests against a brutal regime in Iran an 2 males hanged after a dubious trial. Worthy of discussing too. |
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" It's awful. No doubt this will bring out all the experts on another Country's choices on guns(albeit I don't agree with them).
503 people have been killed in protests against a brutal regime in Iran an 2 males hanged after a dubious trial. Worthy of discussing too."
That's a discussion for another thread, what are you an MP deflecting the original post  |
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" It's awful. No doubt this will bring out all the experts on another Country's choices on guns(albeit I don't agree with them).
503 people have been killed in protests against a brutal regime in Iran an 2 males hanged after a dubious trial. Worthy of discussing too.
That's a discussion for another thread, what are you an MP deflecting the original post "
No I'm highlighting that it's a rather tiresome rhetoric to see the USA constantly criticised by people who probably know nothing about it, yet avoid commenting on other countries as it won't necessarily win populist support.
I could of course avoid saying anything to the contrary, to avoid forum lynch mobs but as they say; if you're going with the majority, maybe you should check yourself..... |
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" It's awful. No doubt this will bring out all the experts on another Country's choices on guns(albeit I don't agree with them).
503 people have been killed in protests against a brutal regime in Iran an 2 males hanged after a dubious trial. Worthy of discussing too.
That's a discussion for another thread, what are you an MP deflecting the original post
No I'm highlighting that it's a rather tiresome rhetoric to see the USA constantly criticised by people who probably know nothing about it, yet avoid commenting on other countries as it won't necessarily win populist support.
I could of course avoid saying anything to the contrary, to avoid forum lynch mobs but as they say; if you're going with the majority, maybe you should check yourself....."
You don’t need to know anything about it to think that a 6 year old having access to a gun is ridiculous. |
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" It's awful. No doubt this will bring out all the experts on another Country's choices on guns(albeit I don't agree with them).
503 people have been killed in protests against a brutal regime in Iran an 2 males hanged after a dubious trial. Worthy of discussing too.
That's a discussion for another thread, what are you an MP deflecting the original post
No I'm highlighting that it's a rather tiresome rhetoric to see the USA constantly criticised by people who probably know nothing about it, yet avoid commenting on other countries as it won't necessarily win populist support.
I could of course avoid saying anything to the contrary, to avoid forum lynch mobs but as they say; if you're going with the majority, maybe you should check yourself.....
You don’t need to know anything about it to think that a 6 year old having access to a gun is ridiculous. "
You've completely missed the point. |
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" It's awful. No doubt this will bring out all the experts on another Country's choices on guns(albeit I don't agree with them).
503 people have been killed in protests against a brutal regime in Iran an 2 males hanged after a dubious trial. Worthy of discussing too.
That's a discussion for another thread, what are you an MP deflecting the original post
No I'm highlighting that it's a rather tiresome rhetoric to see the USA constantly criticised by people who probably know nothing about it, yet avoid commenting on other countries as it won't necessarily win populist support.
I could of course avoid saying anything to the contrary, to avoid forum lynch mobs but as they say; if you're going with the majority, maybe you should check yourself.....
You don’t need to know anything about it to think that a 6 year old having access to a gun is ridiculous.
You've completely missed the point."
Whataboutism was the only point you made. |
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"In a nutshell “America”.
Will the parents be prosecuted? Unlikely. Even though I advocate for safe gun usage, I still can’t wrap my head around why they need some of the weapons they have.  "
How does a 6 year old get hands on a loaded gun and have the skills to shoot it? I wonder what path that kids life is heading down.
Stop writing on the walls Jonny... Bang bang.
And how scary to be a teacher in that environment? |
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" It's awful. No doubt this will bring out all the experts on another Country's choices on guns(albeit I don't agree with them).
503 people have been killed in protests against a brutal regime in Iran an 2 males hanged after a dubious trial. Worthy of discussing too."
That is very true. The prejudices we have of what we deem front page and why. |
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Did she kill the teacher? It takes some strength to pull the trigger on a gun but not only that to aim and hit something is quite difficult too, she must have had some tuition i would have thought.  |
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"Did she kill the teacher? It takes some strength to pull the trigger on a gun but not only that to aim and hit something is quite difficult too, she must have had some tuition i would have thought. "
The teacher was shot in the chest. She was initially in a life threatening condition but has now stabilised |
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"Did she kill the teacher? It takes some strength to pull the trigger on a gun but not only that to aim and hit something is quite difficult too, she must have had some tuition i would have thought.
The teacher was shot in the chest. She was initially in a life threatening condition but has now stabilised"
Oh well thats something the teacher is alive at least, i mean a six year old angry enough to use a gun just bemuses me, it is too late for America guns are everywhere you can buy a gun in Walmart |
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"Did she kill the teacher? It takes some strength to pull the trigger on a gun but not only that to aim and hit something is quite difficult too, she must have had some tuition i would have thought.
The teacher was shot in the chest. She was initially in a life threatening condition but has now stabilisedOh well thats something the teacher is alive at least, i mean a six year old angry enough to use a gun just bemuses me, it is too late for America guns are everywhere you can buy a gun in Walmart "
Were they angry? |
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"Did she kill the teacher? It takes some strength to pull the trigger on a gun but not only that to aim and hit something is quite difficult too, she must have had some tuition i would have thought.
The teacher was shot in the chest. She was initially in a life threatening condition but has now stabilisedOh well thats something the teacher is alive at least, i mean a six year old angry enough to use a gun just bemuses me, it is too late for America guns are everywhere you can buy a gun in Walmart
Were they angry? "
One would imagine so..... I don't know i wasn't there but how else would you premeditate taking a gun that you shouldn't have access to into school |
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"They could be role playing something they have seen on TV ?"
True i watched a film last night morgan Freeman great actor with a distinctive voice he shot his female partner who was trying to kill an 8 year old child in front of the 8 year old child, he was a Cop or police officer to us |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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They would be going of with every pupil. Everybody has something metal on them.
So unless you had airport type security, where they body searched everyone that triggered the alarm, it wouldn't be anymore of a guarantee. |
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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago
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Its the parents fault they should be charged. Its so easy to secure your guns. They purchased one with taking into consideration other factors. Spend 500 USD on a pistol yet not safely securing it. They have biometric safes that secures them. They not that expensive. |
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"Its the parents fault they should be charged. Its so easy to secure your guns. They purchased one with taking into consideration other factors. Spend 500 USD on a pistol yet not safely securing it. They have biometric safes that secures them. They not that expensive. "
can you get one in Walmart?
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By (user no longer on site)
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"Its the parents fault they should be charged. Its so easy to secure your guns. They purchased one with taking into consideration other factors. Spend 500 USD on a pistol yet not safely securing it. They have biometric safes that secures them. They not that expensive. can you get one in Walmart? "
yes and Amazon  |
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Our handguns are secured by the bedside in safes.mine on my side his on his side. The longuns are stored in one in the closet. You can't access them without your fingerprints. |
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"Our handguns are secured by the bedside in safes.mine on my side his on his side. The longuns are stored in one in the closet. You can't access them without your fingerprints. "
why though do you keep guns?
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"Did she kill the teacher? It takes some strength to pull the trigger on a gun but not only that to aim and hit something is quite difficult too, she must have had some tuition i would have thought.
The teacher was shot in the chest. She was initially in a life threatening condition but has now stabilisedOh well thats something the teacher is alive at least, i mean a six year old angry enough to use a gun just bemuses me, it is too late for America guns are everywhere you can buy a gun in Walmart
Were they angry? One would imagine so..... I don't know i wasn't there but how else would you premeditate taking a gun that you shouldn't have access to into school "
Can you imagine the morning before school? Got your pencil case? Water bottle? Plimsolls? Colt45 and ammo? |
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"Our handguns are secured by the bedside in safes.mine on my side his on his side. The longuns are stored in one in the closet. You can't access them without your fingerprints. why though do you keep guns? "
self protection and I enjoy shooting and hunting.
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"Our handguns are secured by the bedside in safes.mine on my side his on his side. The longuns are stored in one in the closet. You can't access them without your fingerprints. why though do you keep guns? self protection and I enjoy shooting and hunting."
ok i see enjoyment in that but no safety youre in the woods hunting and somebody else is in the woods hunting how do you know where they are? |
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"Did she kill the teacher? It takes some strength to pull the trigger on a gun but not only that to aim and hit something is quite difficult too, she must have had some tuition i would have thought.
The teacher was shot in the chest. She was initially in a life threatening condition but has now stabilisedOh well thats something the teacher is alive at least, i mean a six year old angry enough to use a gun just bemuses me, it is too late for America guns are everywhere you can buy a gun in Walmart
Were they angry? One would imagine so..... I don't know i wasn't there but how else would you premeditate taking a gun that you shouldn't have access to into school
Can you imagine the morning before school? Got your pencil case? Water bottle? Plimsolls? Colt45 and ammo? "
guess the gun was loaded before she left or where she found it |
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"Our handguns are secured by the bedside in safes.mine on my side his on his side. The longuns are stored in one in the closet. You can't access them without your fingerprints. why though do you keep guns? self protection and I enjoy shooting and hunting."
Target shooting I can understand but I cannot grasp why anyone would enjoy killing a living creature.
In my opinion, guns do not belong anywhere other than secure gun clubs and the military.
Nita |
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"Our handguns are secured by the bedside in safes.mine on my side his on his side. The longuns are stored in one in the closet. You can't access them without your fingerprints. why though do you keep guns? self protection and I enjoy shooting and hunting.ok i see enjoyment in that but no safety youre in the woods hunting and somebody else is in the woods hunting how do you know where they are? "
the florescent orange they are required to wear. You can see that from miles away. |
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"Our handguns are secured by the bedside in safes.mine on my side his on his side. The longuns are stored in one in the closet. You can't access them without your fingerprints. why though do you keep guns? self protection and I enjoy shooting and hunting.
Target shooting I can understand but I cannot grasp why anyone would enjoy killing a living creature.
In my opinion, guns do not belong anywhere other than secure gun clubs and the military.
Nita"
I totally agree with this |
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"Our handguns are secured by the bedside in safes.mine on my side his on his side. The longuns are stored in one in the closet. You can't access them without yow ur fingerprints. why though do you keep guns? self protection and I enjoy shooting and hunting."
I don't know you and you seem lovely and sensible but self protection from what exactly?  |
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"Our handguns are secured by the bedside in safes.mine on my side his on his side. The longuns are stored in one in the closet. You can't access them without your fingerprints. why though do you keep guns? self protection and I enjoy shooting and hunting.ok i see enjoyment in that but no safety youre in the woods hunting and somebody else is in the woods hunting how do you know where they are? the florescent orange they are required to wear. You can see that from miles away."
lol so they have a rule that you wear fluorescent orange but say somebody doesn't wear it or its hot and he takes it off? |
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"Our handguns are secured by the bedside in safes.mine on my side his on his side. The longuns are stored in one in the closet. You can't access them without your fingerprints. why though do you keep guns? self protection and I enjoy shooting and hunting.
Target shooting I can understand but I cannot grasp why anyone would enjoy killing a living creature.
In my opinion, guns do not belong anywhere other than secure gun clubs and the military.
Nita
I totally agree with this "
You do not have bears coyotes rattlesnakes etc.. |
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"Our handguns are secured by the bedside in safes.mine on my side his on his side. The longuns are stored in one in the closet. You can't access them without your fingerprints. why though do you keep guns? self protection and I enjoy shooting and hunting.
Target shooting I can understand but I cannot grasp why anyone would enjoy killing a living creature.
In my opinion, guns do not belong anywhere other than secure gun clubs and the military.
Nita"
Agreed. My partner is a firearms officer in the Police, he had to have specialist training which needs updating regularly.....I find it abhorrent that people can freely access guns |
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It's not our place to say what America can or can't do,we are not living there.
However the system is clearly faulty if a 6 year old can get access to a loaded guy and premeditated, take it to school and shoot someone.
I mean most six year olds are just learning to ride bikes and read spot goes for a walk.
It's frankly terrifying. |
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"It's not our place to say what America can or can't do,we are not living there.
However the system is clearly faulty if a 6 year old can get access to a loaded guy and premeditated, take it to school and shoot someone.
I mean most six year olds are just learning to ride bikes and read spot goes for a walk.
It's frankly terrifying."
exactly and laughing and being innocent sheeesh whats happening to this world |
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"Our handguns are secured by the bedside in safes.mine on my side his on his side. The longuns are stored in one in the closet. You can't access them without your fingerprints. why though do you keep guns? self protection and I enjoy shooting and hunting.
Target shooting I can understand but I cannot grasp why anyone would enjoy killing a living creature.
In my opinion, guns do not belong anywhere other than secure gun clubs and the military.
Nita
I totally agree with this You do not have bears coyotes rattlesnakes etc.."
Much of Europe does. They still don't feel the need to have guns at home.
Nita |
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"Our handguns are secured by the bedside in safes.mine on my side his on his side. The longuns are stored in one in the closet. You can't access them without your fingerprints. why though do you keep guns? self protection and I enjoy shooting and hunting.
Target shooting I can understand but I cannot grasp why anyone would enjoy killing a living creature.
In my opinion, guns do not belong anywhere other than secure gun clubs and the military.
Nita
I totally agree with this You do not have bears coyotes rattlesnakes etc..
Much of Europe does. They still don't feel the need to have guns at home.
Nita"
Well Switzerland has one of the highest gun ownership per capita in the world,yet I genuinely can't think of a news story regards gun related crime's there.
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"Our handguns are secured by the bedside in safes.mine on my side his on his side. The longuns are stored in one in the closet. You can't access them without your fingerprints. why though do you keep guns? self protection and I enjoy shooting and hunting.
Target shooting I can understand but I cannot grasp why anyone would enjoy killing a living creature.
In my opinion, guns do not belong anywhere other than secure gun clubs and the military.
Nita
Agreed. My partner is a firearms officer in the Police, he had to have specialist training which needs updating regularly.....I find it abhorrent that people can freely access guns"
Because its a constitutional right to bear arms in most states in the US.
You would be pissing in the wind to think you would ever change it. |
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"Our handguns are secured by the bedside in safes.mine on my side his on his side. The longuns are stored in one in the closet. You can't access them without your fingerprints. why though do you keep guns? self protection and I enjoy shooting and hunting.
Target shooting I can understand but I cannot grasp why anyone would enjoy killing a living creature.
In my opinion, guns do not belong anywhere other than secure gun clubs and the military.
Nita
Agreed. My partner is a firearms officer in the Police, he had to have specialist training which needs updating regularly.....I find it abhorrent that people can freely access guns
Because its a constitutional right to bear arms in most states in the US.
You would be pissing in the wind to think you would ever change it. "
lol you are correct. |
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"You do not have bears coyotes rattlesnakes etc.."
Worldwide there are an average of 44 bear attacks on people, most occur when people are in the woods (where the bears live).
Most snake bites happen when people accidentally step on a snake in the undergrowth. If you encounter a snake, just walk away, it'll probably not chase you, but if it does... they don't run very fast.
Coyotes also rarely attack. The average number of coyote attacks in the US each year is 10. Around half of those occur in California. Again, they mostly occur when people go into the coyotes' habitat.
The likelihood of these things happening in everyday life are less than one in 60 million. Does that really justify more guns than people in the US?
In the US, an average of 320 people are shot, 111 of them fatally, EVERY DAY. So... there are more fatal shootings every single day in The USA than there are Bear attacks, Coyote Attacks or Fatal Snake bites in a year.
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"Our handguns are secured by the bedside in safes.mine on my side his on his side. The longuns are stored in one in the closet. You can't access them without your fingerprints. why though do you keep guns? self protection and I enjoy shooting and hunting.
Target shooting I can understand but I cannot grasp why anyone would enjoy killing a living creature.
In my opinion, guns do not belong anywhere other than secure gun clubs and the military.
Nita
Agreed. My partner is a firearms officer in the Police, he had to have specialist training which needs updating regularly.....I find it abhorrent that people can freely access guns
Because its a constitutional right to bear arms in most states in the US.
You would be pissing in the wind to think you would ever change it. lol you are correct."
It's not funny though... is it?
Nita |
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By *rispyDuckMan
over a year ago
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"Just saw this news story. A 6 year old school child had a disagreement with a teacher and shot her... Whaaaaat!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64200873
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It's crazy to think a 6yr old knows how to shot a gun. I'm a grown man & I've never even held 1 |
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"Our handguns are secured by the bedside in safes.mine on my side his on his side. The longuns are stored in one in the closet. You can't access them without your fingerprints. why though do you keep guns? self protection and I enjoy shooting and hunting.
Target shooting I can understand but I cannot grasp why anyone would enjoy killing a living creature.
In my opinion, guns do not belong anywhere other than secure gun clubs and the military.
Nita
Agreed. My partner is a firearms officer in the Police, he had to have specialist training which needs updating regularly.....I find it abhorrent that people can freely access guns
Because its a constitutional right to bear arms in most states in the US.
You would be pissing in the wind to think you would ever change it. "
I said I found it abhorrent, never said I wanted to change it. |
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"Our handguns are secured by the bedside in safes.mine on my side his on his side. The longuns are stored in one in the closet. You can't access them without your fingerprints. why though do you keep guns? self protection and I enjoy shooting and hunting.
Target shooting I can understand but I cannot grasp why anyone would enjoy killing a living creature.
In my opinion, guns do not belong anywhere other than secure gun clubs and the military.
Nita
Agreed. My partner is a firearms officer in the Police, he had to have specialist training which needs updating regularly.....I find it abhorrent that people can freely access guns
Because its a constitutional right to bear arms in most states in the US.
You would be pissing in the wind to think you would ever change it. lol you are correct.
It's not funny though... is it?
Nita"
but he correct. Even if they abolished the right on a federal level most stated have the same clause written to each states constitution. |
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By (user no longer on site)
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tHe RiGhT tO bEaR aRmS
Let’s hide behind a 250 year old constitution, that was written about bayonets anyway, not handguns.
You can’t tell us not to shoot each other, cause freedom that’s why. |
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"Our handguns are secured by the bedside in safes.mine on my side his on his side. The longuns are stored in one in the closet. You can't access them without your fingerprints. why though do you keep guns? self protection and I enjoy shooting and hunting.
Target shooting I can understand but I cannot grasp why anyone would enjoy killing a living creature.
In my opinion, guns do not belong anywhere other than secure gun clubs and the military.
Nita
Agreed. My partner is a firearms officer in the Police, he had to have specialist training which needs updating regularly.....I find it abhorrent that people can freely access guns
Because its a constitutional right to bear arms in most states in the US.
You would be pissing in the wind to think you would ever change it. "
To be fair, the ARMS available when the constitution was written in 1787 were single shot and barrel loaded, they were capable of firing 2-3 shots per minute and were only accurate for 30-50 meters.
Any arguments about the 2nd ammendment protecting against the introduction of gun restriction are wrong. There are many restrictions already in place as to what type of firearms are permitted. They could easily implement a ban on all firearms whilst still allowing citizens to "bear arms" such as a club, a slingshot, a tazer, pepper spray, or a pair of nunchucks.
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"Our handguns are secured by the bedside in safes.mine on my side his on his side. The longuns are stored in one in the closet. You can't access them without your fingerprints. why though do you keep guns? self protection and I enjoy shooting and hunting.
Target shooting I can understand but I cannot grasp why anyone would enjoy killing a living creature.
In my opinion, guns do not belong anywhere other than secure gun clubs and the military.
Nita
Agreed. My partner is a firearms officer in the Police, he had to have specialist training which needs updating regularly.....I find it abhorrent that people can freely access guns
Because its a constitutional right to bear arms in most states in the US.
You would be pissing in the wind to think you would ever change it.
To be fair, the ARMS available when the constitution was written in 1787 were single shot and barrel loaded, they were capable of firing 2-3 shots per minute and were only accurate for 30-50 meters.
Any arguments about the 2nd ammendment protecting against the introduction of gun restriction are wrong. There are many restrictions already in place as to what type of firearms are permitted. They could easily implement a ban on all firearms whilst still allowing citizens to "bear arms" such as a club, a slingshot, a tazer, pepper spray, or a pair of nunchucks.
Cal"
Are you going try and tell millions of Americans that they should ban firearms?
It won't work I'm afraid.
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"Our handguns are secured by the bedside in safes.mine on my side his on his side. The longuns are stored in one in the closet. You can't access them without your fingerprints. why though do you keep guns? self protection and I enjoy shooting and hunting.
Target shooting I can understand but I cannot grasp why anyone would enjoy killing a living creature.
In my opinion, guns do not belong anywhere other than secure gun clubs and the military.
Nita
Agreed. My partner is a firearms officer in the Police, he had to have specialist training which needs updating regularly.....I find it abhorrent that people can freely access guns
Because its a constitutional right to bear arms in most states in the US.
You would be pissing in the wind to think you would ever change it.
To be fair, the ARMS available when the constitution was written in 1787 were single shot and barrel loaded, they were capable of firing 2-3 shots per minute and were only accurate for 30-50 meters.
Any arguments about the 2nd ammendment protecting against the introduction of gun restriction are wrong. There are many restrictions already in place as to what type of firearms are permitted. They could easily implement a ban on all firearms whilst still allowing citizens to "bear arms" such as a club, a slingshot, a tazer, pepper spray, or a pair of nunchucks.
Cal"
Arms evolved the musket back then was the AR of the time. How do you suggest taking them away from a populace that considers them a right? Both on a state and federal level. Raid each individual home? That would be insane because you have to apply a warrant to each individual household. Without that its illegal search and seizure. That will go over so well. |
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"Our handguns are secured by the bedside in safes.mine on my side his on his side. The longuns are stored in one in the closet. You can't access them without your fingerprints. why though do you keep guns? self protection and I enjoy shooting and hunting.
Target shooting I can understand but I cannot grasp why anyone would enjoy killing a living creature.
In my opinion, guns do not belong anywhere other than secure gun clubs and the military.
Nita
Agreed. My partner is a firearms officer in the Police, he had to have specialist training which needs updating regularly.....I find it abhorrent that people can freely access guns
Because its a constitutional right to bear arms in most states in the US.
You would be pissing in the wind to think you would ever change it.
To be fair, the ARMS available when the constitution was written in 1787 were single shot and barrel loaded, they were capable of firing 2-3 shots per minute and were only accurate for 30-50 meters.
Any arguments about the 2nd ammendment protecting against the introduction of gun restriction are wrong. There are many restrictions already in place as to what type of firearms are permitted. They could easily implement a ban on all firearms whilst still allowing citizens to "bear arms" such as a club, a slingshot, a tazer, pepper spray, or a pair of nunchucks.
Cal Arms evolved the musket back then was the AR of the time. How do you suggest taking them away from a populace that considers them a right? Both on a state and federal level. Raid each individual home? That would be insane because you have to apply a warrant to each individual household. Without that its illegal search and seizure. That will go over so well."
That would be 2nd amendment and the 4th rights taken away. |
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"Our handguns are secured by the bedside in safes.mine on my side his on his side. The longuns are stored in one in the closet. You can't access them without your fingerprints. why though do you keep guns? self protection and I enjoy shooting and hunting.
Target shooting I can understand but I cannot grasp why anyone would enjoy killing a living creature.
In my opinion, guns do not belong anywhere other than secure gun clubs and the military.
Nita"
That's a different debate. Where they definitely don't belong is loaded, in a school, in the hands of a 6 year old. |
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"Just saw this news story. A 6 year old school child had a disagreement with a teacher and shot her... Whaaaaat!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64200873
It's crazy to think a 6yr old knows how to shot a gun. I'm a grown man & I've never even held 1 "
Not just that...but unlike new York cops who have an 11 percent hit rate when they fire.... The 6 year old hit the target first time |
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"So many Americans love to stroke their "guns" and love hiding behind their 2nd Amendment which refers to a well trained militia, you know those well trained children!"
You mean like the child militia in Africa where children are ki#napp#d and forced to fight and kill their own family if required?
Let's not confuse the two.
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"Our handguns are secured by the bedside in safes.mine on my side his on his side. The longuns are stored in one in the closet. You can't access them without your fingerprints. why though do you keep guns? self protection and I enjoy shooting and hunting.
Target shooting I can understand but I cannot grasp why anyone would enjoy killing a living creature.
In my opinion, guns do not belong anywhere other than secure gun clubs and the military.
Nita
Agreed. My partner is a firearms officer in the Police, he had to have specialist training which needs updating regularly.....I find it abhorrent that people can freely access guns
Because its a constitutional right to bear arms in most states in the US.
You would be pissing in the wind to think you would ever change it.
To be fair, the ARMS available when the constitution was written in 1787 were single shot and barrel loaded, they were capable of firing 2-3 shots per minute and were only accurate for 30-50 meters.
Any arguments about the 2nd ammendment protecting against the introduction of gun restriction are wrong. There are many restrictions already in place as to what type of firearms are permitted. They could easily implement a ban on all firearms whilst still allowing citizens to "bear arms" such as a club, a slingshot, a tazer, pepper spray, or a pair of nunchucks.
Cal Arms evolved the musket back then was the AR of the time. How do you suggest taking them away from a populace that considers them a right? Both on a state and federal level. Raid each individual home? That would be insane because you have to apply a warrant to each individual household. Without that its illegal search and seizure. That will go over so well."
According to polls in the states, nearly three quarters of Americans believe there is an issue with gun crime and tighter gun controls are required.
Obviously there would need to be a series of steps towards banning them. Banning the sale of hand guns would be a start, working towards a total ban on hand guns via buy back schemes.
Setting a maximum number of bullets a weapon is able to hold, and a maximum rate of fire would help reduce mass shootings.
Controlling the number of firearms any household can own would also help, as currently the average is 4 per (gun owning) houshold. Currently around a third of Americans own a gun, but there are more (registered) guns than there are people.
Ultimately, if there's a will there's a way.
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I've heard so many discussions on personal firearms. Still cant get my head around people who want them completely banned. Here in the UK we are, sort of, lucky that not many shootings occur. I remember here back when uk banned all weapons, there was a senior police official who publicly stated that its not the right thing to do as it drives it all underground and very difficult to trace back. I knew a couple living in London a few years after the ban and they left the country lol. The wife worked in a bank and they kept getting armed robbers come in. She moved banks a few times but the last one was very dramatic so the left the country. There are some places that having a weapon for self defence is a very legitimate thing. I know when I lived in Africa there were many many times that having a weapon saved my own and others lives. But I know there that if you didn't follow all the legal rules like secure gun safes you lost your license full stop. You had to have police clearance and you had to have a doctors certificate to get a licensee. Renewed every year. In America they have laws and rules but no one actually follows them |
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"I've heard so many discussions on personal firearms. Still cant get my head around people who want them completely banned. Here in the UK we are, sort of, lucky that not many shootings occur. I remember here back when uk banned all weapons, there was a senior police official who publicly stated that its not the right thing to do as it drives it all underground and very difficult to trace back. I knew a couple living in London a few years after the ban and they left the country lol. The wife worked in a bank and they kept getting armed robbers come in. She moved banks a few times but the last one was very dramatic so the left the country. There are some places that having a weapon for self defence is a very legitimate thing. I know when I lived in Africa there were many many times that having a weapon saved my own and others lives. But I know there that if you didn't follow all the legal rules like secure gun safes you lost your license full stop. You had to have police clearance and you had to have a doctors certificate to get a licensee. Renewed every year. In America they have laws and rules but no one actually follows them "
Do you think that we would have gun problems in this country if they weren’t banned? |
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"I've heard so many discussions on personal firearms. Still cant get my head around people who want them completely banned. Here in the UK we are, sort of, lucky that not many shootings occur. I remember here back when uk banned all weapons, there was a senior police official who publicly stated that its not the right thing to do as it drives it all underground and very difficult to trace back. I knew a couple living in London a few years after the ban and they left the country lol. The wife worked in a bank and they kept getting armed robbers come in. She moved banks a few times but the last one was very dramatic so the left the country. There are some places that having a weapon for self defence is a very legitimate thing. I know when I lived in Africa there were many many times that having a weapon saved my own and others lives. But I know there that if you didn't follow all the legal rules like secure gun safes you lost your license full stop. You had to have police clearance and you had to have a doctors certificate to get a licensee. Renewed every year. In America they have laws and rules but no one actually follows them "
On the other hand, I find it hard to understand why anyone thinks there's an justification to own guns.
Banning hand guns in the UK took 99.9% of guns off the street. Yes there were a small number that "went underground" but criminals generally don't stick to the rule regardless. In the large majority of cases in the US, shootings are committed with legally owned weapons, including 88% of mass all their shootings. This seems to suggest that legal guns are the biggest problem.
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"Our handguns are secured by the bedside in safes.mine on my side his on his side. The longuns are stored in one in the closet. You can't access them without your fingerprints. why though do you keep guns? self protection and I enjoy shooting and hunting.
Target shooting I can understand but I cannot grasp why anyone would enjoy killing a living creature.
In my opinion, guns do not belong anywhere other than secure gun clubs and the military.
Nita
Agreed. My partner is a firearms officer in the Police, he had to have specialist training which needs updating regularly.....I find it abhorrent that people can freely access guns
Because its a constitutional right to bear arms in most states in the US.
You would be pissing in the wind to think you would ever change it.
To be fair, the ARMS available when the constitution was written in 1787 were single shot and barrel loaded, they were capable of firing 2-3 shots per minute and were only accurate for 30-50 meters.
Any arguments about the 2nd ammendment protecting against the introduction of gun restriction are wrong. There are many restrictions already in place as to what type of firearms are permitted. They could easily implement a ban on all firearms whilst still allowing citizens to "bear arms" such as a club, a slingshot, a tazer, pepper spray, or a pair of nunchucks.
Cal Arms evolved the musket back then was the AR of the time. How do you suggest taking them away from a populace that considers them a right? Both on a state and federal level. Raid each individual home? That would be insane because you have to apply a warrant to each individual household. Without that its illegal search and seizure. That will go over so well.
According to polls in the states, nearly three quarters of Americans believe there is an issue with gun crime and tighter gun controls are required.
Obviously there would need to be a series of steps towards banning them. Banning the sale of hand guns would be a start, working towards a total ban on hand guns via buy back schemes.
Setting a maximum number of bullets a weapon is able to hold, and a maximum rate of fire would help reduce mass shootings.
Controlling the number of firearms any household can own would also help, as currently the average is 4 per (gun owning) houshold. Currently around a third of Americans own a gun, but there are more (registered) guns than there are people.
Ultimately, if there's a will there's a way.
Cal"
and there is just as many unregistered pre data base. I have family hierloom ones. Winchesters. Again in order to inact a total ban both local state and federal have to agree 2 strip away rights and amend the constitutions.That would be 2 rights gone. See how complicated that would be. Some states might agree to those rights being taken away some will not. Can't help it you can not see the complexity of it. The only way is to have the military go door to door and even then there is issues because they swore oaths to the constitution. Not the politicians. |
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"Our handguns are secured by the bedside in safes.mine on my side his on his side. The longuns are stored in one in the closet. You can't access them without your fingerprints. why though do you keep guns? self protection and I enjoy shooting and hunting.
Target shooting I can understand but I cannot grasp why anyone would enjoy killing a living creature.
In my opinion, guns do not belong anywhere other than secure gun clubs and the military.
Nita
Agreed. My partner is a firearms officer in the Police, he had to have specialist training which needs updating regularly.....I find it abhorrent that people can freely access guns
Because its a constitutional right to bear arms in most states in the US.
You would be pissing in the wind to think you would ever change it.
To be fair, the ARMS available when the constitution was written in 1787 were single shot and barrel loaded, they were capable of firing 2-3 shots per minute and were only accurate for 30-50 meters.
Any arguments about the 2nd ammendment protecting against the introduction of gun restriction are wrong. There are many restrictions already in place as to what type of firearms are permitted. They could easily implement a ban on all firearms whilst still allowing citizens to "bear arms" such as a club, a slingshot, a tazer, pepper spray, or a pair of nunchucks.
Cal Arms evolved the musket back then was the AR of the time. How do you suggest taking them away from a populace that considers them a right? Both on a state and federal level. Raid each individual home? That would be insane because you have to apply a warrant to each individual household. Without that its illegal search and seizure. That will go over so well.
According to polls in the states, nearly three quarters of Americans believe there is an issue with gun crime and tighter gun controls are required.
Obviously there would need to be a series of steps towards banning them. Banning the sale of hand guns would be a start, working towards a total ban on hand guns via buy back schemes.
Setting a maximum number of bullets a weapon is able to hold, and a maximum rate of fire would help reduce mass shootings.
Controlling the number of firearms any household can own would also help, as currently the average is 4 per (gun owning) houshold. Currently around a third of Americans own a gun, but there are more (registered) guns than there are people.
Ultimately, if there's a will there's a way.
Cal and there is just as many unregistered pre data base. I have family hierloom ones. Winchesters. Again in order to inact a total ban both local state and federal have to agree 2 strip away rights and amend the constitutions.That would be 2 rights gone. See how complicated that would be. Some states might agree to those rights being taken away some will not. Can't help it you can not see the complexity of it. The only way is to have the military go door to door and even then there is issues because they swore oaths to the constitution. Not the politicians."
and then there is the criminal element. I totally see them just saying here you are take them. |
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